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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 20, 2018, 02:57:16 PM
While we are making confessions  LOL

I genuinely believe AGD should be allowed back, he's far too valuable

Valuable to whom? It is a documented fact that he abused his status as a "historian" to spread lies and nonsense about Brian and Melinda Wilson and about people who still post here on this forum (I mean, the claim that Melinda Wilson was posting as Smile Brian is utterly hilarious for it's absurdity. I think SB and I are ranked near the top of how much time we spend on this forum - it's laughable to think that anyone would believe that Melinda Wilson would spend the last 10 years posting thousands of posts here). He tried to paint me as a liar regarding the issue and soon after the record showed that I was the one telling the truth. One major thing I am thankful for about this forum is that the moderators who work hard to run it realize that AGD should never be allowed back under any circumstance. Something I proposed (which actually got shot down here, and funny enough was adopted on the PS Forum) was the forum keeping a public record of all the bans that had taken place here - the people who were banned and why they were banned.

Every now and then someone will come along and request that certain members be let back, where if there was a place easily accessible to see all the horrible crap those banned members did to get banned perhaps people wouldn't be so quick to ask for these banned members to come back. Such a record could possibly have given the current and past moderators of the PS Forum a bit more knowledge about some of the posters on their own forum...and perhaps they would have made some better decisions regarding who they allow to post there...but given the latest move to ban Guitarfool over him replying to some off-topic comments I doubt that any amount of information could help the mods there make good decisions.
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 19, 2018, 11:56:54 AM
My favorite part is the "evidence" that Watamushi linked in Guitarfool's banned thread. It was two posts of Guitarfool rightfully defending himself from off-topic false accusations...and by "defending" I mean it was Guitarfool civilly responding and then trying to get the conversation back on topic. And now the PS forum has an "Ass kissing thread" I guess to mock this one. I wonder if the person who started that thread will get a few gold stars from the mods for that move.

I think Billy is partially right in that it will take concentrated effort for the "fighting" to stop. However, I think this thread right here is the most the PS Forum has been talked about on this forum in well over 6 months. Whereas go to any random thread there and you can usually read some childish digs about this place at least a couple times a week. And you'd think if their forum was so good they wouldn't waste so much of their time bitching about this one.

But the "concentrated effort" that Billy wants needs to come from the moderators of a forum allowing some pretty bad stuff to happen on their turf. In a couple days this forum will go back to talking about Beach Boys stuff, whereas the lying and nonsense will just continue over there as long as a few of their members are allowing to get by Scott-free when they clearly break the rules.

Guitarfool, thanks for the correction about Sheriff John Stone. After his admitting to such a petulant troll job I just assumed he was banned, I forgot he just skittered off.
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 19, 2018, 10:04:29 AM
I'm curious about the status of Watamushi as a member here.

Watamushi has been a great poster here. Which is why Iím even more blown away by such a terrible act of moderation on that forum.

Sheriff John Stone was banned from here due to admitting to years of trolling Brian fans.
Mikeís Beard was banned at one point for harassing one of Brianís previous girlfriends on this very forum.

Yet Guitarfool is perma banned for replying to false accusations and those who first veered the conversation off-topic are given slight slaps on the wrist.

Iím incredibly disappointed in that mod decision and those who made it. But again, doesnít surprise me given the atmosphere and members of that forum.
79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This pianist deserves our attention! on: December 19, 2018, 07:56:35 AM
Thanks so much for posting this! Man when he hits those chorus sections (and the coda) that song just comes alive! Funky Pretty is one of my favorite Brian Wilson songs ever, I think it is greatly under appreciated. Glad some others feel this song deserves some due.

My thoughts exactly, Rab. I posted my comments on the video. There's a tavern down the road that features trios and a lot of single acts. I've actually requested a couple of the Boy's songs (on the back of a 20 dollar bill) and they were played and played well like this. So cool to hear material that isn't performed by every bar act every night.

Thatís fantastic! I wish I had something like that close to me. What songs did you request?
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This pianist deserves our attention! on: December 19, 2018, 02:42:12 AM
Thanks so much for posting this! Man when he hits those chorus sections (and the coda) that song just comes alive! Funky Pretty is one of my favorite Brian Wilson songs ever, I think it is greatly under appreciated. Glad some others feel this song deserves some due.
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 18, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Guitarfool, I've been reading the Rocky Book Thread on the PS Forum and just want to extend my thanks to you for being willing to share your knowledge (and the truth about certain events) to even the most remote parts of the fandom. It's pretty funny to see how certain posters there petulantly act on their own forum then have the gall to question why they were perma-banned on this forum...Like you say, it is all in black and white on this forum for everyone to read...shouldn't take a rocket scientist or even a bad lawyer to get that.

And many thanks again for being a tremendous part of this great community!
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Just Wasn't Made For These Times (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 15, 2018, 07:17:57 AM
Congratulations on doing a very good job, and thank you for teaching me a little something new.

Do you want to get adventurous?  I'll Bet He's Nice.

So weird! Right after I listened to this last night I immediately thought of and played 'I'll Bet He's Nice'. I second this request!

@godette502, great playing as always! I would totally buy an album of these covers.
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 13, 2018, 02:32:36 PM
Kokomo for Brian's last show LOL I would love to see that band cover 'Summer of Love' as a joke. That thought got me thinking about Brian's last shows...

My ideal vision for Brian's final tour:

Brian's Rock&Roll album is completed, original name of the album Pleasure Island is used for the final title. On it are covers of his favorite rock and roll songs (the songs that really spoke to him during his most creative times), also on it are some killer originals that he, Al, and Blondie wrote together on tour. Also, the album comes with a bonus EP of an 8 minute finished version of 'Can't Wait Too Long'. But onto the concerts:

The concerts would start with a crazy dark auditorium, and stage is completely dark. You hear Ding Dang faintly and people stop talking as the music gets louder and louder. Brian walks out on stage, walks to his piano and joins in on the song. 4 minutes of Ding Dang that just get more epic with each loop, the Moog is loud as hell, Blondie starts shredding on his guitar, Al joins in with the singing. With absolutely no break, the band dives right into 'God Please Let Us Go On This Way'.

So the final tour would consist of songs from Pleasure Island, a mass of Love You songs, Moog synth accompanies any classic Beach Boys tune. The concession stands sell beer but also steak and cake. Brian's favorite deli would go on the tour and cater for the band. Also, Brian would sit in his leather recliner during the songs he doesn't sing lead on.

It would be a party Rock! w00t! Drinking Buddies! Who gives a hoot if Brian's voice isn't perfect that night? He is up there having a blast because these are the songs he wants to perform for the masses.

Oh I hope such a tour will happen.
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 13, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
Ahhh this looks amazing! 'Friends' and 'Little Bird' (Chicago) were on the MiC set and they sounded really good, I can't wait to hear what other gems are in this set.
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 11, 2018, 07:18:02 PM
You, people, may be obliged to respect writers. I look at it differently. For instance, like book but don't respect writer. I dislike book & don't respect writer. I.e. it isn't necessary to me to respect the writer. I will say she/ he used good style, clever techniques etc. That's about it. We differ in this regard.

I'm not saying we need to respect him as a writer, just as a person (and even if we don't respect him at a core level, we can still just show some courtesy to him)...just like Reynaldo should respect and be courteous to every poster on this forum without stooping to sniping at people for this or that. I think some name calling was done toward Reynaldo on some previous posts and that just doesn't need to happen.
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 11, 2018, 07:04:12 PM
I don't see any point in being nasty to Ron.  He wrote a book with Rocky, they got it published, and we (as a group) generally are in agreement that we don't think it's a very good book, from what we've read. I respect Ron's right to write a book, he should respect our right to have a negative view of the book.  

The perfect summary of how I feel too. No need to be disrespectful to him, even if we disagree with him.
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: From Yahoo Entertainment...Mike discusses rift with Brian on: December 11, 2018, 07:01:33 PM
My point in highlighting him bringing up heavy drugs is that Mike continuously has to bring up the heavy drug use of the Wilson brothers in interviews when it literally has nothing to do with the question he is being asked.

This is why the good will I try to muster up toward Mike sputters out so fast. It's obvious he still blames drugs on everything going wrong, and he extends that even to Brian using drugs now that he specifically needs to deal with mental illness. He's conflated those two in the past and said that's the reason he and Brian don't get along, when it should be obvious that they just have conflicting personalities that would more than explain the feud without dragging their drug use (recreational AND medical!) into it.

Yeah, and I think any fan will acknowledge that drugs were a problem for the band...but it's not the ONLY answer to why there were issues. There was jealousy, betrayal, tears shed, hostility, creative differences, personality differences, anxiety problems, ego problems...some of this stemmed from drugs but some of it stemmed from many, many other places. Drugs just seem to be any easy way for Mike to say in not so many words "none of this was my fault, it was the drugs taken by other people and the people who took those drugs."

And you're so right: it's really sad that Mike's petulance about the drug issue extends to Brian's current prescription drug regimen. Brian is 76 years old, after a lifetime of schizophrenic episodes, depression, life threatening drug abuse, major obesity, anxiety, you name it, Brian is still able to chug along with touring, recording, helping write a book and helping with an upcoming documentary...and considering his history that is friggin amazing that he almost in his 80s and still able to do this. But if you ask Mike about Brian's current condition you'd think Brian was being propped up like Bernie Lomax in Weekend at Bernies ("Brian is controlled and still medicated, it's not the street drugs anymore but prescription drugs"). It's just pretty sad when you think about it.
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 11, 2018, 06:01:28 PM
Sorry, probably posted already, but who is playing drums on "Be Here In The Morning Darling"? Fantastic!

I love the 'Let's Go Away For A While' vibe of this track! And yeah, the drums are fantastic, thanks for the info C-Man!
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: From Yahoo Entertainment...Mike discusses rift with Brian on: December 11, 2018, 05:58:16 PM
Yahoo: "Where did the rumor come from that you didn't like Pet Sounds?"

Mike: "I think it came from the heavy drugs taken by some members of the band."

LOL I'm not even kidding this is basically word-for-word said in the interview.
What he actually says is "I think there was a them and us thing that arose through drugs" and that a schism arose in the group that wasn't there before...which is absolutely true and I think that is a huge factor in why Mike resisted some of the Smile material, which eventually morphed into "he hated Pet Sounds too" (with the help of unsubstantiated quotes like "Don't **** with the formula").  

I still think it's weird that both he and Al continue to deny ever taking heavy drugs when we have the original session for "Our Prayer" released on TSS.  Cool Guy

He says, "I didn't get into all the heavy drugs and stuff like that, and some others did." I guess I'm failing to see the connection between Pet Sounds and Brian's cocaine addiction...As marijuana and LSD are considered soft drugs, and marijuana was the primary drug of choice during the making of Pet Sounds.

My point in highlighting him bringing up heavy drugs is that Mike continuously has to bring up the heavy drug use of the Wilson brothers in interviews when it literally has nothing to do with the question he is being asked.
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 11, 2018, 03:56:15 PM
Thanks so much GF...and it wouldn't be even close to what it is without your hard work and all those of you who make it happen.

Agreed 100%. I think back to three or more years ago when Guitarfool was being harassed on every corner of this board and some people wanted him gone because he was trying to clean up this place. Yet this forum is now a haven of incredible information with pretty much zero drama. As JK said above, the recent Barney Kessel topic is a testament to the depth of knowledge that is ever present on this forum.

A major thanks to GF, Billy, and the countless others who make this place such a special and necessary part of the fandom. I've been a member for almost 10 years now, and I can't wait to see what the next 10 bring!
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 11, 2018, 03:47:58 PM
Rocky Reynaldo Pamplin? Wink

With all the Rs in the names of the two authors, it might as well be Talk Like a Pirate Day

Someone call Al Jardine, cause there's a Pirate's Tale to be had!

Keepin it clean with the Endless Wave machine!
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: From Yahoo Entertainment...Mike discusses rift with Brian on: December 11, 2018, 03:46:27 PM
Yahoo: "Where did the rumor come from that you didn't like Pet Sounds?"

Mike: "I think it came from the heavy drugs taken by some members of the band."

LOL I'm not even kidding this is basically word-for-word said in the interview.

I do find it amazing that a major publisher of online news acknowledges that there are different camps in the fanbase (Mike vs Brian fans). I wish someone would write a completely unbiased book that reviews the history of Brian and Mike: where the differences started, the contents of the lawsuits, how Mike didn't get credited for a lot of songs, how Mike got 1/3 credit on an entire song for 4 words...no opinions from the author, just straight up facts so anyone could get a really solid overview of why this feud started and an honest look of why these guys are still separated to this day.
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 10, 2018, 12:14:44 PM
Great set with a smile bonus track!

Yeah! And I hear there's a Live set coming out too? Can't wait!
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 10, 2018, 12:13:21 PM
Child is the father of the man! Grin

What is most striking about this song being on this release: It reminds me so much of the backing track for some Friends songs. I mean, I know part of CIFOTM is in Little Bird, but the SMiLE music style is ever present in these Friends tracks. With Friends Brian regains some of that child-like magic he had in SMiLE, it still seems like a smaller production comparatively but it regains some of that sunshine that is glaringly missing from Smiley Smile.

So when I hear CIFOTM at the end of this set, it doesn't stick out much at all, it kinda fits right in there.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 10, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
Rab is back! 

Howdy SB! The Friends Copyright release has me grinning from ear to ear. What a great time to be a fan!
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 10, 2018, 11:54:49 AM
Rocky said he was going to write a book, and he did. I can imagine it's a challenging task, so good for him for getting it done.

If I go to a restaurant and I get sick from the food, no one would say "well, good for the chef for at least cooking your meal, even if the meat was bad."

I kind of see what you're saying, and it has to be an incredible undertaking and I tip my hat to most authors who sit down and type out hundreds of pages, edit it, and work hard to get it published. But part of writing a non-fiction book is getting the facts right. I do want to look at the bright side of things, but I also see the travesty of publishing a book that is rife with wrong information. I agree with you that the book will have a hard time standing up because of these historical inaccuracies. It is weird to me that a book whose sole audience (I think) is hardcore Beach Boys fans who know the history backwards and forwards.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 08, 2018, 12:06:50 PM

It's just so blatantly obvious that Rocky's just another clown (quite similar to the luHvster) trying to make cashola on Brian's coattails and got the blessings of Mike Love if he made Mike look good in the book. In fact, several passages in the post sounds like Mike wrote them himself. How very sickening. It's just the unpleasant icing on the stale cake as to why I will not waste time reading this book that only succeeds in trying to rewrite history.

Right? Those parts about Brian apparently doing nothing but laying in bed for years seem to be lifted straight from Mike's laughably pathetic 2005 lawsuit against Brian.
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surf's Up (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 08, 2018, 04:09:47 AM
Absolutely beautiful! The whole thing was great, but I especially loved the coda, my favorite part of the original song (Brianís piano noodling is my favorite part of that song, so it was great to hear it in your version).

Itís not my favorite beach boys song, but I think ďAll I Wanna DoĒ from Sunflower would sound pretty incredible in this style. Will you be sticking with solely two guitar arrangements for your covers, or will you be adding another guitar if it suits the song?
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin's THE BEACH BOYS' ENDLESS WAVE completed and published on: December 08, 2018, 04:01:39 AM
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In 1967, Mikeís discomfort with Brianís new musical direction caused things to get more than a little heated. As portrayed in the film Love and Mercy, they had an ugly scene, and it brought things to a head. Brian had reached his breaking point; his mental and physical reserves were stretched so thin, he was done.

At that point, Brian effectively quit the band and withdrew into a cocoon of drugs and disenchantment. He vowed he would never write songs again for the Beach Boys, and he opted to slip into oblivion. He just couldnít take it anymore. He checked out. Why, he asked himself, should he continue shouldering the awesome responsibility that comes with writing the songs, doing the arrangements, teaching the others their parts, both vocally and instrumentally, slaving away in the studio, all the while dealing with a changing audience that was seemingly turning on him and his music?

ďIn 1967...At that point, Brian effectively quit the band...he opted to slip into oblivion...He checked out.Ē Brian had been ďin bed for years...not writing music.Ē

Huh So his OBVIOUS work on Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surfís Up, Holland, Carl and the Passions, etc isnít Brian? I canít believe people are still trying to pass on this myth...a myth that has been so easily disproven countless times now. Brian was still doing arrangements, he was still teaching his bandmates harmony parts to his songs. Yeesh, the 1968 Set which came out yesterday is just continued evidence that Brian was still very present on post SMiLE albums. Wild Honey and Friends are some of Brianís most cohesively sounding albums ever (not to mention on Smiley SMiLE, Friends, and Wild Honey he shares the songwriting credits on almost every song (all but four songs heís not credited and one of those being a cover song)!

No doubt Brian had his issues during this time, and no doubt he did withdraw at times, and his presence on post SMiLE albums wanes with each release after Friends. Yet he is vividly present on nearly every Beach Boys album ever released. People love to perpetuate this myth that Brian stayed in bed for years not doing anything...when the reality of what actually happened is FAR more interesting than this bed myth could ever be.
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Been Way Too Long on: December 07, 2018, 05:37:16 PM
Itís like they said with the SMiLE sessions, ďroll your own.Ē This version has all the goodies for us to piece together our own. I canít wait to see what some fans come up with!

When I get the time Iím going to write more about this amazing. This far, jaw droppingly awesome.
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