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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Could Brian write music in the style of 'Pet Sounds' after Pet Sounds? on: August 09, 2020, 08:33:05 PM
As much as I love it, the post-Pet Sounds era has a more "dead" sound to it, until Sunflower. It's not surprising that the passť Beach Boys couldn't get a hit, though the quality of the music certainly deserved it.

To elaborate on my comment above, I remember listening to 20 Golden Greats a lot as a kid, and everything up to Heroes and Villains has a "drop of sunshine" feel to it; a bright summer day at the beach or cruising around. H&V is an odd duck anyway, so I'll skip that, but Darlin' to me evoked a "backyard patio in the evening" kind of feeling, and that just wasn't as commercial. It marks a definite point where the sound changed, and it's probably not a coincidence that their commercial fortunes waned at the same time (among dozens of other factors).
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Guitar analysis episode - In the Back of My Mind on: August 06, 2020, 04:36:51 PM
Sorry to hear about your tough times, Joshilyn.

Thanks for the update and interesting introduction to the track, I'm looking forward to the follow-ups!
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Glen Campbell's studio guitar resurrected? on: July 11, 2020, 07:35:46 PM
Very cool.

Ah, guitars and bicycles, and the n+1 rule.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any isolated tracks of Dennis playing guitar? on: July 09, 2020, 04:32:44 PM
I'd Love Just Once to See You?

Interesting. I must have forgotten in my rigorous session and personnel lists that Dennis was on this. I truly didnít know that. Where did you read this?

I recall Stephen Desper saying so many years ago but I couldn't find his post to that effect. Obviously documented evidence can disprove 40-year old memories, so I'll happily stand corrected.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Any isolated tracks of Dennis playing guitar? on: July 08, 2020, 08:34:49 PM
I'd Love Just Once to See You?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: She Knows Me Too Well - Production analysis video on: July 07, 2020, 09:20:36 PM
Very nice, thanks!

I like the mellow, jazzy guitar part with those little "bends" at the end of certain lines. Quite subtle. I agree that it ultimately sounds better in mono (the official stereo mixes for Today are generally unbalanced and reverb-heavy), but I appreciate hearing the details in stereo as you've presented.

Regarding the lyrics vs. the music, there is definitely something "off" in the chords, and once again Brian effectively conveys feelings of self-doubt and insecurity.

I'd love to hear your hypothetical SD&SN/Pet Sounds versions, or at least a sampler! We do have some vocals-only mixes to add to them for a full effect...
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Could Brian write music in the style of 'Pet Sounds' after Pet Sounds? on: June 27, 2020, 11:46:27 AM
Our Sweet Love.

I agree that by the time an artist has achieved something and moved on, it can seem like self-parody to revisit it later. It's forgivable on the way up (building towards the peak) but lamentable on the way down (rehashing old ideas, etc.). Then you get fans who want the same thing over and over, so they're happy with the "return to form" but reject other directions.

Take any artist with a storied career and a definitive peak and I'm sure you could ask the same questions.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Kiss Me, Baby ~ Production analysis and walk-through on: June 25, 2020, 09:54:07 PM
Something for the future, anyway! Thanks for making the videos!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Kiss Me, Baby ~ Production analysis and walk-through on: June 25, 2020, 08:54:58 PM
Wonderful, as usual.

This is certainly one of my favourite Beach Boys songs. The melody, lyrics and vocals are beautiful, of course. We've been spoiled over the years getting the different stereo mixes and vocals-only mix. I'm waiting for the official track-only version, which oddly hasn't come out yet(?). It's another one with so many layers, which you've ably demonstrated. So many great sounds, blends, textures, etc. The other percussion (temple blocks, chimes, vibraphone) is another element on which you could do a follow-up.

I remember I once played the stereo mix for my mom, who knew the song as the b-side to the Rhonda 45. She loved hearing the French horn, which of course she'd never noticed before. Kind of like the end of God Only Knows, it's there but not obvious, just augmenting the overall sound of everything.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I'm So Young - Production analysis video on: June 16, 2020, 09:32:22 PM
Great insights! Lots of things I hadn't picked up on due to the swimmy mono mix. I thought you were going to suggest that the sparse arrangement and growly organ were presaging Smiley Smile, though the one on the actual BBs track is a bit creamier.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please Let Me Wonder - Production analysis video on: June 08, 2020, 09:00:15 PM
Another fascinating and insightful video! I'll listen for those saxes more closely now.

A couple random thoughts... The chord changes by the guitars during the chorus, right before the vocal line bit, sound incredibly "summer evening" to me. Don't know how or why, but there are several instances of the Beach Boys' music being evocative like that (not just fun in the sun lyrics). It's lovely to hear them isolated.

Speaking of voices, I have to mention how much I love that backing vocal bit you sampled, the way the ooohs rise and fall together. There's a bit of tension in the chords, like it's slightly unnatural, but it works. (Remember, I know very little music theory, and even less about intended outcomes of certain combinations.)

Finally, you exercised good restraint not to quote Carl's last line in your thanks at the end. Could have gone either way!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Video about harmonica on the Today! LP on: June 03, 2020, 08:55:37 PM
Nice little discussion. I think Al was a harmonica guy... Susie Cincinnati is the one that comes to mind, or even Big Sur. Then there's the melodica on Smiley Smile, which is a similar sound.

I noted that the Billy advertisement said "Produced by Nick Venet."
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Show up last to your weekend dance & watch this Dance Dance Dance production vid on: May 25, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
It really is a fun, propulsive track. You nailed the jangly bits!

This is one of those songs that you kind of forget about, but when you hear it you can't help but tap your toe and sing along (particularly the Brian wail and Mike's "daaaaance").

Any plan on doing analyses of the vocals in the future? (In general, not just this song)
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Ronda, Uke look so fine! -Ronda production breakdown video! (Now with link!) on: May 19, 2020, 09:08:11 PM
Another great video, thanks!

I enjoy the presentation, with the direct spoken parts, visual aids and cat, and the useful text and photos superimposed, as needed. For the track breakdowns I find it straightforward and informative to see you manipulating the tracks on the fly. It reminds me of the Brian May video where he breaks down Bohemian Rhapsody, but in this case we can see the sound files onscreen. Your style is laid-back but academic, with self-deprecation showing that you're not taking things too seriously. It's polished but not fussy.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Danelectro 6 on BBs records - a video introduction on: May 12, 2020, 07:02:47 PM
Very interesting stuff, thanks!
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keep it clean with Al Jardine and watch this WIGU(TBAM) breakdown vid on: May 09, 2020, 08:12:06 PM
Do we know on average how long a BBs tracking session took per song vs. studio musicians? I can definitely see the appeal on all sides, particularly given the circumstances with their contemporaries pretty much all doing it, too.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keep it clean with Al Jardine and watch this WIGU(TBAM) breakdown vid on: May 08, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
Excellent work. It's long been one of my favourite Beach Boys songs, thanks for giving it this treatment!

Gotta love Al, nice to see him highlighted.

So, c-man once said he thought it was an electric harpsichord, then later said he wasn't sure. Has this "mystery" been settled?

Last comment, I love how the little flourishes add colour to the song. I'd call it an inventive arrangement but then I'm no scholar. Hearing it isolated it doesn't really give away the main melody and harmonies, which shows how much is going on.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't Hurt My Little Sister - Production Breakdown Video on: May 02, 2020, 09:17:42 AM
Yeah, I started my J&D journey around these parts many years ago, thanks to great discussions over the years on many of the things that you brought up. They do offer a nice bit of compare/contrast as contemporaries and collaborators.

I guess DHMLS was intended for Spector, as mentioned in the video.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't Hurt My Little Sister - Production Breakdown Video on: May 01, 2020, 09:30:17 PM
Any plans to look at Jan Berry's influence on Brian around this time? (For some reason this song reminds me of Surf City, and made me wonder).

Also, I'm psyched for any harpsichord talk, so looking forward to the next one! I know you aren't going to focus on the guitars as much but I should mention that performance on Ready Steady Go as an interesting variant, particularly with the different drumbeat.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't Hurt My Little Sister - Production Breakdown Video on: May 01, 2020, 02:01:29 PM
Fantastic, yet again!
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Other first (and last?) instrument uses on BBs records on: April 21, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
I couldn't think of a better thread for this than the random instrument hub. Any idea what the hell that whooshing noise is at the end of the a capella break in the single version of Heroes and Villains?

(am aware Probyn used a Tannerin on BWPS but that seemed to get a very different sound)

If it's the part I'm thinking, I've heard it as one of those ring whistle things that chews your lip if you're not careful. I think one instance is at normal speed and it appears later in the song slowed down, which gives it a theremin-like sound. That's just conjecture on my part, though.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Two cabin-fever induced musical what-ifs... on: April 21, 2020, 08:36:16 PM
Thoughts:
Kokomo by way of San Miguel, ha!

WIBN: it's uncanny how the vocal almost sounds like Carl in '76, and then "together" isn't far off Brian's demos of the era, like In the Back of My Mind 1975. I think if it were less jaunty and a little more plodding it would be even better.

Nice experiments!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Two cabin-fever induced musical what-ifs... on: April 20, 2020, 09:47:02 PM
If Smile took 37, then I guess I'm in for a wait...
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Two cabin-fever induced musical what-ifs... on: April 20, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
I'm still waiting for you to finish your Smiley Smile version of Cabinessence!

I'll give these a listen tomorrow, hopefully.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good to My Baby - Guitar Isolation video!! on: April 19, 2020, 10:15:49 AM
I always wanted to cover this one since the riff seemed like it would be fun to play (it would be good for Rock Band, like Livin on a Prayer or White Wedding), but I never got around to it. The "track only" version was somewhat of a revelation (though it should be said that pretty much ALL of the BBs track/vocals-only mixes are beautiful, life-affirming slices of music).

You've done it justice here, and I really appreciate hearing all of the fiddly bits more clearly. Hope it was as fun as I assumed!
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