Wow..I’m so passed off at this troll I forgot my second point. Nice.

You still haven’t answered the question... You said you’d be “done” with the band if they didn’t release this set. Why? Is it because you feel so entitled to the set that if you don’t get it, you’re just gonna throw all your old LPs away?

If it gets canceled I’m done with the band for good. Never thought I’d say that but the complete lack of regard to the fans is beyond f***ed up.

Please explain? Back in the 60s and 70s, when these albums were released, they never “promised” you or me anything. They have dozens and dozens of songs in the vaults, that they don’t have to release.
Obviously, if it were up to me, I would have them put out a 50 disc box with nothing but new mixes and unreleased material covering their entire career.
But unfortunately, that’s not up to me. But I’m not going to stop being a fan, just because I’m mad they’re not putting the material out that “I” want to hear.
If there are tracks that members don’t want officially released, it might upset me, but I respect them enough to understand their decision. Keep in mind that the made in California box was supposed to have Thank Him, My Solution and Cary Me Home on it, but it didn’t, because certain members of the band thought it would be insensitive and it made them uncomfortable to release them in a official capacity.
and as I said, while I wish that every single track was released, at the end of the day, it is the bandmembers choice to release or not to release, and if it makes them uncomfortable to release, then I completely respect their decision not to.
Now on the other hand, if this is actually just label politics, and searching for the right release date and the right price point, then I wish they’d quit the shenanigans, get there act together and release the damn thing.
But even if it never comes out, I’m still going to be a fan. Nothing will take away the decades of fantastic music they’ve given us, and at the end of the day, that’s what’s important

Have to ask...were you a fan back when the PS box was supposed to come out the first time but didn’t due to politics? This is seeming a lot like that time. It’s different when something doesn’t come out due to it being potentially embarrassing like, say, I’m begging you please. I have no issue with that. Hell, there’s stuff in my band’s back catalogue built up over the past 20 years I wouldn’t want released. That’s not the same as, “ooh we’re going to be releasing this....nope the liner notes aren’t as congratulatory towards one person as it could be...let’s delay it by a year because we can’t get along”.  As Howie mentioned above, it’s already been green lit by the label, which says all we need to know.

You still haven't addressed the initial question. If this doesn't come out, are you quitting the message board? Are you never listening to the band again? Are you throwing away your records? Never buying anything again? What does being "done" with a band even mean?

It means, he thinks that he is “entitle d” to a set.

Look, you waste of flesh... you do NOT know sh*t about me and don’t presume to know what I’m thinking. I do not feel like I’m “entitled “ to anything. The way things are going right now, Covid will probably do what two strokes couldn’t do and finish me off before the set comes out anyway. So I do not feel entitled to anything . What you need to do is quit being an asshole and respect the fact that 1)people are going to be upset and mocking them just shows what kind of person you are. I don’t know why I’m even arguing with a troll to begin with.

Damn, you’re about to die from Covid, and the best thing you can do is argue with someone on a message board?

I see the point and agree that none of us as fans are "entitled" to anything and we should have some measure of respect for the band members' wishes. And it is difficult when we can only speculate from the outside based on bits of info.

But based on what we are hearing from those involved and the history of The Beach Boys, I think we should all be able to agree that it will be a damn shame if the hard work that has gone in to this set goes to waste.

Oh, I agree that this set definitely deserves to be released, and needs to be heard. I’m just sick of the entitled fans who are spewing out this garbage about never listening to the band again, and they’re done with them, and they don’t care about their fans, and just going on

I mean... do Howie's recent posts really read like the words of a guy who knows this isn't just in limbo, but 'cancelled'?

"While doing the liners for the upcoming box set"

"I CANNOT wait for you all to hear this thing"

The quote was "It is currently NOT scheduled for release."

You can use the word "cancelled", or come up with something more palatable if you prefer. "Indefinitely postponed"? Maybe an optimistic "Awaiting a rescheduled release date"? Perhaps "Never existed in completed form in the first place"?

If there is no November release date set, it will not be released - in my opinion. They will have to release the 1970 material as a copyright dump by 12/31. Notice Howie did not mention anything about discs and packaging manufactured. In order for these things to occur, the release date most certainly would have to be set sometime very very soon. This is not sitting in a warehouse waiting to be released on the world. Sounds cancelled to me.

As someone who is pretty young, and knows quite a bit about the record industry, allow me to say that they don’t really need that much time to set a date. They could finish it, and release it a week later. With the way that technology is today, that’s what the majority of artists do. The majority of artists nowadays finish their albums days before they’re released. It’s the same with these box sets as well. It might not be finished, they might still be making last-minute changes before they put it out to the public. We don’t know. They might not have a date, and come up with one on November 1.
But again, just because there isn’t a date at this moment, doesn’t mean there won’t be a date before the end of the year. They don’t have to set these things up months in advance anymore.

I don't get the "as someone who is pretty young" comment. How is that relevant? Just curious because I'm not really following ...

Pressing thousands of discs and packaging can take a few months. If there's any vinyl involved, it can take a really long time. I've pressed records and tapes myself in recent years.

I think you're gonna need to qualify "the majority of artists nowadays finish their albums days before they’re released" ha. Not if there is any physical media, they don't. That is technically impossible.

Drake’s fourth studio album Views was finished recording on April 27. It was released to digital services two days later on April 29. All the CDs and vinyls came out two weeks later on May 13.
That’s two days after finished recording for digital release, and two weeks and two days for a physical release. And that was an album that sold millions and millions of copies. This box set will probably sell in the thousands, so it’s not gonna take as long to produce as you think it will.
And by the way, that Drake album was distributed under UMG, the exact same company that distributes these box sets

If it gets canceled I’m done with the band for good. Never thought I’d say that but the complete lack of regard to the fans is beyond f***ed up.

Please explain? Back in the 60s and 70s, when these albums were released, they never “promised” you or me anything. They have dozens and dozens of songs in the vaults, that they don’t have to release.
Obviously, if it were up to me, I would have them put out a 50 disc box with nothing but new mixes and unreleased material covering their entire career.
But unfortunately, that’s not up to me. But I’m not going to stop being a fan, just because I’m mad they’re not putting the material out that “I” want to hear.
If there are tracks that members don’t want officially released, it might upset me, but I respect them enough to understand their decision. Keep in mind that the made in California box was supposed to have Thank Him, My Solution and Cary Me Home on it, but it didn’t, because certain members of the band thought it would be insensitive and it made them uncomfortable to release them in a official capacity.
and as I said, while I wish that every single track was released, at the end of the day, it is the bandmembers choice to release or not to release, and if it makes them uncomfortable to release, then I completely respect their decision not to.
Now on the other hand, if this is actually just label politics, and searching for the right release date and the right price point, then I wish they’d quit the shenanigans, get there act together and release the damn thing.
But even if it never comes out, I’m still going to be a fan. Nothing will take away the decades of fantastic music they’ve given us, and at the end of the day, that’s what’s important

Have to ask...were you a fan back when the PS box was supposed to come out the first time but didn’t due to politics? This is seeming a lot like that time. It’s different when something doesn’t come out due to it being potentially embarrassing like, say, I’m begging you please. I have no issue with that. Hell, there’s stuff in my band’s back catalogue built up over the past 20 years I wouldn’t want released. That’s not the same as, “ooh we’re going to be releasing this....nope the liner notes aren’t as congratulatory towards one person as it could be...let’s delay it by a year because we can’t get along”.  As Howie mentioned above, it’s already been green lit by the label, which says all we need to know.

You still haven't addressed the initial question. If this doesn't come out, are you quitting the message board? Are you never listening to the band again? Are you throwing away your records? Never buying anything again? What does being "done" with a band even mean?

It means, he thinks that he is “entitle d” to a set.

I mean... do Howie's recent posts really read like the words of a guy who knows this isn't just in limbo, but 'cancelled'?

"While doing the liners for the upcoming box set"

"I CANNOT wait for you all to hear this thing"

The quote was "It is currently NOT scheduled for release."

You can use the word "cancelled", or come up with something more palatable if you prefer. "Indefinitely postponed"? Maybe an optimistic "Awaiting a rescheduled release date"? Perhaps "Never existed in completed form in the first place"?

If there is no November release date set, it will not be released - in my opinion. They will have to release the 1970 material as a copyright dump by 12/31. Notice Howie did not mention anything about discs and packaging manufactured. In order for these things to occur, the release date most certainly would have to be set sometime very very soon. This is not sitting in a warehouse waiting to be released on the world. Sounds cancelled to me.

As someone who is pretty young, and knows quite a bit about the record industry, allow me to say that they don’t really need that much time to set a date. They could finish it, and release it a week later. With the way that technology is today, that’s what the majority of artists do. The majority of artists nowadays finish their albums days before they’re released. It’s the same with these box sets as well. It might not be finished, they might still be making last-minute changes before they put it out to the public. We don’t know. They might not have a date, and come up with one on November 1.
But again, just because there isn’t a date at this moment, doesn’t mean there won’t be a date before the end of the year. They don’t have to set these things up months in advance anymore.

I personally don’t care who they are. Unless their name is Brian Wilson, Mike love, Al Jardine, or Bruce Johnston, Then my point still stands. Entitled fans are entitled

What a sh*tty thing to tell the people who work on this stuff and champion in. As many have said, without Jon Stebbins, Dennis Wilson would still be a little asterisk in group bios instead of revered as he is now.

If everybody just rolled over and let the band do what they want, and never championed anything, we'd currently be about a thousand tracks lighter in our Beach Boys collections. There would be no game-changing biographies. No "Good Vibrations" boxed set. No "Endless Harmony Soundtrack." No "Smile" box. No "Pet Sounds" sessions. No "Made in California." No copyright extension sets.

If you're take-away from all of this is that everybody but four living Beach Boys are "entitled" for championing releasing amazing material, then you just don't get it. You'll always have "Sounds of Summer" on Spotify.

I’m not discrediting the amazing work that people who have worked on all of these box sets and releases have done. However, Morley, I believe that if the original creator doesn’t agree with it being released, then it shouldn’t be released.
If some of the bandmembers have objections to this box set being released, then it just shouldn’t be released. obviously I want it released, as I find this period of their courier absolutely fascinating. however, as I stated before, if the bandmembers don’t want it out there, then neither do I

Or maybe, and hear me out, you might be all wrong. There might be an even bigger plan. A plan that you or I have never even thought of.
Maybe there’s one copy of the set out there somewhere, and their plan is to sell it to the highest bidder

Why are you discounting what Jon is saying? Do you even know who he is?!

Gonna break it down for you.,.an “honored guest “ on the board is either someone who is affiliated with the band or has been at one point , in one way or another. They’re not “entitled fans”. 

It ok to admit there might be those of us who know just a little bit more than you. It’s ok to admit you’re wrong.

I personally don’t care who they are. Unless their name is Brian Wilson, Mike love, Al Jardine, or Bruce Johnston, Then my point still stands. Entitled fans are entitled

You should change your name to “septic tank” , because that post was completely full of sh*t.

Hey, Alan, Howie...your work on the set means nothing...you’re entitled too, because someone on a message board said so! Ya know, I could pick up the phone and call Stephen Desper and tell him his original work meant nothing either. I wonder if he is entitled.

I never said their work was not important, however, they should not have the final say on what happens to the set. That’s the thing about modifying other peoples art, you have to have the original creators permission. And clearly, in this case, the original creators of the music are not giving their permission.
This is the same reason why albums released after people die bother me as well. They didn’t have a say in if the public heard that or not

Or maybe, and hear me out, you might be all wrong. There might be an even bigger plan. A plan that you or I have never even thought of.
Maybe there’s one copy of the set out there somewhere, and their plan is to sell it to the highest bidder

Why are you discounting what Jon is saying? Do you even know who he is?!

Gonna break it down for you.,.an “honored guest “ on the board is either someone who is affiliated with the band or has been at one point , in one way or another. They’re not “entitled fans”. 

It ok to admit there might be those of us who know just a little bit more than you. It’s ok to admit you’re wrong.

I personally don’t care who they are. Unless their name is Brian Wilson, Mike love, Al Jardine, or Bruce Johnston, Then my point still stands. Entitled fans are entitled

Or maybe, and hear me out, you might be all wrong. There might be an even bigger plan. A plan that you or I have never even thought of.
Maybe there’s one copy of the set out there somewhere, and their plan is to sell it to the highest bidder

You're out of your depth on this one. It's okay to just back away. You have the guy who writes the liners and consults on these sets telling you what's going on. To continue to disagree is just trolling frankly.

That was a joke. There was actually A famous hip-hop group who did that. They announced an album, and said that it was finished, and it got a lot of media attention. And instead of releasing it to the public, they sold it to the highest bidder at 2.5 million dollars. that album still hasn’t been heard by the public. The original bidder still has it, and it’s been almost 8 years. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Beach boys would do something like that.
But no, I’m pretty sure that the reason for the delay has something to do with the bandmembers. And as I’ve stated, if they don’t want it released, then it shouldn’t be released. At the end of the day, the final decision should be left up to the original creators of the music.

Who can we start writing to to apply pressure?

Capital Records / BRI.
If it is Mike, writing to him will do nothing. Remember, this is the same guy who refused to budge on a trophy hunting event. and that was with main stream media scrutiny. I don’t think he’s gonna have any reaction to a couple fans sending him some angry letters and emails

Or maybe, and hear me out, you might be all wrong. There might be an even bigger plan. A plan that you or I have never even thought of.
Maybe there’s one copy of the set out there somewhere, and their plan is to sell it to the highest bidder

I’m going to ask this again...how long have you been a fan?

I could tell you that I’ve been there since the very first single, or I could tell you that I’ve only become a fan in the last month. But either way, it doesn’t change the fact that you’re not entitled to the set, you were never promised the set, and the only people who are justified in their anger are the people who worked on it.

If you weren't there in the Wilson's garage watching them write Surfin', can you really claim to be a fan?

It was written in their living room

I’m not “acting entitled”... I’m angry for the fans and for those who worked on it.  

I mainly just mad about the people that worked on it. The fans didn’t do anything. You haven’t paid any money for this set, you were not promised this set, so I have no reason to feel bad for you. And I’m including myself in that too, because as a fan, this does upset me. But I understand it’s my own entitlement that makes me upset.
And if it truly is canceled, of course I’m upset about that. But it’s not gonna diminish my enjoyment of the rest of their catalog

I’m sorry if I come off mean, but some of you people on this Board are so entitled.
Obviously I would love this set. I would love all the unreleased material that they have.
But the band and its members don’t Owe us anything. They don’t owe me the set, they’ve already given me 30 albums and dozens of compilations and other box sets.
And if you’re honestly going to stop being a fan, just because one box gets delayed or canceled, then you probably weren’t a real fan in the first place. A real fan would appreciate the music, not the politics.
And if this box does get canceled, don’t be mad because you don’t get to listen to it, be mad that people actually put work into it that is going to go unappreciated. Those are the people that are owed something

Not a real fan?! I’m going to try to say this as nice as possible, but if you think that way, then you are completely out of bounds.  I’m extremely pissed for those like Alan and Howie (both who are great guys )who put so much time and effort putting this together for what it looks like now, absolutely nothing.

I’m going to try to bite my tongue (fingers?) and avoid saying anything more in response to that asinine statement, as you obviously don’t know the first thing about me.

Clearly you didn’t read my whole post. You must’ve missed the part where I literally said, “ And if this box does get canceled, don’t be mad because you don’t get to listen to it, be mad that people actually put work into it that is going to go unappreciated. Those are the people that are owed something.”

There would be no band if there were no fans spending their money for 60 years on the product the band offers them. Simple as that. If company offering a product that their consumers don't want or are disappointed with take the stance "screw you, this is what you're getting, and we don't care what you say about it", that company would either sink like a stone or would need to rethink their consumer relations and PR because those consumers would desert them in droves. That's what some fans are feeling rather than "entitlement", and I have to say I agree with them.

Or we could talk about another greatest hits package.  

Yeah but see, here’s the thing. While there is a small dedicated group of fans like you and me who would love this set and eat it up, the bandmembers, the label, and everyone involved make way more money on those greatest hits packages. That’s where the real money is to be made. Is it irritating? Absolutely. But it is the truth.

No one is going to be "done" with The Beach Boys based on whether or not a box set comes out, and the label and band know this. It would probably be more constructive to discuss the topic without hyperbole and drama.

This! So basically what you people are saying is, if this box that doesn’t come out, you’re going to get rid of their whole catalog. You’re going to throw your smile sessions box out in the trash, snap your pet sounds vinyl in half, stick all the album covers in the shredder? That’s what you’re gonna do?

If it gets canceled I’m done with the band for good. Never thought I’d say that but the complete lack of regard to the fans is beyond f***ed up.

Please explain? Back in the 60s and 70s, when these albums were released, they never “promised” you or me anything. They have dozens and dozens of songs in the vaults, that they don’t have to release.
Obviously, if it were up to me, I would have them put out a 50 disc box with nothing but new mixes and unreleased material covering their entire career.
But unfortunately, that’s not up to me. But I’m not going to stop being a fan, just because I’m mad they’re not putting the material out that “I” want to hear.
If there are tracks that members don’t want officially released, it might upset me, but I respect them enough to understand their decision. Keep in mind that the made in California box was supposed to have Thank Him, My Solution and Cary Me Home on it, but it didn’t, because certain members of the band thought it would be insensitive and it made them uncomfortable to release them in a official capacity.
and as I said, while I wish that every single track was released, at the end of the day, it is the bandmembers choice to release or not to release, and if it makes them uncomfortable to release, then I completely respect their decision not to.
Now on the other hand, if this is actually just label politics, and searching for the right release date and the right price point, then I wish they’d quit the shenanigans, get there act together and release the damn thing.
But even if it never comes out, I’m still going to be a fan. Nothing will take away the decades of fantastic music they’ve given us, and at the end of the day, that’s what’s important

Have to ask...were you a fan back when the PS box was supposed to come out the first time but didn’t due to politics? This is seeming a lot like that time. It’s different when something doesn’t come out due to it being potentially embarrassing like, say, I’m begging you please. I have no issue with that. Hell, there’s stuff in my band’s back catalogue built up over the past 20 years I wouldn’t want released. That’s not the same as, “ooh we’re going to be releasing this....nope the liner notes aren’t as congratulatory towards one person as it could be...let’s delay it by a year because we can’t get along”.  As Howie mentioned above, it’s already been green lit by the label, which says all we need to know.

Even then, it still doesn’t matter. You were still never promised a set. If they want to delay it, cancel it, for any reason, it’s all up to them. It doesn’t matter a reason. If they want to cancel a set because they’re not happy that track three has a weird popping sound in the left channel, they can cancel it for just that reason.
So if Mike has a problem with the liner notes, or something like that, then it’s perfectly reasonable that the set doesn’t come out.
I’m not saying that it would make me happy, because it wouldn’t.
I’m not saying that it’s the right thing to do, because it’s not.
 I’m just saying that you can’t be so entitled, and think that they “owe” you the set

From the post I took it that it wasn’t the label but rather it was something else. That’s why I’m so pissed off right now. Complete lack of regard for the fans.

I agree with you Billy. The band has no regard for their fans. As somebody who owns probably 15 different "versions" of Pet Sounds, I am beyond frustrated.

Again, please explain this to me. The band doesn’t owe you anything

I never said that they owed me anything. I do not believe that they do. However, as a "paying customer", I think that we should have our voices heard as we have made them a lot of money over the years.

Yeah but see, as a paying customer, you’ve got the product you were promised. If you pay money to buy a vinyl of pet sounds, you’re going to get a vinyl of pet sounds. I would understand being mad if this box set went out for pre-order, and then after you put money into it it was canceled, but no. You haven’t paid money for the set, the set hasn’t been bought by anyone, so you have absolutely no reason to be mad other than the fact that you feel entitled that you deserve a set just for being a fan

I’m sorry if I come off mean, but some of you people on this Board are so entitled.
Obviously I would love this set. I would love all the unreleased material that they have.
But the band and its members don’t Owe us anything. They don’t owe me the set, they’ve already given me 30 albums and dozens of compilations and other box sets.
And if you’re honestly going to stop being a fan, just because one box gets delayed or canceled, then you probably weren’t a real fan in the first place. A real fan would appreciate the music, not the politics.
And if this box does get canceled, don’t be mad because you don’t get to listen to it, be mad that people actually put work into it that is going to go unappreciated. Those are the people that are owed something

From the post I took it that it wasn’t the label but rather it was something else. That’s why I’m so pissed off right now. Complete lack of regard for the fans.

I agree with you Billy. The band has no regard for their fans. As somebody who owns probably 15 different "versions" of Pet Sounds, I am beyond frustrated.

Again, please explain this to me. The band doesn’t owe you anything

If it gets canceled I’m done with the band for good. Never thought I’d say that but the complete lack of regard to the fans is beyond f***ed up.

Please explain? Back in the 60s and 70s, when these albums were released, they never “promised” you or me anything. They have dozens and dozens of songs in the vaults, that they don’t have to release.
Obviously, if it were up to me, I would have them put out a 50 disc box with nothing but new mixes and unreleased material covering their entire career.
But unfortunately, that’s not up to me. But I’m not going to stop being a fan, just because I’m mad they’re not putting the material out that “I” want to hear.
If there are tracks that members don’t want officially released, it might upset me, but I respect them enough to understand their decision. Keep in mind that the made in California box was supposed to have Thank Him, My Solution and Cary Me Home on it, but it didn’t, because certain members of the band thought it would be insensitive and it made them uncomfortable to release them in a official capacity.
and as I said, while I wish that every single track was released, at the end of the day, it is the bandmembers choice to release or not to release, and if it makes them uncomfortable to release, then I completely respect their decision not to.
Now on the other hand, if this is actually just label politics, and searching for the right release date and the right price point, then I wish they’d quit the shenanigans, get there act together and release the damn thing.
But even if it never comes out, I’m still going to be a fan. Nothing will take away the decades of fantastic music they’ve given us, and at the end of the day, that’s what’s important

Nope, it’s going to cover the 1987-1992 period, with never before herd unreleased material from the summer in paradise sessions

Crud.

I was secretly hoping for box of nothing but every vocal take from the "Kokomo" session complete with backing tracks, and as a bonus to the first 5,000 sets sold: conversations about who didn't invite Brian.

Oh that’s on there too. Disk 3 is entirely dedicated to every interview clip where Mike mentions that “HE” in fact came up with the hook

Pardon my ignorance, but, will this likely cover the 1969-1971 era (Sunflower & Surf's Up) as indicated by this Redditor?

Nope, it’s going to cover the 1987-1992 period, with never before herd unreleased material from the summer in paradise sessions

A few more things on this set, based on some comments here and also some comments on the other BB board that seem to be guessing/assuming certain things:

To reiterate what I mentioned before, it's important to read some of these previous posts. Simply put, there's a difference between "I wish you could hear this set" and "I can't wait for you to hear this set!"

What I feel we have now is a rallying point for fans to tell the band and other pertinent parties that this set should be released, and released now.

To be clear, this isn't about fans being impatient. We're not Veruca Salt-ing when we say the set needs to be released now. "Release the set now!" means that the set needs to be saved, and we're trying to help the band realize all of the great opportune things that could come from putting this set out, and to help them realize how foolhardy it would be to postpone or cancel the set continually. 

"Feel Flows" should be calendared for November (give or take), and BRI and Capitol/UMG should be working on arranging a live stream YouTube video round table with Howie hosting and talking to Boyd, Linett, and Brian, Al, Bruce, and Mike about this set/era/material. There are ten thousand examples in the industry to follow, only the BBs have the best material to be doing it with. Think about how little there is left to say for a panel of people doing a "Back to the Future" reunion panel discussion, and then think about how substantive a big honkin' Beach Boys boxed set with a round table discussion from the band and archive team could be.

The opportunities are endless, and all we have right now is a Japanese CD reissue of "Ten Years of Harmony" that seven completist fans will buy.

Eh, I doubt it. They’re probably just waiting for the perfect time to release it. They couldn’t release it in the spring, because of the pandemic. They could release it right now, but it probably wouldn’t get as many purchases as they’re hoping it will. So the best time to release it is right around Black Friday, that November December time frame.
I highly doubt that it’s because of band politics. It might be, but I highly doubt that.
Also, if it truly has been packaged, mixed, mastered, and there’s artwork and everything already made, they have to at least release something to recuperate their money on making the set. This stuff ain’t free.

Honestly, the only thing I’m worried about is them messing up a remix to All I Wanna Do.
I have faith, but every other track seems pretty easy to remix. For example, there’s not a lot of ways to mess up a forever remix, or a tears in the morning remix. But All I Wanna Do is such an intricate and produce to perfection song, but if done even slightly wrong, a new remix can Destroy the mood and feeling of the original.