Just an FYI Billy, e-mails to me are held in strict confidence unless authorized by both parties to share. I was going to await your feedback on this before moving forward. Guitarfool keeps coming on to me and it's getting to the point now where I'm against the wall with his accusations and have to fight back. That's what I would do in a physical altercation before getting beat up. He keeps asking for proof and I was ready to provide more. The evidence is in the pudding. I have more (see comments toward GF from other posters on the thread in question). Call me a Chickenshit or whatever you want, but I will bow out now before I get banned again. Any further communication that I have with GF will be through PM and I will copy you, Billy.

My initial comment on this thread was to warn another poster not to push the mod (or others) too far. Guitarfool chose to go public with my experience with him and my ban, essentially saying that I "lied" and to prove it. He called me out on it. So my subsequent posts were intended to counter his claim that I lied. And I'm still not done yet! I still have "proof" through a private e-mail AND the thread in question to support my side of things. If Guitarfool wants to take it further on the board, I will. I don't like to be called a liar and neither does anyone else, I'm sure. And if others want to bring up past experiences with me like Mujan has, you're more than welcome! There are quite a few people on this board who I regard as friends, some of which have addressed me on the board, and have PM'ed and e-mailed me privately. Thanks for that!

This is a crock of sh*t but at this point I'm not surprised at all considering the source and the way lies have been used to make a case against me for some reason.

It's kid stuff to try arguing with the irrational and the lies. Now I have to revert back to "who started it" kind of sh*t? No.

Anyone with eyes and a brain can see the first post you made that was designed entirely to blast off on me over an axe you've been grinding from this 7 day timeout last month.

You chose to do it the chickenshit way rather than address the moderators in private, you chose to LIE after the explanation was given to you immediately after it happened, you chose to distort and twist what actually happened to make me look like i did something wrong, and now you're lying about how all this came into the thread.

You point-blank made charges and claims against me that I banned people on a whim and banned someone because of a discussion not going my way. You lied about me trying to persuade and influence others into doing something against you. You lied about the reasons for the time out as explained specifically to you.

And you knew all along there were privacy concerns at play here which I would not post private messages or emails, so you thought it would be good to try fucking me over in public.

Why should I or any of the moderators at this point give you any benefit of the doubt since your entire diatribe about this since YOU BROUGHT IT UP by accusing me falsely has been based on lies and distortions?

We have the entire string of messages, emails, board posts, everything else which played into the decision. It was a mutual, agreed decision, not something I nor anyone else did on their own initiative or with spite.

Can you fucking accept that without trying to lie your way out of it, or wrongly place the blame on my shoulders to prove a point? Do you get a gold star or something for trying to take shots at me in public?

This is the most pathetic and childish crap I've encountered on this board. Having to defend lies and knowing there are privacy issues that would keep me and most rational people from pasting the full story on a public board, Mikie to be blunt this is chickenshit and it is the stuff that has ruined the board.

Now the lie is I started this whole thing. I don't have to say prove it because the proof can be found by anyone tracing back this thread and seeing the bullshit you posted. And continuing to lie and distort publicly rather than presenting something to back it up, or doing what should have been the right thing to do all along, which would have been taking it up with Billy and I privately. Even though Billy already explained all of this to you.

It's too bad you're not man enough to accept what he said and move on after a month of this.

Mikie, it was 7 days not being able to post here for f***'s sake. And it was kept off the board, so no one knew until you decided to air it out here and do so by lying about it.

All i can say is, we lost a very, very good person in all of this, and it was a maldito shame to see it happen over someone who cannot accept or deal in the truth and something as silly as a 7 day no-post timeout that could have been over and done and forgotten by this point.

Keep it classy, man.

Actually Guitarfool, it's not a crock of sh*t at all. Far from it, in fact. But you're very persistent, I'll give you that!

My last resort here will be a communique that I had with Billy. The day I was banned, I sent him an e-mail questioning him why I was banned and he sent me a reply a couple of days later after he "had a chance to sort things out". I choose not to embarrass him, but maybe it will serve to put your accusations (and your list of 4-5 questions) to rest. If you guys don't mind, I'll post it right here. Because the more you try to diminish MY rep here, the more ridiculous it seems. You chose NOT to go to PM with this, so maybe I should "cover my butt" and lay out what was communicated to me via a mod.

Not everyone is laughing. And I take that aspect of it personally. But due to respect for privacy concerns, I'm not going to make it a public issue exactly why that is. And for those similar concerns, the reasons why some things were done and the reasons why it was so offensive to me to have to read an untrue version of things that happened which turned into having to defend something based on those misrepresentations cannot and will not be aired out beyond that point on a public forum.

I didnt mean to downplay the accusations against you. But...personally, I know youre a good guy. A couple other people gave a shoutout to what a great job you mods do. Dont let one dude get to you so much. I've had my serious beefs with Mikie in the past. I dont know what makes him say the things he does in such an aggressive way sometimes, but thats just who he is evidently. For better or worse.

That WAS the past and you had to bring it up again. Nobody cares about our disagreement in the past. You indicated that you don't know what I'm talking about on this thread, you don't care, yet you decide to chime in and add fuel to the fire. Not a good way to strengthen your relationship with other posters.

Because it's indicative of your personality. I was just trying to let guitarfool know that nobody else really knows or cares what your little fight is all about. You cant please everyone, so he shouldnt get so hung up on the fact that one person is displeased. How is that adding fuel to the fire? And y'know...Ive basically given up on having a good relationship with most posters here. If I talk about SMiLE it's "cocksure gaslighting" or some such according to buddhahat, if I weigh in on a petty feud that you had no issue airing in public Im adding "fuel to the fire" according to you, if I weigh in on some bad things a band member did Im a "hater" according to the Kokomo crowd...I cant win. So I dont care and just say what I want to regardless.

EDIT: Seriously though, I really cant see the logic behind airing a personal feud thats unrelated to the topic at hand in public, making a big spectacle of calling out one of the mods in front of everyone over something Im sure very few know or care about and then acting all righteous and indignant when someone else adds their two cents to it. Isnt this what you must have wanted airing your dirty laundry in public? Or are you upset that we're not rallying to your cause and hanging guitarfool out to dry? I really dont understand, what's the point of fighting in public if you didnt expect other people to comment?

My initial comment on this thread was to warn another poster not to push the mod (or others) too far. Guitarfool chose to go public with my experience with him and my ban, essentially saying that I "lied" and to prove it. He called me out on it. So my subsequent posts were intended to counter his claim that I lied. And I'm still not done yet! I still have "proof" through a private e-mail AND the thread in question to support my side of things. If Guitarfool wants to take it further on the board, I will. I don't like to be called a liar and neither does anyone else, I'm sure. And if others want to bring up past experiences with me like Mujan has, you're more than welcome! There are quite a few people on this board who I regard as friends, some of which have addressed me on the board, and have PM'ed and e-mailed me privately. Thanks for that!

Not everyone is laughing. And I take that aspect of it personally. But due to respect for privacy concerns, I'm not going to make it a public issue exactly why that is. And for those similar concerns, the reasons why some things were done and the reasons why it was so offensive to me to have to read an untrue version of things that happened which turned into having to defend something based on those misrepresentations cannot and will not be aired out beyond that point on a public forum.

I didnt mean to downplay the accusations against you. But...personally, I know youre a good guy. A couple other people gave a shoutout to what a great job you mods do. Dont let one dude get to you so much. I've had my serious beefs with Mikie in the past. I dont know what makes him say the things he does in such an aggressive way sometimes, but thats just who he is evidently. For better or worse.

That WAS the past and you had to bring it up again. Nobody cares about our disagreement in the past. You indicated that you don't know what I'm talking about on this thread, you don't care, yet you decide to chime in and add fuel to the fire. Not a good way to strengthen your relationship with other posters.

You want to make it public, eh?

OK.

I was NEVER warned or told beforehand that I might be banned.  After I was banned, I had to ASK another Mod via e-mail why I was banned because I had no clue why.

Reason?

For supposedly "tag-teaming" with Mike's Beard against Debbie Leavitt.  HUH?  WHAT!? NO sh*t??

Yep. And Guitarfool actually pressured others into seeing it his way after Debbie and Wirestone complained. This was coincidentally right after I'd seen how the proceedings of the thread had progressively gone downhill, I thought that free speech was compromised with some posters, and I decided to stick up for the underdogs who had their own views and who were trying to get their point across but were being squelched in the process.

Now. Tell me about this lie I told, Guitarfool!

Here is the thread in question. This was the last post I made on the thread before being banned. I encourage you to read my posts before this to see if there's any indication that I was aggressive or pushing an agenda or a hint that I would be banned for violating any rules. Does it really look like like I'm "tag-teaming" with Mike's Beard against anyone? There was no warning at any time from any of the Mods, either on the board or by PM, that I might or would be be banned.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20337.275.html

Lemme tell you somethin', Guitarfool. What you're doing now is egging me on to say things openly in a public forum that will ultimately get me banned (again). Unfortunately, YOU hold the ban switch, and I'm not stupid!! I won't get enticed into a heated exchange with you because one of us will end up with the short end of the stick and by default it will be me. I'd be more than happy to put the link to the thread in question right here and let EVERYONE be a mod here and decide whether it warranted me getting a 7 day "timeout" or not. Do you want to do that? I have no problem with that! You want to make this a public discussion, then let's do it! My cred won't be hurt a bit from it!! It's up to you, my friend, but don't say I'm a liar - it just ain't true!

When Real Beach Boy resigned from being a Mod here, my opinion was solicited on whether you should get the nod. I gave the 2 thumbs up for you. I pulled for you because you seemed half-way intelligent and you seemed fair. But you turned on me. Unfortunately, the latter turned out to be untrue.

And ultimately 2 people I respect a TON...GF and Mikie come to blows...BECAUSE of the never-ending Mike Love's a dink show.  Mikie...remember what you told me.  It's happening for what?  No valid reason.  Cool.  Just cool.  GuitarFool.  Easy.  This won't work out well for the board.  It's amazing the things which grow out of SOMEBODY ELSE'S bullshit.  Doc and Mikie aren't the problem

Thanks for that, Lee, and thanks for the PM. I'll drop it for now and will deal with it behind the scenes later. I never responded to my unfair "timeout" before now, and I probably should have. My fault. I still stand by the simple advice I gave you earlier, and you obviously already know how to take the high road.  

Like what, Guitarfool? Tell me just ONE lie that I've told on the board. NO PM, put it right here for everybody to see it. And I'll respond accordingly. Is it about you banning me after you and two others didn't agree with my opinion? And let me know how I supposedly "piled on" by agreeing with someone else's opinion.

Tell me where I lied ANYWHERE on the board and I'll address it with the absolute truth, Guitarfool. Promise!

All of this is a lie:

Careful, Dirk. He'll ban you with the flick of a switch. When he starts wielding his power, time to take the hint and save it for a rainy day.

Your friend,

Mikie


No PM's, no warnings, no nuthin'. You never see it coming. Just wake up the next morning and surprise! The ban hammer has been lowered for a week!

Preferential treatment is the order of the day. If he doesn't agree with what you're saying even after he's been driving his point home forever and a day, you're gone!  

All of it, completely false and what is even worse is that you know it's false but want to take a shot at me so everyone can read it. That's low.

Nope. Not my intention at all. The absolute truth, like I said. It's black & white. No PM's, no warnings, no nothing. Complete surprise. Like I said, I don't lie, especially about something like that. I've never been known to slander people.

Billy, I have never had an issue with you. You do a great job as far as I am concerned. I read your post, but I was replying to gf2k.

Same here.

Well this thread certainly took turn...

I consider Fillthepage my friend. And RangeRover too. And I enjoy reading Amy's and Cyncie's posts. Pretty Funky is funky pretty. What happened to Amanda Hart?

I'm right here! Just been a busy/stressful time, so I probably only browse around here 2x/week max.

Good to see you're still around. Enjoyed your post from Chicago this week!

Like what, Guitarfool? Tell me just ONE lie that I've told on the board. NO PM, put it right here for everybody to see it. And I'll respond accordingly. Is it about you banning me after you and two others didn't agree with my opinion? And let me know how I supposedly "piled on" by agreeing with someone else's opinion.

Tell me where I lied ANYWHERE on the board and I'll address it with the absolute truth, Guitarfool. Promise!

I call bullshit. Do your job. Mike Love nor anyone else should have to read what was posted. I agree with what you said above, but it has nothing to do with RTS's post. We who are offended by the post should not have to defend our position. What he said cannot be argued reasonably. It would just be more sh*t throwing.

Careful, Dirk. He'll ban you with the flick of a switch. When he starts wielding his power, time to take the hint and save it for a rainy day.

Your friend,

Mikie

He's not the only mod here, and none of us do anything without discussing it with each other first.

No PM's, no warnings, no nuthin'. You never see it coming. Just wake up the next morning and surprise! The ban hammer has been lowered for a week!

Preferential treatment is the order of the day. If he doesn't agree with what you're saying even after he's been driving his point home forever and a day, you're gone!  

I'm still hanging onto this one. I shouldn't, but I am.  Anything further on the subject, I'd be more than happy to take it to PM.

I call bullshit. Do your job. Mike Love nor anyone else should have to read what was posted. I agree with what you said above, but it has nothing to do with RTS's post. We who are offended by the post should not have to defend our position. What he said cannot be argued reasonably. It would just be more sh*t throwing.

Careful, Dirk. He'll ban you with the flick of a switch. When he starts wielding his power, time to take the hint and save it for a rainy day.

Your friend,

Mikie

(Anybody else think raphph is not who he seems? *cough*)

You're suggesting that "Raphph" might be...............................Brad?  

[SOLD!]

SOLD!   How do I get one autographed? Or are you going to do any book signings in the S.F. Bay Area, Jim?

Well, I was exaggerating a little bit, LS. This is one of those releases that almost came together back in 2000 and most people still have a sour taste in their mouths over it. "First Wave" has a very attractive track listing and collectors would snap it up in a minute, just like they did, or almost did, back in 2000. The problem is the solicitation of funds prior to the project coming together. If it were offered with the package being already complete, it would be a different story.

Raphael, you have to understand, and you seem like a smart guy so I know you do; many collectors were burned by the last offering of these tracks in 2000. People fronted their money for the CD set and did not get a refund when it didn't happen. This was unexpected and people learned their lessons from it. I'm sure that many, including myself, want to see the goods physically materialize first before laying out money for the product.

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.

FWIW, I did get a refund from him two weeks after the cancellation was announced. He offered either a refund, or to have him hold on until he got the legal crap untwisted, at which point you'd get your copy of First Wave; I opted for the refund.

For me, I waited a little bit before ordering "First Wave" from Brad, then he told me to hold payment because the CD's weren't pressed yet - he was expecting them soon. He didn't say anything about legal action at that point. I'm glad I waited and didn't send money. With the Sessions book - he wanted me to front $100 (You got your name printed in the book) but I held back for awhile until I could see if others sent money. Next thing I hear is the book is on "indefinite hold" and people who sent in money weren't being refunded. So I'm glad I didn't send money for either the "First Wave" set or the "Sessions" book!

And I wouldn't hold your breath for "Raphael" to give you a refund. That's Brad's responsibility.

Bring back Taylor Mills!

Totally agree, Don. I miss the eye candy and the good female voice too! 

LOST AND FOUND

1 Luau (Previously Unissued)   
2 Surfin' (Previously Unissued)   
3 Studio Chatter   
4 Surfin' (First Take, Unissued)   
5 Studio Chatter   
6 Surfin (Master Take X-301)   
7 Studio Chatter   
8 Luau (First Take, Unissued)   
9 Luau (Master Take "B" Side Of X-301)   
10 Barbie (Stereo)   
11 What Is A Young Girl Made Of (Stereo, Previously Unissued)   
12 Surfin' Safari (Unissued Take)   
13 Studio Chatter   
14 Surfin' Safari (Approved Master Take)   
15 Studio Chatter   
16 Surfer Girl (Approved Master Take)   
17 Judy (Previously Unissued Take)   
18 Judy (Approved Master Take)   
19 Beach Boy Stomp (Karate) (Unissued Long Version)   
20 Surfin' Safari (Attempt At Overdubbing, Unissued `61 Demo In Stereo)   
21 Lavender (Previously Unissued)


FIRST WAVE (PRELUDE TO SUMMER)

Disc One
Recorded September 15, 1961

 1. Surfin' (demo) 2:24
 2. Luau (demo, take 1) 1:37
 3. Luau (demo, take 2) 1:39 *
 4. Luau (demo, take 3) 1:37 *
 5. Lavender (demo, take 1) 2:17 *
 6. Lavender (demo, take 2) 1:07 *
 7. Lavender (demo, take 3) 2:18 *
 8. Lavender (demo, take 4) 2:22 *

Recorded October 3, 1961

 9. Surfin' (take 1) 0:16
 10. Surfin' (take 2) 2:22
 11. Surfin' (take 3) 0:31 *
 12. Surfin' (take 4) 2:26 *
 13. Surfin' (take 5) 2:25 *
 14. Surfin' (take 6) 1:02 *
 15. Surfin' (take 7) 2:28 *
 16. Surfin' (take 2:21
 17. Luau (take 1) 0:20
 18. Luau (take 2) 1:51
 19. Luau (take 3) 0:29 *
 20. Luau (take 5) 0:08 *
 21. Luau (take 6) 1:50 *
 22. Luau (take 7) 1:51 *
 23. Luau (take 0:13 *
 24. Luau (take 9) 0:07 *
 25. Luau (take 10) 0:22 *
 26. Luau (take 11) 1:53 *
 27. Luau (take 12) 1:50
 28. Lavender (take 1) 0:47 *
 29. Lavender (take 2) 1:22 *
 30. Lavender (take 4) 2:35 *

Recorded February 8, 1962

 31. Surfin' Safari (take 3) 0:30 *
 32. Surfin' Safari (take 4) 2:18 *
 33. Surfin' Safari (take 5) 0:27 *
 34. Surfin' Safari (take 6) 2:18 *
 35. Surfin' Safari (take 10) 2:07 *
 36. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 1 on take 6) 2:24
 37. Surfin' Safari (overdub take 2 on take 10) 2:17
 38. Surfin' Safari (stereo overdub on take 6) 2:06
 39. Surfin' Safari (mono single mix) 2:01

Disc Two
Recorded February 8, 1962

 1. Surfer Girl (take 1) 2:02 *
 2. Surfer Girl (take 2) 2:48 *
 3. Surfer Girl (take 3) 1:33 *
 4. Surfer Girl (take 4) 2:24 *
 5. Surfer Girl (take 5) 1:54 *
 6. Surfer Girl (take 6) 2:18 *
 7. Surfer Girl (overdub take 1 on take 4) 2:33
 8. Judy (take 1) 2:18 *
 9. Judy (take 2) 2:35 *
 10. Judy (overdub take 1 on take 2) 2:29
 11. Judy (overdub take 2 on take 2) 2:41
 12. Beach Boy Stomp (take 1) 1:34 *
 13. Beach Boy Stomp (rehearsal fragment) 0:25 *
 14. Beach Boy Stomp (take 2) 1:01 *
 15. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 1 on take 1) 1:32 *
 16. Beach Boy Stomp (overdub take 2 on take 1) 1:38

Recorded March 8, 1962

 17. Barbie (overdub take 1) 2:36 *
 18. Barbie (overdub take 2) 0:16 *
 19. Barbie (overdub take 3) 0:23 *
 20. Barbie (overdub take 4) 1:08 *
 21. Barbie (overdub take 5) 1:53 *
 22. Barbie (overdub take 6) 2:41
 23. Barbie (overdub take 7) 2:45
 24. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 1) 2:55 *
 25. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 2) 1:58 *
 26. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 3) 0:18 *
 27. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 4) 2:23
 28. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 5) 2:24
 29. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (overdub take 6) 2:23 *
 30. Barbie (mono single mix) 2:22
 31. What Is A Young Girl Made Of? (mono single mix) 2:11

He took all that money for the first wave project and never returned it when it didn't happen.

That's not all. 

It'd be nice to see this happen. Now if we could get some kind of release of the 1962 Beach Boys/Gary Usher session...

I'm in, but they'd better hurry the hell up before Bruce Morgan starts writing Cease and Desist orders!

All but 5 tracks are unreleased.  I thought we got most of the good stuff in "Lost & Found".

Brad Elliot is a scumbag.

And why is that, Smile Brian?

Female bored members?

I consider Fillthepage my friend. And RangeRover too. And I enjoy reading Amy's and Cyncie's posts. Pretty Funky is funky pretty. What happened to Amanda Hart?

And I almost forgot Shady and SmileBrian.                Oh wait, they're not females.......  

This is very cool.

I haven't seen Brian THIS engaged an quite awhile. He's totally into it and looks happy to be there!  And Mertins playing the Theramin/Tannerin part to Good Vibrations on a flute/piccolo. A little different. And Matt with an acoustic in his hands in addition to percussion and the high parts. Good to see him back in the mix!

The camera angle, eh? Right there next to 'em on stage! Very cool.