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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This should've been the cover of the SMiLE LP ;) on: February 20, 2007, 11:39:40 AM
I saw someone wearing this not too long ago on a subway here in New York.  It was really funny because I couldn't believe what I thought I saw, and the woman who was wearing it promptly put her arms or her bag in front of the shirt as she sat down on the subway seat -- so I had to keep taking peeks at her for many, many stops to see if I could finally get a good look at the shirt!  And finally I did.  Smiley  The one she was wearing was slightly different than the one in the picture, it had the word "recycle" underneath the "SMiLE", too.  So it's not really a Beach Boys/Brian Wilson SMiLE shirt, it's a shirt with an ecological message. 

Love and merci,  Dan Lega
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Alan Boyd Thread on: February 19, 2007, 12:57:17 PM

Thanks for that link!  I'd love to see this whole concert, and others like it from this time.  I'm dying to see Mike Love in his guru outfit singing "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "Barbara Ann".  (I wonder if he ever did "Long Tall Texan" in that get-up?!)

Alan, I hope you've got, or are trying to get hold of this video.  It's priceless.

Love and merci,  Dan Lega
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian version of God only knows on: February 14, 2007, 07:01:55 AM


     Some of you have mentioned hearing a demo of the Brian Wilson/Burt Bacharach song.  Where did you hear this, if I may ask?


        Love and merci,   Dan Lega
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Christian Love joins Mike & Bruce's Endless Sounds of Summer Travelling Jukebox on: October 27, 2006, 11:58:49 AM

     From what I understand Mike forced his idea of the setlist down the others' throats.  And it hasn't been five years that he's been changing the setlist in a major way, it's only the the past two, hasn't it?


           Love and merci,   Dan Lega
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Christian Love joins Mike & Bruce's Endless Sounds of Summer Travelling Jukebox on: October 27, 2006, 08:50:48 AM


It is so simple and I don't understand why we BB/BW nuts/diehards can't accept it. Mike Love is a proponent of the "give the fans what they want" school of rock and roll performance. Has been and always will be. WE ARE THE MINORITY. We are 1 out of every 100 Beach Boys fans. We are 1% of the people who go to Beach Boys' concerts. Mike plays for the other 99%...



Okay, so maybe the hardcores are only 1% of the audience, I don't think that gives him the right to exclude us from consideration when making the setlist.  Us hardcores are the ones who buy tickets to shows most every year, whereas casual fans come less often.  Also, hardcore fans buy almost every album whereas casual fans only buy a greatest hits CD, if that.  Mike should have been catering to both groups every year.  Besides, you're not going to lose casual fans by playing 5 to 10 album tracks a show, while still playing 20 to 30 hits every show, too.  His setlists were an insult to hardcore fans.  Hardcore fans deserve respect, too.

Me, I don't care that Mike and Bruce go by the name of "The Beach Boys".  Doesn't really bug me.  However, to not cater to the hardcore fan for more than 20 years of touring really stuck in my craw.  And all his bluster over the years that they just "couldn't" play the rarities, because people would walk out of the show or never come back, is now being shown for the lie that it was as we can all see he's doing fine playing the rarities now.

As for Mike and Bruce being more daring with their setlists than Brian is, that is just skewed logic in triplicate!


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What releases would you like to see in the future? on: October 26, 2006, 01:22:03 PM
Another two-discer, some of it's a bit lousy songwise, but it'd be nice to have it in good quality:

1:

Back Home [1963] / Side Two / What'd I Say? [live] / Girls on the Beach [session excerpt, Mike's "joke" vocal] into / Girls on the Beach [vocals only] / Honda 55 / Don't Back Down [live] / Karen / She Knows Me Too Well [first version] / Please Let Me Wonder [Mike vocal] / Kiss Me Baby [track only] / Help Me, Rhonda [session excerpt] into / Help Me, Rhonda [live 1966] / Girl Don't Tell Me [alternate version] / Sandy / Papa-oom-mow-mow [live 1965] / Fun, Fun, Fun [live 1965] / Sherry She Needs Me / I Should Have Known Better [slower version] / The Times They Are A-Changin' [no overdubs] / Riot In Cell Block #9 /  California Girls [Party!] / Blowin' In The Wind / Smokey Joe's Cafe / Satisfaction / You're So Good To Me [live 1966] / You've Got To Hide Your Love Away [live 1966] / God Only Knows [live 1966] / Barbara-Ann [live] / Cabinessence [vocals only] / Child Is Father Of The Man

2:

Water chant / Mrs. O'Leary's Cow / Look / Little Red Book / The Letter / Game Of Love / I Was Made To Love Her [with tag] / With A Little Help From My Friends [pitch corrected] / Mona Kanau [sp?] / All I Want To Do [live] / Slip On Through [session excerpt / alternate take] / I'm Going Your Way / Rock And Roll Woman [live] / Over The Waves / Walkin' / Back Home [1970] / Awake [demo] / Your Song [live] / Lady / Sound of Free / Til I Die [demo] / My Solution / Wouldn't It Be Nice? [live 1970] / Seasons In The Sun / Telephone Backgrounds on a Clear Day / Okie From Muskogee [live] / Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again? / I've Got A Friend [live]

That would cover the first decade nicely for me.



    Can you please tell me about "Telephone Backgrounds on a Clear Day"?  I think I've heard everything else on your list, but this title doesn't ring a bell at all.  Thanks.


               Love and merci,    Dan Lega
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Alan Boyd Thread on: September 27, 2006, 01:23:32 PM
     Hi, Alan!  It seems like a very long wait for the Beach Boys Central Store to open!  I hope the delay is because you plan on opening up with a bang.  I thinking of something along the lines of instrumental only and vocal only mixes for every album to start the sale?   Am I right?    3D    (Or am I just looking through rose colored glasses?)


      Love and merci,   Dan Lega
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: September 22, 2006, 02:46:25 PM
     Steve, I also meant to ask you if you had talked to Alan Boyd lately.  You know he's trying to set up a Beach Boys Store where he'll be selling rare recordings both over the internet and by CD, right?  I would imagine he would love to have all the Flames material be a part of the "merchandise" available at the site.   Or has he said that such a release will not be possible on that site, too?


        Love and merci,    Dan Lega
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: September 22, 2006, 08:30:32 AM
     Stephen, as I said before I think "technically" you are on sound legal ground.  And as I said, that doesn't mean you can't be sued.  But I think the most likely case would be that they give you time to "cease and desist" before they filed a lawsuit against you. 

     I also think your best bet to limit any culpability is to just give out a few copies.  If they do get upset and try to sue, then you'll have less liability because you only made a few copies for academic purposes.  And if you do only give out a few copies I think the online Beach Boy group is pretty friendly and will gladly redistribute the disc to other folk.  If anyone who gets one of the discs promises to make three copies and send it out free to other folk, who then agree to send out three free discs, etc., etc., then the disc will get around very quickly I think. 

     Also, maybe some of us can check Ebay everyday to see if anyone is selling your disc.  If so, then we can easily contact Ebay and tell them that listing is a bootleg and Ebay will take it down.  This will keep you from any liability in that instance.  Take care, Steve!

        Love and merci,   Dan Lega
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: September 21, 2006, 08:30:27 AM
     Steve, I think you're on legally solid ground with your plan.  However, that doesn't mean you can't be sued.  Whoever sues you might not win -- but you may have to spend an awful lot of money to win.  And that would be akin to losing.

     Here are my suggestions, either...  1)  Call BRI and ask them if they would be averse to your plan to distribute the discs to your small but rabid audience who have already spent hundreds, if not thousands on Beach Boy products,  (which includes paying for concerts, T-shirts, as well as CD's and DVD's.)   2)  Go ahead and just do it, and if someone or BRI asks you to stop or face a lawsuit, then just stop and hopefully no harm done.  3)  To minimize your involvement, say you will only give out a few copies, (10 or 20 or so,) and that's final, and hope that the people you gave copies to will make copies for others who are interested.


         Hope you're feeling better these days!     

                  Love and merci,   Dan Lega
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian article on: September 08, 2006, 01:55:59 PM
I read your post holeypolecat, and you said...  "Did he (Brian) feel better after he did it?  Not really the point to me."  Not really the point to you?  Why not?  Since when is the end result not part of the equation?  And for MBE, as Amy B. pointed out what I was alluding to was the fact that the folks on your side of the debate keep acting like there is some real underhanded coercion or something nefarious in the way that David Leaf and Melinda have gotten Brian to be productive.  Please let me know what you know.  As far as I know all they did was tell Brian that they thought it would good for him to be productive and ask him if would go along with plans they would like to set up.  Brian said yes -- and, by God, he followed through with it!  Yeah, it was scary and hard work for him, but I don't see him complaining that it was his wife's idea to do "SMiLE".  Sure, we all wish it had been his idea from the start, but seeing as it wasn't doesn't mean it still wasn't a great experience for him!

I went to music school, and the first time I had play piano in front of my classmates I was incredibly nervous.  My hands were literally shaking and I didn't play very well.  However, I lived through it and got more and more comfortable playing in front of people as each year went by.  Finally in my last year when I had to do it again I really fed off the vibe of playing live.  I was totally in the moment and played the piano piece better in front of a live audience than I ever played it in the practice room -- which was a total opposite of how things happened when I first started.  And let me tell you, that was a great, great feeling!  I'll never forget that sense of how into it I was.   So, yes, Brian admitted himself to the hospital during an early "SMiLE" practice session... but checked himself out when his wife showed up and went out to dinner with her.  He then went through all the practices for "SMiLE" and then... performed it in front a huge crowd.  He didn't chicken out, he sang every single note and didn't miss an entrance.  He says he was very scared to do it, but felt better almost as soon as they started, and was really glad to have finished it.  He's seems to be in much better spirits now, so please tell where the harm was -- and how sitting on his ass doing nothing would have been better.  From what I can see Brian felt much better about himself and life after finishing "SMiLE".  That's the evidence I'm seeing.


              Love and merci,   Dan Lega


(Once again, as for my sign-off, I didn't choose that sign-off to try and tell everybody that I was some kind of truly enlightened being.  I'm a human being and I get pissed off sometime and I'm not going to let my signature get in my way.  I chose the signature only because I thought it was a clever twist of "Love And Mercy".  However, if you ever do see me leave the signature off, that's when you'll know I'm truly indignant!)   Cool Guy
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love's Lawsuit Dismissed on: September 08, 2006, 12:24:18 PM
Thanks so much for sending me the whole kit and kaboodle.  It gave me a headache reading it, all the legalese, you know, but it's interesting to peruse.  Please keep us updated on further developments!


       Love and merci,   Dan Lega
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love's Lawsuit Dismissed on: September 07, 2006, 02:35:45 PM
Believe me, I've been hanging on every word you've posted.  Thank you so much.  And I'd love to see the PDF, too.  I'll PM as requested.


         Love and merci,   Dan Lega
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian article on: September 07, 2006, 02:31:57 PM


    For you people who say there is something almost criminal in what is being done to Brian, that there are mean people who are forcing him to do things he doesn't want to do, please let me know how you know it is best for Brian to do nothing.  Please, give me your professional expertise on how Brian sitting on his ass and doing nothing is better for Brian than what Melinda and David Leaf have gotten Brian to do.  At least give me some examples of people who have sat on their ass and done nothing and were much the better for it, as compared to when they were being socially and financially constructive. 

     (And are you telling me that never once in your life have you been scared to do something but did it anyway and found out afterward that you were really glad you did it -- or were at least you glad you tried it?)

    So, please, tell me how you KNOW that Brian would be better off if he had retired ten years ago.  Please describe to me the horrible consequences that have taken place because Brian has been pushed to be active these past ten years.  Once you do that you might have a point.  As it is, your point is ridiculous and pitiful. 

    Just so you know, this is what your whining comes across as... "Oh, Brian has given us so much already he shouldn't be made into a trained monkey and forced to perform for us!"   Well, if that's all the brain capacity that Brian has left, then yes, I would probably agree with you that he shouldn't be made to perform.  However, first you've got to prove to me that Brian has that much brain damage.  And if you can't prove to me that Brian is as brain damaged as that, then as I said above, you have to prove to me a productive human being is worse off than an unproductive one.  Especially one who is productive doing what he loves the most, which in this case is writing, recording, and performing music.

     As for people who are intimating that David Leaf and Melinda are doing who knows what to Brian (Chinese water torture?  Locking him in a cage?  Making him eat his vegetables?) I just think that is sick.  Either say what you know and back it up with evidence or keep your trap shut, I say.  How exactly are unfounded *secret* rumors supposed to help us?!?!


           Love and merci,   Dan Lega
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: September 07, 2006, 06:35:12 AM
It's only $17.13 at Amazon.com.  I don't know how much postage and handling is, though.


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Mark Linett Thread on: August 30, 2006, 07:44:16 AM

    I just ordered the new "Pet Sounds" 40th Anniversary CD -- but now I'm reading that the CD has a credit for the Joe Gastwirt(SP?) 2000 Mono mix instead of a brand new mono mix from the recently discovered master; there's a drop-out in Sloop John B in the mono master that doesn't appear on any other CD's; and there are problems with some of the video transfers.  (For more info, see the other topic about it on this board.)  Any comment on these comments, Mark?


       Love and merci,   Dan Lega


117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did I strike gold? on: August 24, 2006, 07:42:11 AM


     I must have payed about the same price when it first came out -- and as far as I remember mine did not have a replica booklet in it!  Looks like a great deal to me.


             Love and merci,   Dan Lega
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: August 21, 2006, 01:35:29 PM
     So I finished Peter's book.  The best parts were the "Brian in high school" stories, and what seemed to me to be new info from David Sandler, Stan Love, and Andy Paley.  Am I right that these guys were all interviewed newly for this book?

     I'd have to guess that Cam and his cohorts are not going to like this book in the least, though.  Mike Love seems to be painted as the "villain" of the story just as much, or more, than he was in David Leaf's book.  Now this doesn't bother me in the least, as I think Mike has made some really stupid choices through the years.  But I don't think it's going to sit well with some members of this board.

      Anyway, it's a very nice addition to the growing Beach Boys bookshelf.  I'm eagerly awaiting the David Marks book now.  Hopefully both of these books will sell quite well and open the gates up for even more books about our favorite band!


                 Love and merci,   Dan Lega


 
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: August 18, 2006, 06:34:54 AM

   Where did you read that the first contact was made by Frank's lawyer?  No one said that.  In fact, Mark said Frank and he were working together and produced a T-shirt before complications set in.


          Love and merci,   Dan Lega
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: August 17, 2006, 06:46:54 AM

     Just a little more on Frank Holmes and the deal that fell through.  (Where is the archive with all this stuff for new folks to go through?!)

     Management (essentially Melinda, I believe) kept asking Frank what dollar amount he thought he should get if they used his art.  Frank then asked how and how much they were going to use his art?  Was this a license for all time or a one time use in the program booklet?  Management came back and only asked how money he needed.  Frank asked again for clarification of how and how much they were going to use his art.  Management again asked only how much he needed.  Well, Frank threw out a ball park number -- which was equivalent to what it was costing for them to pay wages and costs of one member of the band for a month and a half.  Frank thought if they didn't like that number that they would then finally come in and discuss his questions and try to see if they could out a mutually agreeable deal.  However, management just flatly refused his offer.  No discussion whatsoever.  Just a "We think that's way too much money to ask.  Goodbye."

      ... and that was that.

            Love and merci,   Dan Lega
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: August 15, 2006, 07:36:31 AM

      Whether you think some of their other songs are lecherous or not, I still defy anyone to show me one line in "I Wanna Pick You Up", other than the opening line, that even comes close to something that hasn't been done innocently with babies for generation upon generation upon generation.  "Pat her on the butt"?  Please tell me one time you haven't held a baby and didn't pat him or her on the butt!

      Okay, I admit, I totally forgot about Brian saying the song was about someone wanting to treat his girlfriend like a little baby.  That is really weird.  Still, I defy you to show one instance in this song (again, other than the jokey opening line) that gives any impression of the sort.  I'm not talking about inferences you want to pull from other songs, I'm talking about this song only.  But why would Brian give such a weird explanation as this?  I don't rightfully know.  Perhaps because he was embarassed about writing a cute little song about a baby and thought that something as innocent as that would not sell to teenagers?  That's the only "rational" explanation I can come up with, otherwise, I really don't have the foggiest clue.  But remember, Brian is known for the "put on".  Also, he's lied about so many things over the years, and what was that weird answer he gave to what constitutes "The Elements" in SMiLE -- something like "H&V" is earth and "Good Vibrations" is air, etc.  Brian doesn't always answer every question truthfully.   

      Someone said something about "don't defend Brian with 'Oh, that's just Brian'".  I guess I am defending him, but I'm not defending him from being a lecherous old man or a child molester, because first you have to prove to me that there is evidence that Brian in his thirties was a lecherous old man or a child molester.  If there was any evidence he did these things I would not defend him.  Just as no one defends him being out of his mind and offering hard drugs to his children.  You can say Brian is lecherous because he wrote songs about teenage girls when he was in his thirties.  However, that is not really enough evidence.  As far as we know he never did anything with teenagers when he was that age, so I don't have to defend him from being a true lech.  Also, if you look carefully as songs such as "Roller Skating Child", "Let Us Go On This Way", and, yes, even "Hey Little Tomboy" you'll find that they were most likely written in the voice of a teenaged male.  There's not a single line is any of those songs that suggest that the protaganist is a much older male.  Therefore, I don't even have to defend him for writing numerous lecherous songs because in my view he didn't.  Okay, now we get to "Lazy Lizzie".  I'll admit, this does seem to be a song with strictly lecherous overtones, but it's the only one you can make an airtight case for.  And since we have no evidence that Brian really was lecherous, then I don't see why you need to condemn the man and all his other songs for one song that is a bit unsettling and unpleasant.   

       
             Love and merci,   Dan Lega
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: August 14, 2006, 01:32:46 PM

    Sorry, but I think it says much more about you than about the Beach Boys to say you find some weird sexual vibe in "I Wanna Pick You Up". 

    Even if some of the other songs have a vaguely lecherous feel (which I don't think they do,) I still don't see how anything other than the obviously jokey title has anything even remotely sexual in it.  As for "Rolling Skating Child" and "Let Us Go This Way" being lecherous, yes, the songs were written by a guy in his mid 30's, but I think it's plainly clear that Brian wrote from the viewpoint of male teenager, not a 35 year old guy.  I don't find the songs lecherous at all.


           Love and merci,    Dan Lega
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Peter Ames Carlin Thread on: August 14, 2006, 07:32:37 AM
     I'm a little more than halfway through the book.  It's definitely a good read and I'll have more to say later on, but I just read Peter's description of "I'm Wanna Pick You Up" and I have to say I was really upset by it.  Yes, I've read a few other people write essentially the same thing on the internet, but it didn't disturb me as much as seeing it in print in a real book.  Peter, I don't have any idea how you come up with your disturbing ideas about the song.  The second line of the song goes, "Cribs and cradles and bottles and toys, are part of joys they bring".  Now from there, how anyone could misinterpret the rest of song, which perfectly describes all things that parents do with children, into being some extremely weird sexual song is way beyond my comprehension.  The song is without a doubt nothing more than a story about a dad and his baby girl, albeit with a double entendre jokey title and first line.  This song has never done anything but bring joy to me.  However, your description of it makes me shudder.

       Love and merci,   Dan Lega
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce's setlists appeal to broad range of fans...casual to hardcore on: August 11, 2006, 12:57:16 PM
Call me the devil's advocate, but I do really think that Mike puts in extra time to perform these songs 1) To cater to the hardcore fans, and 2) Because he really loves the music.  Like I said earlier, he could easily EASILY do a 90-minute show every night.  They did that during most of the 90's when the Beach Boys were still together!!  But he takes the time and makes the effort to include little gems here and there when he clearly doesn't have to.



     Excuse me, Eric, but Mike did practically the same hour or hour and fifteen minute hits only show since the very early 80's!   I, too, am very happy to see his new set lists these past couple of years.  However, it's probably going to be a long time before I forgive him for 20+ years of very boring same-old-same-old set lists.  (And why they've been doing "Duke Of Earl" for about 10 years straight now I'll never know!  If Mike feels he's got to perform some old Doo-Wop song, then why not do a different one every year?)

           Love and merci,   Dan Lega
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds Live in November on: August 08, 2006, 10:27:24 AM

Yeah, but if they're going to get back together to do "Pet Sounds", they may as well do "SMiLE", too.  Maybe if Mike saw how much a live audience dug "SMiLE" he'd finally change his mind about the project!    Wink


Love and merci,   Dan Lega
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