Just curious, but...

Anybody here in the US that may have called last week for a replacement, say, Tuesday or Wednesday, that's gotten their disc yet? As noted, I called last Wednesday but still nothing yet. My feeling is that, even with the holiday, it should've gone out this Monday at the latest, so by tomorrow I would hope it would be here.

Not getting antsy. I'm just leery of anything where they simply take down my name and address, with no confirmation number or e-mail verification. I've had too many things of that nature get "accidentally forgotten" or "accidentally deleted from the CSR's screen" over the years...lol.

I just called the 1-800 number given earlier in this thread (1-800-288-5942), and I was simply asked for my name and address. Call took less than a minute, and I was told the replacement is on its way.

Thanks, again, to those who provided the info!

I had exactly the same experience. I called at noon, EST.

Me three. Name and address only. Though, I called last Wednesday morning, right when they opened. Haven't received it yet as of today (Mon.), but I'd reckon the holiday might have something to do with that. FWIW, I'm in Ohio.

You're close to the tin soldiers, then?

My alma mater.

I just called the 1-800 number given earlier in this thread (1-800-288-5942), and I was simply asked for my name and address. Call took less than a minute, and I was told the replacement is on its way.

Thanks, again, to those who provided the info!

I had exactly the same experience. I called at noon, EST.

Me three. Name and address only. Though, I called last Wednesday morning, right when they opened. Haven't received it yet as of today (Mon.), but I'd reckon the holiday might have something to do with that. FWIW, I'm in Ohio.

Looks like a bootleg.

Could very well be. Though, I punched the catalog number into Google and found several legit overseas retailers that have it listed as well. For whatever that's worth.

This one's in Sweden:

http://www.bengans.se/product.aspx?Currency=sek&language=en&skivkod=890609#

Does anybody know anything about this?

http://www.wowhd.co.uk/DVD/back-again/dp/35263951#bc=fc08

Don't know if it's legit or not, but other than "In My Room" being tacked on at the very end, it's the exact same setlist and order as the Chiba show.

That must be what it is then.

Here's one other site that has it listed...but with a different release date. This one's an Australian site.

http://www.sanity.com.au/products/2256114/Back_Again

Does anybody know anything about this?

http://www.wowhd.co.uk/DVD/back-again/dp/35263951#bc=fc08

Don't know if it's legit or not, but other than "In My Room" being tacked on at the very end, it's the exact same setlist and order as the Chiba show.

And where is this footage of Brian solo from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0r_IQu2720

It's from a 1998 Nashville Network special that Brian did with Deana Carter -- Front Row Center.

Cool. Thank you! I don't think I've heard about that before. I have added it now to the list.

And...to be more specific, while refreshing my memory with Google...

Although the TNN series was called Front Row Center, the actual episode was titled "In My Room." It originally aired November 10th, 1998 (a Tuesday). Apparently, the "series" only made it to all of two episodes on TNN.


Edit: Also...Andrew's site has the actual taping date as Sept. 16, 1998.

And where is this footage of Brian solo from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0r_IQu2720

It's from a 1998 Nashville Network special that Brian did with Deana Carter -- Front Row Center.

[with]

And it's good that you used the original "Fallin' In Love" from the boot instead of the released version. True to form.

Hi Mikie,

Just to clarify, it's not actually the original booted/Desper stereo mix of "Fallin' In Love (aka Lady)" here, in that "Sonic" noted that he simply re-edited the 2009 version to emulate the structure of the original.

The 1970 mix features a slightly different, doubled DW lead with different lyrics in places. For example, the original has the lyrics "I love to grow with my lady" on the first verse. Whereas, on the 2009 version, it's a doubled "I let her grow (or possibly "let her know") she's a lady." 

Desper has said on his thread that the original intent for the lead to be single tracked, and that having it doubled compromised the the emotion.

I may be in the minority here, but I still think they should have included the original stereo mixes of "Lady" and "Good Time" on the Made In California box. Or...for consistencies sake...perhaps the original mono single mix of "Lady" to compliment "Sound Of Free."

The 2009 version of "Lady" is more like an alternate version, reconstruction to me (I won't use the word "outtfake"....lol), in that the string intro was simply created by flying-in that bit, from the multis, elsewhere in the song. I also prefer Denny's lead vocals and the lyrics on the original. On the later version, to me anyway, his vocals sound slightly thicker and more sluggish.


Still cool that "Sonic" gave us something else unique and fun here -- yet with a basis in the original. That's what these fan edits and reconstructions should often be about anyway IMHO: A fresh perspective on an "old friend."

Alan Boyd on Cotton Fields:

"...COTTON FIELDS was never intended to be included on an album, although EMI - which had distribution rights in Europe for the first two Brother Records albums on their Stateside label - saw fit to add the song to their initial release of SUNFLOWER, and somebody at Stateside took a mono single master, made it duophonic (yecch) and it appeared as the first song on side one of the European Stateside Records SUNFLOWER."

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1203.msg26330.html#msg26330

Re the Edition you have - go to Discogs, and type in the album title + any other barcodes or industrial type markings you can see (in the deadwax etc).  Perhaps you have this edition:

Beach Boys, The ‎– Sunflower
Label: Caribou Records ‎– CRB 31773
Format: Vinyl, LP, Album
Country: UK
Released: 1980

Hi Alan,
Yes indeed, the one you have listed above is the exact copy I have.  Okay, that clears that up.  Anyway, I listened to it for the first time yesterday and I have to say, it sounds lovely.  It's a great copy just in itself; the fact that whoever had the vinyl before I laid my hands on it, really took care of it.  
Thanks again for the assistance!

Again, the 1980 reissue doesn't have Cottonfields listed on the cover, or included at all for that matter, and you noted in your first post that your cover did (yet your vinyl didn't). As I suggested earlier, is it possible that you simply have an earlier UK or Euro, Stateside or Odeon cover mated with the '80 reissue UK CBS/Caribou vinyl?

Or...does your release look entirely like this? This is the cover and the vinyl from that noted 1980 UK CBS/Caribou release. No Cottonfields at all:  



http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunflowerukoverview.jpg

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunflowerukoverviewback.jpg

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunfloweruklabel1.jpg

No, not the same cover.  Like you said, someone has obviously placed the 1980 Caribou pressing into an older UK or European gatefold cover.  

Cool...thanks for the reply! I'm always just interested in knowing if there's some other rare/undocumented issue of the album -- however bizarre it might be, or even if it's a mispressing. Good to know that isn't the case here!

[with]

And it's good that you used the original "Fallin' In Love" from the boot instead of the released version. True to form.

Hi Mikie,

Just to clarify, it's not actually the original booted/Desper stereo mix of "Fallin' In Love (aka Lady)" here, in that "Sonic" noted that he simply re-edited the 2009 version to emulate the structure of the original.

The 1970 mix features a slightly different, doubled DW lead with different lyrics in places. For example, the original has the lyrics "I love to grow with my lady" on the first verse. Whereas, on the 2009 version, it's a doubled "I let her grow (or possibly "let her know") she's a lady." 

[Sunflower]

Wasn't the Sunflower UK version with "Cottonfields" and the inversion of "Deirdre/GTKTW" also issued as a double-LP set with Surf's Up? Alan B. mentions the single LP version, but I seem to recall having a copy of the double-LP set way back then...

Yes, indeed it was. With black Stateside labels. Another one that I parted with...many moons ago. 

Alan Boyd on Cotton Fields:

"...COTTON FIELDS was never intended to be included on an album, although EMI - which had distribution rights in Europe for the first two Brother Records albums on their Stateside label - saw fit to add the song to their initial release of SUNFLOWER, and somebody at Stateside took a mono single master, made it duophonic (yecch) and it appeared as the first song on side one of the European Stateside Records SUNFLOWER."

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1203.msg26330.html#msg26330

Re the Edition you have - go to Discogs, and type in the album title + any other barcodes or industrial type markings you can see (in the deadwax etc).  Perhaps you have this edition:

Beach Boys, The ‎– Sunflower
Label: Caribou Records ‎– CRB 31773
Format: Vinyl, LP, Album
Country: UK
Released: 1980

Hi Alan,
Yes indeed, the one you have listed above is the exact copy I have.  Okay, that clears that up.  Anyway, I listened to it for the first time yesterday and I have to say, it sounds lovely.  It's a great copy just in itself; the fact that whoever had the vinyl before I laid my hands on it, really took care of it. 
Thanks again for the assistance!

Again, the 1980 reissue doesn't have Cottonfields listed on the cover, or included at all for that matter, and you noted in your first post that your cover did (yet your vinyl didn't). As I suggested earlier, is it possible that you simply have an earlier UK or Euro, Stateside or Odeon cover mated with the '80 reissue UK CBS/Caribou vinyl?

Or...does your release look entirely like this? This is the cover and the vinyl from that noted 1980 UK CBS/Caribou release. No Cottonfields at all: 



http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunflowerukoverview.jpg

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunflowerukoverviewback.jpg

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunfloweruklabel1.jpg

[Sadly, I'm not near my collection [the thing I'm missing the most being at Uni] but I'm sure someone else can help you]

I have both the original UK Stateside issue [Gatefold w/Duophonic Cottonfields] and the Later, non-gatefold UK Caribou re-issue. To clarify these matters, the original version also has Deirdre and Got To Know The Woman swapped around for reasons I don't know [but I prefer it] and the Caribou issue, as you state, features the standard US tracklisting. Seen the Caribou copy around quite a bit, my dad got it in a 50p box solely for Forever.

But anyway, I digress, both copies sound great to me [though Duophonic Cottonfields, is, well, Duophonic], but I haven't played the Caribou one for a long time, simply because I haven't needed to.

Either way, good find, is your cover gatefold? And does it have the 'stateside' logo on the front of the cover? The caribou cover isn't gatefold, but has cropped versions of the interior photos on the back cover in the previously empty space.

Sadly, I'm not near my collection [the thing I'm missing the most being at Uni] but I'm sure someone else can help you If not I'm home next weekend.

I don't know if this may be of any help, but I recently sold off a copy of the '80 UK CBS/Caribou reissue...so I still have some photos from it on my computer. From The OP's description, it almost sounds like he has an earlier UK or Euro, Stateside (or Odeon) jacket mated with the vinyl from that noted '80 UK CBS/Caribou reissue.

Again...these photos are entirely from the '80 CBS/Caribou reissue that Freddie references (i.e. the one that uses the standard US track lineup):


http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunflowerukoverview.jpg

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunflowerukoverviewback.jpg

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/sunfloweruklabel1.jpg

"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....

First recorded sighting of Brian's R&R album - summer 1999.

I'll take it back even further than that, Andrew. When I first got my Sweet Insanity tape, way back in '92, there was a radio interview tagged onto it that Brian did, slightly before then, where he also mentioned wanting to record the notorious "rock and roll" album.

(Or...was it him just wanting to record a song that went "A rock. A roll. A rockin'-and-a-rollin'," and which he also sang a few bars from? My mind is cloudy. Though, I do seem to recollect a mention of him working with Carole King on it.)

I also remember one aspect of that live radio interview, vividly, because he said the "f word" twice by mistake...with no bleep to catch it! Good ol' Brian...lol!

Mark said this recently about the initial Shut Down 2 tapes turning up:

"This find wasn’t heavily publicized but the fact that it got any publicity at all has caused other tapes to turn up. About three years ago somebody turned up with about 28 tapes that had, shall we say, gone missing from the Beach Boys and Capitol archives in 1980; this included the eight-track master to Do it Again and We’re Together Again and several of the albums that ultimately didn’t get released like Adult Child and a version of California Feelin.’"

They mention 28 tapes, which is a lot of music, but only give a few examples. I'd imagine "Fun Fun Fun" and "The Warmth Of The Sun" were among them or among some other set of tapes they have. They're obviously remixes, either way.

Whoa, where did this quote come from? I missed this. 

http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2013/09/04/made-in-california-producers-alan-boyd-dennis-wolfe-mark-linett-beach-boys-interview/

I thought Jack Rieley sang "That's why the child..." Sure don't sound like Carl to me...

Probably is - I'm not aware of who all sung on that coda - sounded like Carl to me at the time.

And I've always thought it was Dennis

Here's an mp3 of the section from the 5.1 mix (the rear right channel in this case) if people want to study it a bit more closely:

http://www.lukpac.org/~dave/Surf%27s%20Up%20-%20Rear%20Right.mp3

I thought the Shut Down II multitracks were gone too.  Same with the Deuce Coupe album.  You sure they were found, Dave?  Everything?  Does that mean the return of the Don't Worry Baby and Why Do Fools Fall In Love tape(s) a few years ago wasn't so important after all or were they still needed to complete the album?

I stand corrected, Mikie  The Shut Down Vol. II, 3-track multis for the 6 songs they found apparently didn't include TWOFS and FFF (three tapes in total were reacquired). Don't know what made me think those two were part of the treasure -- they're weren't! On the other hand, they did find the 3-track multis for DWB and WDFFIL as part of that Shut Down Vol. II cache.

Here's the best article on it:

http://www.newtimesslo.com/cover/3164/the-reel-deal/


Edit: Someone just beat me to the punch. 

The Warmth of the Sun is 10 seconds longer?  I thought the multi-tracks to that song were lost...

The Shut Down Vol. 2 multis were "discovered" and returned 4 or 5 years ago. Hence, the ability to now fully remix tracks from that album.

BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.

Yep. Suit was filed in August of 99.

Thanks to both of you -- really fascinating!

I'm trying to warp myself around and refresh my memory of the timeline, as it probably would've been sometime shortly after the Bridge Shows if it were, say, the fall of 1999, right? Any other evidence of studio material that may have been worked on with Was from around this time? Were the new vocals done at Mark Linett's studio or somewhere else?

Really looking forward to the sessionography as well.

Not after the Bridge School shows...earlier the same month.  And definitely not Linett's studio, as he apparently had no knowledge of the overdub until recently.

Thanks again. Really fascinating stuff.

Ian & Jon,

I'll just add to the choruses of what an amazing book this is. After receiving it a few weeks ago, and just "spot-checking" it up to this point, I finally had the time today to read it cover-to-cover. In terms of information, it's absolutely essential for anyone who calls themselves a Beach Boys fan. What a beautiful layout to boot! Reading the original Cleveland Plain Dealer and Cleveland Press reviews for the shows I attended in '79 and '80, at The Palace Theater and Blossom respectively, really brought back the rush of what it was like to "attack" the newspaper, the morning or two after a show happened, and find out what the local critics had to say about what I had just experienced. That was always almost as fun as the concert itself to me! Somewhere, I still even have the handbill for the Palace show, as well as the tourbook for the Blossom concert. Let me just say that you guys really did a great job of recapturing the thrill of that place in time!

And while specifically not mentioned in detail, the timeline layout also jogged my memories of both Dennis and Carl's solo appearances here in Cleveland during that era. In Denny's case, an in-store signing to promote POB at Peaches Records & Tapes, and for Carl, not only his concert at the Cleveland Agora, but a completely live TV performance of "Hold Me" on The Afternoon Exchange as well (IIRC, recorded during his sound check).

Also, something I've been meaning to ask since receiving the book, and unless I'm missing something: I can't seem to find the recording venue/date citation for the last track on the '73 Concert album, "Fun, Fun, Fun."  All the others on the album seem to be present and accounted for, except this one. If I'm missing it, my apologies and please feel free to steer me in the right direction. But if not, would it be possible to still retrieve that information from someone (e.g. Alan)? The historian in me (or obsessive...lol) is itching to mentally fill-in that last block of important info. Any help would be greatly appreciated...assuming the recording details on that live track still exist.


thanks again!
Dave

The soundboard bootlegs of the Palladium late show and the raw recording of the Finsbury Park show - can we assume they're taken from these acetates or from copies of the tapes? Obviously the other Palladium show is an audience recording, so...

Good question, but I suppose Bgas will have to jump in here as I haven't heard any of the acetates from Finsbury. Though, I do have the raw stereo soundboard of Finsbury that circulates, which I'll assume is the one that everyone else has? Also, as Bgas noted above, the Finsbury acetates feature two different mixes (or "mikings" as they say on the sleeve) for each of the two shows.

I can say this much though: I was surprised at how nearly identical that 1970 acetate mix from the incomplete Palladium AIWTD sounded compared to the '83 Rarities mix. Other than the track fading out, that is. Really close in terms of placements in the mix (not mastering obviously).

BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.

Yep. Suit was filed in August of 99.

Thanks to both of you -- really fascinating!

I'm trying to warp myself around and refresh my memory of the timeline, as it probably would've been sometime shortly after the Bridge Shows if it were, say, the fall of 1999, right? Any other evidence of studio material that may have been worked on with Was from around this time? Were the new vocals done at Mark Linett's studio or somewhere else?

Really looking forward to the sessionography as well.

I was able to hear the acetate recordings of the complete and incomplete version.

1) First up, the complete performance is the same as the lo-fi tape. Only difference being that the acetate version is sourced from the pro stereo mix, while the lo-fi tape is just a lousy, high generation, mono audience recording. The pro acetate mix does go on for quite a bit at the end, as well, so there's all kinds of additional outro chatter.


which leads to...


2) Bruce's "goodnight" comment is indeed simply lifted from the outro of the complete performance version, along with all the other tagged-on musical material during the edit at the end. The "goodnight" was actually always on the lo-fi audience tape as well, but it occurs just as that tape is starting to fade, so I didn't catch it.


which leads further to...


3) Now being able to clearly hear the "c'mon, c'mon, c'mon baby" line from the complete and incomplete acetate versions, I still think that singular performance of it from the incomplete performance was looped for this new mix, or perhaps, mixed *together* on that second-go-around (it's doubled on the second line of the new mix), as the complete performance version of it is sung a little choppier when listening to it by itself. Yet, the aftermath of that point in the complete version exists in this new mix (including some background "c'mons"), so the edit point is somewhere in that vicinity anyway...or slightly after. Others can decide the exact point. Again, it's only initially sung **once** for both the complete and incomplete performance but appears twice, together, in the new mix, so that's a pretty cool edit in any event (it also appears faintly, off-mic, a few bars along for one of the versions).


And...that's how they made the new mix. As also noted above, with the guitar parts flown in from the complete performance (though, with some edits, ADT, etc.). FWIW, those guitar parts are absent from the stereo acetate mix of the incomplete performance as well, so it does appear that they weren't picked up on the 8-track or usable, for whatever reason, for that performance.



Confused yet...lol?  

Is there much of a noticeable difference between the "raw" broadcast, and the overdubbed HBO special?

All I have is a fairly lousy sounding audience recording of the unedited show -- not the one that apparently ran in DC on the FM and in NYC on the AM. I'd reckon that those "pro recordings" would probably be a better frame of reference if anyone has them.


I will say this much though: It truly is a "sound to behold" when Brian suddenly becomes audible on "Wouldn't It Be Nice," as the song starts to progress along, for that '80 show.