Come November "Good Vibrations" won't be the apex of the band's achievements.

How about some love beads?

If you (or I) are confusing hip with a popularity contest then I agree with you. The weird thing about the mid sixties is that those two things met at the same time!

TRBB said:

That's the same mentality that nurtured the creation of the band's best works.

So Siegel got it completely wrong.

The question of "hip?" is in the genes of the SMiLE myth.

It is the foundation of Jules Siegel's article, Goodbye Surfing Hello God!.

It was important to Dennis & Brian in '66.




 

The Real Beach Boy said:

Honestly (and I'm not trying to stir the pot), who cares?

This release is a chance to reevaluate the sixties. If you couldn't care less then by all means: be true to yourself.

Jon Stebbins is completely correct in his new book. The title "Do You Like Worms?" was a mindblower.

For years it been been Pet Sounds & Good Vibrations prove the Beach Boys were hip.

Now it's time to present the real evidence!!!!

Are opinions going to change in early November?

P.J. said:

Another thing: "Psyco"delic Sounds instead of Psychedelic Sounds? What is that about?

Alan Boyd said that's the way it was spelled on the tape box.

The GV promo is Brian's SMiLE era thinking on display. The only thing missing is VDP lyrics.

The images presented and the deeper meanings within are lost on those approaching things from a practical perspective.

And it's Indian wisdom as in India, not as in American Indian.

This SMiLE release is going to be cool.

Sweet Mountain by Spring.

Going back to the post that started this thread, IMHO the reason that SMiLE didn't come out was because of Brian Wilson. Why do you think it's coming out in November? Brian said it was okay.

I think it was in '68 when Brian said something about SMiLE being personal but not right for the public. He was good with it but maybe it wasn't right, or 'inappropriate', for the masses.

This is all awesome SMiLE stuff. The challenge is to make everything work out okay so that you can explain nearly everything. Awesome. I have my answer.

Sorry to be such a pain but someone said this about Barbara Rovell's red shirt in the GV video:

Sorry Bill, all it means is that morning she picked a red top out of the closet that day..

As you know Brian W. was a control freak on the details. Your claim may very well not be the case.

I like the "Sloop John B." sheet music shot. Seems like a SMiLE picture to me. The red on Brian with the red #1 on the engine. Reminds me of all the red circular references in the GV promo film & the reddish sun in Frank Holmes' drawings for SMiLE. Children typically make a yellow sun but Frank's were more on the red side of things. Coincidence maybe, just like the reddish tone of the photographs in the smile booklet.

The Beach Boys' SMiLE era clothes were the Western shirt with the check pattern and the moccasins. Pretty SMiLE don't you think? There is apparently significance and meaning attached to the clothes some people connected to the SMiLE era wore.

Columnated Kingston Trio striped shirt ruins turn into chessboard (too obvious, let's switch it to dominoes) domino. Frank, put a chessboard & dominos in two of your pictures.

The "How Dry I Am" pattern could just as well be known as the "You Are My Sunshine" pattern. When Al Kooper heard "H&V" in May of 67 it was what he called the "You Are My Sunshine" version.

That being said the idea of "How Dry I Am" is an intriguing one especially when one considers the "I could really use a drop to drink" line from what's arguably the climax of BWPS.

Another interesting thing to consider is that the majority of "How Dry I Am" numbers are from the first movement of BWPS. This is also the movement which contains the most fire references (from 'fanned the flame of the dance,' 'steamed upon Hawaii,' 'the cook is chopping lumber,' 'fire mellow,''who ran the iron'). Steven Desper disclosed that "H&V" & "Fire" were mystically connected in Brian's mind. Also Philip Lambert connects the "Who Ran The Iron Horse" music to that of "Fire."

The general idea would be that being in a fire can really dry you out.

Andrew G. Doe said:

Sorry Bill, all it means is that morning she picked a red top out of the closet that day..

More important to me is the question - is that ball made by Wilson, or not ?

Obviously this quote is brilliant as usual because Andrew is alluding to the movie SECONDS & Rock Hudson's lead character Tony Wilson. Wilson say's, "It all began with a big red ball" as he draws a big ball. So Andrew's insightful comment, "...is that ball made by Wilson" certainly is not missed by this lucky reader.

That then begs the larger question about the movie SECONDS seemingly mysteriously knowing Brian's edits for the unreleased GV promo film prior to the promo's premiere and whether this line may have made Brian uncomfortable. Excellent work Mr. Doe.

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/seconds-script-transcript-rock-hudson.html

Jules Siegel's facebook photos include a shot of him in the GV film.

Slightly off topic but according to the Todd Gold book, the GV single (more specifically the production thereof) was envisioned during BW's 3rd trip (as you'll recall this is the water trip after the fire trip). So then, the genius Todd Gold worked out an imaginative connection between all this weird unexplained phenomena from the mid sixties. Let's face it Todd Gold puts Lewis Shiner to shame as far as this stuff goes. Gold figured out SMiLE & everything!!!

I incorrectly said:

I would say that SMiLE's initial promise is well founded and that the hype from those days was completely justified!!!!

Actually the hype from those days doesn't do it justice. I was a few levels beyond the hype.

I would say that SMiLE's initial promise is well founded and that the hype from those days was completely justified!!!!

What's the opposite of 'myths busted'?

Where did Jules Siegel live at that time?

Regarding Good Vibrations & the promo video....

Looking for connections here. Who knows what it's all about? Provide your stuff.

If you've got NOTHING under your hats, try my prior post.

Some of the connections between the discredited bio's account of Brian's 2nd trip & the GV film are:

1) Fire engines
2) Firemen
3) Things going backward in time
4) An apartment
5) Firemen falling down & stuff like that
6) Barbara Rovell

Some of the connections between the discredited bio's account of Brian's 2nd trip & the GV film are:

1) Fire engines
2) Firemen
3) Things going backward in time
4) An apartment
5) Firemen falling down & stuff like that
6) Barbara Rovell

Cuz Barbara was part of Bri's fire trip experience (if one is to believe--or even entertain the possibility of-- the Barbara/2nd trip part of the bio).

Haven't been paying attention but this thread is awesome because I just learned that the girl in the GV film is Barbara Rovell(thanks Jon Stebbins).

What's sooo cool about this is the color RED, and I have to also add that Brian's bio fits into this as well(sorry anti bio at all cost gang).

Holy crap! See how the red represents Brian's fire trip?!!! Come on folks.

How cool!!!! How freakin' cool!!!!