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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / "Lost Studio Tape" Finders on: April 15, 2024, 04:09:34 AM
Here an interesting article from the NY Times.  I copied and pasted it for those who don't have access to NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/11/arts/music/master-tape-rescue-lost-music.html

(If copying and pasting is against the rules, please delete!)


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Lost Tapes From Major Musicians Are Out There. These Guys Find Them.
For decades, recordings left at studios have languished in storage rooms and basements. Master Tape Rescue, a company of two industry vets, is coming to save them.

By Bob Mehr
Reporting from Los Angeles

Published April 11, 2024
Updated April 12, 2024

In late 2020, Brian Kehew was working at the venerable Hollywood studio Sunset Sound when the owner asked him to help identify some tapes the Who had left behind. It was not an unusual request for Kehew, who has done tape transfers and mixes on hundreds of archival recording projects over the last 30 years, and serves as a tech and sometime backing musician for the band. He expected to find some overdubs or a safety copy of a master, nothing particularly important.
When he got his hands on the reels, he was shocked: The studio was sitting on all the original two-inch multitracks of the group’s 1975 album, “The Who by Numbers,” as well as previously unreleased songs from those sessions.

“I immediately contacted Pete Townshend, and we arranged to send the tapes back to England,” Kehew, a blond-haired Southern California native, said in a recent interview at his North Hollywood studio, which was lined with rare, vintage and obsolete tape machines. “The band had been looking for the tapes for years, but this was one place they hadn’t thought to check.”

For Kehew, a producer of Fiona Apple’s “Extraordinary Machine” and an expert on both the Beatles and Moog synthesizers, the recovery of the Who recordings underscored the fact that significant tapes “might be sitting in someone’s attic or barn or basement” and not where they belong, in a record company vault or an artist’s archive. “The obstacle to getting these tapes back in the right hands has always been the time and effort involved,” he said. “But what if there was a facile way to connect everyone that doesn’t involve a lot of hassle or red tape?”

The answer may be Master Tape Rescue, a company recently started by Kehew and his partner, Danny White, a fellow music industry veteran. The company acts as an archival matchmaking service of sorts, cataloging recordings from studios or private collections and then vetting and connecting rights holders with tape holders.

A view of a storage room where three tall metal shelving units hold dozens of brown and white boxes that contain recordings.
Shelves of recordings in an archive room above Sunset Sound, a studio in Los Angeles.Credit...Tag Christof for The New York Times
Over the past six months, as Kehew, 59, and White, 57, have canvassed the vaults of various studios and other holdings, they have discovered a wealth of fascinating material: previously unreleased Jimi Hendrix jam sessions, unknown Billie Holiday tapes, a trove of historic Chicago blues material, a large collection of professional concert recordings from artists including David Bowie, R.E.M. and Iggy Pop. “And it feels like that’s just the tip of the iceberg,” White said.

It was another historic discovery that brought White — a lanky, Indiana-born musician, studio owner and president of Sound Techniques, a recording console maker — into the project. In the late 2000s, he backed the Buddy Holly guitarist Tommy Allsup on tour. In 2009, inspired by the experience, he wrote a young adult novel, “The Last Rock and Roll Show,” about a pair of kids who discover lost Holly recordings. Life would imitate art when White was hired by the estate of a former Holly producer to assess its tape archive — and discovered more than 20 first-generation masters by the “Peggy Sue” singer.

Holly’s catalog was among the recordings reported to have been destroyed in the 2008 Universal Studios fire, which came to wide public knowledge in 2019. The find was major, showing that not everything was lost in the blaze. “It’s not all of Buddy’s masters,” White said, “but it’s a big chunk of his catalog, which is significant given the circumstances. And this was all sitting in a closet for years.”

In cases like the Who or Holly, there is real financial value in the recovered tapes. But most lost recordings, even ones from name acts, may be worth only a few hundred or thousand dollars. “Even though you have a tape, you don’t own the rights to what’s on it, so you can’t expect the moon,” Kehew said. “Labels might pay a small licensing fee use to a tape or track for a boxed set, sometimes they’ll buy it outright. Usually, they offer a finder’s fee or a storage fee — like, here’s a reward for preserving our tape all this time. It scales up and down with the artist, and how special the material is.”

But White said money isn’t the point: “We’re doing this more out of a sense of history, and hopefully help find some cool stuff that’s just been collecting dust for decades.”

NEARLY EVERY STUDIO that operated in the peak era of analog recording from the 1950s to the early 2000s has a locker, vault or room dedicated to housing tapes left behind by artists and labels.

Historically, finished album masters — held on a single quarter-inch tape reel, from which commercial copies would be manufactured — were considered the most valued asset. The multitracks — heavy, cumbersome two-inch reels of tape, containing the individual elements of the recording — would typically be collected and delivered to the label after a session. But inevitably a small percentage of tapes landed in the studio’s on-site storage, often forgotten completely by the artist and record company.

Paul Camarata, who owns Sunset Sound, watched his entire second-story space fill floor to ceiling with tapes like this, more than 1,500 at last count, from the big-band leader Harry James to the 1980s hitmakers Toto, before calling in Master Tape Rescue. “I’m always thinking we gotta get these tapes out of here,” he said. “But we’re in a strange quandary — we don’t own the tapes, and I would never just throw them away. We’ve just become an unwitting storage service.”

Over the years, record companies have “come down and scoured our archives hoping to find some gold,” he said. “But it’s kind of like leaving your car at the mechanic for 40 years and just expecting to pick it up one day.”

In 2010, Clay Blair began operating the Boulevard Recording Studio in Hollywood. It came with an illustrious history: Opened as Continental Recorders in 1966, it morphed into Producer’s Workshop in the 1970s (turning out projects by Pink Floyd, Fleetwood Mac and Steely Dan) and eventually became Westbeach Recorders, the pop-punk stronghold whose clients included Blink-182, Rancid and the Offspring. When Blair took over the space, he inherited a disused echo chamber that had been turned into a tape storage.

“There’s at least a couple hundred tapes in there that go all the way back to the ’60s,” said Blair, who is also working with Master Tape Rescue. “There are recordings by Liberace and Engelbert Humperdinck, a score for an Evel Knievel film, we found a Jerry Garcia tape from the ’70s, a soundtrack he did that’s never been released. Just the other day, we found the two-inch reels from Concrete Blonde’s hit ‘Joey.’ There’s all kinds of stuff hiding in these studios that nobody has any idea about.”

Still, numerous recording facilities that have been sold or closed over the years simply threw out their archives. The most famous example is Olympic Studios in London, which in 1987 took its entire tape inventory — including incredibly valuable multitrack recordings by bands like the Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin — and placed them in a dumpster. Enterprising collectors salvaged as many reels as possible; some were reunited with the artists, others turned up as bootlegs.

Historically, multitrack recordings were seen as less valuable than finished master tapes. Back in the 1960s, bands would often roll back over recorded performances for fresh takes, or labels would bulk erase reels after a session and reuse the tape for other projects. “A lot of great, interesting recordings got lost that way,” said Andrew Sandoval, a reissue producer who has specialized in catalog work for ’60s groups like the Monkees and the Beach Boys.

Sandoval said that even major artists of the era, like the Kinks, have very few of their early multis. “You’re never going to hear alternate takes of classics like ‘You Really Got Me’ or ‘All of the Day,’” he said. “None of those things exist.”

During the 1970s and ’80s, multitracks were haphazardly stored, organized and prized, even by major labels. It wasn’t uncommon to walk into a place like Coast Recording Equipment Supply, a pro audio shop in Hollywood, and find used reels being sold for recording that contained multitrack masters by bands like the Doors.

It wasn’t until the CD era and the explosion of deep-dive compilations and boxed sets in the late ’80s and early ’90s that record companies started to fully realize the value of their multitracks. “When you get into the re-marketing of music and creating reissues, the first thing a label asks is: ‘Is there something new here?’” Sandoval said. “In order to find or create something new, you usually need to go back to the multitracks — that’s your biggest source of alternate takes, outtakes and unreleased material.”

Today, multitracks arguably hold even more value thanks to the rise of remix projects, the development of immersive audio formats like Dolby Atmos, and even TV, film and commercial sync opportunities, which often require use of the original recording elements.

“The ability to recast an artist’s music, to present it in a new way, usually depends on the multitracks,” said John Jackson, the longtime Sony/Legacy A&R executive. Now running his own consultancy, advising Billy Joel, Rosanne Cash and the estate of AC/DC’s Bon Scott, he noted that “if you don’t have the multitracks or have a plan for the multitracks, you’re not recognizing and celebrating the value of that artist’s music fully.”

THERE’S NO QUESTION that the vagaries of the music business have claimed plenty of important recordings over the years.

In February, the 146-track boxed set “Written in Their Soul: The Stax Songwriter Demos” won best historical album at the Grammys. Chronicling the tunesmiths behind the iconic Memphis soul label, it was a 20-year passion project for its producer, Cheryl Pawelski. A former catalog executive at Capitol and Warner Music who now runs her own label, Omnivore, Pawelski said the original tapes that make up the Stax box had actually been thrown out years earlier.

“Fortunately, before they got rid of the tapes sometime in the ’90s, the publisher that owned the material transferred it all to DAT,” said Pawelski, referring to the now outdated digital tape format. “That’s because a single DAT could hold 90 or 120 minutes — it was a space saving measure.”

Pawelski knows that “Written in Their Soul” is a feel-good story in a business often filled with dispiriting tales of lost history. “God knows what’s been thrown out. Just thinking about the stuff that probably wound up in landfills in Memphis or Chicago, it makes me very sad,” she said. “As music lovers, as reissue producers, we’re chasing something that’s very ephemeral in what is essentially a business environment. And I think a lot of music has gotten the raw end of those business dealings.”

Corporate neglect and studio closures aren’t the only reasons tapes get lost or go missing; there have been more nefarious forces at work as well. Jackson, who spent years overseeing Sony/Legacy’s work on the Elvis Presley catalog, noted that even the biggest artists have not been immune from having their recordings stolen.

The Presley archivist Ernst Jorgensen spent “decades putting Elvis’s whole tape collection back together,” Jackson said. “And a lot of times that involved someone saying, ‘Meet me at this motel behind Graceland and I’ll sell you the multitracks of this session.’”

A few years ago, Kehew worked on a reissue of a 20-times-platinum LP by a big major-label act from the 1990s. He noticed the multitracks were not in the label’s vault, but since those tapes weren’t needed for the project, he thought little of it. A few months later, he was approached by someone who had inherited a store of tapes and wanted him to assess the contents. There, among the mostly worthless reels, were “the multitracks for this 20-million-selling album,” Kehew said, “just sitting in a dusty garage in downtown L.A., next to some boots and a bunch of oil cans.”

Someone had checked out the tapes from the label without a signature, he said, later abandoning them. “The label was very happy to have them back. The band probably never even knew they were missing.”

Sandoval believes the untapped holdings of studios and private collections could produce a bounty in the coming years. “There’s recordings people have been sitting on for one reason or another,” he said. “As those folks pass away, and their families find and inherit the tapes, that stuff is finally going to surface.”

Kehew and White are counting on that and hope to streamline the process through their efforts with Master Tape Rescue. “I do believe there are hundreds of studios all over the world that have tape vaults that are worth exploring,” Kehew said. “Or that there are producers or engineers, or estates, who might have material of real value for artists or labels. A lot of stuff is still out there — it’s just a matter of finding it.”
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1971 Dennis interview on: April 04, 2024, 03:48:18 PM
What's interesting is that they "let" Dennis pull his songs.

Yes, it is.  And I misunderstood the quote at first.  I thought Dennis was saying the "Surf's Up" album "as is" did not have a flow.  Instead, he was saying that if you included his songs then the album lost its flow.

In essence, though, he's saying his songs did not sound Beach Boy-like.  And I reckon that's why he didn't want them on future albums, either.  Including "Ten Years of Harmony."  And Carl went along with his wish that they not be on any Beach Boy albums.


Love and merci,
Dan Lega
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: March 28, 2024, 04:24:40 AM
I found this on Discogs.com.  Though this listing has a date of 2015, while the Ebay test pressing says 2016.  But it's the same label number.


The Beach Boys – Live At The Fillmore East 1971
The Beach Boys - Live At The Fillmore East 1971 album cover
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Label:   Parachute Recording Company – PARA064LP
Format:   
Vinyl, LP, Album, Unofficial Release, Stereo
Country:   UK & Europe
Released:   2015
Genre:   Rock, Pop
Style:   Rock & Roll, Surf, Psychedelic Rock, Pop Rock
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The new BB doc will be on Disney+ on: March 27, 2024, 08:28:41 AM


I'm blocked from reading it because I'm not a subscriber.  Anyone care to post it here?

Love and merci,
Dan Lega
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So...Where Were We, Anyway? on: March 20, 2024, 04:17:03 AM
I just read the first 4 parts.  Very enjoyable!  And very enlightening!  I really enjoyed the preamble, but wasn't quite prepared for the in depth and fascinating look into the allusions of SMiLE lyrics to other famous lyrics, poems, etc!

Many times when I read things like this I think there's no way the original author really had those things in mind when he wrote that.  But with this analysis, and with how erudite Van Dyke has always appeared, I'm thinking, by George, I bet Van Dyke was thinking of that when he wrote that line!  Okay, maybe not every single time totally consciously, but I'm sure he was steeped in all those references and they had become a part of his vernacular.

You should send this to Mr. Parks!  I bet he'd be grateful to see it.


Love and merci,
Dan Lega
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Sail on Sailor Box Set -- Drastic Price Drop! on: March 05, 2024, 04:21:16 PM
For those outliers who never picked up the Sail on Sailor box set, well now's your time -- the price has been cut drastically! 

You can find it for $44.97 on Amazon!

And I also saw it for $46.99 and $47.00 from a couple of sellers at Walmart.com.


Love and merci,
Dan Lega
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Fred Vail: Country Album to be released on: February 17, 2024, 10:40:08 PM
My guess is that Brian won't really do much as Executive Producer.  Just giving the go-ahead for the project is probably enough to get him the title.  There will probably be more producers listed on the final product.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Fred Vail: Country Album to be released on: February 14, 2024, 06:27:56 PM

When I imagine 14 instrumental tracks produced by Brian Wilson in 1970 with top-shelf session musicians, I'd rate the chances that they're brilliant at about 99.9%.



Agreed! 

Though it's very weird that ten years ago, long after Mark Linett and company had started to go through the tapes in an attempt to compile and save all the Beach Boy recordings, that the Boys management would call up Fred Vail and say, hey, we found these tapes, what do you want us to do with them?! 

What's up with that?

Love and Mooooo-ci,
Dan Lega
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Man, we were on such a roll… on: February 14, 2024, 06:21:00 PM
I will admit I didn't buy the Sail On Sailor set.  Why?  Because it seemed that Brian was more or less MIA in this period.  I listened to some of the rare tracks from the set and my reaction was "blah".   Frankly, it's a period of the band that doesn't particularly interest me, just my personal taste I guess.  BUT, I would totally go for a 1976-77 set where Brian was back and recording a bunch of some of the most eccentric music of his career.  Oh yeah.   

Got to say I love the three new Brian songs (new-to-me, at least) at the end of disc 5 -- Spark in the Dark, Rooftop Harry, Body Talk.  You've got Marcella, Sail On Sailor, Funky Pretty.  An excellent bunch of Dennis tunes.  What's not to love?

Also got to say I love that Howie poked his nose back in here!  I'm so glad to hear there are still many things on the burner!  I'm dying for some solid facts on these projects, though!!!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Fred Vail: Country Album to be released on: February 13, 2024, 06:05:02 PM
I hope there will be a deluxe edition that includes instrumental-only versions of Brian's original backing tracks, without any futzing -- nothing added!


Love and merci,
Dan Lega
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian and Fred Vail: Country Album to be released on: February 13, 2024, 04:14:40 PM
According to Rolling Stone Magazine, Brian and Fred Vail's country album is going to be released.  Unfortunately I can't tell you much more than that because you need a subscription to Rolling Stone to read the full article.

I did see it's going to be called "Cows in the Pasture."


https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/brian-wilson-country-album-cows-in-the-pasture-fred-vail-1234951531/


Love and MOOooo-ci,
Dan Lega


12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Board Is Back on: February 13, 2024, 02:48:34 AM
Since the board came back it has looked physically different on my end.  All the columns do NOT fit within my page anymore.  Now I must scroll to see the columns on the right hand side. 

I hope this can be fixed soon!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Box set/copyright dump… on: November 30, 2023, 04:07:49 AM
NEWLY UNEARTHED Van Dyke Parks SMiLE ACETATE???  Where did this news come from?!

What does it consist of???  Where can I find out more about it???


Love and merci,
Dan Lega 
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: May 16, 2023, 09:07:04 PM
Don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere...

So.... I'm watching this new Mickey Mouse documentary on the Disney+ channel and, lo and behold, I hear the backing track to Heroes and Villains begin to play!  Needless to say, I was gobsmacked, especially when they played parts that I'm not sure made it into the final version!  Nothing us diehard fans haven't heard, of course, but still!  They used three distinct sections of the Heroes and Villains backing track for essentially a minute and forty-five seconds! 

The name of the new documentary is "Mickey: The Story of a Mouse."  The underscoring starts at 17:27 and ends at 19:15.

Check it out if you can!

Love and merci,
Dan Lega
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So Tough/ Holland (Box?) Set on: May 02, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
I'm also hoping for a live version of "Jumpin' Jack Flash" to finally be released!  I got to hear them perform it live once and it blew the roof off the arena! 

This doesn't have to be on the boxed set, though.  Hopefully there will be a re-release of the '74 In Concert album with many added tracks coming out soon, too.




16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: So Tough/ Holland (Box?) Set on: April 29, 2022, 08:14:22 PM
They should also re-release "The Flames" first album, along with the second.

I'd go for a separate set with the two Flame albums.  Mainly so there will be more room for Beach Boy rarities!   Grin

I imagine they already have the set done, but one thing I didn't like about  the "Feel Flows" set were the instrumentals tracks combined with backing vocal tracks.  I enjoy it much more when there's a separate instrumental only track and a separate vocal only track.

Love and merci,
Dan Lega


PS -- Please don't let there be any delays on this set!


17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2021 Copyright Dump -- now gone! on: March 04, 2022, 08:21:18 AM
MD, thanks for the link to the other thread. 

Hey, I know absolutely NOTHING about Bandcamp.com.  In the other thread, Josh said Bandcamp's "terms of use" were violated by the Beach Boys?  Can anyone explain this to me?  And how much did it cost to listen/download the tracks?  Also, someone told me they heard the tracks were not good quality tracks.  But I'm not seeing that spoken of in these threads, except for bad sounding bootleg crowd recordings of some of the concerts.  So the unreleased tracks and The Flame's second album sounded really good?

Love and merci,
Dan Lega
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows vol 2? on: March 04, 2022, 08:08:02 AM
So make fun of me if you want, but I bought all 5 of the MISC TRACKS 1971 release, all separately as that cost less than buying the "set" for $9.99 or whatever it was.

Funny thing is though, I got a refund from Bandcamp today. So are we sure this was indeed sanctioned by Brother Records? I just think it's interesting they didn't keep my money if it was something on the level.

Capitol is responsible for the posting.  They violated Bandcamp's terms of use by so doing, thus everybody who bought anything from them got refunded.

Hey, I know absolutely NOTHING about Bandcamp.  Josh, could you please explain which Bandcamp's "terms of use" were violated by the Beach Boys?  And how much did it cost to listen/download the tracks?
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2021 Copyright Dump -- now gone! on: March 01, 2022, 01:51:12 PM
Sorry for the triple post.  It wouldn't go through at first, so I tried numerous times!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / 2021 Copyright Dump -- now gone! on: March 01, 2022, 01:40:03 PM
Sorry if this has been reported elsewhere.  If so, then just delete the whole thread...

Just got David Beard's "Endless Summer Quarterly" and there's some AMAZING and.. TERRIBLE... news that I, for one, had not heard in the past two months!

Seems there WAS a copyright dump at the end of the year!  But now it's all gone!
 
At thebeachboysmusic.bandcamp.com there apparently was...

-the second unreleased Flame album!

-an EP titled Misc. Tracks 1971 with "Telephone Backgrounds", "Just For You", "Sing Out A Song", "Sea Cruise" (partial), "Untitled 1971 piano track"

-and seven concerts...
Boston 2/28/71
Syracuse 5/1/71
Bronx 7/1/71
Indianapolis 10/1/71
Princeton 11/13/71
Long Beach 12/3/71
Filmore East 1971

Why they're not out there for us to buy makes no sense.  But nothing in the world makes sense right now, does it?

Love and merci,
Dan Lega
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: November 18, 2021, 02:26:08 PM
Hey!  I got to see "Long Promised Road" in the theater last night!

It was very moving, and very well put together. 

But... the idea that Brian opened up while driving around in the car doesn't really pan out.  He pretty much gives his usual short answers and repeats many answers he's given before.  (Such as "We shelved SMiLE because it was ahead of its time and so we waited 40 years for when people could appreciate it".)

Now... that's not to say there aren't a lot of poignant moments that come out of Jason Fine's interviews in the car, but for the most part Brian appears just as shut down with this method of interviewing as he is with usual interviews and interviewers.

Still definitely worth seeing though!

<SPOILER ALERT>

Especially for the music. There were definitely shots of Brian and the gang recording songs that haven't been released yet!  One was called "Honeycomb", but I couldn't tell if it was the "Honeycomb" that was released in the 50's or 60's, or if this was a brand new song by Brian. 

There were other songs that sounded like Brian originals, but I couldn't tell if all of them were previously released or if they were new.

One thing that I didn't expect... Brian seems to really like "It's OK"!  He requests it to be played while driving in the car numerous times.  AND THEN... they show him recording it in the studio!  What's even weirder?  They had shown Brian on a Pet Sounds tour doing his talk/singing for the songs.  Then they show him re-recording "It's OK" and he sings it beautifully!  I... could... not... believe... it!

He re-records "Long Promised Road", too, and delivers a few of the lines perfectly!  If only there were someone who Brian trusted enough to tell him when a line wasn't perfect and when it was, and got him to keep working on it until it was perfect.  Because it appears that with a little concentration he still has the chops to deliver a great vocal!

Definitely go see it if you have the chance!  (Though that chance in the theaters may be gone as it appeared to play for one time only in a lot of cities on Wednesday night, November 17, 2021.)

Love and merci,
Dan Lega
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 12, 2021, 12:04:27 PM
Regarding the booklets... I bought the 5CD and the 4LP.  I have not checked them closely, but the written material from all reports is the same in both. 

I will report there is a nice difference in the LP booklet vs. 5CD -- the pictures of the handwritten lyrics for Surf's Up are much larger in the 4LP booklet!  So there are differences in layouts, and therefore in picture sizes.  It probably works both ways, some pictures are larger in one than the other.


Love and merci,
Dan Lega
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 22, 2021, 08:46:26 AM
Here's a reply from Stanley Shapiro to an article about Dennis in Shindig.   I think most will find it very interesting!

You can find the article here... https://www.shindig-magazine.com/?p=4986


 Stanley Shapiro says:

October 20, 2021 at 11:36 am

My name is Stanley Shapiro…
I wrote 100% of the words in the song WOULDN’T IT BE NICE TO LIVE AGAIN. I wrote those words long before Dennis met Barbara Charren and the song had NOTHING to with Barbara whatsoever… As a matter of fact I was with Dennis when we met Barbara for the very first time at the Hamburger Hamlet in the Westwood Village next door to the theater on the corner.
I wrote the song as a part of a six page letter appealing to my girlfriend to come back after she moved out and moved in with an older man who was an associate of Bill Hayward (the co-producer of EASY RIDER).
Dennis and I agreed to write the songs for the movie… but, NOT that particular song. I wrote that song in 1969… not 1971.
These are the facts… my girlfriend came to ‘Hollywood’ from the Midwest to visit her long time friend who was living with Hayward at the time. She moved in with me before production on EASY RIDER began. She was smitten with the movie business and, after we were invited to a dinner party at Hayward’s home in the Hollywood hills, met a picture producer who was 26 years older than she. She was an aspiring actress and he enticed her with the loan of a Mercedes Benz 280 SE convertible and the use of his Bel Air residence. She fell for that and moved in with him. I was heart broken and pleaded with her to come back in a six page letter, in which I penned the poetic song.
I sent the letter to her and a few days later it was returned unopened. I opened the envelope and left the letter on my kitchen table. Dennis read the letter and pleaded with me to let him use it in a song. I turned him down…
(and, for the record, at that point Darryl had nothing to do with it)…
I didn’t like his suggestion that Dennis was a reincarnation of ‘Wagner’ … an anti-Semitic Nazi who was sympathetic to Hitler in WW2.
A couple of weeks later I got a call from another producer who asked me if I heard what happened to my girlfriend..
I was devastated to learn that she had taken her own life after a falling out with the movie maker, and Dennis begged me, once again, to let him put the words to music. This time I acquiest to his persistence and let him record it…
the two of us own that song 50/50 and Daryl Dragon owns none of it.
Mike Love hated the song and the two of us as well. Dennis went to war over the inclusion of the song on the Surf’s Up album and decided to yank it off after a bitter fight over the lack of interest on the Beach Boys part, telling them they weren’t worthy of the song.
On the way out of the studio he turned and told Mike to go back and write something ‘earth shaking’… like a few more stupid ‘car’ songs. It was a bitter disappointment and wound up in the vaults at Capitol Records.
It was rediscovered by Alan Boyd (the Beach Boys archivist and award winning documentarian after Dennis died).
It was subsequently covered by a little known group called CHAOS and wound up being placed on the ballot for a Grammy nomination as the SONG OF THE YEAR.
In the end, the Beach Boys did nothing to use it or promote it, and it stayed hidden in the vaults for an eternity.
Mike Love replaced the song with an inappropriate ‘tune’
called Student Demonstration Time using the music from another song composed by Mike Stoller… WHAT A GENIUS!!!
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson article in \ on: October 22, 2021, 08:43:03 AM
Have you seen Stanley Shapiro's reply to the Shindig article regarding "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again"? Posted on October 20th.  Some great info!




Stanley Shapiro says:

October 20, 2021 at 11:36 am

My name is Stanley Shapiro…
I wrote 100% of the words in the song WOULDN’T IT BE NICE TO LIVE AGAIN. I wrote those words long before Dennis met Barbara Charren and the song had NOTHING to with Barbara whatsoever… As a matter of fact I was with Dennis when we met Barbara for the very first time at the Hamburger Hamlet in the Westwood Village next door to the theater on the corner.
I wrote the song as a part of a six page letter appealing to my girlfriend to come back after she moved out and moved in with an older man who was an associate of Bill Hayward (the co-producer of EASY RIDER).
Dennis and I agreed to write the songs for the movie… but, NOT that particular song. I wrote that song in 1969… not 1971.
These are the facts… my girlfriend came to ‘Hollywood’ from the Midwest to visit her long time friend who was living with Hayward at the time. She moved in with me before production on EASY RIDER began. She was smitten with the movie business and, after we were invited to a dinner party at Hayward’s home in the Hollywood hills, met a picture producer who was 26 years older than she. She was an aspiring actress and he enticed her with the loan of a Mercedes Benz 280 SE convertible and the use of his Bel Air residence. She fell for that and moved in with him. I was heart broken and pleaded with her to come back in a six page letter, in which I penned the poetic song.
I sent the letter to her and a few days later it was returned unopened. I opened the envelope and left the letter on my kitchen table. Dennis read the letter and pleaded with me to let him use it in a song. I turned him down…
(and, for the record, at that point Darryl had nothing to do with it)…
I didn’t like his suggestion that Dennis was a reincarnation of ‘Wagner’ … an anti-Semitic Nazi who was sympathetic to Hitler in WW2.
A couple of weeks later I got a call from another producer who asked me if I heard what happened to my girlfriend..
I was devastated to learn that she had taken her own life after a falling out with the movie maker, and Dennis begged me, once again, to let him put the words to music. This time I acquiest to his persistence and let him record it…
the two of us own that song 50/50 and Daryl Dragon owns none of it.
Mike Love hated the song and the two of us as well. Dennis went to war over the inclusion of the song on the Surf’s Up album and decided to yank it off after a bitter fight over the lack of interest on the Beach Boys part, telling them they weren’t worthy of the song.
On the way out of the studio he turned and told Mike to go back and write something ‘earth shaking’… like a few more stupid ‘car’ songs. It was a bitter disappointment and wound up in the vaults at Capitol Records.
It was rediscovered by Alan Boyd (the Beach Boys archivist and award winning documentarian after Dennis died).
It was subsequently covered by a little known group called CHAOS and wound up being placed on the ballot for a Grammy nomination as the SONG OF THE YEAR.
In the end, the Beach Boys did nothing to use it or promote it, and it stayed hidden in the vaults for an eternity.
Mike Love replaced the song with an inappropriate ‘tune’
called Student Demonstration Time using the music from another song composed by Mike Stoller… WHAT A GENIUS!!!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 21, 2021, 05:31:30 PM
Yes, "My Solution" is hilarious.  I keep finding more things to laugh at!

I love that Brian chose the word "damsel."  Cracks me up!

And then you contrast the comedy with utterly terrifying bridge!  Whoa!

Love the production, too.  Brian was really mastering the synth, wasn't he?   That repeating synth sound "CHUGGA-CHugga-Chugga-chugga" is great.  And the sound of tapping glass as if someone is playing music on test tubes and vials.  Was anyone else is the rock world using the synth like this at this time?  I don't really know, but it does seem early to me for effects of this type.


Love and merci,
Dan Lega
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