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76  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 16, 2018, 05:45:42 PM
I agree with a lot of that. But I do want to say that while alcohol related deaths is a serious issue, alcohol at the very least isn't designed to inflict pain. Just like cars aren't - despite the fact that there are many, many car-related fatalities. In that case, we can't really apply the same standard to alcohol and cars that we could apply to guns. But, yes, I do think lots of efforts should be made to reduce those numbers as well.

Though I totally see what you mean, I will say that the addiction nature of alcohol makes it a fundamentally negative product...even if it is marketed as a consumption to enjoy. Alcohol is a drug. It exploits those prone to addiction (1 in 8 Americans are alcoholics), and I would argue that it is one of the worst gateway drugs out there. So while it may not be designed to inflict pain, it conveniently creates addiction which creates more demand for this product. Which to me is one reason (of many) that makes it just as bad a product as a gun.

But you could make the same argument about coffee - it's also a drug and many who drink it have a dependency on it. It's also not particularly great for your health. In general, I'm not a subscriber to the gateway drug theory and if I were to be completely honest, I think that all drugs should be legalized. But I do believe that there should be drug-control in much the same way that I think there should be gun control.

I donít think I was very clear in my last post. Because alcohol led to 88,000 deaths in America last year (3.3 million deaths worldwide last year), and that it is also addictive makes for it to be a lethal product. I donít think coffee related deaths are even worth making a statistic of. Iím not saying that addiction alone makes alcohol as bad a product as a gun, Iím saying that addiction coupled with how statistically lethal alcohol is makes it as bad a product as a gun...if not worse.

As for the gateway drug point, my opinion about that is based on what Iíve seen in my life...so I totally understand if the statistics donít back that up and Iím willing to be shown evidence contrary to my opinion. It was more of an aside and wasnít really meant to back up my point in my previous post.
77  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 16, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
I agree with a lot of that. But I do want to say that while alcohol related deaths is a serious issue, alcohol at the very least isn't designed to inflict pain. Just like cars aren't - despite the fact that there are many, many car-related fatalities. In that case, we can't really apply the same standard to alcohol and cars that we could apply to guns. But, yes, I do think lots of efforts should be made to reduce those numbers as well.

Though I totally see what you mean, I will say that the addiction nature of alcohol makes it a fundamentally negative product...even if it is marketed as a consumption to enjoy. Alcohol is a drug. It exploits those prone to addiction (1 in 8 Americans are alcoholics), and I would argue that it is one of the worst gateway drugs out there. So while it may not be designed to inflict pain, it conveniently creates addiction which creates more demand for this product. Which to me is one reason (of many) that makes it just as bad a product as a gun.
78  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 16, 2018, 03:59:34 PM
62% of all gun related deaths in America were from suicide in 2017. That is 9,300 people killing themselves, leaving 5,700 people outside of that statistic. 2,020 of those were accidental shootings. That leaves roughly 3,700 people shot intentionally. 1000 of those shootings were by police officers. That leaves 2,700 intentional deaths among civilians. When you look at the shooting maps of America youíll see sporadic gun related deaths mostly in the southeast (where redneck gun culture runs rampant) but you will see huge groups of those shootings centered around major cities all over America. 650 alone were murdered in Chicago in 2017. St. Louis, 205 murders. NYC, 290 murders. LA, 271. Baltimore, 343. Philly, 317. Point Iím getting at: so many murders happen in urban areas (where people donít give a damn about the American revolution).

There is a culture of revolution, confederacy, of ďI need to stock up on my AR-15s beífore the govment tries takin em away!Ē in the south (and other areas of America). But I would venture to bet that most intentional murders take place with glocks and pistols in the inner cities. The inner city has their own type of gun culture: cops are shooting everyone, the gang down the street is shooting everyone. Snoop told me in the 5th grade itís cool to carry so thatís what I do. That gun culture is every bit as toxic as the redneck gun culture that tells people they need to stock up before the next crazy Alex Jones conspiracy comes true.

And keep in mind that the majority of gun deaths are from suicide in this country. Thatís a lot of people who do need mental healthcare. Some say ďwell the guns still need to go, then thereíd be less suicide...because a gun makes suicide quick and easy, a road most would rather go down than jumping from a tall buildingĒ I totally agree that if there were no guns, the suicide rate would go down. However, that still leaves a plethora of people alive so damn unhappy to be living on this earth. Mental health programs need to be a major focus in the coming years. Whether by government or something else.

Our obsession with guns fucking stupid? Absolutely. Captain wrote a great post above; this is such a confusing issue with so many variables itís not even funny. Itís not black and white at all.

Know how many people die of alcohol related deaths every year? 88,000. Compare that to 2,700 intention civilian murders in the US. Yet guns are apparently the major issue, yet those wanting their complete ban probably support an industry that kills many times more people than guns. Just throwing that out there. I drink occasionally so I obviously have nothing wrong with this statistic, but if weíre going to get pissed about kids being shot at in schools, I would expect that same amount of disgust for an industry that helps aid in the deaths of so many more children who die in car wrecks caused by drunk drivers. Statistically, the worldís obsession with alcohol is even fucking stupider than Americaís obsession with guns.

Also KDS, honest apologies for helping veer this thread so far off its intended path. Tbh writing and reading about this topic helps me understand it more, it helps evolve my ideas on this issue. But youíre right, this isnít the right thread for it I suppose.

I went to Barnes and Noble today and bought a beautiful art book, did some design work, and ate some pizza. It was a darn good day!
79  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 08:38:41 PM
For some reason Iíve always assumed you were from the US, honestly I donít know why!

Man, home invasions seem to happen often in my area. As I said before, some friends of mine just last week dealt with that (many of their neighbors had the same issue). The small city I live near had a slew of them a few years ago, and a slew of sexual assaults, including a series of disappearances/murders. I had a friend mugged right in front of me. Iíve been in a near empty school on lockdown while a gunman running from the police was loose on the premise - thank god he didnít shoot anyone there (forgot about that one in my post earlier). I envy you live somewhere where such a thing is pretty much unheard of!
80  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 08:06:22 PM
When it happens to you itís really not an illusion of protection. Statistically Iím sure it is an illusion, but on that night had events turned darker I shudder to think what could have happened to our family if we didnít have a gun in the house.

Yes, statistically it's very much an illusion.

And I have no doubt that what you are saying is true. Just as when, say, there's an element of truth when the US convinces the population to support a war against a country because they claim that the country represents a "threat." But the US doesn't go to war because they want to quell a threat - there's an ulterior motive that they guard from the public and simply use the exterior threat to garner public support. And what ends up happening like say in the case of the Iraq invasion, is the perfectly predictable outcome wherein the so-called act of self-defense actually made the the threat of an outside attack greater. In my view, the same is true regarding the issue of guns: there is a small possibility that you might be attacked in your home but that's not why gun manufacturers want you to buy their guns and the fact that they have convinced so many people to buy their guns for that reason has actually led to an increase of the possibility that those people will be injured by gun violence.

Very much agreed. Out of curiosity, is there any way you yourself protect your home and (possible) family?
81  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 07:42:54 PM
Even if all gun manufacturers in the country were shut down, aren't there already hundreds of millions of guns in the country? Couldn't more just be smuggled in?

I think Australia had a pretty successful gun turn-in program when they adopted gun-control practices. Someone else here could probably detail how that happened and what the statistics turned out to be. There have been some great debates on the owning of guns here on this forum.. School shootings shouldnít happen, Vegas never should have happened. And I think there are ways to curb those types of events by both stricter gun control and better mental health programs in this country and across the world.

In an ideal world it would be great for guns to cease to exist. I will be on a search for a reliable tool (that is not a gun) that could protect my family and myself in case of break in. Until that time Iím happy leaving a firearm safely in my home for protection. A gang of people tried breaking into my childhood home decades ago. Had they succeeded in breaking in I canít imagine how my father would have defended us without the use of a firearm. When it happens to you itís really not an illusion of protection. Statistically Iím sure it is an illusion, but on that night had events turned darker I shudder to think what could have happened to our family if we didnít have a gun in the house.
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 15, 2018, 07:26:13 PM
My liking of this song fluctuates from time to time. I love that middle section with the instrumental break, I love the beat and the lead vocals. But I feel it goes on 2 minutes too long.

3.5/5, round it up to a 4. Itís a perfect song for this album though - rolling, creative, and so unlike what youíd think The Beach Boys would record.
83  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 07:22:30 PM
I'm not against having one gun for protection, but it needs to be registered, the owner needs to take a safety course, and can't have unlimited amounts of ammo. And why does anyone need an AR-15?
Reading the comments in social media from people today makes me so upset. Suggest anything more than "thoughts and prayers" and they all but call you the devil incarnate.
So, nothing will change.

Totally agree.
84  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
But in this country (America) when there are guns owned by so many crooks, and in a country where a crook can easily walk out of a pawn shop with a pistol or rifle, I think the average Joe has a right to keep a weapon in his house (safely) to defend his family from intrudes or whatever else may happen. But again, Iím all for alternate (effective) ways to protect my family.

I suppose you can really prevent people from getting guns by just shutting down every gun manufacturer in the country.

Yes indeed. Perhaps one day in the distant future such a thing will happen. What shocks me is that no one has thought of a better alternate (or at least been able to mass market such a device) - like a more efficient weapon that doesnít use bullets that could still cause fatal damage, or on the flip side, a better ďstunĒ weapon that would instantly neutralize someone running from the law without killing them or doing long term harm.
85  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 15, 2018, 11:15:45 AM
After living through near break-ins, knowing friends who just last week went through a break-in experience in my area, knowing how horrific some sexual assaults can be, having lived in a pretty ghetto area once in my life, and other things I wonít detail here, I canít really sleep soundly if I donít have a gun in my house nearby. But I am also willing to find alternate ways to protect my family as well. For me, itís about protecting my loved ones and myself in my home from evil people with evil intentions.

I am all for stricter gun control. I know some gun nuts who have WAY more guns than they need. I think people who own guns should own safes and store their guns in them, keep the weapons empty and the ammo in a separate area. I think if you own a gun you should be required to attend safety classes every year or two. Stricter background checks? Hell yeah. Limit on how many guns and how much ammo you have? I could support that.

But in this country (America) when there are guns owned by so many crooks, and in a country where a crook can easily walk out of a pawn shop with a pistol or rifle, I think the average Joe has a right to keep a weapon in his house (safely) to defend his family from intrudes or whatever else may happen. But again, Iím all for alternate (effective) ways to protect my family.

Mental health is a huge problem in this country and I wish to god the government would take it more seriously. BOTH gun control and mental health need to be on the table. Itís not a one or the other thing. There are people out there who do need help, there are also people out there who are completely irresponsible with guns. Guns are way too easy to purchase. This sh*t needs to be taken care of before more people suffer. A lot of things need to change in this country.

No child should have to go to school worried about guns. After Columbine I was scared to death of going to school. We held shooting drills all through my schooling. Heck, one year we had so many bomb threats we had to use make-up days at the end of the year because we missed too many classes while the bomb detection dogs went through the school for the rest of the day. People do stupid things with or without guns, and Iím all for more gun control and stricter rules, but also keep in mind that your Timothy McVeighs, Eric Harrisí, Ted Kaczynskis will find a way to create disaster in this world - the best way to curb this problem is not only by taking away the weapons (I'm sure it helps) but by helping them heal their mental problems before they get to a breaking point.
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 15, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
Iím sure the label Mike used does have the mentality that it is 1995. However, even in an age of samples and streaming, having those names of BBs tunes on there makes the odds of this album selling more much greater than if people just saw Ram Raj and 10,000 years.

For those of us who sample the songs, and understand the making of this album - that second disc is not for us. That second disc is for the the casuals at the concert who see the names of those Beach Boys songs and are more tempted to buy them if they can hear those classics...not realizing they are about to take a brass knuckle sucker punch to the eardrums when Mikeís auto-tuned nasal phalanx comes ripping through the stereo system.

That second disc is likely for impulse buy concert goers.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 13, 2018, 09:16:57 PM
I wonder, would Mike's album get this much flack if it didn't include a bonus disc of BB's remakes?

Probably not. But I think the first disc would be far more scrutinized than it currently is if the second didnít exist. That second disc takes the brunt of the criticism (and it makes the first disc look like Pet Sounds in comparison), but frankly the same poor vocal processing and the same plastic-feeling production on the second disc occurs on the first too - just in smaller amounts.

Still, that first disc is surprising in that most of it doesnít try to rehash that cliched Beach Boys sound and subject. Itís its own unique solo album that probably wouldíve gone over a bit better if you take away ĎGetcha Backí, the second disc, and the horrible vocal processing. Also, after the lawsuits and constant media bitching about the Wilsons, Mike singing about unleashing the love is ironic to say the least.
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate 'Smile Sessions' Box Set (Fan Mix) on: February 13, 2018, 03:14:17 PM
Dang, I just saw one download button. Pretty sure itís an ad block thing, and I highly recommend anyone here who doesnít have one definitely get one. Makes browsing the web a hassle-free experience. That being said, I do recommend OP use Dropbox next time.

@OP, man everything sounds so crisp and clear and beautiful. That sped up ĎWonderfulí sounds so perfect! And given Brian sped up ĎCaroline Noí and was experimenting with sped up instrumentals at that time it is pretty plausible that he couldíve gone with this speed originally. Thinking about Murry recommending that Brian speed up ĎCaroline Noí got me thinking: did Murry ever visit the studio during the Smile sessions?

I swear ĎGood Vibrationsí has some really great moment where a vocal of Carlís is drawn out in the background and flows seemlessly into his next line. Also the Heroes and Villains mix on the first disc is perfect! I couldnít really get into the flown-in vocals in ĎChildí but perhaps itíll grow on me.

If itís no trouble could you detail how you made this mix?

I havenít listened to the entire thing but will keep listening over the next
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Specific Beach Boys Musical Moment That Is Kicking Your Ass Right Now on: February 13, 2018, 11:37:05 AM
The boot where BW sings it live in 1971 is even better! Cool Guy

Man Iím gonna have to dig that out, wish I had my collection more easily accessible.
It's on YouTube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptrbZwsQqdg

Thanks much! I do prefer the original but its great to hear him sing that himself.
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate 'Smile Sessions' Box Set (Fan Mix) on: February 13, 2018, 11:32:52 AM
This looks amazing.  But -- and maybe I'm just an idiot -- I can't figure out a way to download any of this without also adding crapware like "EasyMovies Search."  Does anyone know how to download just the music?

I'm on a Mac and didn't get any of that, I think I have an ad blocker installed on my machine though. Perhaps install an ad blocker and try again?
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Alternate 'Smile Sessions' Box Set (Fan Mix) on: February 13, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
*hopes mods conveniently ignore this post until everyone has had an opportunity to download this* - edit; actually, does this even count as a boot? I've forgotten that so many have posted their Smile mixes like this and it wasn't an issue. Carry on :D

Well my day is now shot. Thanks sydsutcliffe! The titles of these tracks are making me giddy - it had been too long since someone did a great SMiLE mix and this looks like you've knocked it out of the friggin park!

Speaking of Parks, how did you do the 'Heroes and Villains Durrie Parks Acetate Reproduction'? Was there a description of this acetate floating around?

Thanks so much again, this looks like it was a labor of love, can't wait to dive in!
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Specific Beach Boys Musical Moment That Is Kicking Your Ass Right Now on: February 12, 2018, 05:46:36 PM
The boot where BW sings it live in 1971 is even better! Cool Guy

Man Iím gonna have to dig that out, wish I had my collection more easily accessible.
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Specific Beach Boys Musical Moment That Is Kicking Your Ass Right Now on: February 12, 2018, 05:16:38 PM
Jack Reiley's falsetto lines at the end of Day in the Life of a Tree. Never fails to give me chills.

The entire ending of that song always gives me chills. And apparently Brian was in the booth during the recording and he teared up when he heard it. I just love the different voices that make up that entire song. Truly underrated.
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - Unleash the Love - Due November 17 - w/ 2nd Disc of BB Remakes on: February 12, 2018, 02:50:18 PM
I think Mike's album could get some attention if it were promoted better, like with a promotional tv commercial.

Too bad MiC didnít come out this year, Mike couldíve given away copies of Unleash on another QVC gig.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 12, 2018, 09:54:01 AM
5 stars indeed.

Mike does have a great lead vocal. The track is like a folk-y California Girls (intentionally so), a nice homage to Cool Cool Water thrown in. Really fantastic song.
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce 2018 Tour Thread on: February 11, 2018, 04:31:34 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjNN1Qo2S7Y

"This is a song we did on Full House...".

No mention of Dennis. Pictures of Stamos' wedding in the background. I really hate to join in on the bashing, but man, this is painful stuff. What a shitty time to be a "Beach Boys" fan.

Ya know, I have to pass on a comment I saw on Reddit last month. It was the top comment for a top post on the fourth most popular website in the world. The post was about someone jumping out of an airplane into their wedding, top comment was:

ďDangerous move man. Remember that episode of Full House when Uncle Jesse did this and landed in a tomato truck? Then he went to jail and Danny had to bail him out. Wedding couldíve been a disaster but then he played the piano and sang ďForeverĒ to Aunt Becky and everyone was like, Aww, and sort of just forgot about the dumb ass skydiving incident.Ē

Okay, its a hilarious comment because it showcases the idiocy that Full House was. But right there is the biggest slap in the face to one of Dennis Wilsonís most touching songs. Full House/John Stamos took a really heartfelt song and used it in a sitcom episode where he skydives into a damn tomato truck. Okay, whatever, happened decades ago, right?

But now that SAME episode is being touted as the main draw for this song....AT A ďBEACH BOYSĒ CONCERT. I canít even let that sink in because its so remarkably stupid. Not to mention that Reddit comment (being upvoted by thousands and viewed by millions) above goes to show how much people remember that show and the song ďForeverĒ being played after Uncle Jesse skydives into a tomoto truck. What a legacy this is becoming!
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 11, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
Iím kinda with BummerinParadise about spoken word parts in songs (itís the only part of ĎLonely Seaí I donít care for), but this track is so well done and the narration is so good I donít mind it at all.

The mixing on this album is so darn good and this song is a perfect example of it. Sounds like this song is being played somewhere in a forested canyon of Big Sur.

5/5
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce 2018 Tour Thread on: February 10, 2018, 06:37:29 PM
He's more like an old acquaintance that constantly disappoints you with his decisions but you still let him off the hook more than you should because you both go way back or something. LOL

This is pretty spot on. The past few months I started giving him the benefit of the doubt because he seemed like a different person in his interviews in the last year. Then that weird Mojo interview happened and it shattered my hopes haha.

I really want to like the guy. I canít even imagine the roller coaster it has been for everyone in the band (aside from all we have read and heard, the emotional aspect is something I donít think we fans understand at all), so I think all the people in this band should be given some slack here and there. When Mike opened up about his childhood it really helped me understand him more and I gave him some slack in many areas. But Mike just keeps on with tactless nonsense about the Wilsons and itís really unnecessary. Contrary to what some windbags out there think, people donít go looking furiously for a villain in Mike Love - you donít at all have to stretch reality to understand why some think Mike is a dick: when you lie about your family members for potential monetary gain, expect people to look down on you. When you make constant tactless comments about your family members, expect people to look down on you.

Imagine a world where we all treated our relatives the way Mike Love treats Brian and the legacy of Carl and Dennis. Imagine if you made some bad decisions in your past and your famous cousin mentioned these decisions every time a mic was stuck in his face. Imagine if a family member sued you and lied about the accomplishments you made in life just to make a few bucks. That would be a horrible world to live in.

Also, SamMcK, I went off on a tangent and the last two paragraphs are not directed at you Grin
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 10, 2018, 05:18:17 PM
5 stars. A perfect opening to a great trilogy of songs.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce 2018 Tour Thread on: February 10, 2018, 04:57:16 PM
Damn - Ok, am I allowed to say I love Mike love ? I have met the gut a few times, blimey he even bought me a drink and signed everything I gave him 😉

Hell yeah youíre allowed to say that. I think most of the fans whoíve met him have great things to say about the experience. To me, no matter how many drinks the man buys people or how many items he signs, doesnít take away the fact that he blatantly lied about Brian on a personal level in the 2005 lawsuit, and to that I think heís a pretty scummy individual (among other reasons). No need for me to meet the man to understand what a dick move that was. But if you like him, no harm in that either. Weíve all got our reasons for our likes and dislikes that make sense to us.
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