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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: REM - At My Most Beautiful on: February 13, 2020, 06:43:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIXs66BPooY

Probably posted before, but this track is such a beautiful nod towards Brian and the Pet Sounds album. Lovely vocals and instrumentation (notice the bass harmonica for example).


I love that song, and always thought (though this is a different topic) the album it's on, Up, is underrated.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson / Rare 1977 Interview on: February 12, 2020, 06:52:44 PM
Imagine if he was still this talkative in interviews.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 08, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
David Crosby retweeted one of the articles about the performance and Brian's statement (this was Feb 4 but I don't check Twitter every day). Probably needless to say that he praised Brian for taking a stand and had some choice words for Mike.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 08:39:15 AM
Where are people getting all the stuff about shooting lions and elephants from?

From articles like these:
https://www.wideopenspaces.com/us-ban-elephant-hunt-imports-stirs-controversy/
http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/2020/01/canadian-safari-club-chapter-shuts-down-botswana-elephant-trophy-hunt-auction-following-protests/
https://www.safariclub.org/news/sci-supports-hunting-part-lion-conservation
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 05:46:51 AM
Also, I would love to know any justification they have for playing that gig. Mike claimed some freedom of expression BS while some poor guy was being paid to delete all comments about the gig. Was it about money (of course)? Was it about ego (of course)? But for the bandmembers themselves, how do they justify this? Were they threatened to be fired if they didn’t play this gig? Do they actually think their involvement in the concert was a business transaction and not a show of support for SCI? Do they even care that the convention they played publicly asked those attending the concert (members of SCI) to “trigger”/taunt those who oppose the murder of endangered animals? Do they care that the person whose music they were playing was opposed to this concert? Do they care that Al and David were opposed to them playing this concert? Their very own idols asked them not to play and they did it anyways, does that bother them at all?

So many questions, I’m just appalled that the band went through with it. Mike has proven he’ll do just about anything for the almighty dollar, but it’s surprising the rest of the band didn’t protest this.

Oh my gosh, how can I respectfully say that you're off your freakin' rocker, man (along with a couple other of the posters).   My gosh.  A friggin' concert for fans.  I mean...put it into prospective across the 60 years of this bands history.  We've looked past the bad bad things of Dennis Wilson, Brian Wilson...geez...every band member has been associated with shady folks...played shady places in the 60's....70's....certain countries that that had horrible conditions for gays....women...people of color....   Associations with certain publications, donors....private events.... Now, they're private lives...I'm not even going to go there.   You're making this out like the worst ever and now you'll never listen to the Beach Boys.   You're anger is at a level that it feels like you'd be happy to punch Mike Love in the face right now.  All of this 'extra' stuff is not his ownership.  He just agreed to play a freakin' concert and move on.  

I could (and probably are) be totally wrong about my hunch, but you probably rarely even heard of this organization before this situation.  The hate you're showing due to your apparently endless love for these hunted animals seems overblown since I'm not sure how involved you were in fighting this organization prior to this one event.  Its like...if this petition wasn't started and caught the news media agenda, you might have not even known about it.   They were trophy hunting in the past and in the future and you'd be just talking about the upcoming beach boys box set.   So, the hypocrisy is comical.  

If Brian Wilson REALLY wants to assert his stance and attack these hunting practices in a pollical mindset to push to have it made illegal, then he should and I'll be watching.   But, then...some of the hard facts will need to be discussed.   I don't know much about this group of stupid hunters, but I hear that Africa welcomes them because of the millions in fee revenue from buying these trips, the locals get the majority of the meat from the kills to eat and the entire organization has helped on the conservation of many of these animals immensely.   That in no way justifies the action if people choose to make it illegal, but there will, of course, be impacts both positive and negative to a change.  

Man...its tough to 'type' arguments back and forth out.  So much easier to have a conversation.   Probably why I don't post much.  But, I don't want to continue to 'trigger' people.  Ha ha kidding...for goodness sake...kidding.  I'll just shut up and stop reading this topic.  

Seriously? You're really comparing the Wilsons' drug use with:
 Mike/Bruce's support of a trophy hunting organization/going against the principles they've claimed to believe in for decades/putting the BBs band name to a cause that the BB main creator doesn't believe in/ Don Jr's spokesman issuing a nasty statement about Brian? Also, there have got to be better ways to promote conservation than actually killing endangered animals. You're making no sense.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 12:33:33 PM

I do seem to remember that a few years ago he was complimenting his wife's (sorry - I've got into the habit of calling her Morticia because of a close resemblance to the actress who used to play that role) Christmas dinner offering - turkey!  She replied that it was good because of the sauce. If I am remembering rightly - and it sounds absurd so perhaps I'm not! - she said she had used a quart of apple cider. Turkey... cider.... he seems to be neither a vegetarian nor a teetotaller.

In fairness, cider in the U.S. usually means the non-alcoholic variety.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike makes a statement on: February 05, 2020, 10:41:56 AM
If Brian wants to make a statement regarding a public controversy, he cannot then hide behind his mental illness to deflect blowback. Not that is what he is doing here -- others are doing it on his behalf. It's infantilizing.

I agree with Brian and Al regarding trophy hunting. I admire their convictions. But if Brian can't be criticized because of his mental illness, does it then follow that his opinions on this matter are a result of his mental illness? Can't have it both ways.

That's pretty specious logic I think. If one invokes Brian's mental illness in defending him against these attacks (something I don't think needs to be done), it doesn't then mean that we have to assume therefore that everything he does or says is a direct proximate cause of mental illness.

The Trump Jr. response to Brian is comically disproportionate to its target or what the target said. It's overkill. That's the problem, regardless of Brian's mental health status.

It's framing a person who has never been embroiled in such politics as having willingly jumped into this cesspool of political fray simply because he said trophy hunting is gross, and wanted to clarify that he isn't "The Beach Boys" that are doing the gig. Trump Jr. is talking to Brian Wilson as if he's Joe Biden or something.

PR-wise, is it also an extra bad look to go after a target with such zeal who, mere months ago, was in the news for recurring mental health challenges? Sure. Does Trump or his ilk care? Of course not. And apparently neither does Mike "I remember Brian singing Danny Boy" Love.


Anyone who takes a stance against the Trumps OR a cause of the Trumps is automatically labeled as crazy or triggered or weak or stupid. That's just how this family works.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
I took Melinda Love's post to mean that she IS embarrassed by her dad's stance on this and that it's not the first time she's been embarrassed by him. Not to say she doesn't love him, but she doesn't always agree with him.

Maybe Mike has been promised the Presidential Medal of Freedom and doesn't want to jeopardize it.  Roll Eyes
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 07:36:18 AM
Melinda Love from Facebook:

My friends, if I had a dollar for every time someone has said “Tell your dad________(fill in the blank)” I wouldn’t need to sell real estate or work as a flight attendant. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Some days it’s all beautiful. Some days, (like today), it’s just embarrassing. You probably know what I’m talking about. Just know I already know. Xo



Interesting.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 05:13:51 PM


You want to talk about a power imbalance?  The son of the most powerful man in the world just publicly picked on/mocked a guy who was bullied - and literally has brain damage - from his bully psychiatrist, who was brought in to treat Brian's conditions resulting from his bully father.

There will never be another person in rock music hated as much as Mike. Salieri for all times.

Most any BBs fans with a conscience right now should be livid if they really think about this.

Like a broken record...the way you guys see reality under your own lens.   Mike/Beach Boys touring group/this stupid hunting organization/Trump Jr.  all of them going on about their own business doing this event.   Brian Wilson and Al Jardine independently choose to publicly BULLY THEM by publicly calling for people to boycott their concert.   Don Jr. has the audacity to respond and HE is the one who is bullying.   Geez.
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Calling for a boycott of organizations/events you don't believe in is not bullying. You think lunch counter protests of segregation were bullying? Bus boycotts? Taking a stand for what you believe in, to support the powerless against those in power, is not bullying.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 04:50:28 PM
Wow! Just f***!ng wow!

Don is looking forward to his speech at the Safari Club convention and is proud to add Brian Wilson to the list of liberal Hollywood elites who he has successfully triggered,” Andy Surabian, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, said on Tuesday.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/brian-wilson-beach-boys.html

What a piece of sh!t.


I can't believe I could still be shocked by anything to come from that family, but I gasped when I read that. What a slimeball. Truly.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 05:08:40 AM
Though "freedom of expression" is an important principle, it's also been used to justify a lot of really horrible actions and words. I suppose you can justify supporting just about anything with "it's my right to do that."  And it loses credibility as an argument when you're using it to justify your own action yet censoring others who disagree with you.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 03, 2020, 12:40:45 PM
Can anyone explain how the licensing thing works with stuff like this?  Playing at a political event is not the same thing as playing at the county fair or the concert hall down the street.  When you play something like this, it says something about your “brand”.  Do Brian, Al and Carl’s estate get any say in decisions to play events like this?  I cannot imagine Al being cool with it.  To say that it will tarnish their reputation is a huge understatement.  And the average person doesn’t know the complexities of who’s in what variation of the band, they’re just going to hear that “the Beach Boys” are playing at this big-game hunting fest and it will tarnish everyone’s reputation.  


Brian did say on twitter that "There is nothing [he and Al] can do to personally stop the show." So...I guess their vote isn't enough to put a stop to a show.
Amazing how "environmentalist" Mike is such a Trump supporter.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 03, 2020, 12:10:39 PM
I was actually surprised that Brian so clearly spoke out against this Beach Boys gig and in favor of the petition. Good for him. He's a good man.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bassist Carol Kaye Slams on: January 07, 2020, 12:36:16 PM
The "Carol Keen" character is portrayed as slightly older, wiser, and more worldly than Midge Maisel.  The point of the "one-night stands" discussion is to set up for a later situation that Midge finds herself in (not gonna say any more so I don't spoil it).  Carol is not slutty at all - the discussion is very matter-of-fact.  Everything about this character is very respectable.  And I doubt that the producers knew or cared about the real CK's reputation - they wanted to pay homage to a woman who definitely belonged within the Boys Club, just like Midge is trying to do as a comedian.  The fact that CK can't handle that is not their concern.

Yes, it really is about a more seasoned professional giving Midge advice on how to survive as a woman on the road. She is portrayed as kind, wise, and intelligent on a show where other characters become cartoonish in the writers' attempts to mine comedy from them. In terms of the "slutty" thing, that's not at all what they're trying to portray. Midge is sexually liberated, and Carol is portrayed that way too, but not in a way that she's sleeping with everyone she meets. I believe there's also a scene where another musician is trying to follow Carol into her hotel room and she chases him out.
They changed the name so they could take license, I'm sure, and create the character they wanted to without worrying about legal issues. They do have Lenny Bruce in the show, which is a little odd, considering he'll die at some point and the tone of the show isn't really set up for that. They use him as Midge's mentor/object of sexual tension. And they use his real name. Other characters, like Sophie Lennon, a hack-y comedian who is not a likable person and is Midge's rival in many ways, are probably based on a number of different people, but they are characters. I really do think the show thought it was just paying homage to Carol.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bassist Carol Kaye Slams \ on: January 06, 2020, 06:05:08 AM
Not surprising, I guess, given that she always seems to take issue with any depictions of her.

I watched Mrs. Maisel and immediately recognized that Kaye was the inspiration for that character. I guess they got a few things wrong, like didn't Kaye play regular guitar on the road and only switch to bass when she became a studio musician? But this is not Carol Kaye-- It's "Carol Keen." So I suppose they can do whatever they want.

I can see where some things would annoy Kaye. There's a conversation between Keen and the main character where she gives Midge (the main character) advice on how to handle one night stands on the road.  And I did get that she would be annoyed about the Love and Mercy scene where she's confused about Brian's arrangement. I understand that the point was to show that he was ahead of his time, but why show it by making a studio pro look like they don't understand Brian's music, and especially, why have the only woman be the one who is confused?

But overall, I think Kaye takes everything way too seriously. The upshot of having the "Carol Keen" character is that some people are being inspired to research her (or at least Google whether there were actually female musicians touring with famous singers in 1960. Midge Maisel is a woman in a field (comedy) dominated by men in 1960, and so is "Carol Keen." Why not draw attention to the challenges women faced when they stuck their necks out? I wish Carol Kaye would at least appreciate that. Oh well. I'm sure she didn't accomplish all that she did without having a strong personality.

Just a few thoughts.

First, Carole Kaye accomplished all that she did in the music business because she was a phenomenal player with a terrific sense of time and feel as well as tone, and a guitarist/bassist who could read both chord charts and actual notated parts with ease and skill. No one got into that business who wasn't at the top of their game, and specifically no one who couldn't deliver the goods was as involved in recording soundtracks and scores for film and TV like Carole Kaye. A strong personality helps, sure, but ultimately she did what she did because she was among the best in that field, and IMO one of the best of all time.

That's why I hate to see her torn down personally as some have done in the past, including members currently banned from this forum who seemed to never miss a chance to take a personal shot at her. That's not cool. Argue all day about some of the issues with her in the past, and yes some of it is both sad and confusing especially for fans of her work, but her discography and body of work as a musician should also be appreciated (and respected) for what it is and what she did in the music and film business.

I don't know if the specific scene in L&M was showing confusion as much as the reaction of a trained musician when seeing a part written in one key while the chords seem to be in another, prior to running down the tune and hearing what was scored out. It's not uncommon now or then for a musician to ask questions or even doubt what they were given to play. And the scene in L&M was not the Tommy Tedesco quote referenced specifically as is being discussed in another thread, but rather a scene with the Carole character and Brian on Wouldn't It Be Nice. I think the Tommy quote may have been misused in referencing that film scene.

Just to clarify, I wasn't at all saying Carole Kaye wasn't a fantastic and skilled player. But I think to get to a high level at just about anything, you need both talent AND a strong personality, or "grit," as they say in Freakonomics. In no way would I want to diminish Carole Kaye's skills as a musician. I'm sure ALL of those session players had both talent and grit, as did Brian. It's quite possible that as a woman, Carole had to fight a bit harder, giving her the thick skin to stand up and speak out against what she perceives as an unfair depiction. That's all I was saying.

I watched Mrs. Maisel and I don't see where she's being torn down. Quite the opposite, in fact. But I wasn't there and don't know the details of Kaye's life. Maybe they got a lot wrong.

I remember the L&M scene showing confusion, but I haven't seen the movie since it was released. I'd have to watch again. But I do remember sitting in the theater and wondering what the real Carol Kaye would think of this depiction of her.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bassist Carol Kaye Slams \ on: January 05, 2020, 03:37:26 PM
Not surprising, I guess, given that she always seems to take issue with any depictions of her.

I watched Mrs. Maisel and immediately recognized that Kaye was the inspiration for that character. I guess they got a few things wrong, like didn't Kaye play regular guitar on the road and only switch to bass when she became a studio musician? But this is not Carol Kaye-- It's "Carol Keen." So I suppose they can do whatever they want.

I can see where some things would annoy Kaye. There's a conversation between Keen and the main character where she gives Midge (the main character) advice on how to handle one night stands on the road.  And I did get that she would be annoyed about the Love and Mercy scene where she's confused about Brian's arrangement. I understand that the point was to show that he was ahead of his time, but why show it by making a studio pro look like they don't understand Brian's music, and especially, why have the only woman be the one who is confused?

But overall, I think Kaye takes everything way too seriously. The upshot of having the "Carol Keen" character is that some people are being inspired to research her (or at least Google whether there were actually female musicians touring with famous singers in 1960. Midge Maisel is a woman in a field (comedy) dominated by men in 1960, and so is "Carol Keen." Why not draw attention to the challenges women faced when they stuck their necks out? I wish Carol Kaye would at least appreciate that. Oh well. I'm sure she didn't accomplish all that she did without having a strong personality.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love's Former Santa Barbara Compound Listed For Sale on: December 05, 2019, 06:32:33 AM
That's a beautiful property. I'll just take one of the cottages overlooking the water.  Cheesy
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian on Marie Callender's pie on: December 02, 2019, 07:06:56 PM
Can you paste instagram here? It ain't available - blank space - via mobile used.
Thanks.

NB: zero idea who's "Marie Calender".

I live on the east coast of the U.S., so I know Marie Callender as a frozen food brand, but apparently it's a restaurant in LA.
Brian's instagram is BrianWilsonLive-- you can find the video there.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian on Marie Callender's pie on: December 02, 2019, 04:28:02 PM
This is hilarious--from Brian's instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B5kwzCmBROb/
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Echo in the Canyon (New documentary w/ Brian interview) on: November 22, 2019, 06:49:44 PM
I finally watched this on Netflix. As others have said, I enjoyed the anecdotes-- even some I'd heard before--and I especially enjoyed Brian coming into the studio and telling Jakob he was in the wrong key! Brian was quite animated (for him) in his interview, which was nice to see. But there were some key players left out of the story.

Also, I thought it was WAY too much Jakob Dylan. I'm from his generation, and I'm a fan of Beck and Fiona Apple and Regina Spektor, all of whom appeared. But the film purported to be a tribute to this 60s music, yet it kept cutting to Dylan's versions of these classic songs rather than the originals. Yes, I know, it was supposed to be a promo for Jakob's tribute album, blah, blah. Also, the interviews kept cutting to Jakob and his really useless, "Hmms" and "Yeahs." The way the interviews are shot, you see the subject and Jakob sitting next to each other, and it keeps cutting to him for his nothing reactions. The ending credits said "starring" Jakob Dylan" and featuring everyone else. It would have been nice for him to step aside a little bit, especially since he didn't have much to say.


22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New interview with Al and Brian on: September 10, 2019, 06:01:18 AM
Al's got some great insights. I wish he'd write a book. (He hasn't, has he?)
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Nicky Wonder on: August 07, 2019, 05:57:59 PM
Wow, how sad. I looked up his age and he was only 59. I never met him but I've seen the band a few times, and he was obviously integral. I still remember that scene in Beautiful Dreamer where Brian makes him do "You're under arrest" repeatedly. Condolences to all his friends and family.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 06, 2019, 01:37:28 PM
I just saw this interview with Al Jardine, where he mentions Matt Jardine singing the falsetto parts. I didn't realize Matt was back with Brian's band.

Here's the link: https://www.wnypapers.com/news/article/featured/2019/08/03/137995/historic-event-and-rarefied-air-when-brian-wilson-al-jardine-perform-pet-sounds

I'm looking forward to reviews, as well as seeing what's on the playlist, for tonight's show.

Apart from a few interludes (last year's XMas tour), Matt has been full time with the band since 2015. (And also did some 2014 gigs as well).

Glad to see the Al interview. It's standard boilerplate tour promotion, but it's good to get Al out there to promote the shows.

Pretty funny, the article transcribes one song title Al mentions as "Little Do Scoop."

It also says that Al wrote "Sloop John B"

In the interview, Al seems to take credit for the arrangement, which is odd. I thought Al did an arrangement and gave it to Brian and then Brian vastly improved on it.
But Al generally comes off as being so humble. I love what he says about Brian:

Q: You’ve been doing this with Brian for a long time. What does he mean to you at this point in your career – and what does he mean to you as a friend and as a tour mate?

Al Jardine: Well, he means everything to me. You know, we grew up together. We went to school together. Started the band together. We’re very close to one another and share an awful lot of memories. (Laughs)

Unfortunately, he has some health issues. His back has been bothering him for years, and he needs a little help getting on and off stage. But other than that, he’s terrific. And we have a great rapport with one another.

He’s the real thing. Let’s put it that way. We didn’t appreciate it at the time, but it’s become pretty clear to everyone that he’s an exceptional human being, and a wonderful, wonderful arranger/songwriter/producer, you name it. He owns it. Even Paul McCartney bows down to Brian and his compositional genius. And we respect Paul a lot, too, of course.



25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get Well Brian on: July 29, 2019, 02:17:52 PM


Anyone happen to notice his left elbow? Is that a bandage for perhaps an injury?

It looks like an on body injector covered by gauze, the kind they use for patients following the last round of chemo. Maybe they are using one for his pain meds?




There must be another reason for Brian's bandage...right?
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