After a long absence, I wanted to check in here to see the conversation about this development. It's very sad, but we've heard only good things about the people who will be taking care of Brian's needs moving forward. I suspected something was wrong (or that Brian had gone into some kind of decline, whether mental or physical) when whoever runs his Instagram account stopped posting new photos and posted only throwbacks. That was well before Melinda died.

I do want to say that the reports use the word "dementia," not Alzheimer's. Alzheimers is a type of dementia, but not all dementia involves forgetting who you are, who your loved ones are, etc. The word only refers to cognitive decline. That in itself is difficult to contemplate, but we don't know what Brian's specific condition is. It's possible he can still go into the studio if he wants to. I only say that because, as someone whose own parent is beginning to decline a bit, it's a good idea to keep the person as active and engaged as possible. Even if that just means spending time with his kids. Speaking of whom, I believe some of his and Melinda's kids are still quite young (still need care), and I'm thinking about them as well. I only want the best for Brian and his family. I hope they're all getting some comfort through music and leaning on one another for support.

Happy birthday, Brian!

I don't come on here much anymore, but I wanted to check out what people are saying about the doc. I agree that Brian doesn't open up much, but there are still moments that for me were quite emotional to see, particularly when Brian hears some terrible news...Well, I don't want to spoil anything. He wasn't a chatterbox, but he put himself in a vulnerable position just sitting in front of the cameras like that. I found it very brave. Those who aren't familiar with his story will come away with empathy for him and (I think) an understanding of why he is the way he is, in addition to having a greater understanding of what makes his music special. Also, the filmmakers highlighted some music that a lot of the general public might not know. Special attention paid to the Holland album, for example. Jason Fine is an empathetic listener and a person who clearly puts Brian at ease (in fact, Brian says that and verbalizes how much he appreciates his friendship).

I wanted to note that I found the movie on Amazon Prime, where if you're in the U.S., you can rent it for $6.99 (or buy it for $14.99).

I could be mistaken, it's been over 5 years, but I don't think the song's inclusion on Brian's NPP album had anything to do with why it didn't qualify for an Oscar that year. It has to do with how it was placed in the film too, and in this case it's playing in a scene toward the end of the film when Brian and Melinda are driving in a car, and is also used as the second song played over the end credits. There was some other factor involved in the Oscar guidelines that I don't remember which disqualified it, but it wasn't that it appeared on the album. Corrections welcome!

You are correct, sir.

From a write-up 5 years ago:

BEST SONG FROM GOLDEN GLOBE NOMINEES NOT ON THE SHORTLIST: “One Kind of Love” from Love and Mercy
Why did this song from the Brian Wilson biopic not even make it to the shortlist? Because of an Academy rule that states that eligible songs need to be “used in the body of the motion picture or as the first music cue in the end credits.” Wilson’s “One Kind of Love” was the second song played during the credits.
http://thecomeback.com/theapparty/pop-culture/music-for-the-unhip-looking-at-oscars-best-original-song-shortlist-and-nominees.html


As to the brief use of 'One Kind of Love' in the body of the film, I'm guessing that it was deemed to not meet the Oscar requirement of  "a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition."

Let's face it.  There's often some measure of arbitrariness on these things.  One of the most famous Oscar music disqualifications was on Nino Rota's legendary Godfather score, which was deemed ineligible because Rota recycled some of his own melodies from an earlier film, "Fortunella."  It was very much a gray area because the renditions, tempos and instrumentation were completely new and while the melodies were identical in some places they were different in others.

I believe this happened to Rufus Wainwright, who wrote the beautiful song "The Maker Makes" for Brokeback Mountain many years ago. It didn't quality for an Oscar nom because it played over the closing credits, IIRC. Really weird rules.

As a huge Beach Boys fan and a strong conservative centered around the importance of values, morals and ethics, I'm proud that Mike is playing the Trump sponsored concert.   For all my other musical 'heroes' that have supported the politics of hatred, divide, racism and suppression of freedoms (liberals), I'm glad that the Beach Boys band name is being represented on the right side of history.    Congrats to Mike.   Remember, the thoughts shared on these boards are not as widespread as you'd like to believe.   Americans in the vast majority of states, cities and counties elected Trump as our President because he stood for the political decisions/directions we so desired after being on the brink of a civil war with President Obama.   The seething anger of racism generated by that man's words and actions were unlike anything this country had saw, but the media and these boards rarely bothered to notice or report.  

For fucks sake, you’re completely missing the point that they’re playing a concert for a crowd during a pandemic. I don’t give a sh*t about Mike’s politics or your politics, it doesn’t change that it’s stupid and dangerous and against CDC guidelines.

EXACTLY, and as someone who DID have Covid and have had complications since, I have a major issue

I'm sorry to hear that, Billy, I hope you are on the mend.

I can only imagine it must be extra insulting as a Covid survivor and as somebody who has been dealing with complications for Mike to be breaking those rules and showing a lack of disregard, playing a show in front of a bunch of anti-masking idiots, and having people in this thread try to downplay Covid.

I personally know several friends, and friends of friends, who have actually passed away from Covid - people who were not elderly, in their 40s and early 50s. One had a pre-existing health condition, one didn't. As even Chris Christie himself has said, this disease is very random in how it manifests in people. There's lots that we don't know. In fact if there's one thing for certain that we do know, it's that we know that we don't know as much as we should know in order to make an informed decision to try to downplay it.  

So people who want to downplay Covid with their horseshit facts can seriously take a long walk off a short pier. That downplaying mindset plays directly into the same narcissistic simpleton mindset that Mike Love has, where he can only understand the world as it relates to his own personal experiences affecting his own dumbass, privileged self, as opposed to actually being an empath for once in his life.

There's a certain mindset that a section of people on this planet have: things are disregarded and are not considered a problem that they are willing to recognize/tackle/address *until it happens to them personally*, until their own life is detrimentally affected by it. Mike very much seems to fit the bill of that kind of person.

Yes, to all of this.

Let's say the situation were reversed. Let's say Brian had the BBs name license and decided to do a Biden event. (I'm not saying Brian is a Biden supporter. This is totally hypothetical.) Knowing Mike is NOT a Biden supporter, would I think it was ok for Brian to have the "Beach Boys" to do a Biden event? Mmmm...no. Honestly, I would say Brian should do it under his own name. Wouldn't you? (And while I put Trump in a totally different stratosphere than Reagan, Bush, and W, I also think Mike-as-the-BBs doing any events for them without the go-ahead from the others would be wrong. But I think the Reagan/Bush stuff WAS with the permission of the others, who even participated. And again, this is putting aside that I think Trump is not even a politician. He's a completely different thing.)

I should add here, since apparently I missed the point of the thread, I would say Brian should do it under his own name IF there wasn't a pandemic. Given the pandemic, I would be horrified if he (or anyone else) did it at all.

As a huge Beach Boys fan and a strong conservative centered around the importance of values, morals and ethics, I'm proud that Mike is playing the Trump sponsored concert.   For all my other musical 'heroes' that have supported the politics of hatred, divide, racism and suppression of freedoms (liberals), I'm glad that the Beach Boys band name is being represented on the right side of history.    Congrats to Mike.   Remember, the thoughts shared on these boards are not as widespread as you'd like to believe.   Americans in the vast majority of states, cities and counties elected Trump as our President because he stood for the political decisions/directions we so desired after being on the brink of a civil war with President Obama.   The seething anger of racism generated by that man's words and actions were unlike anything this country had saw, but the media and these boards rarely bothered to notice or report.  

For fucks sake, you’re completely missing the point that they’re playing a concert for a crowd during a pandemic. I don’t give a sh*t about Mike’s politics or your politics, it doesn’t change that it’s stupid and dangerous and against CDC guidelines.

Oh, I thought there were two issues here: The covid issue AND the political issue. I have a problem with both.

So basically what I'm reading is that the problem isn't that you don't agree with what Mike is doing... but you just don't agree with his politics.

Okie dokie, join the club. 99% of the artists I listen to would probably call me horrible things because I happen to disagree with them.

Let's say the situation were reversed. Let's say Brian had the BBs name license and decided to do a Biden event. (I'm not saying Brian is a Biden supporter. This is totally hypothetical.) Knowing Mike is NOT a Biden supporter, would I think it was ok for Brian to have the "Beach Boys" to do a Biden event? Mmmm...no. Honestly, I would say Brian should do it under his own name. Wouldn't you? (And while I put Trump in a totally different stratosphere than Reagan, Bush, and W, I also think Mike-as-the-BBs doing any events for them without the go-ahead from the others would be wrong. But I think the Reagan/Bush stuff WAS with the permission of the others, who even participated. And again, this is putting aside that I think Trump is not even a politician. He's a completely different thing.)

I think it's totally fine for artists to be involved in politics. They're citizens too. However, in no way to do I think Trump is a typical politician. And if Mike wants to do this super-spreader event, so be it, but not using the Beach Boys name. He should use his own name. Attach his own name to the Trump train, not the band's name and its legacy. There should be some kind of exception to the license agreement where political events require all board members to sign off.

Apologies if this was posted before, but I don't see it. I just found this podcast called "Rivals" about famous fights and feuds in music. Of course they have one about Brian and Mike. I hadn't had a chance to hear more than the first few minutes but wanted to post it while I'm thinking about it:

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/how-stuff-works/rivals-2

It's from March, so scroll down a little to find it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIXs66BPooY

Probably posted before, but this track is such a beautiful nod towards Brian and the Pet Sounds album. Lovely vocals and instrumentation (notice the bass harmonica for example).

I love that song, and always thought (though this is a different topic) the album it's on, Up, is underrated.

Imagine if he was still this talkative in interviews.

David Crosby retweeted one of the articles about the performance and Brian's statement (this was Feb 4 but I don't check Twitter every day). Probably needless to say that he praised Brian for taking a stand and had some choice words for Mike.

Where are people getting all the stuff about shooting lions and elephants from?

From articles like these:
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/us-ban-elephant-hunt-imports-stirs-controversy/
http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/2020/01/canadian-safari-club-chapter-shuts-down-botswana-elephant-trophy-hunt-auction-following-protests/
https://www.safariclub.org/news/sci-supports-hunting-part-lion-conservation

Also, I would love to know any justification they have for playing that gig. Mike claimed some freedom of expression BS while some poor guy was being paid to delete all comments about the gig. Was it about money (of course)? Was it about ego (of course)? But for the bandmembers themselves, how do they justify this? Were they threatened to be fired if they didn’t play this gig? Do they actually think their involvement in the concert was a business transaction and not a show of support for SCI? Do they even care that the convention they played publicly asked those attending the concert (members of SCI) to “trigger”/taunt those who oppose the murder of endangered animals? Do they care that the person whose music they were playing was opposed to this concert? Do they care that Al and David were opposed to them playing this concert? Their very own idols asked them not to play and they did it anyways, does that bother them at all?

So many questions, I’m just appalled that the band went through with it. Mike has proven he’ll do just about anything for the almighty dollar, but it’s surprising the rest of the band didn’t protest this.

Oh my gosh, how can I respectfully say that you're off your freakin' rocker, man (along with a couple other of the posters).   My gosh.  A friggin' concert for fans.  I mean...put it into prospective across the 60 years of this bands history.  We've looked past the bad bad things of Dennis Wilson, Brian Wilson...geez...every band member has been associated with shady folks...played shady places in the 60's....70's....certain countries that that had horrible conditions for gays....women...people of color....   Associations with certain publications, donors....private events.... Now, they're private lives...I'm not even going to go there.   You're making this out like the worst ever and now you'll never listen to the Beach Boys.   You're anger is at a level that it feels like you'd be happy to punch Mike Love in the face right now.  All of this 'extra' stuff is not his ownership.  He just agreed to play a freakin' concert and move on.  

I could (and probably are) be totally wrong about my hunch, but you probably rarely even heard of this organization before this situation.  The hate you're showing due to your apparently endless love for these hunted animals seems overblown since I'm not sure how involved you were in fighting this organization prior to this one event.  Its like...if this petition wasn't started and caught the news media agenda, you might have not even known about it.   They were trophy hunting in the past and in the future and you'd be just talking about the upcoming beach boys box set.   So, the hypocrisy is comical.  

If Brian Wilson REALLY wants to assert his stance and attack these hunting practices in a pollical mindset to push to have it made illegal, then he should and I'll be watching.   But, then...some of the hard facts will need to be discussed.   I don't know much about this group of stupid hunters, but I hear that Africa welcomes them because of the millions in fee revenue from buying these trips, the locals get the majority of the meat from the kills to eat and the entire organization has helped on the conservation of many of these animals immensely.   That in no way justifies the action if people choose to make it illegal, but there will, of course, be impacts both positive and negative to a change.  

Man...its tough to 'type' arguments back and forth out.  So much easier to have a conversation.   Probably why I don't post much.  But, I don't want to continue to 'trigger' people.  Ha ha kidding...for goodness sake...kidding.  I'll just shut up and stop reading this topic.  

Seriously? You're really comparing the Wilsons' drug use with:
 Mike/Bruce's support of a trophy hunting organization/going against the principles they've claimed to believe in for decades/putting the BBs band name to a cause that the BB main creator doesn't believe in/ Don Jr's spokesman issuing a nasty statement about Brian? Also, there have got to be better ways to promote conservation than actually killing endangered animals. You're making no sense.

I do seem to remember that a few years ago he was complimenting his wife's (sorry - I've got into the habit of calling her Morticia because of a close resemblance to the actress who used to play that role) Christmas dinner offering - turkey!  She replied that it was good because of the sauce. If I am remembering rightly - and it sounds absurd so perhaps I'm not! - she said she had used a quart of apple cider. Turkey... cider.... he seems to be neither a vegetarian nor a teetotaller.

In fairness, cider in the U.S. usually means the non-alcoholic variety.

If Brian wants to make a statement regarding a public controversy, he cannot then hide behind his mental illness to deflect blowback. Not that is what he is doing here -- others are doing it on his behalf. It's infantilizing.

I agree with Brian and Al regarding trophy hunting. I admire their convictions. But if Brian can't be criticized because of his mental illness, does it then follow that his opinions on this matter are a result of his mental illness? Can't have it both ways.

That's pretty specious logic I think. If one invokes Brian's mental illness in defending him against these attacks (something I don't think needs to be done), it doesn't then mean that we have to assume therefore that everything he does or says is a direct proximate cause of mental illness.

The Trump Jr. response to Brian is comically disproportionate to its target or what the target said. It's overkill. That's the problem, regardless of Brian's mental health status.

It's framing a person who has never been embroiled in such politics as having willingly jumped into this cesspool of political fray simply because he said trophy hunting is gross, and wanted to clarify that he isn't "The Beach Boys" that are doing the gig. Trump Jr. is talking to Brian Wilson as if he's Joe Biden or something.

PR-wise, is it also an extra bad look to go after a target with such zeal who, mere months ago, was in the news for recurring mental health challenges? Sure. Does Trump or his ilk care? Of course not. And apparently neither does Mike "I remember Brian singing Danny Boy" Love.

Anyone who takes a stance against the Trumps OR a cause of the Trumps is automatically labeled as crazy or triggered or weak or stupid. That's just how this family works.

I took Melinda Love's post to mean that she IS embarrassed by her dad's stance on this and that it's not the first time she's been embarrassed by him. Not to say she doesn't love him, but she doesn't always agree with him.

Maybe Mike has been promised the Presidential Medal of Freedom and doesn't want to jeopardize it. 

[My friends, if I had a dollar for every time someone has said “Tell your dad________(fill in the blank)” I wouldn’t need to sell real estate or work as a flight attendant. 🤷🏼‍♀️Some days it’s all beautiful. Some days, (like today), it’s just embarrassing. You probably know what I’m talking about. Just know I already know. Xo]

Melinda Love from Facebook:

My friends, if I had a dollar for every time someone has said “Tell your dad________(fill in the blank)” I wouldn’t need to sell real estate or work as a flight attendant. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Some days it’s all beautiful. Some days, (like today), it’s just embarrassing. You probably know what I’m talking about. Just know I already know. Xo

Interesting.

[The son of the most powerful man in the world]

You want to talk about a power imbalance?  The son of the most powerful man in the world just publicly picked on/mocked a guy who was bullied - and literally has brain damage - from his bully psychiatrist, who was brought in to treat Brian's conditions resulting from his bully father.

There will never be another person in rock music hated as much as Mike. Salieri for all times.

Most any BBs fans with a conscience right now should be livid if they really think about this.

Like a broken record...the way you guys see reality under your own lens.   Mike/Beach Boys touring group/this stupid hunting organization/Trump Jr.  all of them going on about their own business doing this event.   Brian Wilson and Al Jardine independently choose to publicly BULLY THEM by publicly calling for people to boycott their concert.   Don Jr. has the audacity to respond and HE is the one who is bullying.   Geez.
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Calling for a boycott of organizations/events you don't believe in is not bullying. You think lunch counter protests of segregation were bullying? Bus boycotts? Taking a stand for what you believe in, to support the powerless against those in power, is not bullying.

Wow! Just f***!ng wow!

“Don is looking forward to his speech at the Safari Club convention and is proud to add Brian Wilson to the list of liberal Hollywood elites who he has successfully triggered,” Andy Surabian, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, said on Tuesday.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/brian-wilson-beach-boys.html

What a piece of sh!t.

I can't believe I could still be shocked by anything to come from that family, but I gasped when I read that. What a slimeball. Truly.

Though "freedom of expression" is an important principle, it's also been used to justify a lot of really horrible actions and words. I suppose you can justify supporting just about anything with "it's my right to do that."  And it loses credibility as an argument when you're using it to justify your own action yet censoring others who disagree with you.

Can anyone explain how the licensing thing works with stuff like this?  Playing at a political event is not the same thing as playing at the county fair or the concert hall down the street.  When you play something like this, it says something about your “brand”.  Do Brian, Al and Carl’s estate get any say in decisions to play events like this?  I cannot imagine Al being cool with it.  To say that it will tarnish their reputation is a huge understatement.  And the average person doesn’t know the complexities of who’s in what variation of the band, they’re just going to hear that “the Beach Boys” are playing at this big-game hunting fest and it will tarnish everyone’s reputation.  

Brian did say on twitter that "There is nothing [he and Al] can do to personally stop the show." So...I guess their vote isn't enough to put a stop to a show.
Amazing how "environmentalist" Mike is such a Trump supporter.

I was actually surprised that Brian so clearly spoke out against this Beach Boys gig and in favor of the petition. Good for him. He's a good man.

The "Carol Keen" character is portrayed as slightly older, wiser, and more worldly than Midge Maisel.  The point of the "one-night stands" discussion is to set up for a later situation that Midge finds herself in (not gonna say any more so I don't spoil it).  Carol is not slutty at all - the discussion is very matter-of-fact.  Everything about this character is very respectable.  And I doubt that the producers knew or cared about the real CK's reputation - they wanted to pay homage to a woman who definitely belonged within the Boys Club, just like Midge is trying to do as a comedian.  The fact that CK can't handle that is not their concern.

Yes, it really is about a more seasoned professional giving Midge advice on how to survive as a woman on the road. She is portrayed as kind, wise, and intelligent on a show where other characters become cartoonish in the writers' attempts to mine comedy from them. In terms of the "slutty" thing, that's not at all what they're trying to portray. Midge is sexually liberated, and Carol is portrayed that way too, but not in a way that she's sleeping with everyone she meets. I believe there's also a scene where another musician is trying to follow Carol into her hotel room and she chases him out.
They changed the name so they could take license, I'm sure, and create the character they wanted to without worrying about legal issues. They do have Lenny Bruce in the show, which is a little odd, considering he'll die at some point and the tone of the show isn't really set up for that. They use him as Midge's mentor/object of sexual tension. And they use his real name. Other characters, like Sophie Lennon, a hack-y comedian who is not a likable person and is Midge's rival in many ways, are probably based on a number of different people, but they are characters. I really do think the show thought it was just paying homage to Carol.