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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Cottonfields single version stereo mix intro on: September 21, 2020, 07:30:52 AM
On some compilations, that guitar intro in the mono mix does get cut off, but it's there on the original single + other comps.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Judy Bowles on: August 24, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
Playing the drums left handed is common among drummers who are self taught. The hi-hat is on the left, so it makes more sense for those who are new to the kit to play it with the left hand. Dennis always switched to right handed drumming when he used the ride, and all his fills lead with the right.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: At what point and where did Brian's complex arrangements / orchestrations begin? on: August 22, 2020, 04:26:23 PM
Thinkin' Bout You Baby by Sharon Marie also has some strings, I suppose that would be Brian's first string arrangement?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: August 10, 2020, 09:51:19 AM
On the covers and 'lonely in the night I feel' - that lyric shows up on every single lyrics site. Once someone posts the lyrics somewhere for the first time, they end up on every site with all the same errors. Similarly, "she's goin' bald" is the line written on every lyric site for Mike's first bass part in SGB, when listening to the song clearly reveals he's singing 'she was kinda nutty.'

The line here starts before the word 'lonely' and continues for two more measures, and 'lonely in the night I feel' wouldn't even make sense in the context of the song. It's just something someone heard that got repeated, since it's clearly very hard to tell what's being sung here.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: August 10, 2020, 09:45:29 AM
This is definitely subjective to a point since the vocal is so heavily processed and not very high in the mix, but I think we do have to use a degree of logic too. Chances are the lyric forms a coherent sentence (this was generally their preference, even when writing counterpoint lines that were to be less audible), and chances are it matches the overall sentiment of the song.

A side question worth discussion - was this a Brian vocal arrangement or did he just sing his parts then split, with Carl figuring out the counter melodies?
It sounds like a Brian vocal arrangement, and all 5 are singing on the same track here, probably at the same time - Bruce is singing the "all I wanna do" line, Brian's doing a high falsetto, Al is singing the midrange "do do do do" part, Mike is singing the bass vocal, and Carl's singing this line.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: August 09, 2020, 06:02:47 PM
After listening again I think the first line is "When you get lonely every time I've come". I no longer think it has anything to do with "night".
The th sound in the sounds pretty clear to me and I'm not really hearing a v sound anywhere in there.. and there are still 4-5 syllables after the melody that would match those words
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: July 29, 2020, 03:24:16 PM

What a terrible opinion
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: July 28, 2020, 11:20:06 AM
To make it clear, this is what I'm hearing from Carl:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tEcsst0coh1pAPM2NclXDb0_K1kfJNYV/view?usp=sharing
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: July 28, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
I still hear....Lonely in the night, I feel.

It sounds like a call response with Brian singing "all I wanna do"
And Carl responds "lonely in the night, i feel"

The "I" in "I feel" is sustained a bit.
If you focus on Carl's voice before "lonely in the night" you can tell he's singing a couple words to the same melody as "sure as the SUN will come around again..." so, C4 A3 C4 before the words "lonely in the night"
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: July 27, 2020, 03:54:23 PM
I'm sticking to my theory of "If you get lonely in the night I'd wanna be with you"... I can't hear anything other than "if you get" at the start, and I don't hear a hard c sound after "lonely in the night"
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'All I Wanna Do' Mystery Lyrics on: July 26, 2020, 12:57:01 PM
Or, “my love is burning in the night light”
I think you're confusing all the different vocal parts for one line: Mike and Brian are singing "my love is burning brightly, like moon and stars shine nightly" while Bruce sings "all I wanna do" and Carl sings his line (with other wordless parts from Al, Brian and Mike). Salty isolated that part and I'm pretty sure the line is "if you get lonely in the night I'd wanna be with you." Try listening to just the left channel and focusing on Carl's voice.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Don't Run Away on: May 22, 2020, 02:44:52 PM
This is a wonderful song by Bruce & Terry and I've always wanted to know more about the track - it was apparently recorded 2/15/1966, the same day as That's Not Me (before or after? Bruce and Terry were both at that BB session). But what studio was it recorded at? What musicians play on the track? If anyone in the know could help me out, that would be great.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The choir-part from the bridge on GV on smile. on: May 18, 2020, 09:30:31 AM
Brian may have wanted to use the extended bridge all along, but had to trim it down to first release it as a single; and keep in mind that the single was already long enough as it was.

At 3:35, it was the longest song to hit #1 in 1966. The next highest was Paint It Black which was 3:19; and coincidentally, the previous #1 single that was longer than GV was (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction at 3:45.

Most hit singles then were three minutes or less, and had the cut section been included, the song would have been closer to four minutes, which wouldn't have been feasible then. I actually didn't notice how long the song was for the time period until I read about it in Mike's book.

Had SMiLE been properly released back then, the extended bridge probably would have been included on the album version. But instead, the single version was slapped onto Smiley Smile (against Brian's wishes) and it basically became the official version at that point.
This isn't true. It became the official version when Brian created a final mix and released it as a single in 1966. There's no evidence that for Smile, Brian would've gone back to the tapes, included some random backing vocals he didn't use, and edited it back together. It seems he was done with the song
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keep it clean with Al Jardine and watch this WIGU(TBAM) breakdown vid on: May 10, 2020, 10:15:53 PM
I don't know, there are a couple of moments on the session tape (LTSDD part 2) where the rhythm instrument sounds very electric - on TSS box, disc 4 track 11, at 1:17, there's a specific upstroke that sounds very guitarish, and like it's coming out of an amp. Same goes for 0:28, when the instrument is playing alone. The strumming style and voicings (only a couple notes per chord) do make me think it could be a ukulele though.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First appearance of clarinets on BBs record (and final?) on: April 07, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
Speaking of flutes and Pet Sounds era tracks, I just had a listen to the first Good Vibrations session on UM, and it seems as if there's a quartet of flutes/alto flutes/piccolos on the verse (with one playing the melody, and the other three forming chords around it). However, the sessionography in the Smile book gives Bill Green a credit on contrabass clarinet, which I'm not hearing anywhere. What does the AFM contract say?

Also, the 4/9 session has Arthur C. Smith credited for ocarina and piccolo in the book, but I'm just hearing piccolo throughout the session. I'm guessing ocarina was tried in early rehearsals and not kept?

At some point in that first session, Brian calls out the contra clarinet by name. Maybe he misspoke, or maybe that instrument was replaced by the final take, but the assignment is based on that. What I have down as a tenor flute could well by an alto flute.

As for the 4/9 session - yes, quite possibly.

Another important note on naming conventions - within the Clarinet family now; "contra clarinet" is not really a thing -- there are contra-alto and contrabass clarinets.  Contrabass clarinets are really quite rare, even moreso than bass flutes.  If there is a clarinet lower than a bass clarinet on a BBs record, I'd expect it to be a contra-alto clarinet, which, while still relatively rare, seems more likely to even be manufactured let alone purchase-able at that time.

For a beautiful example, see: https://www.wwbw.com/Selmer-Paris-Model-40-Contra-Alto-Clarinet-620602.wwbw

And as you can see, it costs about the same as a luxury sedan.  So you have to know you're gonna use it before you take out a loan on that!
What do you make of the "contra clarinet" on the 4/9 session? On The Smile Sessions, disc 5, track 2 at 5:40, it plays some very low Bbs and Ebs during the bridge (I can't tell what octave). Then at 6:12 it plays the bass line. Is this firmly in the contra alto range?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First appearance of clarinets on BBs record (and final?) on: April 07, 2020, 11:18:08 AM
Speaking of flutes and Pet Sounds era tracks, I just had a listen to the first Good Vibrations session on UM, and it seems as if there's a quartet of flutes/alto flutes/piccolos on the verse (with one playing the melody, and the other three forming chords around it). However, the sessionography in the Smile book gives Bill Green a credit on contrabass clarinet, which I'm not hearing anywhere. What does the AFM contract say?

Also, the 4/9 session has Arthur C. Smith credited for ocarina and piccolo in the book, but I'm just hearing piccolo throughout the session. I'm guessing ocarina was tried in early rehearsals and not kept?
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First appearance of clarinets on BBs record (and final?) on: April 07, 2020, 11:12:20 AM
OK, so the lower flute on Caroline actually does have to be a bass flute--it goes down below the Alto Flute's compass.

So I'm thinking the lineup is:

1 concert flute, 2 altos, and a bass?

In this video of the Caroline backing track, at what time stamp in the track do you hear the low note that suggests it's lower than an alto flute?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RypKTz1Kmpg

If you sing the lyrics to the melody at the end that the flutes play, the "did" in "where did your long hair go" is a middle C on the lowest flute and should be the lowest note an alto flute can play, but the melody goes much lower (to at least an F3, can't tell if the low Db is even played on the bass flute).
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