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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 10, 2019, 02:53:21 PM
Love it! Can't wait to hear the official backing track, hopefully with the faders up.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Don't Talk isolated guitars re-creation on: December 03, 2019, 05:28:47 AM
I've been poking around the board in anticipation of the hopefully-upcoming 1969 copyright set, and was pleased to stumble across this nugget. Keep up the great scholarly/performance work in uncovering the intricacies of the Beach Boys' music! Fantastic stuff.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 21, 2018, 08:23:17 PM
Queries:

1. Why hadn't the 1966 Track Mix for CIFOTM been released previously? Is it a new discovery?

2. Is it Stephen Desper on the talkback (e.g. Meant For You)?

I can try to answer #1. Alan B., are you still reading? This is the IIGS I heard on one of Durrie's acetates. If this was the source, then I understand. There was a quick search for those acetates back in the day but they weren't found, so it was thought they were no longer in existence. Then in 2012 several acetates were discovered when her storage locker was cleaned out.  So that was obviously after the box set came out.

I listened to all of the acetates, and this IIGS was on one of the H&V acetates. It wasn't the only unique piece on that acetate, so I'm curious as to why the other pieces didn't make it out.

Thanks for confirming this! It's good to know that the mystery IIGS you'd described is now available for us to hear, such as it is. I'd love to learn more about it and the Durrie Parke acetates. Fascinating.

Once again, this music is incredible and a welcome addition to the catalogue. Thanks to all who made it happen!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Inside Pop footage on: March 16, 2018, 02:05:44 PM
If I recall correctly, the footage of Brian in the red shirt is indeed from that night, but likely taken from a home movie camera (and played back at the wrong speed). There's a photo of Dennis holding it in the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer liner notes.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 06, 2018, 08:28:32 PM
Mark, one thing I'm curious about is why Brian wasn't credited on Folk City, given that the melody is largely a rehash of Surf City. Have you addressed that anywhere?
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 03, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
Thanks for that info, Mark. (I recall reading that it was "A Beginning from an End", fwiw). Thanks for the mp3, too!

I think it's important to distinguish between influence by way of personal interaction and influence by way of, let's call it creative inspiration. Both groups influenced each other in both ways (and even covered each other), I'd say, but it was the personal side that is less obvious to outsiders.

The most crucial thing to me is that, as  I understand it, Jan verbally encouraged Brian to use session musicians to augment/supplant the Boys, saying something like "As long as the Beach Boys are singing, no one cares who played the backing tracks." Now, I may be wrong about this or maybe it's been disproven with new information, but that example is that personal influence that really has nothing to do with one band being better than the other.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dean Torrence influence on Brian Wilson on: March 01, 2018, 05:40:06 PM
Falsetto, probably not.

Jan Berry, absolutely (as has been said, by Brian himself).

I do enjoy Jan & Dean's music but it's definitely not lost on me that most of their best songs were cowritten with Brian. Also, Save For a Rainy Day is my favourite of their albums and that has no Jan at all.

I  also agree that Jan's music can be more academic than Brian's (see Pop Symphony No. 1), and it mostly lacks the energy of The Beach Boys'. That said, check out something like Quasimoto, or even the aforementioned Ride the Wild Surf.

Next, I was one of the people positing that "Meet Batman" was a precursor to Smile (as a concept), but not in a meaningful way, just that there are parallels.

Lastly, who wore the horizontal-striped t-shirts first? (I've seen photos of Dean wearing the same ones that Brian sports in some of the Smile-era studio shots)
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Instrument Challenge on: January 16, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
One more thing, I assume it's the same harmonica as the one used on Help Me, Ronda...
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Instrument Challenge on: January 13, 2018, 09:36:29 PM
My understanding is that it is a chromatic harmonica, though I don't know what further evidence exists.

Frankly, the revelation that the harpsichord may have been electronic was surprising enough!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1965: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles on: January 13, 2018, 07:14:19 PM
Just because the Beatles may have been more popular at the time doesn't mean that they actually achieved what the Beach Boys did.

I may be biased (this is a Beach Boys forum and I'm a Beach Boys fan) but in 1965, the Beatles were very good, and essentially great, and the  Beach Boys were also good and essentially great. The difference being that the Beach Boys, at their best, were  celestial/divine, and the Beatles were merely great.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2017 copyright extension release details? on: December 08, 2017, 04:51:03 AM
- the end of ‘Wind Chimes’ backing vocals - indescribable how beautiful it is.

Had to post to say something about this. Beautiful indeed.

Once again, thanks to all those involved in putting these special releases together!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: July 17, 2017, 08:13:47 PM
So... How do we convince the powers that be to release the entire Heider "live" sessions a cappella?
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: July 10, 2017, 05:44:15 PM
Finally got my CD copy, now just sitting in the sweet spot staring at my stereo, enjoying the sounds. (Aside, I have the spatializer hooked up so some sounds sound like they're coming from 'outside' the speakers; I note that Stephen Desper is credited as a recording engineer, too!)

So here's my formal thanks to all involved in making this great package!

I have to say, I do love the Smiley organ.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The biggest revelation about Sunshine Tomorrow.. Brian's level of involvement.. on: July 02, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
I'm just going to throw some thoughts and ideas for discussion. It's an interesting subject, for sure!

Listening to the progression of the approach from the "end" of the Smile period to Wild Honey (and later Friends), it's actually very organic. The Smile box bore this out but hearing the Wild Honey backing tracks/sessions just emphasizes it. Brian's still using the detuned piano for feels, still recording modularly, etc. I don't know what "changed" per se, but Brian was already pulling back from the studio musicians + Beach Boys vocals approach in the Smile era. He was also doing more "basic" tracks to build on.

Other things to consider (as always) are competitiveness, the sheer effort involved (mentally, physically and emotionally), the want for commercial success, the want for critical acclaim, the desire to keep making music, the following of the muse, and, yes, the input from the rest of the group.

You can also look at Party's (and Barbara Ann's) commercial success compared to Little Girl I Once Knew and Pet Sounds. I can see how Brian would get discouraged, or how the rest of the band would question the need for going through all the effort.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Can't Wait Too Long on Sunshine Tomorrow on: July 01, 2017, 06:16:41 AM
I like the surf guitar at the end, reminiscent of "Pet Sounds".
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Do You Like Worms/Little Pad on: May 14, 2017, 07:31:09 PM
Do You Like Worms also seems to reappear in Wake the World.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,22947.0.html
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What's the most obscure BB song that could get prominent soundtrack placement? on: November 26, 2016, 11:55:36 PM
Maybe something like Busy Doin' Nothin' in the Gilmore Girls sequels...
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: God Only Knows Instruments/Credits on: September 25, 2016, 03:10:09 PM
There's an alternate version with a sax solo, which may address your last point.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Chamberlin sounds on BBs Records on: August 27, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
I have to jump in here with some off-topic information for fun. I may have posted about some of it before but as we see, some discussions come back around years later.

1. I'm curious if you guys have heard Hugh Le Caine's 1955 musique concrete "Dripsody" - it's the sound of a single drop of water being manipulated and multitracked into a fascinating sound collage. I wonder if the Cool Cool Water sounds on the Chamberlain might have sounded similar. http://www.hughlecaine.com/en/compositions.html

2. The same man designed a touch-sensitive keyboard in the mid-50s. The patent was later picked up by... Baldwin! I'm curious if Brian's Baldwin had this feature, which might account for the characteristics described in this thread. http://www.hughlecaine.com/en/tsorgan.html
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1983 SMiLE bootleg. Anywhere online to hear it?? on: August 24, 2016, 07:51:31 PM
I believe it's the harmonica-laden tag to the early 1967 H&V, also used as the tag to My Only Sunshine on The Smile Sessions, with the "haaa haaa hum dum be doo be do" vocals. It was thought by fans (and bootleggers) to be Barnyard at the time, until the actual Barnyard was found/booted.

That's just my understanding, corrections/clarifications welcome.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike gets his saxophone back after 50 years... on: August 20, 2016, 04:59:41 AM
That's great! Imagine if Mike had never lost it... "I think this song needs a sax solo, Brian." "You say that about EVERY song, Mike!"

I foresee Shut Down, Part II being added to the setlist.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: The painter? on: July 25, 2016, 07:22:24 PM
Mount Vernon and Fairway sleeve?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: July 06, 2016, 12:41:59 PM
One was the Standells' Dirty Water. For Nelson Bragg, I think?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: July 04, 2016, 05:44:09 AM
That seems about right from what I recall. Al forgot the words to California Saga, which was awesome to hear, regardless. Wild Honey blew people away.

I was very happy to see that this show was a "triumph" in a sense, since his previous two Ottawa shows were a horrid festival appearance marred by technical difficulties and a great Gershwin show played to about 500 people in a 2500 seat concert hall (and I maintain that his Gershwin live performance was the best vocally I've ever seen him do). Brian himself wasn't the star per se but he seemed in good spirits and I noticed that he seemed to genuinely like what he was hearing from his band when he wasn't 'engaged'.

Al and Paul did a great job keeping the energy going (while not to my taste, the  extended flute and sax solos got the requisite cheers), Matt won people over with his DWB, and Blondie stole the show with his great vocals and wandering solos (and his sporadic appearances). It made for a really enjoyable concert, even without the Pet Sounds performance. I wish that the crowd had gotten into it a bit more. They were coaxed out of their seats to dance during Good Vibrations and then the encore was the usual party.

Al's fretting hand seemed to be bothering him but he nailed his vocals, especially during Pet Sounds. That extra level of authenticity made it that much better. I'm really glad he's on the tour and that I got to see him with Brian.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's musical arrangement inspirations for (primarily) Pet Sounds and Smile on: April 28, 2016, 02:28:58 PM
I surmise that Disney cartoons and Looney Tunes influenced the arrangements for Smile. I have no evidence, however.
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