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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Easter Seals Show 1979 on: October 15, 2018, 06:36:50 PM
I remember Dennis being really disruptive on stage, as he seemed smashed. He knocked over a whole tray of beer as I recall, and he was the only one laughing about it. I was near the front of the stage and the band and especially the Lovester, were not happy.

"You're out of the band, Buckwheat!"
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love is in the white house on: October 14, 2018, 06:50:29 AM
Also, Trump gave Sam the pen he used to sign the bill.

Wow. Did he become an honourary White Panther as a result of this gesture?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . Part Two (suspended) on: October 08, 2018, 05:48:50 PM
Forgive me if I get any of this wrong because I actually don't have access to this exchange at the moment.

But I have been chatting with Mr. Desper and he makes the very good point that because of the nature of his project (namely, using Beach Boys tracks as courtesy of BRI and Capitol) that he worries that any controversy about it could have it shut down. I think that's the main reason why he has taken the videos down. In that respect, no matter where any of us stand on the topic, I believe that it be best for all of us if we just put this particular controversy and this element of the conversation to rest and - this is definitely my own point - that includes the pointing of fingers about who was right and who was wrong in this discussion. Again, I think that the best thing for all parties is to let it go. Please forgive the Disney reference as I have young daughter.  Smiley
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . Part Two (suspended) on: October 08, 2018, 06:46:02 AM
There ... are ... four ... lights!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . Part Two (suspended) on: October 07, 2018, 10:05:37 AM
But why did you have to repeat it over and over and over again. We (including Mr Desper) saw it the first time.
Now at least for a while we canít access this. Maybe the SOS segment is being taken out and will be made available again.
But then there will probably be nitpicking in another segment.  Angry

Donít understand Beach Boys fans.

Is this an academic piece- being peer reviewed or something?

I am an instructor in a university. There is a working premise in all of my classrooms that if any student disagrees with anything that I am saying that they should challenge what I am saying. If I have sufficient evidence to support my case, I will give it. If I don't, I will always say something along the lines of, "I could be very well be wrong. I will look into it and get back to you and I encourage you to look into it as well, and we'll discuss it next class."

If I said something along the lines of, "I am an instructor and you are a student. I have studied these things far longer than you have," I would entirely expect and hope that my students would push back against that, just as I hope they would do in any other classroom on campus as this is how knowledge is created and this is how it expands and moves forward.

I'm reminded of Mark Lewisohn's remarks when he uncovered the fact that The Beatles had already been signed before their June 6th 1962 appearance in the studio and that it was not, contrary to the historical record, an audition and that, in fact, George Martin was largely assigned to the Beatles as a punishment for having an affair with his secretary who became his wife, Judy, for nearly 60 years. When Lewisohn showed Martin information many years ago that Martin had signed contracts before June 6th, he was confounded. As far as he recalled, The Beatles were signed after passing the June 6th audition. Yet here was documentary evidence right there that went against received history. So Lewisohn pursued it even further and discovered the truth as I mentioned above. As he pointed out at a Q&A, "I may have surrendered a quality relationship that I always enjoyed with George and Judy. But again, I can put my hand on my heart that I told [the story] without any agenda."
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Part Two on: October 06, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Sixthed. (ok these aren't words anymore).

Ah but they are: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sixthed

And seventhed.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Brianís Home Studio In 1969 on: September 30, 2018, 10:40:41 AM
As mentioned in my book they were filmed during sessions for time to get alone in October 1968

All of it? I'm only asking because I thought the music for that had already been tracked by October 1968 and it seems they are, in some of the shots, tracking music as well. By the looks of it, the song is pretty upbeat - check out what Al is playing on guitar at 0:55 or the drums that Dennis is playing at 1:14. It looks like Dennis and Carl are doing two drum parts at 1:35.

It seems they were at least rehearsing another song there as well. But, again, there are multiple days that we are seeing here.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Brianís Home Studio In 1969 on: September 29, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
There are definitely two or may even three different days there - and who knows how much time elapsed between them. One shot we see Bruce with a moustache in a blue turtleneck, then another of Bruce with a moustache in what looks like a green short-sleeve turtleneck (which I didn't know existed), other shots show Bruce with longer hair and a cream coloured button up shirt.
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: New Politics Thread 2018 on: September 29, 2018, 05:35:31 AM
I made the mistake of commenting on a post a cousin of mine forwarded. It was an absolutely awful picture of supposedly Michelle Obama, with the caption, Aren't you glad she is no longer First Lady?

I had to comment. I said, why the hate for Ms Obama? Why the name calling? (There are those who love to refer to her as a man, or worse , as an animal.)
Got a response - don't you know that she's a Socialist and a Communist, and the two of them did all sorts of evil things ( they were named) etc.
I replied that they are not Communists . Didn't bother with the other things.
Answer came back that I was misguided. The lady's brother told her that the Obamas were both socialists and communists, they are the same thing. So it must be so.
Of course I don't consider them either socialists or communists.
It went more downhill from there . I got it all off my chest, waited 5 minutes, then deleted my original comment, which resulted in all comments being deleted.

Oh, my country. Don t know the difference between socialism and communism. And as the hit song from a while back proudly proclaimed, we don't know the difference between Iraq and Iran. Yikes.

If only they were socialists or communists!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys studio disasters and screwups? on: September 26, 2018, 09:41:12 AM
Given these stories of all the mixing occurring, it's remarkable (and very fortunate) that Brian didn't experience a serious or even fatal overdose during this period. Although he was clearly affected by all this drug taking, the man clearly has the constitution of an ox.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: September 23, 2018, 02:35:10 PM
Jack Nitzsche, "Lower California"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRchHnGSzew
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hell freezing over in Chattanooga on November 16?! on: September 21, 2018, 04:41:07 PM
I don't know for sure but I'm guessing Candice made a bit of a Blundo.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: what did Glen Campbell do on stage with the BB's? on: September 02, 2018, 10:56:04 AM
What the hell are Glen and Dennis suggesting in that picture?
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce on Friends on: August 29, 2018, 07:26:39 AM
Bruce has a point, in that the Friends material wasn't exactly the kind of stuff that your typical concert crowd in 1968 was into - Beatles, Hendrix, Stones, Van Morrison, etc.  Friends doesn't "rock".

I feel like this is a bit of a myth about the late 1960s. If you look at the Billboard Hot 100, the year finished with songs like Paul Mauriat's Love is Blue, Bobby Goldsboro's Honey, The Rascals' People Got to Be Free, and Herb Alpert's This Guy's in Love with You in the top 10. There seemed to be just as big of an audience for pop music as there was in, say, 1965 or 1966.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce on Friends on: August 28, 2018, 04:16:50 PM
I love Friends - one of my favourite albums by anyone.

That said, I think Bruce's rejoinder could be that while he himself couldn't produce anything "rocky," Brian could and chose not to.

I also think a full reading of the quote could suggest that by wimpy he means in some ways that they wimped out in terms of the production of the material and structure of the songs. Again, for me, regardless of what they did I think it turned out pretty great.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Sandbox thread for insignificant chit-chat on: August 25, 2018, 07:04:46 AM
2Chocolate Shake - in case the link/ post you'd written directed to me, I didn't deny, even mention that language doesn't change, stays the same. This chat began with single word "borsch". I stated merely that in Russian language, alternate spelling doesn't exist.

Borsch appears to be a modification of the Russian borshch: https://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/borshch/
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Sandbox thread for insignificant chit-chat on: August 24, 2018, 06:23:46 AM
Just of interest to anyone, here's a Wiki article on the transformation of the Russian language over the centuries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Russian_language

The mere fact that the article keeps making disclaimers about "modern spelling" suggests that the spelling of words has changed considerably with the progression of time.

The article also demonstrates how, like any language, Russian has transformed as a result of its ongoing experiences with other cultures.
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Sandbox thread for insignificant chit-chat on: August 23, 2018, 09:27:26 AM
Words transform when they are dispersed amongst different cultures and communities over time. This is just a fact of human language systems. Take names for example - if you look back on census records in my family tree, you'll see that my last name went through various transformations that mostly depended on how one person decided to spell it and pass it on. I probably have some very distant relatives in Europe who spell their last name different from my own. That's just part of how language works.

No culture or nation has any ownership over words. Period.
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The What Are You Reading? Thread on: August 22, 2018, 06:52:01 AM
The Book Thief is about a girl living in Munich during WWII, taken in by foster parents after her parents are taken away. She learns to read and steals books to read because she finds that sustaining while her world crumbles. I'll be teaching the Holocaust along with it, with an emphasis on
resilience, survivors, and rescuers; my students are girls who have experienced neglect and/or trauma. As far as Animal Farm is concerned, I'm going to focus on the conditions leading up to the Russian Revolution, the Revolution itself, and the aftermath under Stalin. Orwell wrote the novel as an allegory to all of this.  I'm especially excited about this, as my reading obsession for the past couple of years has been Russian history and the Imperial Family.

Sounds very interesting. We had The Book Thief here on our shelf for a while and my partner read it but I never had the time to read it.

Have you ever read the original introduction that Orwell wrote to Animal Farm? To me, that's one of his best pieces of writing where he critiques not so much Stalinism but rather the subservience of the British intelligentsia and the constraints it puts on beliefs that can be expressed. Appropriately, it was never published at the time.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: August 22, 2018, 06:49:28 AM
This is one of my favourite subjects so I hope you don't mind if I engage it a bit further.

Dostoyevsky was really the author who made me love serious literature when I first read Crime and Punishment when I was 16. Over the next ten years, I read as much of his as I could. Gogol, I also love. I still love Dostoyevsky but the more I read Tolstoy the more I prefer him as an author because, in my opinion, he's dealing with the same sorts of issues in a more thoughtful and nuanced way than Dostoyevsky. I think that Dostoyevsky's early problems with the law made him pretty skeptical about the kinds of radical ideas that Tolstoy would flirt with and then eventually openly embrace. I don't always agree with Tolstoy but I am almost always amazed at his ability to write about something that is thought provoking.
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: August 22, 2018, 06:24:20 AM
Yeah, it's all a matter of what appeals to you. One of my favourite American novels is The Catcher in the Rye but some people are really turned off by it because of the narrator.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: August 22, 2018, 06:13:31 AM
We were also encouraged to get going in reading Anna Karenina; guess we'll discuss that book when enough people get through it.

Oooh good luck! Tolstoy is probably my favourite author.
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The What Are You Reading? Thread on: August 17, 2018, 07:40:40 PM
Re-reading The Book Thief and Animal Farm. My job this fall will be to teach social studies units paralleling each novel, a cross-curricular adventure, as it were. I've done this before, but I taught both the novel and the social studies connections/background. I'm nervous about having to coordinate with another teacher. Teachers can be a bit territorial!

Sounds like an interesting idea. Haven't read The Book Thief but read Animal Farm nearly 20 years ago and remember enjoying it a lot. What is your plan for the social studies component?
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: August 16, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
To answer B.E. - what one considers to be inappropriate or excessive has no bearing, for me, on reasonable behaviour. At one point, it was widely considered inappropriate to engage in a homosexual act but, in my view, it was a reasonable act. So if people do think that, it certainly wouldn't convince me in any way that the action of "getting blitzed out beyond self-control" is unreasonable.

If your singular definition of reasonable behavior is any action that does not deprive (or potentially deprive) others of their freedom and self-ownership, then it's going to be met with some confusion.

There's an important component you're missing - reasonable behaviour is primarily when one has control over their own decisions.

This is far from my "singular definition" - this is one of the primary tenets of Western philosophy, borne out of the Age of Reason.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett Update: He's Due to Be Released on: August 16, 2018, 12:50:29 PM
I donít think anyone is putting the blame on her. I also think thereís nothing wrong with having a more nuanced discussion about these things, even being as sensitive as they are.

I agree that I don't think anyone in this discussion is putting the blame on her. I also agree there's nothing wrong with having a nuanced discussion about the topic.
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