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176  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys '74-'76 on: February 26, 2006, 06:59:06 AM
      Here's what Jack Rieley had to say in October 1996 about some of the things you're talking about...


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...The Beach Boys has been a bitter power
struggle since shortly after the beginning. Brian Wilson, Dennis Wilson
and Carl Wilson represented the creative side: the appeal to musical
beauty and romance and funk and get-down and freakz/fanz; Love, Jardine
and Johnston represented unbridled commercialism and power.  Before I
got there, Love, Jardine and Johnston had control. Because Brian or
Dennis often didn't bother to show up for meetings, the vote was general
2-3 against them.

When I arrived and changed the group's direction, it signalled a change
in the power-center as well.  With the backing of Brian, Dennis and
Carl, I fired Johnston, who had stymied the group's creative
cohesiveness. At the same time I encouraged the Wilsons to act as a
unit. Votes shifted to 3-2.

Interestingly, Beach Boys record and live revenues soared in that
period, having suffered heavily in the period that ended with the sales
debacles 20/20 and Sunflower.

Upon my depature, the Wilsons went back to disarray.  Carl was going
through terrible domestic problems. Dennis was having a divorce. Brian
adjusted poorly to life back in Belair after his highly creative,
physically positive (he rode a bicycle daily and lost weight) stay in
The Netherlands.

Love and Jardine saw the hole in their armour and rammed through to
renewed supremacy.  Their musical/ideological vision of the Beach Boys
was totally different from that represented during my period there. 
Love's bitter resentment of Brian's musical genius and his newly re-won
power meant it was back to shuck and jive.  Within a year the Beach Boys
had returned to the state they were in before I came along, but with
revenues built upon those generated during the Surfs Up, So Tough,
Holland, Live In Concert period.

Could this have been prevented?  The Wilsons should have determined my
successor. They did not.

    - Jack

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177  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: February 25, 2006, 02:40:56 PM


For all we know, it coulda been Jack Rieley's idea...

C-Man


For all we know it could have been the Man in the Moon's idea... 

        ...but from everything I've read it was all Mike Love's idea.



By the way, I absolutely love the song. 


So take that, H.  It's not only you "Heavenly, So-much-better-than-us, MiKe Love lovers" who love the song. 


And, heck, I love the song even though I don't find much to say musically about these simple blues progressions.  Some of the more popular progressions are fun to listen to in certain instances.  But when there are hundreds, nay thousands, of songs based on the exact same few simple chord progressions (which usually come with the exact same melody) it doesn't mean every one of those thousands of  minor variations are great.  In fact, in may case, I get bored very quickly with just a few iterations of these forms.  In fact, I don't care that much for "Cell Block #9", but I do love "Student Demostration Time".  It probably has to do with the great production of the song, the lyrics, which I find clever, and perhaps the fact that I grew up in that era and I heard the song soon after it came out.


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
178  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: February 15, 2006, 12:18:54 PM
Charles, how in the world did you dig that up?!   :D   (You must have been one of the 40 people to get one, otherwise I don't see how you could have remembered that offer!)

It's a shame the offer wasn't for a full concert, that would be a super nice video to have.


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
179  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's Idea was it to put Sloop John B on PS--Brian's or Capitol's? on: February 15, 2006, 06:47:43 AM
I just want to chime in and say this has turned into a very good thread! I love the fact that the SJB bashers are, for once, in the minority. It fits it's spot on PS to a T!!! Fact!!!


Alright, let me try to get it the other way, then!   Grin

I love "Sloop John B", but it doesn't work at all on the Pet Sounds album for me.  It feels totally out of place and one of these days I'm going to finally burn me a copy that doesn't have "Sloop John B" and has the speed corrected version of "Caroline, No", then I'll have my perfect version of "Pet Sounds".    Cool

Love and merci,   Dan Lega
180  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: February 15, 2006, 06:31:43 AM
What ever happened to this video?  We've got a live CD of Al Jardine's Family & Friends from Vegas, but we certainly don't have any video of a full concert.  It's a shame this hasn't been released.  Where exactly was it filmed?  Were all three women on stage for this show -- Carnie, Wendy, and Owen Eliot?


Love and merci,  Dan Lega
181  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 09, 2006, 07:26:57 AM
From my understanding it was Brian and Al sharing the song and then it was Brian playing piano on SC.  Huh


Sorry, but I'm confused as to what you mean by this.  Are you talking about the Holland tape or the Beach Boys' recording of the song?  Thanks.

Love and merci,   Dan Lega
182  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 07, 2006, 12:14:52 PM
     Once again, from Susan's board comes correspondence from the gentleman who owns said tape in question...


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jossainjoku


   Re: Brian in Holland
« Reply #21 on: Today at 02:33 PM » 

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I got a mail from Hans.  Here it is:



with a little bit of wonder and amusement i follow the discussions on the groups about my sound snippet.
 
I was  a pop journalist at the time, writing for the dutch magazine OOR (ear).
and in that capacity, anfd thru my friendship with the people at Warner Bros, I met Diane and Marylin, when they did press in Holland for their then released album SPRING.  they gave me a nice Beach Boys record bag, with rhinestones which i still have, and we had a great time, They both signed my SPRING album,
a picture you can find at: http://rapidshare.de/files/12749011/sign2.jpg
--
the album it self is in my archives.
 
after  a while when the boys moved to holland , marylin called me to come over to the house in Laren.  It was there that i first met brian, and when he told me, that he did not have a recorder there, i lent him mine.  the tape was on it, when he came back..
 
 
183  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: February 07, 2006, 07:22:21 AM
Thanks to Dan Lega for supplying them, and Andrew Gladwin for posting them, we've got more Desper archives over at Cabinessence.net: 
http://www.surfermoon.com/essays/desperarchive2.html


It's not much that I had to offer, but I guess every little bit helps.  You'll find the new posts are near the end of the archive, in November 2002, and then the very last couple of posts, which are in December.


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
184  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 07, 2006, 07:12:11 AM
I found the post below at Susan's board, where I first read about the snippet. 

(PS -- Andrew, how's it going with the Spatializer and "The Fairy Tale" tape?)    Smiley



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jossainjoku


    Re: Brian in Holland
« Reply #12 on: 05 Feb 2006 »   

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I mailed Hanszun,the owner of the original demo,just to let him know people are talking about this tape.This is a quote from his mail:           

will you tell mikey, thanks
 
and everybody else it was brian, it was on my own recorder.
 
marilyn and i became friends during that time, my wife baked bread for both brian and dennis
and his family, and brian  and marylin even came to my house in amsterdam, where i gave him some albums by the dutch group Supersister which he liked apparently.
 
when you go through the archives of my blog you ll find a christmas card that brian and marilyn
send me...                                                                                                                                                   

Here´s that card if you´re interested: http://hanszunblog.blogspot.com/2005/12/december-1-merry-xmas-from-brian.html#links   
185  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 06, 2006, 06:57:28 AM
  I love the line about "if children had wings, we wouldn't need birds."  That's sooo Brian. 


Remember, "Little Child" is NOT a Brian Wilson composition.  It's apparently a traditional French song with new and/or translated English lyrics.  You can find recordings of the song elsewhere.  Here is some more info on the song...



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Liner Notes

George Winston

"Forest"


Track 7. Mon Enfant (My Child) 3:20
A traditional children’s piece, also recorded as a guitar solo for the
soundtrack SADAKO AND THE THOUSAND PAPER CRANES, with narration by Liv
Ullmann (Dancing Cat Records). Great versions of this song have also
been recorded by guitarist Ralph Towner (DIARY – ECM Records) and by
guitarist Wes Montgomery (TEQUILA – Verve Records, under the title
Little Child, Daddy Dear), with strings arranged by Claus Ogerman.


Then there were these additions to the original liner notes on the web, too...


Track #7 - Mon Enfant (My Child)
New Paragraph: A traditional French piece which also goes by the title The Little Boy and the Old Man. The song was also adapted and given new lyrics by composer Wayne Shanklin in 1954 with the title Little Child (Daddy Dear) - (Wayne Shanklin also composed the song The Big Hurt which was a hit for singer Toni Fisher in 1959. I also recorded this as a guitar solo for the soundtrack SADAKO AND THE THOUSAND PAPER CRANES, with narration by Liv Ullmann. Great instrumental guitar versions of this song have also been recorded by Ralph Towner on his album DIARY, as a guitar solo (ECM records) under the name Mon Enfant and under the same title by guitarist Wes Montgomery on his album TEQUILA, under the name Little Child (Daddy Dear).






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From the ASCAP website...


LITTLE CHILD (DADDY DEAR) (Title Code: 420047247)
Call the ASCAP Clearance line at: (212) 621-6160.


I called the number and asked who the composer was and they said Wayne Shanklin.


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The song "Little Child" can be found on the Verve Records
album "Tequila" by Wes Montgomery.


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186  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 05, 2006, 01:02:40 PM
Andrew, listen to Brian doing the Fairy Tale music on "Get The Boot" through your spatializer.  If you come back and tell us that sounds like Al Jardine, too, then we'll have our answer.   Wink


PS -- You don't need to hear the extraneous whistling to know that there are at least two people in the room.  Brian is obviously playing the song for someone and even comes right out and asks the other person(s) what they think of it.


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
187  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 04, 2006, 08:46:46 PM
I just went back to the website where the original download is and I noticed that it said the song you download will disappear from your computer in 30 days.  Is this true?  If so, how does it happen?

Love and merci,   Dan Lega
188  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 04, 2006, 08:38:52 PM
I'm gonna stick with my original stance that's it Brian singing both songs.  The first song sounds exactly like Brian and exactly NOT like Alan.  The second is admittedly a little lower fidelity on the vocals, so I can't be as sure about who is singing it, but still, I would put a lot of money on it being Brian's voice, too.


Also, I know only one person said it so far, but "Little Child (Daddy Dear)" is obviously NOT a Brian written song.  If it was a Brian song then we wouldn't have the lyrics and other info on the song that I put in the very first post with the links.  Please read that first post again and think about editing your original post so that other people don't start thinking that Brian wrote the song. 

Love and merci,   Dan Lega
189  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Rare song -- Brian playing "Susie Cincinnati" and "Little Child" in Holland! on: February 03, 2006, 08:38:39 AM

    A recording of Brian in Holland!  I found a link to this on
Susan's Shut Down board.  It has Brian trying to sing a song
apparently called "Little Child".  (I reprinted a version of the full
lyrics below.)  It also has Brian doing "Susie Cincinnati".  Now why
he would be doing this a few years after it was recorded and put on
the "B" side of a single?  In fact, why would he be doing it all since
it was supposedly an Al Jardine song?  Did Brian write some, or a lot,
of the tune?  Wouldn't surprise me if he did.  I hope you can download
it!

http://www.shutdown-vol2.com/forum/index.php?topic=91.msg0#new




*************



(Here's the intro to the tape from the website...)


When Brian Wilson and the other Beach Boys ,recorded Holland in
Holland, I lent Brian a small UHER reel to reel tape recorder, so he
could have something for ideas at home...
when i got it back, when he left for the usa again, it still had some
music and parts of a song on a tape.

here is that song... I have a feeling that it is not one of his own,
but that he simply liked it.

for an upload of your choice from the wall of tapes, (just ask,i may
have it )

who can tell me what that song is ?

it just struck me that nobody in the world has ever heard this, since
1970...

http://rapidshare.de/files/12334948/brian_in_holland.mp3

-hansZUN



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LITTLE CHILD

Daddy dear, tell me please, is the world really round?
Tell me where is the bluebird of happiness found?
Tell me why is the sky up above so blue?
And when you were a child did your daddy tell you
What becomes of the sun when it falls into the sea
And who lights it again bright as bright can be?
Tell me why can't I fly without wings through the skies?
Tell me why, Daddy dear, are there tears in your eyes?

Little one, little one, yes, the world's really round
And the bluebird you search for will surely be found
And the sky up above is so blue and clear so that
You'll see the bluebird if it should come near
And the sun doesn't fall when it slips out of sight
All it does is make way for the moon's pretty light
And if children could fly there'd be no need for birds
And I cry, little one, 'cause I'm touched by your words

Don't be sad, Daddy dear, if it's true the world's round
I will search 'round the world till the bluebird is found
Little one, there's no need to wander too far
For what you really seek is right here where you are
Show me where, Daddy dear, and here's what I will do
I will take the dear bluebird and give it to you
Dear, the bluebird's the love in your heart pure and true
And I found it the day heaven blessed me with you!"

I also found, at
http://www.dancingcat.com/dancingcat/notes/01934-11157-2.shtml the
following:

'Mon Enfant has an unknown origin. "I've heard it by guitarist Ralph
Towner and under the name Little Child, Daddy Dear by guitarist Wes
Montgomery and by bandleader Spike Jones," George says. "and also in a
movie. The first lines of the lyrics are 'Daddy dear, Daddy dear, is
the world really round?/Tell me where is the Bluebird of Happiness
found.' I don't know if it's originally French. I've been told there
are other versions, one on an old 78 rpm. If anybody knows more about
the history of this song, I'd like to know.




*********************

 
190  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: NEW live CD on: January 20, 2006, 02:22:27 PM
A live CD of an early 90s tour plus individual tracks by Brian, Mike and Al sounds pretty darn lame.
They're doing it to take the p!ss I'm sure. That's the only explanation. There's a wealth of super stuff out there - 70s live stuff, Dennis's stuff,  erm SMILE - and they choose to release a live CD of 1990s era BBs? It's a joke. Utter bastards.

This is all based on the rumours. If I'm wrong then I'm sorry. Ever so sorry.


At Susan's first convention we were privy to listen to one or two tracks played from the '93 tour, and, man, they totally blew me away!  If they are putting that stuff out, then I, for one, will be ecstatic!

Love and merci,   Dan Lega
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