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126  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stereo Smile Sessions Album on: October 23, 2011, 12:35:07 AM
On thing I would have liked to be included extra are some clean mono and stereo mixes of some of the songs (Look without the flow in vocals, Holidays without the ending vocals, etc). I'm going to make a disc using the stereo session material (the master takes) and edit them out of the sessions and give them a basic fade out, and include a mono and a stereo mix.

I'm sure there will be some new stereo album mixes made by fans, and I hope some of them may be as good (or even better) as Purple Chick's stereo mix. The advantage of having this new disc 1 mix is that a new, complete fan mix doesn't have to use parts of BWPS.
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your first SMiLE experience.. on: October 22, 2011, 02:47:34 AM
The Purple Chick Smile Reconstruction, a few years ago.
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 20, 2011, 02:52:21 AM
From the list:

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"My Children Were Raised", vocal session, unknown takes(mono) (3:03)
"My Children Were Raised", vocal overdub (stereo) (0:17)
"My Children Were Raised", master take (mono) (0:26)
"My Children Were Raised", mono mix (mono) (0:20)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" ("My Children Were Raised", mono mix), Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (vocal session), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (vocal overdub and master take)


Two things: the sessions are available on Archaeology (d1 t7/8) edited, but in much better quality. The vocal overdub in stereo is not on Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2, but HAVSessionsParts1&2. Again, edited and better quality on Arch, d1 end of track 8.
 The mono master take (with all the vocal and instrumental overdubs) is on HAVSVol.2, in mono, 0:29, with more chatter than any other source I believe.

Going back to the verse sessions, there is the instrumental verse with the Smiley Smile instrumental overdubs in mono on the GV Boxset. Is that on your list yet?

EDIT: the complete sessions (and the stereo vocal overdub) are on Heroes And Vibrations as well. They are much clearer, but lossy sourced and I think quite heavily noise reduced. Maybe both discs, (HAVSP1&2 and Heroes And Vibrations) should be given as a source for the complete sessions. In any case, Archaeology still has the best quality, but is not complete.
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 20, 2011, 12:01:50 AM
I actually don't know where all the unbooted material is as well. The Real Beach Boy, can you post a list where all the unbooted material can be found?

Today I'll continue with checking all the HAV recordings.
130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 19, 2011, 12:04:16 PM
Hi, I can't find that session as well. The Real Beach Boy, could you point us in the right direction? (maybe you listed the 'dit dit dit, heroes and villains' sessions as the dumb whistle sessions, as they contain a huge amount of dum's as well)
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 19, 2011, 12:59:29 AM
Thanks The Real Beach Boy for updating the list! It's getting better and better. I continued with Bicycle Rider:


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"Bicycle Rider", 1st vocal overdub (stereo) (0:35)
"Bicycle Rider", 2nd vocal overdub (stereo) (0:34)
"Bicycle Rider", 3rd vocal overdub (stereo) (0:38)
"Bicycle Rider", 4th vocal overdub (stereo) (0:35)
"Bicycle Rider", 1st mono mix from acetate (mono) (0:32)
"Bicycle Rider", 2nd mono mix from acetate (mono) (0:27)
"Bicycle Rider", stereo mix (0:36)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" ("Bicycle Rider", first three vocal overdubs),Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two ("Bicycle Rider", fourth vocal overdub), Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (mono mix from acetate), An American Band ("Bicycle Rider", unknown stereo mix), Vigotone 2-CD "Smile" ("Bicycle Rider", alternate mono mix from acetate)


I think the 4th vocal overdub might be just an other stereo mix, I can't hear any new vocals. The same mix is available on Archaeology (d1t15) in much better quality than HAVSParts1&2 (track2, 0:56-1:31).

Paul
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 18, 2011, 03:49:46 PM

12-27-66

Part 2, two revised version mono mix attempts (mono) (3:40)
Version 4, part 2 takes 1-10 (mono/stereo) (5:26)
Version 4, part 2 vocal overdub (mono/stereo) (0:41)
Version 4, part 2 stereo mix (stereo) (0:42)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (Part 2, second revised version mono mix attempt), Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (Part 2, first revised version mono mix attempt, version 4, part 2 takes 1-10, version 4, part 2 vocal overdub), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (Version 4, part 2 stereo mix)

Some mono mix attempts. Version 4, part 2 is the slow "dit dit dit heroes and villains" refrain.


Am I right in thinking that takes 1 - 10 as described above appear at the end of track 4 on HAVSP1&2, and are mainly 'dum dum dum' vocal sessions ?

Am I also righting that the stereo mix appears immediately afterwards, and that the vocal overdub is a whistle overdub at the start of track 9 on HAVSP1&2 (and also available on Arch d1t10)?




Am I right in thinking that takes 1 - 10 as described above appear at the end of track 4 on HAVSP1&2, and are mainly 'dum dum dum' vocal sessions ?  - Yes.

Am I also righting that the stereo mix appears immediately afterwards - No, I actually think that is the vocal mix. As I posetd earlier, I think there isn't a stereo mix at all, because the source for it in the list is HAVSVol.2 - but that is a mono mix.

and that the vocal overdub is a whistle overdub at the start of track 9 on HAVSP1&2 (and also available on Arch d1t10)? - No, this is another section, also with dum's, but it's the section that goes right before the false barnyard fade in the Cantina HAV mix.

Hope that helps!

Paul
133  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 18, 2011, 03:49:12 PM

12-27-66

Part 2, two revised version mono mix attempts (mono) (3:40)
Version 4, part 2 takes 1-10 (mono/stereo) (5:26)
Version 4, part 2 vocal overdub (mono/stereo) (0:41)
Version 4, part 2 stereo mix (stereo) (0:42)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (Part 2, second revised version mono mix attempt), Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (Part 2, first revised version mono mix attempt, version 4, part 2 takes 1-10, version 4, part 2 vocal overdub), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (Version 4, part 2 stereo mix)

Some mono mix attempts. Version 4, part 2 is the slow "dit dit dit heroes and villains" refrain.


Am I right in thinking that takes 1 - 10 as described above appear at the end of track 4 on HAVSP1&2, and are mainly 'dum dum dum' vocal sessions ?

Am I also righting that the stereo mix appears immediately afterwards, and that the vocal overdub is a whistle overdub at the start of track 9 on HAVSP1&2 (and also available on Arch d1t10)?




Am I right in thinking that takes 1 - 10 as described above appear at the end of track 4 on HAVSP1&2, and are mainly 'dum dum dum' vocal sessions ?  - Yes.

Am I also righting that the stereo mix appears immediately afterwards - No, I actually think that is the vocal mix. As i posetd earlier, I think there isn't a stereo mix at all, because the source for it in the list is HAVSVol.2 - but that is a mono mix.

and that the vocal overdub is a whistle overdub at the start of track 9 on HAVSP1&2 (and also available on Arch d1t10)? - No, this is another section, also with dum's, but it's the section that goes right before the false barnyard fade in the Cantina HAV mix.

Hope that helps!
134  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 18, 2011, 11:21:01 AM
From now on I will try to make clearer which track on which bootleg we're talking about.

From the list:

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"Bag of Tricks" takes 1-2 (mono) (2:08)
"Do A Lot" insert (stereo) (0:50)
"All Day" takes 1-2, 14-17 (mono) (5:14)
"Tag To Part 1", 1st version, undubbed and two instrumental overdubs (mono) (2:18)
"Tag To Part 1", 2nd version (mono) (1:17)
"Soul Made Beautiful" unknown takes (mono) (7:24)
"Soul Made Beautiful" mono mix (mono) (0:16)
"Bridge To Indians" aka "pickup to 3rd verse" unknown takes (mono) (6:38)

Above selections are from a compilation reel made from work done that day and a few days before

Available on Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two ("Tag To Part 1", 2nd version, "Bridge To Indians" aka "pickup to 3rd verse" unknown takes), unbooted ("Soul Made Beautiful" unknown takes - available, edited, on Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (everything else)

"Do A Lot" is the refrain later used in Vega-Tables. "All Day" is the embryonic Dada. "Tag to Part 1" is a tack piano track. "Soul Made Beautiful" and "Bridge To Indians" are the first two sections of the alleged "Part 2" in the Heroes and Villains sections track on the Good Vibrations box set.


Bag Of Tricks is only available on HAVSessionsVol.2, track 24 and 25, but it os the same take I think and one in mono and one in stereo.

The Do A Lot piano version is available in best quality on Archaeology (d3t1), and in mono (HAVSessionsVol.2, track 19) with more chatter before the start of the recording. A stereo version on HAVSessionsPart1&2 (track 2, last section of the track) fades out just a little bit later. It seems like Arch. faded the track out a very little bit.

Of All Day, takes 1-2 and 13-17 are available, on HAVSessionsVol.2. Together they are 5:05 in length, from my bootleg, so it is a typo or do you have a slightly different source?

Tag to part 1, undubbed and two instrumental overdubs are available on HAVSessionsVol.2 (t20-22). Only one thing: the first track is in stereo.

"Tag To Part 1", 2nd version (mono) (1:17) is avalilable on Archaeology (d1t21) and on Heroes And Vibrations. I think Archaeology is the best source, but it has more hiss. Heroes And Vibrations sounds cleaner, but that may be due to noise reduction or so. (It has a lot less frequency  information than Arch, Arch is lossless, Heroes And Vibrations definately lossy.)

About 4:30 of the Soul Made Beautiful sessions are available on HAVParts1&2, track 9 (after a bit of Dum dum dum). I haven't located the complete sessions though. Can someone point me in the right direction?

The Bridge to Indians sessins are most complete on HAVSessionsPart1&2, track 3. Two parts of it are available in better quailty on Arch, track 20 (edit at 1:36 on Arch.) So both sources are essential.



Paul
135  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 18, 2011, 02:10:31 AM
And some other things:

12-22-66

Verse vocals (Brian only), from acetate (mono) (0:52)
Part 2, revised version, takes 1-10 (mono/stereo) (4:17)
Part 2, "Swedish frog", unknown takes and mixes (stereo) (1:21)
Part 2, "Hold On", take 8, vocal take 14, vocal overdub (stereo) (1:34)

Available on Heroes and Vibrations (Part 2, revised version takes 1-10), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (everything else)

A plethora of vocal sessions. "Revised version" is "Gee". "Swedish frog" is the animal noises. "Hold On" is what's called out on the talkback - it's the fast "the heroes, the heroes, the heroes and villains" refrain.


First of all, maybe we should call Part 2, revised versiob just Gee, that may cause less confusion about all these part 2, version 4, revised vesion things.

I found that Heroes And Vibrations indeed has the longest version of the sessions, but not the best quality. Soundwise there are upgrades on ARch. (d1 t23-24). And lossless/lossy-wise on Heroes And Villains Part 1&2 (but that one sounds not so good).

The mix of Swedish Frog (includign the section preceding it) is in mono on Heroes And Villains Sessions Vol. 2 (it sounds like a mono mix). There is a stereo version on Archaeology, not including some vocal overdubs.

Hold On take 8 is found on HAVSV2. There is a mono mix as well on the cd. A stereo version can be found on Arch., track 26. (the stereo version is also on HAVSP1&2 with some more studio chatter)


12-27-66

Part 2, two revised version mono mix attempts (mono) (3:40)
Version 4, part 2 takes 1-10 (mono/stereo) (5:26)
Version 4, part 2 vocal overdub (mono/stereo) (0:41)
Version 4, part 2 stereo mix (stereo) (0:42)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (Part 2, second revised version mono mix attempt), Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (Part 2, first revised version mono mix attempt, version 4, part 2 takes 1-10, version 4, part 2 vocal overdub), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (Version 4, part 2 stereo mix)

Some mono mix attempts. Version 4, part 2 is the slow "dit dit dit heroes and villains" refrain.


I think the first mon mix attempt is in fact a stereo mix attempt, at the end of track 4 on HAVSP1&2. Part of that is also on Arch, in better sound quality (d1t28). The rest seems to be correct, except for the stereo mix on HAVSVol.2 being a mono mix.

Maybe it is a nice idea to compile a list with all the vintage, oringal mixes and edits Brian Wilson made during Smile?

Paul
136  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 18, 2011, 01:01:49 AM
Hi The Real Beach Boy, some new things I found.

10-20-66

Part 1, rehearsals (stereo) (7:36)
Part 1, takes 1, unknown (2 or 3?), 4 (stereo) (4:27)
Part 1, track, mono mix (mono) (0:52)

Available on Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (Part 1, rehearsals 0:00-1:49, 3:23-3:56), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (Part 1, rehearsals from 1:49-3:23 and 3:56-7:36, takes 1 and 4), Archaeology (Part 1, unknown take (2 or 3?)), unbooted (Part 1, mono mix)

Backing track session. This session will be revised a few times over and overdubbed with vocals.


I think you can still mention Heroes And Vibrations as source, because it sounds better (to my ears). It is just not complete.


11-4-66

"Humble Harv demo" (mono) (5:48)

Available on Project Smile, edited version on Endless Harmony


Prject Smile has indeed the most complete vesion. But I think Archaeology might be a sound upgrade. It has more hiss, but a lot more frequenzy information as well I think. Endless Harmony still is the best source, but the shortest. (And there is a little bit of chatter after the piano demo on Heroes And Villains Sessions Vol. 2 - maybe nothing to do with the piano demo, but I thought i should mention it.)

12-13-66

"Sonny, Down Snuff" vocal session (mono) (10:26)

Available, in various permutations and quality, on Heroes and Vibrations, Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two, Archaeology, and Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2


Archaeology is a better source than Heroes And Vibrations for the stereo final take. There is some chatter on Arch. as well after Sunny down snuff tack 5 but I think that's actually preceding the chorus, which is the next track (it is in the same order as on HAVSP1&2, from which it is sourced I think).

There are some small snippets of the sessions on Arch, track 3 and 6, which are upgrades of HAVSP1&2. These are three small parts of the sessions on HAVSP1&2.

That adds up to about 10:30, and that's without the mono mix on HAVSVol.2. So maybe you could mention that track separately?


Thanks!
137  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 17, 2011, 02:07:19 PM
Hi The Real Beach Boy, I'm not (yet) too much into the rest of the album's sessions (though I like the earlier and later years as well) but why not!

I just started on the HAV verse recordings.

Your list says this:

10-20-66

Part 1, rehearsals and takes 1 and 4, and unknown take (2 or 3?) (stereo) (11:30)
Part 1, track, mono mix (mono) (0:52)

Available on Heroes and Villains Sessions One and Two (Part 1, rehearsals up to 1:49), Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 2 (Part 1, rehearsals from 1:49 to end, takes 1 and 4, mono mix), Heroes and Vibrations (Part 1, unknown take (2 or 3?)

Backing track session. This session will be revised a few times over and overdubbed with vocals.


I can't find all the recordings and tracks you mention. On HAVS2 (Heroes and Villains Sessions Vol 2) there is 8:45 of rehearsals and take 1 and 4. On HAVS1-2 there is 1:49 of 'oscillator query' and 0:32 of unique rehearsal which isn't present on the list (from 2:24 - 2:56). So that leaves about one minute for the unknown take (Heroes And Vibrations). It seems that that track is also represented on Archaeology. Heroes And Vibrations might sound better, but the Arch track starts a bit earlier and doesnít fade out (while Heroes And Vibrations does). Further Arch. Is lossless, and HAV lossy. So Arch. may be a essential source for this track.

I donít know which tack you mean with Part 1, track, mono mix (mono) (0:52). Could you please point out which track you mean? The only thing I could find was an acetate of the verse but that one includes vocals.

Thanks a lot,

Paul

138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 17, 2011, 07:04:06 AM
Very soon I'll start with all the HAV recordings. I already split all the long tracks on HAV Sessions Parts 1 & 2. Once HAV is done, everything else is easy!
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 16, 2011, 07:36:52 AM
The latter.

Thanks for your reply. Here are some more suggestions:

Do You Like Worms

There are longer sessions on the SOT Source Tape, longer than UM 17 (after take 23, before the count in of take 24). Take 14 of the Bicycle Rider/HAV theme is longer (it starts a bit earlier) than UM 17. Part 1 1st vocal overdub is also a little bit longer than on UM 17. Than there is the stereo mix on the SOT Source Tape - I think that might have been the source for the stereo UM 16 track. It is longer, and in a more unedited form, and all the vocals are the same. So every track on the SOT Source Tape is essential for the complete DYLW sessions.

The Old Master Painter

The list does not contain take 3 of part 1: it is available on the SOT Source Tape CD. Take 4 might be a little tiny bit longer on the SOT Source Tape, but it is almost nothing.
Further you mention a track assembly from the SOT Source Tape (mono). The track that I found on that cd is called 'Track', but is in mono and stereo and 2:24, while your list says it is 1:58. What exact track do you mean by 'Track assembly (mono) (1:58)'?

I hope this contributes to making this list even better and more complete than it was!
140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 15, 2011, 11:59:35 PM
Nah, if you listen to the "verse takes 1-10" track on the SOT, Chuck clearly calls out before six takes, those being 1-6. The other two takes are on the SOT ST and I doubt the alleged seventh take is a rehearsal.

And yeah, I revised the Prayer track bit. I took a closer listen and compared the sources of the vocal session; Vigotone's is muddy throughout, Archaeology is clear but only half of the length. My copy is a mix of the two. For some reason I listed it there as unbooted but forgot about the Archaeology bit. It's since been corrected.

Thanks for your reply and corrections! I just wanted to ask, what does it mean when a track is 'unbooted'? For example: Cabin Essence - Chorus vocal overdub, from acetate (mono) (0:29). Does it mean that we know it exists, but that it isn't on any bootleg, or does it mean in circulates (on the internet) but that it hasn't been used for a bootleg cd?

Thanks,
Paul
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 15, 2011, 02:17:17 PM
Another suggestion.

From the list:


CHILD IS FATHER OF THE MAN

10-7-66

Chorus, takes 1-6, 8 (stereo) (7:04)
Verse, takes 1-8 (stereo) (2:30)
Track assembly (stereo) (0:53)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 16 "Smile" (track assembly) as part of track 8, Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (chorus, takes 1-4, 8, verse, takes 1-6), SOT Smile Source Tape (chorus, takes 5-6, verse, takes 7-8)

This is an early backing track session. Brian revised it a few days later.


It is clear take 1-4 and take 8 of the verse are on UM 17. SOT ST (Source Tape) seems to add take 5, and the count in of take 6. They add up to about 7 minutes indeed. However, I'm not sure I can find take 7 and 8 of the verse. Is that the piece between Chorus take 6 and take 8 on the SOT ST? In that case, I think it might only be a rehearsal and a mis-called take 7. It seems to be one take, "still rolling on take 8".

One small point: Chorus take 8 is a bit longer on SOT ST. There are a few more seconds right before the count in, and the bass notes (and maybe even the count in) before "yeah one more" may belong to the Chorus take 8.

Paul

EDIT: Just wanted to point out that there is a bit of the sessions for Prayer on Archaeology, shorter but better quality than Vigotone.
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 15, 2011, 01:25:57 PM
I cleaned that up too.

Thanks!
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 15, 2011, 12:30:21 PM

Futhermore there is a track on the SOT Source Tape called Wind Chimes (session) which is a not so good quality compilation of sessions also found on UM 17 (from takes 1-5). However, there are some small snippetts of sounds/instruments etcetera in between the takes that is not on UM 17, so I think it might be essential.

As far as I'm aware there's nothing new in there but I'll take another listen.


Thanks for your reply. To be more specific: there are unique sound/instrument/studio snippets at 1:50 (very soft, after take 3); 2:36 (just before Take 5, the end of it is audible on UM 17). Hope that helps.

I looked at your 'Wonderful' list and saw this:

12-15-66

Group vocal overdub master take (stereo) (2:19)
Group vocal overdub mono mix (mono) (2:05)

Available on Secret Smile (group vocal overdub master take, also on Vigotone 2-CD in lesser quality without the count-off), Vigotone 2-CD "Smile" (group vocal overdub mono mix)

"Yodeling" vocal overdub session.


The only vocal Wonderful track on Secret Smile is in mono. And the "Vigotone 2-CD in lesser quality without the count-off", isn't that actually the second track in your list, the Group vocal overdub mono mix (mono) (2:05)?

Thanks,
Paul
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 15, 2011, 07:55:46 AM
Hi TheRealBeachBoy. Today I started looking at one track at a time, and I will post my comments/thanks and suggestions here. First track: Wind Chimes.

The 1st vocal overdub (from UM 17) is available as Assembly with vocal on the SOT Source Tape, in less good quality, but very slightly longer at the beginning and the end.

The ending take 3 is available from 3 sources: UM17 (best quality), SOT Source Tape (less good quality, still stereo) and Secret Smile (mono). UM 17 and Secret Smile start at the same point, but Secret Smile lasts 7 seconds longer. Source Tape stats later, lasts longer than UM 17 but shorter than Secret Smile. But it is in stereo. So, eventually all sources might be essential.

Futhermore there is a track on the SOT Source Tape called Wind Chimes (session) which is a not so good quality compilation of sessions also found on UM 17 (from takes 1-5). However, there are some small snippetts of sounds/instruments etcetera in between the takes that is not on UM 17, so I think it might be essential.

(And a small typo - Mark Linett 1988 mix (mono) (2:31) should be Mark Linett 1993 mix (mono) (2:31). The Vigotone mix is from 1988 I think.)

Thanks,
Paul
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 13, 2011, 08:03:41 AM
Hi, something else I noticed: you mention one mono acetate mix for CIFOTM, and one stereo acetate mix. I think the stereo version is mono as well, but just in bad quality so that it sounds a bit like stereo.
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (10/13/11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 13, 2011, 07:47:14 AM
Thanks for your answer, it is clear to me now.
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (as of 9-1-11) on: October 13, 2011, 07:17:12 AM

THE OLD MASTER PAINTER/YOU WERE MY SUNSHINE
11-30-66

Part 2, takes 1-8, 14-15 (stereo) (6:25)
Part 2, mono mix (mono) (1:14)
Part 2, stereo mix (stereo) (1:11)
Mono mix (mono) (1:08)
Part 2, mono mix ("Barnshine") (mono) (0:53)
Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix (mono) (1:57)

Available on Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 "Smile Sessions" (part 2 takes 1-2, 4-8, 14-15, mono mix, stereo mix), Vigotone 2-CD "Smile" (final mono mix), unbooted (part 2 take 3, "Barnshine", but available in lesser quality in mp3 format), The Smile Sessions 5-CD (Mark Linett/Alan Boyd 2011 mix) (1:57)

Hi, thanks for your updates. I'm wondering why you are calling all sessions and mixes Part 2. I thought Part 2 would we Barnshine, and part 1 the actual TOMP/YWMS.

Further there is one small thing: the stereo mix is actually on UM 16, not 17.

(O, and another: Barnshine with vocals is available on Secret Smile, but as a different mix on Project Smile, with the vocals much clearer and the instruments more on the background).

Thanks again!
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: To have a complete SMiLE collection (as of 9-1-11) *UPDATE to session inventory\ on: October 10, 2011, 12:55:50 PM
I think it would be nice if we can make a list of all the essential Smile tracks/recordings/mixes we already have, but aren't present on the new box set. People can compile that list from their own collection and then have all the essential Smile tracks on two sets: one official and one 'extra'.
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Sessions box set! on: October 10, 2011, 12:42:30 PM
I find it interesting that "Surf's Up" and "Well, Your Welcome" (sic) are on the same reel.  It does lend a bit of credibility to the theory that "You're Welcome" may have been envisioned as a sort of coda to a Surf's Up finale.

It might be due to the fact that both songs were recorded on the same day...15 December I thought.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wild Honey being released in Stereo? on: October 08, 2011, 11:57:36 PM
I'd really like to have a pm as well please! Thanks in advance.
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