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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 07, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
5/5

I can't imagine how hard it was to try and emulate the original sound of this track, but Brian's band did a stellar job of it. This re-recording has that "new" feel to it, but it is as close to the original as you can get for being a cover.
77  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Brian's live perfomances on: January 05, 2019, 10:38:11 AM
I've been reading the reviews of Brian's Christmas shows and they seem to range from "Brian should hang it up" to "not as bad as I thought it would be". This board seems to be more forgiving, the "other" board, harsher. The last time I saw Brian live was 2015 and he sounded very good, this was prior to his "talk-singing" phase. I didn't go to the Christmas shows but I went on youtube and listened to Brian singing "On Christmas Day" in Bergan, NJ and it was very good , no talk singing just Brian singing doing a great job. Now I know people say that this talk-singing is something Brian does when he's bored, think Pet Sounds, but it's obvious Brian can bring it when he wants to. Somebody,I don't know who, needs to take him aside and say "knock it off and sing". I've loved this guy for almost fifty years but this kind of live performance is just wrong and unfair to people who pay good money to see BRIAN WILSON. I'm really not there to see  Al Jardine, Blondie Chaplin, or whoever is singing Brian's leads and falsetto but I'm going to see BRIAN WILSON. Love Al, like Blondie, don't care who's singing falsetto as long as it's on key, I'm there for Brian.

I think it's in the Stebbin's FAQ book, but I think Jon witnessed Brian getting a "talking to" behind the scenes during a show. It is one of those things I read and my stomach kinda drops because it does harken back a bit to the Landy era. I don't know how frequent those "talking to"s were, or if that was a one time thing. But the idea of Brian Wilson being talked to like a child is something that rests uneasy with me.

I went to a great Pet Sounds show a couple years ago, was Brian doing the talking-singing thing? For the Pet Sounds bit yeah, and he was singing off key a couple times, but man was that the most energetic show I'd been to. I don't know what the recent shows are like, but if that energy is still high then audience goers should sit back and enjoy the ride. It's funny, because in those other places that are more likely to criticize Brian's shows you'll hear the praises of Mike's band yet Mike himself can't really keep a tune given what I've seen in recent videos (I mean, there are some who trash Brian's solo records but hilariously gush over Mike's recent Christmas album). So some criticism I don't even take into account due to the obvious bias.

And frankly, if Brian is bored, he shouldn't be touring then anyways, or else, make a concert that caters to HIS wants as a performer. This is my armchair quarterback take on things, and I'm completely uneducated about this stuff, so take it with a grain of salt. Brian wants to make a rock and roll record? He should make a rock and roll record. Make it his way, let Darian mix the thing, let Brian be 100% in control of the content. Just my opinion.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 04, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
Awesome work and I love the sound of this! The lo-fi mix really adds a punch to the heavier parts (especially the chorus and outro of 'Cabin Essence').

So it has been AGES since I've read up on Smile and Brian's ideas for putting these "modules" of sound together from different songs. Can you explain the source(s) of your module edits, how much of this was your ideas vs how much is vintage? Pardon if that's asking too much, I know you explained your sources, but I'm just so out of the loop anymore with Smile stuff, I don't even remember hearing about the '66 tape compilation!

I really love the mix and I need to find some free time to really give the Side-A a good listen. Standout moments: 7:10 and beyond is just stellar, the transition at 11:25 feels like DYLW and Cabin Essence are part of the same song - you really get a good feel for the modular edit style Brian talked about.

I can't wait to hear side B!

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! Side B is much wilder. There is an online resource called “Record Mecca” that auctioned contemporary acetates of The Beach Boys’ “Smile” sessions that once belonged to Durrie Parks. There are one or two sides that transition “Who Ran The Iron Horse” to the verse of “Heroes and Villains”. In January 1967, an experimental edit of the verse of “Heroes and Villains” was assembled that quickly transitioned to “Bridge To The Indians”. That edit was featured on “The Smile Sessions” box. Since “Bridge To The Indians” in title and key-change implies a transition to the first part of “Do You Like Worms”, that’s an area where I valued some creative liberty in terms of sequencing. Jules Siegel published an article about the “Smile” sessions called “Goodbye Surfing, Hello God” in October 1967 where he describes an October 1966 dinner party where Brian Wilson played guests some acetates of “Smile” material; with the first section of “Do You Like Worms” segueing into the “Grand Coolie” section of “Cabin Essence”, and then the “Who Ran The Iron Horse” section followed by “Barnyard” from “Heroes and Villains”. I sequenced the sections mostly in accordance with the information I have presented, but I n no way am I claiming my “Smile” fan-edit is the most accurate or most likely form “Smile” would have been realized towards in 1967, but I am fairly satisfied with it, as I hope you all are too.

So these acetates were made public? What year did that happen? I remember hearing about Durrie selling them in a garage sale at one point but never heard anything else about the matter. I guess they made it into some good hands?

A year or two ago I stored away much of my Beach Boys books, including Look Listen Vibrate Smile which includes the Siegel piece. I may have to dig those out soon and revisit those articles and books. Priore's book about the "Lost Masterpiece" is fantastic, though at times full of a lot of misinformation, it still sheds some amazing light on what zany things were going on with Brian and his crew during this time.

Thanks so much for the response! Every now and then there will be a SMiLE mix that rekindles my love of this album. Again, I can't wait to hear side-B! How will you be piecing together 'Wonderful'?
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike being comfortable with Bruce appearing on: January 04, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
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I recall seeing clips of Dave being handed assorted BB albums he didn’t play on to sign during the C50 and thinking that’s not right. It was probably easier to sign them than not I guess.
What made you think it isn't right? It's very easy thing to do, wouldn't hurt & be skin off him if he signs albums he isn't pictured. Doesn't seem big deal. Besides, even if he didn't play, say, Pet Sounds, he'd been BB when they began & the band going to different path with PS without him didn't & will not brush it away.

I mean, part of me thinks that it could be slightly hurtful to Dave: having been pushed out of the band (I guess he quit, but I think it was due to Murry's bullying behavior) and now he's handed albums to sign that he could have played on had he stayed with the band post-'63

Like, if an NFL player were traded to another team, and his initial team then went on to win the Super Bowl, and during some NFL Convention he's asked to sign a replica Super Bowl trophy commemorating the win that he missed out on, it would probably be offensive and hurtful to the player...both that the "fan" didn't know that he wasn't on the team at that time, and that he is now reminded yet again that he wasn't around for this ultimate Championship victory.

So, I can see how it could be hurtful. That being said, I think Dave was probably just happy that he was a part of the C50 and that he was in the fandom spotlight again. Just my uneducated take on the matter.
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 04, 2019, 09:14:33 AM
Awesome work and I love the sound of this! The lo-fi mix really adds a punch to the heavier parts (especially the chorus and outro of 'Cabin Essence').

So it has been AGES since I've read up on Smile and Brian's ideas for putting these "modules" of sound together from different songs. Can you explain the source(s) of your module edits, how much of this was your ideas vs how much is vintage? Pardon if that's asking too much, I know you explained your sources, but I'm just so out of the loop anymore with Smile stuff, I don't even remember hearing about the '66 tape compilation!

I really love the mix and I need to find some free time to really give the Side-A a good listen. Standout moments: 7:10 and beyond is just stellar, the transition at 11:25 feels like DYLW and Cabin Essence are part of the same song - you really get a good feel for the modular edit style Brian talked about.

I can't wait to hear side B!
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 03, 2019, 09:51:38 AM
Today's song is Heroes And Villains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9We8nzt1gJE

The first time I heard the "Boys and Girls" section I knew that this was going to be a very special album. This version doesn't trump the original recordings, however, I find it to be genuinely "happier" (joyful? gleeful?) sounding than the original recordings.

I think I prefer the originals to this due to the earlier vocals (actual Beach Boys) and Brian nailed the 'River Deep Mountain High' vibe that he was going for. Whereas the BWPS version is more atmospheric due to the mix. Still a great track to start the album off with.

4/5
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 01, 2019, 05:41:45 AM
Our Prayer/Gee, I give it a 4. It is impossible to sound like the vintage beach boys, but Brian’s band did a great job doing those harmonies while making the sound their own.

BWPS is one of the few albums that I have to listen to all the way through or not at all. And hearing this song gets me excited that I’m about to listen to a sonic adventure that cascades across spectrums of emotions and thoughts. I kinda want to hear this album now...
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surfer Girl (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 31, 2018, 11:56:12 AM
Meant to respond to this! Absolutely love it like the others.

What program do you use to compile/master the two tracks?
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969-70 Copyright Extension Release Prediction Thread on: December 31, 2018, 09:04:49 AM
A couple thoughts:

Bob Dylan (whatever labels are used for the Bootleg Series) does this thing with streaming services where places like Spotify or Apple Music get a "sample" of the boxset. Why not do that exact thing for these releases? If not much money is made with Spotify/Apple Music then why not upload a "sample" album with like 10 tracks, don't include the best ones, and then make it available for download on iTunes and other downloading services? If buying the digital downloads are key to keeping these releases going, then make the incentive greater for fans to buy it - and it's just as easy as going the Bob Dylan route and not making them totally available for free to listen to on Youtube.

May I also say to Alan and Mark that if you would prefer not to release a set one year for some reason, you might prefer to release all of it at once, that way there is no more injustice around the Beach Boys' legacy. Just a small suggestion, to release it all with a box set, instead of stopping all releases abruptly.

I'm picturing a double-sided boxset of Surf's Up and Sunflower...comes with both albums on vinyl, 2 CDs for each album with outtakes, demos, a cappella, and instrumentals. Heck, make a bonus disc of 'Landlocked' - what Surf's Up would have sounded like if Dennis' songs hadn't been removed. These are two of the greatest unknown albums the Beach Boys ever created. If any post-Smile album(s) deserve a boxset it is Surf's Up and Sunflower. Make them into one boxset and DO NOT put them up on streaming services and youtube for at least a year (go the 10 song sample route).

Also, I wonder if the Made In California boxset was the tipping point for Capitol to end the boxset releases for the Beach Boys? For some reason I think it didn't get the greatest of sales. But yet the SMiLE Boxset was on the Amazon charts for a good long while, if I recall correctly. MiC is a terrible barometer of possible boxset success for this band as many of us owned the majority of the songs on that boxset anyways, and thus were more unlikely to buy it (I got it, but it really wasn't a necessity as the Smile Boxset was). And many hardcore fans don't really dig Friends and 20/20 that much either, so it's hard to expect people to shell out money for songs they don't really care for in the first place. But Sunflower and Surf's Up? They are legends in the music community as a whole, making it on Rolling Stone lists and plenty other top-album lists. You've got a goldmine with those two albums, but the people who release this stuff need to be smart about how they do it.

Anywho, those are my thoughts about it all. I think the releases that Alan, Mark, and others have worked so hard on since MiC have been incredible, and I think that they deserve our support. I also think that people who run the finances ought to be shown the possible success of the Sunflower/Surf's Up material, and how it, of anything post-Smile, deserves a boxset.
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 28, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
It just dawned on me that there is a great fuzz guitar part that is buried in the mix during the chorus.

I would've had to have heard this with previous listens, but I don't think I ever acknowledged it. Man there's so much in this mix, I don't want to say "buried" in the mix because much of the atmospherics are intentionally nestled lower in the mix over the vocals. All the more reason for that Sunflower boxset...
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 27, 2018, 05:35:23 AM
The bridge is one of my favorite parts!

Gah, I wish I could love it! At 1:36-1:41 (where the “dit dit” vocals start) there’s just something that doesn’t sound right to my ears. Then again, there’s a part in the chorus of ‘Private Life of Bill and Sue” that I think is sung off-key that no one else hears, so I’m sure it’s my ears not translating the sound correctly.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was there an original cover for Sweet Insanity on: December 26, 2018, 05:53:28 PM
One interesting question to ponder: what would the fate of the album have been had it actually been released, with regards to reissues and just plain old acknowledgement of its existence? Obviously the title is in bad taste (and almost certainly a Landy idea too), and seeing as Landy's name has been removed from previous BBs/BW releases, would this album be treated much like SIP, where it's not even acknowledged in the BW catalog in an "official" capacity?
It probably wouldn't have been on online streaming service, just like Gettin' In Over My Head.

Why isn't Gettin' In Over My Head on any online streaming service?

I was just thinking about this the other day. I wondered if it was the record company (Rhino) just not allowing their music to be streamed (as some I think do). But a quick search and Rhino definitely distributes on streaming services.

I can’t imagine it’s because someone thinks it’s not worth bothering with. It’s not the best album but it’s got some pretty decent songs on it too. Would love to see this and Roxy put up.
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 26, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
Thanks for bumping! Christmas festivities kept me away from lurking/posting much.

I never really thought about it before, but in my mind I can hear Carl singing this with his Sunflower era voice and it would’ve been incredible. That being said, Mike brings such a “different” vibe to The Beach Boys style with this song (on top of the instrumental vibe being way different). I think this is one of the few songs where Mike sings really tenderly and melodiously.

Would this song have been a hit had it been released as a single? This brings me back to the interview with Fred Vail regarding the Sunflower era. He tried to get ‘Add Some Music’ in a station rotation and I think the DJ said “Fred, I can’t play that.” “Why not?” And the DJ gave him some response that either that the station didn’t want them playing The Beach Boys or he just refused all because the band just wasn’t popular anymore. I think the DJ came to this decision without even listening to the single - I could be wrong about that last part. The interview is on YouTube, I can’t listen to it at the moment though.

So had this been a potential killer hit it may not even had been able to get any air time.

One thing that has always bothered me about this song is the rather anti-climactic bridge before the last chorus. Most Beach Boys songs of this caliber have a really powerful vocal or instrumental section during the bridge. The one for AIWD seems to have some harmonies that don’t even fit together (to my ears) and it kinda jars me out of the hypnotizing trance the rest of the song puts me in.

Edit: wanted to add that despite my thoughts on the bridge I think this is one of the coolest Beach Boys songs of that era. And it is a testament to how diverse The Beach Boys could be while still making work that was miles ahead and above everyone else - even if their efforts went widely unheard.

Great topic (and points to consider) and I hope others contribute!
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: December 24, 2018, 11:53:32 AM
1. At My Window
2. Cabin Essence
3. Sloop John B
4. Help Me Rhonda
5. Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile)
6. You Still Believe In Me
7. Susie Cincinnati
8. Good To My Baby
9. I Wanna Pick You Up
10. Surfin' USA

Susie Cincinnati is so underrated. Glad to see that it made at least one list!

I'm gonna think about my top 10 for a while before posting. Too many great songs to choose from!
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 24, 2018, 11:25:15 AM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

I came here to see if anyone had posted this. What a moment.
Something like this really makes me realize and remember why Brian Wilson is so special. I think I've said this before, but I would love more than anything to have an entire album of just Brian, with only his voice and piano. Hell, it doesn't even need to be recorded professionally.

I know quite a few people here have mentioned how they would love Rick Rubin to produce a BW album...give it that same feel as his Johnny Cash work. I don't think this is something Brian would even be willing to try and do, and I don't think it would work even if it did happen. But the idea of Brian with minimal but tasteful production is nice to think about. The IJWMFTTs soundtrack is probably the closest we'll get to something like that, I just wish we had a newer version now that Brian's vocals are sounding much better than that era.
Think about this for a moment; GIOMH is Brian half assing his way through a pretty lousy album. But Brian can still half ass it through something like his "home grown" version of "Heaven" and have the results be breathtaking. He just needs to be doing material that he wants and likes to sing.

This is very true. You can tell when Brian is really into something or not.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 24, 2018, 10:19:57 AM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

I came here to see if anyone had posted this. What a moment.
Something like this really makes me realize and remember why Brian Wilson is so special. I think I've said this before, but I would love more than anything to have an entire album of just Brian, with only his voice and piano. Hell, it doesn't even need to be recorded professionally.

I know quite a few people here have mentioned how they would love Rick Rubin to produce a BW album...give it that same feel as his Johnny Cash work. I don't think this is something Brian would even be willing to try and do, and I don't think it would work even if it did happen. But the idea of Brian with minimal but tasteful production is nice to think about. The IJWMFTTs soundtrack is probably the closest we'll get to something like that, I just wish we had a newer version now that Brian's vocals are sounding much better than that era.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Little Saint Nick (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 23, 2018, 06:51:21 PM
These covers make me want to get my YouTube Premium subscription back so I can listen to these like an album from my phone. Can’t wait for Surfer Girl!
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
Alright, so it appears that the owner of PSF is not willing to reopen the forum, so we're now migrating to a new forum called Endless Harmony.  It's going to be a continuation of PSF and I've been made a mod.  I'm making this post here because PSF was abruptly shut down and a lot of the members there are not going to know about PSF or why it's not being reopened.  Here is the link for those of you interested: http://endlessharmony.boards.net/

Nice, the forum has been up for less than a few hours and Cam is already taking shots at Guitarfool. The name "Endless Harmony" became ironic in record time.

Sigh. I know but to hell with that. Let them do their own thing. Not going to have this all start over again.   I sincerely meant what I said earlier and I know Craig does as well.  At the end of the day it really is all about the music and quite frankly it should stay that way. I would ask that nobody takes any potshots in return, but also not start promoting it over here (the initial post from ck is fine) . I also ask that none of us register over there to start sh*t or promote this board over there.  This fight is done.

Absolutely right, Billy. Apologies for the above post, and from here on the drama is over from my end.

Happy Holidays/Christmas to everyone here!
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:30:24 PM
Alright, so it appears that the owner of PSF is not willing to reopen the forum, so we're now migrating to a new forum called Endless Harmony.  It's going to be a continuation of PSF and I've been made a mod.  I'm making this post here because PSF was abruptly shut down and a lot of the members there are not going to know about PSF or why it's not being reopened.  Here is the link for those of you interested: http://endlessharmony.boards.net/

Nice, the forum has been up for less than a few hours and Cam is already taking shots at Guitarfool. The name "Endless Harmony" became ironic in record time.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Watamushi stepped down as Admin on: December 23, 2018, 05:04:45 PM
Watamushi stepped down from his admin position on the PS Forum I just want to apologize for any hurtful words I said about Watamushi and Dick Rising’s moderation decisions. Though I still don’t agree with how things were handled there, I also didn’t need to say some things I said.

Any frustration I have regarding this drama is years of irritation about how things were handled from day one of that forum’s existence. That doesn’t excuse what I said about Watamushi and D Rising, but it at least explains the emotions behind what and why I said those things.

The biggest irony is my annoyance of how certain posters over on the PS forum act(ed) when I myself stooped to acting the same way because of this situation.

Watamushi has been such a positive part of this fandom since he arrived at both forums. If he doesn’t retake his admin position I hope he will at least continue to post and share his positivity about this music. I’m sorry again to both moderators, it’s not an easy job and my words certainly didn’t help.
I've kept quiet until now, in the fear of derailing this thread with arguments, but now I'm no longer a staff there and I'd like to speak up.

First, I'm really relieved to hear that from you. I have been disturbed and devastated by the entire situation in the last few days (please note that it's not only about this thread), and I considered getting away from both of the forums at some point. Thank you so much for your apology.

I have to apologize myself, too, I'm afraid. Although we had to draw a line in somewhere and make a decision, the way I spoke about guitarfool over there was a tad too blunt and thoughtless, and I'm pretty sure that didn't help when guitarfool spoke up about it here.

Also, when a bunch of less engaged posters here spoke up against guitarfool, some of them came off somewhat aggressive toward him. When I saw them posted, I feared it would result in argument and I asked some of them via personal messages "not to take it too far", but some eventually took it a tad too far. I'm sorry about that.

That being said, in defence of these members, they are definitely not sock puppets of someone else who wants to hide their identity. They are all legitimate and verifiable members on here, PSF or Beach Boys Discord. I can assure it, and I believe so can Dick Rising.

Again, thanks for your words, as well as your appreciation on what I've been doing in music discussion. I'll see if I still feel comfortable being around here and there, and if I indeed do, I will continue to post, as long as my capacity allows. I hope I do.

You have absolutely nothing to apologize for, Watamushi. I feel terrible for the way I stated some things directed at you and D Rising, and I should have recognized how hurtful that was to both you and him at the time I wrote those posts.

Don Malcom put it perfectly above: "Anyone who mods any BB group has an essentially thankless task. Our guys make the right decision upwards of 95% of the time, and the decisions they made which led to the creation of PS(F) were on the money." That part in bold is why there is so much angst: People like Guitarfool and myself saw a lot of terrible things happen here, and our ongoing negative emotions come from seeing those same people who did those terrible things here get what look like free passes there (this mostly has to do with the decision to allow them on that forum in the first place when the board was created, and many decisions made after that).

This doesn't justify my comments toward you and D Rising, but I hope this helps people understand why some here get so heated about this stuff. Anyways, I've said my piece. I truly hope you stay on any Beach Boys forums you're apart of, the positivity you bring to the community is much needed.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:42:13 AM
Jay, not sure if you’re being facetious, but when you go to the PSF site it says “due to a lack of mods the forum will be remain inactive until further notice.” So it definitely had to do with this.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:10:25 AM
Whether or not I had any effect on his decision, his resignation made me realize how my words could (and possibly did) impact the actions/feelings of another (especially someone, as AGD put it, thrust head first into a ridiculous situation). If Watamushi said it was his own fault (I don't remember that part) then so be it, but I can still recognize that I didn't need to say a few things that I did.
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Watamushi stepped down as Admin on: December 23, 2018, 04:32:51 AM
Watamushi stepped down from his admin position on the PS Forum I just want to apologize for any hurtful words I said about Watamushi and Dick Rising’s moderation decisions. Though I still don’t agree with how things were handled there, I also didn’t need to say some things I said.

Any frustration I have regarding this drama is years of irritation about how things were handled from day one of that forum’s existence. That doesn’t excuse what I said about Watamushi and D Rising, but it at least explains the emotions behind what and why I said those things.

The biggest irony is my annoyance of how certain posters over on the PS forum act(ed) when I myself stooped to acting the same way because of this situation.

Watamushi has been such a positive part of this fandom since he arrived at both forums. If he doesn’t retake his admin position I hope he will at least continue to post and share his positivity about this music. I’m sorry again to both moderators, it’s not an easy job and my words certainly didn’t help.
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 22, 2018, 02:35:06 PM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

Just saw this on Facebook! What a great moment.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 22, 2018, 02:03:55 PM
Where was the harrasment? Honest question because I am trying to get up to speed. Just made it home and reading the last few pages is giving me a hell of a headache
“Yes, again I stand by what I said about Watamushi and his activity here, but he was completely full of sh*t in regards to my wanting to come there strictly to cause problems, and my confrontational posts.”
“Watamushi, if that's the kind of crap you'll use to moderate over there, I hope the reasons why you're giving Filledeplage and Manning free passes are worth it. Because your credibility just went down considerably.”
“Wondering who the mods think she is, unless there is another reason why they never take any action if she's involved or why it feels she can break any rules she chooses and gets a free pass.”
“Yes, of course my posts were pulled out of context and distorted to fit what Watamushi and Dick/Kane needed it to fit. That's how they justified their bullshit actions and bullshit in general, but it obviously isn't true as even observers reading through it are noticing.

So Watamushi and Dick, in your new capacity as the two mods running the place, are you happy that your first action is based on bullshit that outside observers are noticing and calling out as bullshit? Not to mention your complete avoidance of those like Filledeplage and Manning who publicly took a sh*t on your orders and posts and did what they wanted, and got away with it.”
“They could also answer why Watamushi posted comments of mine to justify a ban, comments taken out of context  that someone who isn't even a member there read, analyzed the context perfectly,  and called out as the bullshit it is? ”

“What do you call ignoring certain members' breaking of the board rules and constant shitting on your actions as a mod while calling out and scapegoating others if not playing favorites? For f**k's sake, it's not like no one is noticing this hypocrisy”

“So guys, Dick and Watmushi, if you're going to publicly try to pin this on me and assign things to me that did not happen, your credibility exists somewhere on the level of Rocky Pamplin, the topic of the thread where all this went down. Enjoy that with the 10 or so posters who get coddled and given free reign to disrespect you as moderators regularly.”


“When it reaches a point where the most recent moderators over there have to invent reasons to post why someone was banned, and make sh*t up based on their needs versus what actually played out (and can be readily seen in public posts) it's all but a lost cause.”

“Nice job guys, or guy in this case since it seems Watamushi was alone in putting the ban on Filledeplage and perhaps Dick found the whole thing too "draining" and didn't agree with banning a favored member.”

“Clusterfuck of the highest order.“

“Dick/Kane and Watamushi were either afraid of upsetting certain favored posters there, or they had marching orders to follow from other sources, or they're simply not good at moderating a board that averages between 20-30 readers and hasn't grown beyond that in over two years. That may say it all.

If they're going to run that place based on lies and allowing lies to stand (and liars to do whatever the f*** they want...), they'll have no credibility. They're on the level of Stan and Rocky, or even more pathetic, on the level of original admin Dirk/drBeachBoy who ran the board from Doe's back pocket until he flipped out on the mods he chose as the original admin and got banned from his own board for not following the rules.”


This wasn’t even all of it.

Ok I understand where you’re coming from, but also understand that he was responding to actions taken in an official capacity as mods that he can’t respond to over there due to his ban

My two cents: there's a PM function and both are users over here. There's no need to repeatedly slander them in public for just trying to make what they felt was the correct decision. Dick's told me he feels the situation could've been handled better, because others in the wrong also should've been dealt with at the same time, but I think it was the right call in the long term considering the nauseating history of bickering (between GF and...everyone else? doesn't that suggest something?) and exactly what's currently happening here on this thread. This is an incredibly weak and disappointing position to see the other mods take, and that's coming from someone who joined both forums at around the same time long after the original schism happened. And I have been made aware (in detail) of exactly how ugly it got. Doesn't change my opinion at all. I don't get involved in the forum squabbles, and I post at both places, but the mess of this thread and downright nastiness prompted me to jump in and say something for the first time.

And no, Dick Rising is not secretly The Lovester for anyone believing that for some reason.

Yes, I already stated in the very post that I suggested DR was possibly the Lovester that I was wrong about that. And I didn't say he was "secretly" the loverster, I thought he had changed his name from Kane to that at some point, apologies for the confusion and no offense was meant towards DR. But my point definitely still stands toward him and the other mod there.

Second point, Dick Rising saying that Filledeplague needing to be banned the same time as the other two is completely beside the point. People were goading Guitarfool on from DAY ONE that he was there. Why weren't they banned then for EXACTLY what they were banned for a few days ago? It's the same charge, but yet it took the mods months to do anything about it. And by that point people had lobbed countless insults and attacks at Craig on that forum. It's just a complete breakdown of any consistent modding if you ask me.
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As for the issue of the boxset: someone's name being on the credits shouldn't stop us from supporting such a great set. But again, there's a person on those credits that tried to make me look like a liar when I was not one. Who made some crass gossip comments regarding Brian and Melinda's adopted children. Who mocked a child of a fellow Beach Boys fan/writer. If people are cool with this behavior then I'm kinda at a loss for how much disgusting crap people are willing to look past. So though this person's name is on some credits, I still support the set, but NO ONE should be surprised at any backlash when such a person is on the credits. Seriously, those that put together these boxes may want to do some background on the people that "help" with these releases.

And Wirestone, you bring years and years of wonderful knowledge and insight to this forum, even after writing all the above perhaps it is best this thread be deep-sixed and we move on from the issue. Hope all is well on your end.
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