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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Endless River by Pink Floyd on: November 11, 2014, 01:21:39 PM
If you prefer the more experimental, meandering Pink Floyd circa 1968 - 1972, then THE ENDLESS RIVER is the best thing the band has released since WISH YOU WERE HERE. I still feel the Waters dominated concept records are the strongest, but I greatly appreciate that earlier era where everything seemed more relaxed and dreamy. At any rate, this final album is far more graceful than A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON or THE DIVISION BELL and a lovely reminder of the strengths of Gilmour, Wright and Mason.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: November 06, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
Is Soul Searchin' and You're Still a Mystery the last known songs with Carl on them?

The last "Beach Boys" tracks, I believe. However, Carl recorded material for this album as well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Brother
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love and Mercy At The Toronto Film Festival on: August 26, 2014, 09:47:38 AM
isn't there also a dennis movie in production?

Not for some time. It was shelved last year.
Well, there's this one: https://www.facebook.com/BiggerThanTheBeatles

Here's a scene from the BIGGER THAN THE BEATLES film...

http://www.imdb.com/video/demo_reel/vi2592385049

...as you can see, this is very "indie" with an obvious low budget (I'm trying to be nice).

As to THE DRUMMER: that project was initiated by Randall Miller who probably won't be directing anything soon after being charged with manslaughter and criminal trespass during the shooting of his Greg Allman biopic. It's probably a good thing to keep him away from Dennis; his CBGB is one of the worst music-oriented films I've seen.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: TSS - All things Surf's Up on: March 13, 2014, 01:15:33 PM
Brian did not sing this line on either the solo demo track he did during the SMiLE sessions nor on the version he cut during the WILD HONEY sessions. It appears he intended the line to only be sung once following the second verse. By the time Carl cut the vocal for the '71 version, he included the line after the first verse as well. Since the '71 version became the official release, both the band and Brian have included the line after the first verse during live performances. Likely, Carl's vocal on the line was included on the compiled TSS version because that's the way the song has been heard for forty years.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - The Bed Years on: November 06, 2013, 09:22:12 AM
To help keep this in prospective, I was still reading published newspaper articles within the past year that refer actively to Brian being a recluse. If touring the world for the past 14 years and recording/releasing/promoting eight-plus albums gets you labeled a "recluse" than I must be an absolute hermit. It's hard to kill a story angle once its been established and even harder when the story is a truly bizarre one.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: billboard: new article about LP with Jeff Beck [October 14, 2013] on: October 16, 2013, 09:35:47 AM
Jardine says Wilson tapped Marks to play guitar on "Run James Run," which he describes as "a suped-up 'Little Deuce Coupe' kind of thing. It's just cute as hell."

So is Al talking about Marks performing the title track from PET SOUNDS ("Run James Run" being a working title for that track back in '65) as he did last year during the Beach Boys reunion tour...or is this a new song that happens to use the old working title? One assumes it must be a new track, but you never know...
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Bob Dylan on: August 05, 2013, 11:04:30 AM
I've read some reviews through the ensuing years, many criticizing the album. But, you know what? I kind of enjoyed it. First, some of the songs are pretty strong, particularly Side B which includes "Trust Yourself", "Emotionally Yours", "When The Night Comes Falling", and "Dark Eyes".

New Order's remixer was not the best choice for producer, but some of the tracks still come off well. If anything, "Dark Eyes" is one of the best songs Dylan ever wrote and I'm glad they kept a straight acoustic rendering for the album instead of piling on the drum machines and synths.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian with Jeff Beck Fall Tour Dates on: August 05, 2013, 10:51:38 AM
Could be Don Was producing the instrumental tracks and Joe Thomas doing the vocals, maybe?

Is Was a good producer though? I'm not familiar enough to be excited or disappointed. I do like Dylan's Under the Red Sky, which I'm pretty sure he produced. Seemed well produced, sharp, but still earthy and mellow.

Well, Was has done much better work than UNDER THE RED SKY (so has Dylan!). His style is definitely more stripped-down than anything Brian has released since...the Was-produced I JUST WASN'T MADE FOR THESE TIMES soundtrack.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Paul Giamatti is going to play Gene Landy in \ on: June 10, 2013, 05:48:16 AM
...BTW did Gere really play Dylan? Don't know anything about that.

Yes...and so did Cate Blanchette, Heath Ledger and four others in the film I'M NOT THERE...which took a surrealistic yet very refreshing look at pivotal events in Dylan's life. The screenwriter for that film, Oren Moverman, is the man behind the screenplay for LOVE & MERCY, so hopefully he brings a similar intelligence to his approach to Brian's life.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 'Fess up - who here likes Sweet Insanity? on: April 29, 2013, 12:45:14 PM
While I prefer the redone backing tracks on GIOMH, Brian's vocals are all stronger on the SWEET INSANITY versions of those songs. The original "Make A Wish" is quite a bit better and "Someone To Love" is a great song that deserves a spot on any upcoming Brian Wilson album/compilation. "Thank You" is pretty wretched, but "Smart Girls" has always struck me as just a fun goof in the manner of "I'm Bugged At My Ol' Man". However, I find the material on the first version of the album to be quite weak.
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Harpsichord Pop on: April 12, 2013, 07:49:51 AM
This is probably the hardest rocking song I know of that uses a harpsichord...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sHwdD2Zq6s

Although, to be fair, the harpsichord part (which comes in at 26 seconds) seems to vanish once the chorus and dueling guitars take over.
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Have the pictures of Pacino as Spector been posted yet? on: March 27, 2013, 05:38:04 AM
PHIL SPECTOR works great when Pacino is on-screen - he perfectly captures that disturbing mixture of pomposity and insecurity that fuels every Spector interview I've seen or read. His "Spector" is a unique tragic character who almost sounds intelligent until his temper turns him into a petulant child. Whether Mamet intended it or not, Pacino makes sure you don't trust this guy but he still brings an odd warmth to the role that Spector himself lacks, at least in his public persona.

However, when Pacino is not on-screen, the quality of PHIL SPECTOR drops considerably. It feels overwritten and forced. Also, that Mirren has trouble maintaining an American accent doesn't help sell the illusion of reality here.

Overall, I wasn't horribly troubled by the film's supposed viewpoint that Spector was railroaded. Mamet was at least sharp enough not to whitewash Spector's behavior too much and Pacino does the rest: in the end, I had little sympathy for the tragic fool who refuses to accept his guilt.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: March 04, 2013, 09:28:10 AM
...As for WindChimes, it's not the August version with celeste. It's the more used backing track with marimba. I can't remember if the vocals were there or not, and I'm not sure why it's labeled alternate version. I think this version has been in circulation.

Did the acetate version hard edit into the multiple piano fade as on the GV box set version or did it just end?

At any rate, as has been noted a couple of times in earlier posts, this feels like pretty conclusive proof that "I'm In Great Shape" started life as the bridge following the the first two verses in "H & V" (just like in the Humble Harv demo) and was eventually replaced by the similar sounding "Cantina" bridge.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: March 02, 2013, 01:26:43 PM
...Okay what I would like know is are these acetates cut from live takes off the board or off the master tapes?

Obviously acetate discs are not an archival storage medium. Seems unwise to commit anything unique or vitality important to them.
I figured the discs were cut from the tapes so the artists can have a "carry-out" to listen at home / share with friends.

If the later then tapes should exist with the exact same material. But people don't always do the wise thing...so...

As has been shown by the acetates used on the SMiLE box, early mixes that ended up on acetates for review were later changed (vocals wiped, etc.) so that the acetate is the only recording left of how a track sounded at an earlier time. Given that SMiLE session tapes are known to have been lost or destroyed or had vocal tracks erased and recorded over (something Brian did a lot), there's the possibility that something quite unique is on these new acetates for sale. I believe that "Barnyard", the Dennis vocal on "You Were My Sunshine" and the second chorus to "Child Is Father Of The Man", among other tidbits heard on the SMiLE box,  is material that only existed on acetates.

I doubt the new discs contain material as important as the tracks I mentioned above, but there might be something worthwhile on them.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: March 01, 2013, 09:56:49 AM
If Alan Boyd did, indeed, audition these acetates, then I feel pretty sure that the "alternate" stuff isn't radically different from what we've already heard.

"Do You Like Worms" vocals probably have some slightly different chanting; I seriously doubt any lost verse vocals are present.

The alternate "Wind Chimes" could well be the track as presented on the Good Vibrations Box Set (but not the SMiLE box set).

I admit that alternate editing of the "Do You Like Worms" segments sounds interesting and I'd be happy to hear any slight variations in "H&V" and "Cabinessence"...but not for 10, 000!

One final note: Referring to the excerpt of "Cabinessence" as coming from the "20/20" version makes the discs seem like fakes since neither Van Dyke nor Durrie would have had access to acetates in 1968 when that version of the song was completed.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: So are we going to have this modern music (esp rap) is rubbish discussion then? on: January 28, 2013, 12:17:41 PM
I always counted this as sort-of the first (or one of the first) rap song. Wink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nULwgHsVqw

Rap goes much further back. In fact, here's an example where the style had already been co-opted by white folks  Grin...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EhGOs-tZE

Note that this anticipates the Beastie Boys by over 40 years!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: January 08, 2013, 09:38:24 AM
Fun! I've usually mixed the "Heroes & Villains Part 3" under the final a capella "I've been in this town so long..." section which works well. It also provides an interesting counterpoint when mixed under the "Wonderful" tag ("Mamamama").
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Very bad comment by Bill Maher about the Beach Boys/us on: January 08, 2013, 09:26:07 AM
The joke had nothing to do with the scope of the Beach Boys' recorded output, only with the longevity of the band. Replace "The Beach Boys" with the name of any other recording artist celebrating a 50th anniversary and the joke would be the same.

As to Maher, I find his show to be very funny and, while I dislike his blanket dismissal of religion (especially in regards to Muslims), REAL TIME is one of the few places where American politics is discussed in any kind of intelligent manner. This, of course, is more of a condemnation of the media in the U.S. in that the "comedy" shows are better at discussing serious issues than the news programs are.
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Films 1971-1976 on: January 07, 2013, 09:48:31 AM
Not to be overly reductive, but the shift away from the types of movies being made in the early 70s to the post-STAR WARS films came down to two things: 1) By the latter half of the decade, many of the major studios had been bought by corporations known for selling things other than entertainment (Coca-cola buying Columbia Pictures for example) and 2) Films aimed at a teenage audience were making huge amounts of money.

That traditional studio product was not succeeding as well as more experimental product like EASY RIDER (an American response to the French New Wave) opened the gates for the type of material that was green-lit during the early 70s. However, by mid-decade, the marketing tie-ins and teen-oriented blockbusters became a new formula that worked for the studios. While there has been a lot of shining moments since then including the rise of a more visible independent cinema, the emphasis is now increasingly on sequels, remakes and comic books, anything that can be understood in a sentence or less.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Films 1971-1976 on: January 04, 2013, 12:17:54 PM
IMO
Taxi Driver is the most significant movie from that time period. It's weird though because I see it as a deep, philosophical movie but the screenwriter is one of those sleazy types who is all about commercial success and using the hollywood formulas for storytelling.

I really don't know why you're taking issue with Paul Schrader's work here. Perhaps you're annoyed with statements he may have made in commentaries or interviews, but his work as a screenwriter and director has rarely devolved into "Hollywood formula". As a result, he hasn't had much commercial success if, indeed, that's what he wanted to achieve. Given that this man is responsible for TAXI DRIVER, RAGING BULL, THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST, HARDCORE and MISHIMA among other individualistic films belies any consistent artistic surrender to "formula".

As to early-70s cinema, it's a favorite era of mine as well. I'd add Bob Rafelson's THE KING OF MARVIN GARDENS as a truly great work from this period (if you'd allow films from 1970 to be included, then his FIVE EASY PIECES would be another winner).

Comedies? All of Woody Allen's work from this period is hilarious as well as Mel Brooks' efforts. WHAT'S UP DOC? is damn funny as well!

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone know why Brian put the barking dogs & train at end of \ on: November 30, 2012, 09:06:36 AM
If I recall correctly, Marilyn mentions in one of the documentaries that after listening to the finished mix at home, Brian commented that he imagined himself on that train waving goodbye. The theme that is repeated throughout PET SOUNDS is of moving from adolescence into young adulthood and leaving the past behind; the ending sound effects perfectly evoke that theme.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A contemporary of \ on: November 19, 2012, 07:45:49 AM
AGD asked Mr. Holmes about the '96 illustration for "Holidays" and the response was that the illustration was based on a lyric sheet provided by Van Dyke Parks in 1966. Moreover, these lyric sheets were returned to Mr. Parks in 2003 which suggests that they were requested in order to complete BWPS or, at the very least, they were available for consideration in completing the album.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2012 DVD Live Trailer on: November 07, 2012, 05:06:55 AM
Given that the crowd shots appear to be synched to the appropriate song (we see audience members singing along with "Fun, Fun, Fun" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice"), I'm pretty sure what we're seeing is actual clips from the final edit. The thing is with a Beach Boys show is that neither the performers nor the audience are particularly interesting visually; it's all about what we hear. For this reason, trying to create false excitement through fast cuts becomes a distraction. All the same, it looks like it will be a slick product and no more offensive than McCartney's more recent live DVDs (not that I enjoy watching those much).
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Worst albums of all time. on: November 06, 2012, 04:32:16 AM
Recently heard the notorious "last" Velvet Underground album Squeeze for the first time - the one where Velvets manager Steve Sesnick put Doug Yule and Deep Purple's drummer Ian Paice into a studio, recorded a bunch of Yule's songs with no participation from any original Velvet still in the band (just Moe Tucker by that point), and released it as a successor to Loaded. 

It's primarily offensive because it's billed as a Velvets album. Had it been released as a Doug Yule album, it probably would have been quietly forgotten as a middling example of some slightly Grateful Dead/Poco/early James Taylor-influenced music. But a couple of the songs are probably on a par with the lesser (ie Yule-written) tracks on Loaded.

Actually, Yule didn't write any of the songs on LOADED - they're all Lou Reed's.

My mistake. Every time I hear "Who Loves The Sun" it's such a spectacular example of sunshine pop I keep forgetting Lou wrote it.

Yule did handle more lead vocals on LOADED than on the previous album with "Who Loves The Sun" being the best. Reed seemed to be making a conscious attempt to write a more commercial album than any of the previous Velvet releases; the songs are still quite strong, but I probably prefer some of the material recorded during this period that went unreleased at the time.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The Worst albums of all time. on: November 02, 2012, 11:09:38 AM

I just realized Sebadoh based their song "Flame" on this track!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=expcmtqTyC4
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