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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Times article: The Beach Boys — yes, they’re back
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on: June 05, 2018, 05:14:16 AM
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It's interesting to see the ways that 1993 interview reinforces how Mike still is and has always been, and the ways in which he has changed (or at least changed how he talks).
You'd *NEVER* find Mike in 2018 calling any iteration of the Beach Boys "lovingly irrelevant."
To say nothing of how was foreseeing retiring by 1998 (also note that Elliott Lott said in 1999/2000 that Mike only had a few years left of touring).
Then Carl got sick. I wonder if Mike changed his retirement plans, knowing the Beach Boys would be without a leader. (Though really, can we see him leading a TM center? He hasn't exactly achieved inner peace.)
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carnie Wilson on Osbournes podcast
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on: May 08, 2018, 08:05:10 PM
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Transcribing a very bizarre quote from Carnie during this interview: ” Sgt. Pepper’s came out and then dad said, ‘I need to beat this record.’ Those were his words. So he wrote Pet Sounds and that’s where ‘Good Vibrations,’ ‘God Only Knows’ came in, ‘Wouldn’t It Be Nice’ and ‘Don’t Worry Baby.’ And a really cute story is my dad would come home from the recording sessions of Pet Sounds and he would say to my mom, ‘I’m scared I’m not going to do as good as Sgt. Pepper. Mar, I don’t think I can do this as good.’ And she would say ‘Don’t worry baby, everything will be alright. Don’t worry baby.’ And then he wrote ‘Don’t Worry Baby.’” Inaccurate in several ways to say the least. I'm willing to overlook the timeline inaccuracies for the sake of her enthusiasm. The point she was making was more about Brian's competitiveness and also his insecurities. Maybe she's just one of the people who doesn't let facts get in the way of a good story.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Concert attire
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on: May 07, 2018, 05:47:30 AM
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They should have abandoned matching outfits altogether in 1965/66. Some of the press photos (from off stage) have them looking pretty cool, particularly Dennis. They should have just worn their street clothes onstage. But they were never good about the image thing.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread
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on: May 05, 2018, 02:10:24 PM
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Brian's just such a nice guy. Beyond admiring his music he is very admirable for his incredibly positive attitude, exceeding humbleness and gratitude to those wishing him well and appreciating him. A gracious gentleman by any measure.
The Wilson brothers, for all the failures and disasters they endured, always struck me as really good people and very kindhearted.
I doubt he wrote that message, but I agree with the sentiment. He has such a good heart and deserves the very best for all he has gone through and given to the world. I hope future concertgoers report that he's dancing on stage, or at the very least, he can get on and off stage without assistance. He actually doesn't always see all the cabling on the floor, so helping him on and offstage is actually a good idea. Dancing sounds good. I also know that Melinda always went to Brian for his public quotes. They may tidy them up (like any casual speech we have and then put into writing), but it's his sentiment. Well, I stand corrected. I have no firsthand experience with the celebrity world. I always assumed a celeb would tell an assistant or manager, "Just tell them thank you" and the manager would write something up.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread
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on: May 03, 2018, 06:06:19 AM
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Brian's just such a nice guy. Beyond admiring his music he is very admirable for his incredibly positive attitude, exceeding humbleness and gratitude to those wishing him well and appreciating him. A gracious gentleman by any measure.
The Wilson brothers, for all the failures and disasters they endured, always struck me as really good people and very kindhearted.
I doubt he wrote that message, but I agree with the sentiment. He has such a good heart and deserves the very best for all he has gone through and given to the world. I hope future concertgoers report that he's dancing on stage, or at the very least, he can get on and off stage without assistance.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread
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on: May 01, 2018, 04:47:29 PM
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Cousin, I know what it's like to have the (Wilson) back gene. I am sympathetic and empathetic, as I myself have had back problems as early as junior high. I hope one day we'll be able to do something like this again; great memories. Looking forward to perhaps one day throwing some hoops. Feel better soon Brian. Love, your cousin, Mike Nice message from Mike on his Facebook, he posted this along with the picture of he and Brian playing basketball. That's very sweet.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread
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on: May 01, 2018, 12:52:04 PM
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I can't imagine the pain Brian would have to endure, traveling, getting into and out of busses, or plane travel, sleeping in uncomfortable beds etc We've been blessed to have Brian make all his shows over the past few years, none cancelled due to illness or injury. Wishing him all the best for a full recovery. Back injuries are a %$@+&!!
Yes to all of this. Brian has been a trooper, but we all know there have been visible signs of his back issues. I know he's old, but he's had enough pain (physical and otherwise) for several lifetimes. I hope this surgery makes life more comfortable and enjoyable for him.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Janelle Monáe feat. Brian Wilson - Dirty Computer
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on: April 30, 2018, 02:12:53 PM
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"Vocal Arranger" is not as standard a typical "sleeve credit" as writing, production, engineering, etc. I wouldn't assume much one way or the other.
Right, and I won't pretend to know anything about how credits work, but you would think Brian would be credited in this case. If I buy an album and the artist did the vocal arrangement, I never see that credited. But Brian is a special (and honored) guest who would be doing some work on a major part of the song in this case. You'd think they wouldn't just not credit him. And you pointing out that the vocal arrangement is similar to the chords is another possible piece of evidence for the composer getting credit for doing the vocal arrangement. Then again, did Brian get credit for other vocal arrangements he did, for Linda Ronstadt, Anton Figg, etc? Or did the sleeve just say he did the vocals?
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Janelle Monáe feat. Brian Wilson - Dirty Computer
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on: April 30, 2018, 11:56:17 AM
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For context, Monae's last two albums and an EP were concept albums with her protraying an android robot name Cindi Mayweather Or you could watch the first couple minutes of the film she made to go along with the album and it explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdH2Sy-BlNEHere's the song credits, taken from that video: So based on this, Brian did not arrange it. There's a credit for writing and for composing and arranging, and for lyrics. Not sure how all of these are different, but Brian is not named in any of them. I assume the harmonies were arranged, BW-style, by the arranger.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why Do We Treat Brian Wilson Like a Child?
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on: April 23, 2018, 02:04:01 PM
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Hello friends, I am a long time Beach Boys and Brian Wilson fan. I have been obsessed with their music for over twenty years now, and I have gone through all of my periods of loving hidden gems and underrated albums. I have seen Brian Wilson live in concert three times over the years, including in 2004 for his SMiLE live performance in Glasgow. I have been long curious as to why it is that many Brian Wilson/Beach Boys fans tend to think of Brian as a person who can't make decisions for himself. I don't just mean *now* either, I mean in retrospect looking back to the 60s when Brian was experimenting with drugs and many creative avenues. Nobody speaks of John Lennon or Paul McCartney or Bob Dylan like they needed to be protected from the harsh realities of the world, yet this is something that is brought up frequently with Brian. People even go so far to place the blame on the friends that forced him to take drugs, that he was incapable of making decisions for himself. This doesn't just condescend to Brian in terms of his life decisions, but also frequently carries over into the artistic choices he made. I am thinking especially of Smiley Smile, and the refusal to acknowledge it as a genuine artistic choice, rather than the product of a mental breakdown. Very few pine over what could have been with Sgt Pepper. They accept it as the end result of an artistic process. I still believe that SMiLE was more a work created by fans after the fact, than it was a genuine lost album. Things progress and change through the process and I am more than happy to take Smiley Smile as the end result of that process.
So I am curious, why do you think people have become so attached to the idea that Brian isn't all there and should have his decisions made for him by those more capable? Why are his artistic choices even now second-guessed and assumed to be the product of some other guiding hand? Or more than that, why we assume that he needs/needed that parental guidance?
Well to answer your basic question, interviews like this recent one don't help if you are asking perhaps why he is more perceived as being needed to be treated like a child. (Whether anyone is actually treating him like a child and what that means exactly, I don't know) https://www.fortlauderdaledaily.com/upfront/noteworthy/5-minutes-brian-wilson-co-founder-beach-boysBut this interview is awful..as most of Brian's are. And the answers are indeed 'childlike' in some ways. Yes the questions are horrendous as well, but better questions would still get the same short, brutal and frankly, inconsistent answers. Why? Why is he subjected to these interviews. They are an embarrassment if we're honest about it. Hats off to the reporter for not slamming him and being respectful in her text. But c'mon. Either Brian is not mentally capable of giving a legitimate interview (which would be concerning) or he cares so little that he is willing to disrespect the professional relationship between artist and media, and as an extension, the public. It's ridiculous. Either don't do these interviews or figure out a way to approach them with some professionalism, even if the questions suck. If you don't ask probing questions, you don't get deep answers. I work in journalism, and these are weak questions. It appears she had a list and didn't deviate to ask follow-up questions. That may be because, as she states, she had five minutes with Brian Wilson. That's not enough time to get much more than these terse answers. I don't blame him in this case. How many of these have we read, where the reporter is compelled to open the piece with "Brian Wilson is a man of few words," or some such thing? They probably panic after the interview, wondering how they'll fill the page, so they make that the angle. "He's eccentric, so get ready." I just don't know why they used a transcript format here. Why not make it an article and put Brian's quote in, where appropriate? And yes, why no follow-up questions? If I'm totally unfamiliar with the Beach Boys, then what does "When Mike did Surfin' USA" mean? Who's Mike? He's not mentioned anywhere else.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread
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on: April 22, 2018, 06:56:19 AM
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Are we to assume the percussionist change is permanent?
I'm kind of surprised they felt the need to replace Nelson Bragg. Not that he's not a great drummer/percussionist, and not that having that extra percussion isn't cool. But I would think they might have just had Matt Jardine resume his old percussionist role as he did in the old days with the BBs. But maybe they need Matt more up front (and he does play some key guitar parts in the band now), and certainly Matt hasn't usually don't elaborate percussion the way D'Amico or Bragg have done in the past.
It's possible that Nelson quit, as opposed to being let go, right? He's a drummer and songwriter himself, so maybe he wanted to pursue other projects.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \
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on: April 15, 2018, 04:36:18 PM
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As pointed out in the comments, they're there to promote their own music and the host asks them a bunch of questions about the Beach Boys. Very interesting, though. I don't know if i've ever seen an interview of them or Marilyn alone from prior to the 1990s. Thanks for posting.
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