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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Love Lives On ... on: August 28, 2013, 03:33:59 PM



Any info (or guesses) as to when the vocal was done? I'm still going to bet the farm on the '77 date.



And I really don't want to lose the farm.
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MIC Price Discussion Thread. on: August 28, 2013, 02:58:18 PM

Then i got an e-mail from Collectors Choice Music saying something like "We noticed you abandoned our site without finishing your order. We hope we didn't upset you. So here's a coupon code for $5 off a purchase of $25 or more." Which means I could have gotten it for $5 LESS than their already-lower-than-a-lot-of-dealers' prices.



You should tell them that you're REAAALLLY P*SSED!



Maybe...they'll send you a 10 dollar coupon...lol?
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Love Lives On ... on: August 28, 2013, 02:34:33 PM
It sounds like an early form of the POB era. Kind of like he is developing that sound. Of course I'm not talking post 1980, but I think Dennis adjusted to the 1974 voice change better than Brian. Here he sounds like he could have still salvaged his throat had he listened to the doctor and not used his voice for a while.  The 1974 tracks are interesting for Brian and Dennis vocally. Had they stopped smoking, drinking, and snorting at that point maybe they could have recovered?

I posted this in the other thread, but anyone know for certain that the vocal was indeed recorded in '74? That is, even though the '74 date of the initial session is listed in the credits, the track was also worked on in Oct. of '77, and it almost sounds to my ears like it's from that later date (i.e. the live audience vocals I have from Dennis in '74'75, and even the studio '76 vocals like Sea Cruise, seem a bit less "fractured"  than here). In fact, I thought someone else did note that the vocal was from '77.


Anyone confirm? Either way? Smiley


TIA,
Dave
My ears definitely say '77.



Yeah, it just really has that Bambu era vocal quality to it.

I think this is actually one my small pet peeves with the set; I thought that we might be getting a more detailed sessionography with either roughed-in or exact dates where they exist. In the cases where a track was worked on or attempted over time, this would've been a godsend for the history and date buffs. Though, I also have to wonder, considering that some of the tracks were patched together, or involved various fly-ins (and, in the case of You're Still A Mystery...possibly even re-records), maybe the powers-that-be wanted to keep things, purposely, a little on the general/vague side? Single dates and such.

In the case of MLLO, that initial '74 date (which was actually August of '74) trumping the Oct. '77 date.
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 28, 2013, 01:49:25 PM
Still soaking this in today. It really was worth every second of the wait (IMHO).


The weird thing...is even though we all had the stellar Adam/Evie version burned into our brains (or the Boyd piano recording) -- which in some ways is unfair to any "surprise element" that comes with listening to an original recording for the first time...in reverse -- the whole vibe here kind of caught me off-guard, even though I always said that I could fully imagine the track in my head. So ethereal. And while I must confess that I miss some of the thick harmonies of Adam's version, and would've loved to heard this layered with more of the BB's voices, the whole thing sounds like a lovely dream.

Is it Dennis's "best song" ever or "best vocal" ever? I don't know. It never really had to be that for me to still be a winner, and it's always going to be hard to to top stuff like Be With Me, Celebrate The News, Lady and Slip On Through for me (all great songs AND great vocal performances IMO), but it's certainly right up there at the top, and easily the biggest crown jewel to come out of the well in some time. I love those double-tracked, higher, sustained whole notes. Dennis was definitely singing for "all his life" here. In some alternate universe, it might be fun to dream about what other things might've been added to it before, and had it been released. As it stands, it's still pretty damned-well perfect.


Also, I gotta say, considering that he simply heard this over the phone a couple of times, it's amazing how much Adam nailed the arrangement on his cover. Even the slight differences seem like they could've always been there.
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Love Lives On ... on: August 28, 2013, 01:07:13 PM
This track is listed as having had a session devoted to it in '77, according to AGD's website,


Right. As I noted earlier...Oct. of '77.
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Love Lives On ... on: August 28, 2013, 12:30:09 PM
It sounds like an early form of the POB era. Kind of like he is developing that sound. Of course I'm not talking post 1980, but I think Dennis adjusted to the 1974 voice change better than Brian. Here he sounds like he could have still salvaged his throat had he listened to the doctor and not used his voice for a while.  The 1974 tracks are interesting for Brian and Dennis vocally. Had they stopped smoking, drinking, and snorting at that point maybe they could have recovered?

I posted this in the other thread, but anyone know for certain that the vocal was indeed recorded in '74? That is, even though the '74 date of the initial session is listed in the credits, the track was also worked on in Oct. of '77, and it almost sounds to my ears like it's from that later date (i.e. the live audience vocals I have from Dennis in '74'75, and even the studio '76 vocals like Sea Cruise, seem a bit less "fractured"  than here). In fact, I thought someone else did note that the vocal was from '77.


Anyone confirm? Either way? Smiley


TIA,
Dave
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Post Release MIC Track Discussion on: August 28, 2013, 12:04:41 PM
Soaking in the box today. So much stuff to digest. A couple of thoughts and questions:

1) Knowing that he also worked on the track in Oct. of 1977, and even though the credit lists the original session, '74 date, hasn't it been noted that Denny's vocal for My Love Lives On *might* actually date from '77 as well? That is, his voice actually sounds like it's from that era to me. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, and they know for sure that it's from '74.

And...what a monster track. Sounds like the bookend to his life.

2) Good Time is the Love You mix. Considering that they placed it back in its rightful chronological place, I was actually hoping that they might use Desper's original (unreleased) stereo mix. Oh well. Minor gripe. On the other hand, I really would've preferred either the original Desper stereo mix of "Lady" or the original single mono mix to the 2009 reconstruction (I also prefer the other lyrics as well). But...we knew this one was coming...so no surprise here.

3) You're Still A Mystery: If that alternate lead vocal isn't of a more recent vintage than when the other one was recorded, I'll eat my (gluten-free) hat...lol. It also sounds like someone else is mixed in with the falsetto here (Matt? Someone else?) Though, I think I actually prefer these vocals. Nice one from Brian...whenever it was done.
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: August 27, 2013, 09:38:35 PM
If the U.K. version of Sunflower had "Cotton Fields" as its opener, what was the tracklist like for the U.K. version of 20/20?

Were the songs any different? Or did they just keep "Cotton Fields" off?


For the UK 20/20...same track lineup and same order as the US. Remember...the UK Sunflower had the single version of Cottonfields. Smiley
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: Longevity Rules on: August 27, 2013, 02:41:46 PM
Quote from: runnersdialzero link=topic=16243.msg395956#msg395956


He didn't say post-Friends, I think he just meant some stuff wasn't quite finished and thus didn't make the album or later albums.


Yes, you are absolutely correct. A better term from me would've been "Friends-era tracks that weren't finished -- for whatever reason -- at the time of the album's release."

I'd still love to know what they could possibly be. It's always a thrill for me to find out about seemingly undocumented-to-the-masses stuff (assuming that's what they actually are).



A quick glance at C-man and AGD's work, as listed on Bellagio, shows the following unreleased tracks from the Friends sessions:


"Untitled #1";

"You're As Cool As You Can Be";

an early version of "All I Wanna Do" [probably "All I Want to Do", i.e., the Dennis and Mike song, not the Mike and Brian one];

"Our Happy Home";

"New Song" [said to be a "Spanish guitar instrumental" often confused for a Smile outtake--has this been booted?]; 



Thanks! I glanced at Bellagio, very quickly, after I read the piece, and the only thing my tired, old eyes caught was "Our Happy Home" (of which I'd heard that title previously mentioned before). Those other ones would seem to be the ticket! Maybe something else as well?
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: Longevity Rules on: August 27, 2013, 02:20:47 PM
Quote from: runnersdialzero link=topic=16243.msg395956#msg395956


He didn't say post-Friends, I think he just meant some stuff wasn't quite finished and thus didn't make the album or later albums.


Yes, you are absolutely correct. A better term from me would've been "Friends-era tracks that weren't finished -- for whatever reason -- at the time of the album's release."

I'd still love to know what they could possibly be. It's always a thrill for me to find out about seemingly undocumented-to-the-masses stuff (assuming that's what they actually are).
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: Longevity Rules on: August 27, 2013, 01:29:07 PM
Good find Dave and some very interesting stuff, especially concerning Mikes input into the boxed set although I'm sure the Mike haters will find some way to vilify him.


I'm really intrigued by those unreleased, "slightly post-Friends era" tracks that they speak of. Looking at all previous reference sources, I'm drawing a blank as to what exactly those might be?

I have no idea, does he mean tracks that are still in the vault or were in the vault? Tracks that fit into the timeline include Walk On By, Ol' Man River and Sail Plane Song.

Could be. But, being that those tracks have already been done-to-death, I was under the impression that he meant something that we haven't heard before. That is, something that would make a noted deluxe edition truly special.
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: Longevity Rules on: August 27, 2013, 01:16:57 PM
Good find Dave and some very interesting stuff, especially concerning Mikes input into the boxed set although I'm sure the Mike haters will find some way to vilify him.


I'm really intrigued by those unreleased, "slightly post-Friends era" tracks that they speak of. Looking at all previous reference sources, I'm drawing a blank as to what exactly those might be?
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Beach Boys: Longevity Rules on: August 27, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
Good piece, with lots of input from the powers-that-be, as well as some other comments that I'm sure will draw interest. Smiley


http://www.americansongwriter.com/2013/08/the-beach-boys-longevity-rules/
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Post Release MIC Track Discussion on: August 27, 2013, 03:02:18 AM

Barnyard Blues is cool too. I didn't expect two 1974 Dennis leads. I wonder who is with him on Barnyard Blues?
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According to Alan Boyd...Carl and Ricky.  Smiley


140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MiC up for order on Amazon, August release on: August 26, 2013, 06:08:18 PM
My importcds set was processed thru the Sort facility here in St Louis at 11:43 this morning. The scheduled Delivery date is shown as the 30th, so I suppose my carrier plans to take it home for a few days and check it himself, before delivering....

Is tracking showing it as being handed off from DHL to USPS yet? If so, and if it's any consolation, you'll probably see it before that nasty date.


(DHL...one of the reasons I pretty much stopped ordering from those folks)

yeah, they handed it off  on, I think, the first or second day in California, which seemed very strange...


Yep, that's really bizarre. I'm here in Ohio, and that's where the exchange has always taken place whenever I've used them. Though, it's probably a blessing in disguise, and perhaps they're doing something different these days as others have already started to receive their boxes as of today.

The last straw with me was when an order took 12 days to get here, and the package didn't move at a particular hub of theirs for 5 days. In their defense, I also had some issues with USPS when their staff cuts initially went into place last year (e.g. packages getting misrouted, rerouted...and basically sent in circles). Though, they're usually aces for me.


Luck of the draw I guess....lol.
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MiC up for order on Amazon, August release on: August 26, 2013, 04:38:54 PM
My importcds set was processed thru the Sort facility here in St Louis at 11:43 this morning. The scheduled Delivery date is shown as the 30th, so I suppose my carrier plans to take it home for a few days and check it himself, before delivering....

Is tracking showing it as being handed off from DHL to USPS yet? If so, and if it's any consolation, you'll probably see it before that nasty date.


(DHL...one of the reasons I pretty much stopped ordering from those folks)
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 26, 2013, 03:35:15 PM
Also, looking at Eric's original comments while listening to the new release, and not wading through all of the earlier posts in this thread, has it been noted whether or not any of the original instrumental tracks have been replaced/augmented?

There's nothing on the released version that wasn't on the original 1971 multitrack.


Cool! Thanks for confirmation, Andrew!

Such a majestic track. Worth every damned second of the wait.


Though, I have to add, I'm also feeling a bit melancholy for old friends, no longer with us, who didn't get a chance to hear this one. So grateful that I did.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 26, 2013, 02:18:11 PM

I agree that it would be awesome to hear the "complete" version, but in the defense of the guys in The Beach Boys and the compilers of the set, apparently Dennis himself was the one who thought the "official" version of the song ends where it does. This is according to AGD of course, but yeah. So I think it's right that this version is the way it is. However, now that it's out, maybe on another collection they can issue the "longer, complete version" and therefore count that as an unreleased track. Wouldn't doubt that it's not part of BRI's thinking right now.


My only thought would be that, without actually hearing what took place musically on the multitrack after the fade, we should probably use caution in terming it a "complete version" (your correct quotes duly noted) -- mostly out of fear of that term somehow catching on.  That is, it may simply be "stuff" that was captured with the record button on. I reckon there's good reason why it fades where it does on *both* of the noted mixes. As also noted, some of which have already been expressed by those in the know.

That said, I love that tag so much that I too wouldn't mind hearing it go on for another 20-30 seconds or so, and/or perhaps as a looonnnng fadeout into the ether, (of course, assuming it was musically usable/good). : )
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 26, 2013, 01:44:57 PM
Also, looking at Eric's original comments while listening to the new release, and not wading through all of the earlier posts in this thread, has it been noted whether or not any of the original instrumental tracks have been replaced/augmented? That is, he describes drums coming in where they don't exactly come in here. Also, kind of interesting how the drum kit/track is mixed wide across the entire stereo spectrum on this new release.

Can you make any other observations, Eric? Does what's common between the two mixes/versions sound exactly the same to your ears?

TIA!

I really doubt it's a new drum track or any new instruments, they know the fanbase would frown upon that kind of stuff (generally!).  I imagine it's just a different mix they had at the time that had some differences in stylistic choices.


What's kind of interesting (to me anyway...lol) is that a droning kick comes in at about the 0:32 mark on the new release, while the rest of the full-blown kit comes in at around the 0:48 mark. Whereas, on Eric's version he simply notes the "drums" coming in at the 0:39 mark. Thus, I'm really curious as to what is exactly on his version. Namely, whether or not there are no drums/percussion/kick at all up to the 0:39 mark on his mix.
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 26, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
Also, looking at Eric's original comments while listening to the new release, and not wading through all of the earlier posts in this thread, has it been noted whether or not any of the original instrumental tracks have been replaced/augmented? That is, he describes drums coming in where they don't exactly come in here. Also, kind of interesting how the drum kit/track is mixed wide across the entire stereo spectrum on this new release.

Can you make any other observations, Eric? Does what's common between the two mixes/versions sound exactly the same to your ears?

TIA!
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 26, 2013, 12:36:20 PM
For those who are interested in, the MIC version is different from mine. Both are identical until 3.36 but the "jam section" is totally different and, to be honest, better in the MIC version (in particular, there is no flute on my version). My version looks like definely a demo.


Thanks for the comparison notes! I was going to post, and was curious as to whether or not the two versions were the same, and if not, what exact differences might exist? Very interesting!

"My version"?? To my knowledge it has never ever been booted...(?) What boot is the "demo" on??

Sorry to sound like an ass, but given his description, it's not a demo, but an alternate mix.

Interesting, though. I'm sure it was being mixed back then with "It's gonna be on a hits package" in mind, thus why it's shorter etc. I don't mean to sound ungrateful, but I'd have really preferred the whole thing have been released. If Dennis meant for the song to fade like this right where it does, then fair enough, but shoot - like I said in the other thread, you really start to "feel" the end section right as it's fading out.

Hopefully some day. ;(


This would be my guess as well (i.e. an alternate mix). Though, I do find it odd that CL's flute would be mixed out of the "other" version when it's always been something that's been noted as one of the highlights of the song from those who had heard it in its entirety (e.g. at a Beach Boys fan convention-listening session).

Also, Eric's version seems to be roughly the same length as the new release -- his is 4:33 -- so I'd reckon that it's faded at about the same place as this one is. FWIW, and so people don't have to hunt through the old posts....here's his original description of his TWOTS version:


"Total time is 04:33. There is a short intro of 00:06 with piano as the main instrument. Then Dennis sings alone. At 00:33 background vocals begin. I can't confirm if it is Brian and Carl or not. At 00:39, drums begin. The same structure is repeated once. After 02:35, there are mainly harmonies and from 03:44 to the end, Dennis repeats the same sentence. He doesn't really sing; he almost speaks. The averall sound is not perfect but quite good."



http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,3562.msg361475.html#msg361475
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 26, 2013, 08:28:14 AM
For those who are interested in, the MIC version is different from mine. Both are identical until 3.36 but the "jam section" is totally different and, to be honest, better in the MIC version (in particular, there is no flute on my version). My version looks like definely a demo.


Thanks for the comparison notes! I was going to post, and was curious as to whether or not the two versions were the same, and if not, what exact differences might exist? Very interesting!
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBNTLA Reviews on: August 25, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
Life-affirming.



And life is good.
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MIC Price Discussion Thread. on: August 22, 2013, 07:10:39 AM
My copy shipped from BlowItOutaHere today as well. Gift from the girlfriend.  Smiley




I liked that vendor until every CD case I got was cracked (new CDs too). I wont use them anymore
and if Amazon sends me a crack-up it will get returned.


I think it's just luck of the draw sometimes. I've ordered many times from either BIOH, Deep Discount or Import CDs, and I think I've only had a cracked case from DD. Either that, or I'm just lucky that BIOH is one state away from me (vs. California for Imports)...lol Smiley

FWIW, I also ordered the Smile box from BIOH with no problems.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Dennis performance was used on C50's Forever? on: August 22, 2013, 05:56:50 AM
They did indeed use a studio vocal take from the multi-track, married with the visuals from Central Park '71. Probably because the TV footage sound would've only existed in mono, and  the vocal couldn't have been separated from everything else. Obviously not the case of Carl and Knebworth for GOK -- where they had an honest-to-goodness, live multi-track vocal.
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