What's Right-Wing about Willie Nelson?  Lorrie Morgan?  Anybody? 

Second, why would you comment politically about a Beach Boys album?  Do you not see anything outside of your political viewpoint?  Who gives a merda if they're right wing or left wing?  The album was about Beach Boy music. 

Some people. 

Unfortunately some people actually believe that political parties will lead us towards a better tomorrow...and thus they will try to infuse their beliefs into everyday conversations to raise awareness about how great "their side" is or how evil the "other side" is. I subscribe to the political belief that 5 guys in candy-striped shirts singing 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' have made more people happy than any Communist/Capitalist political leader ever has.

This new record will never be played - it's just for looks, man, not for drags. Will be stashed in the ol' vinyl collectione......

You are everything that is wrong with people who buy vinyl.

I have to agree.

I own some pretty valuable vinyl....and it ALL gets played, albeit with care.

To do otherwise would be as bad as the people who buy vintage racing cars and keep them in hermetically sealed garages, never to be driven.

I might buy the 78's if I can get hold of them...I will, by lucky chance, be in the USA on the prescribed date. And I have a choice of machines to play them on....however being vinyl rather than shellac I do feel the wind-up grammophone is out of the question and the Garrard might be a better bet.

A good friend of mine owns a guitar signed by members of the Allman Brothers Band. He also owns a football helmet signed by the majority of the New York Jets football team. He uses neither as they were originally intended to be used. He uses them for display. I have another friend who hangs tie-dyed sheets from his wall....never to be used to keep him warm in the winter.

It's all relative. The guy who will never take his race car out for a spin is probably the happiest man on the planet...he probably enjoys being a mechanic far more than being a driver....and he owns the car. If his endorphins go crazy at the site of a wrench and not a gas pedal, who am I to judge him?

And thus, if I want to frame this 78 behind glass on my wall, that's my prerogative. Not anyone else's.

Compared to many of you, I just became a Beach Boys fan a heartbeat ago. It may be a stupid waste of money, but to me the 78 will serve as a collectable memento to remind me of my early years of being a Beach Boys fan.

That, and it's a gimmick for the official release of the Beach Boys SMiLE....it will look good framed on my wall.

Anyone care to take an educated guess at what the price will be for the 78?

Hopefully it'll reflect the period styling of the sleeve. So I reckon £0 1s 6d. (That's old UK money.)

Whoa there!  He said "educated"; what are you doing chiming in?   

Aaaargh... you slammed me just to get post Number 800 !!!!!   

To be fair, I only asked the initial question to get post #798 - my lucky number 

'Don't Worry Baby'

Greatest falsetto in history. Especially the version from Summer Love Songs.

Anyone care to take an educated guess at what the price will be for the 78?

Frankie Valli.

"I know there's an answer, I know now but I had to find it by myself" - one of my favorite vocals on Pet Sounds.

I've got a good feeling that we will know alot more about the summer release of Smile by the end of April

Meh.  Maybe it's just me, but I'll save my enthusiasm until Capitol announces its plans (if any) they have for the Beach Boys.  I tend to lean more heavily on an official announcement over a "good feeling".  I've been burned one too many times getting excited over rumors and speculation. 

The way I see it: Al Jardine of The Beach Boys tells a reporter that a Beach Boys version of SMiLE will be out this summer. There are also rumors that Alan Boyd and Mark Linett are "in a California studio assembling the project." And now Capitol is releasing a Good Vibrations/Heroes and Villains 78 - complete with SMiLE font for the cover.

A little more than coincidence in my book!

Zooropa - U2

I can't really explain why I like this album so much...probably because I grew up listening to it constantly during the mid-90s. I remember listening to it a lot during the 9/11 days. Jesus, was that really 10 years ago? Time flies.

IMO it was U2's last album where they weren't trying to make hits...they were just making music.

And as much as I like their music, it seems to me that Coldplay based most of their songs off of 'The First Time' and 'Dirty Day'.

'The Wanderer' is a great one too - Cash really paints a fantastic picture with that voice.

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I combined Little Pad and Tones. Tones sounds pretty low and muddy as it was pitch-adjusted, but you can hear it here:

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Jeesh, I'd hate to see what the Beach Boys Youtube thread looks like now... 

[Holy merda]

What I'd consider Baroque Pop from that list:

Trombone Dixie
Wake the World
Walk On By
Til' I Die (Desper Mix)
Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
Look/Song for Children
In the Back of My Mind
Let Him Run Wild
She Says that She Needs Me
Pet Sounds
Love Remember Me
Roll Plymouth Rock
Wonderful (Smile)
On a Holiday
At My Window
Time to get Alone
Be Still

Then again, I wouldn't classify the song 'Wonderful' under "pop" - it is more like spiritual/classical music.

  Does anyone know if Brian intended the song 'Wonderful' to be connected with 'Surf's Up' by the lyrics "I heard the word, Wonderful thing, A Children's song"? Not connected as is Brian splicing the tapes together in the studio, but connected as in having similar/connected meanings.

I Got Plenty O nuttin (specifically BW's version) - I just realized the striking similarities between this song and 'Ol Man River.

Holy Man - For me this goes in the "Holy merda this is the greatest instrumental I've ever heard" genre.

YES! that is a fantastic list!
I think i can see how they're baroque pop songs, the instrumentation, let alone what instruments are involved.
The style of those songs as well.

Holy Man, when that synth came in the first time I heard it, I thought, damn, this kills 1/4 of the Beach Boys catalog.

Indeed, besides In The Back Of My Mind, Holy Man is my favorite backing track out of any Beach Boys related recordings.

Indeed. I hope one of the record shops around my residence has them!

I wonder what the pricing will be like - considering they are 'limited editions'

[Holy sh*t]

What I'd consider Baroque Pop from that list:

Trombone Dixie
Wake the World
Walk On By
Til' I Die (Desper Mix)
Mrs. O'Leary's Cow
Look/Song for Children
In the Back of My Mind
Let Him Run Wild
She Says that She Needs Me
Pet Sounds
Love Remember Me
Roll Plymouth Rock
Wonderful (Smile)
On a Holiday
At My Window
Time to get Alone
Be Still

Then again, I wouldn't classify the song 'Wonderful' under "pop" - it is more like spiritual/classical music.

  Does anyone know if Brian intended the song 'Wonderful' to be connected with 'Surf's Up' by the lyrics "I heard the word, Wonderful thing, A Children's song"? Not connected as is Brian splicing the tapes together in the studio, but connected as in having similar/connected meanings.

I Got Plenty O nuttin (specifically BW's version) - I just realized the striking similarities between this song and 'Ol Man River.

Holy Man - For me this goes in the "Holy sh*t this is the greatest instrumental I've ever heard" genre.

[buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda.

People actually believe that? Jeesh.

http://brianwilson.com/community/index.html

Be amazed. Be disgusted. Be amused.

  Oh God, Every time I visit that nightmare of a message board I nearly have a mental breakdown trying to navigate to a post - then I read some of the posts.... 
 
Speaking of which....I take it donations are still needed for this board? I'd hate to see this one go under - we'd all have to migrate to Brian's board. 

As long as we are asking questions about ESQ - Has there been (or will there be) an issue that deals with Brian's exotica influence on Pet Sounds?

AGD said that The Dumb Angel Gazette #4 had this topic covered - but since there is a lack of Dumb Angel Gazette #4 issues circulating the planet would it be possible for someone to write about this topic in ESQ?

Also, if I order a subscription of ESQ now will I get the Sunflower issue? Or will I have to pay the $10 for the individual issue + the $30 for subscribing?

[buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda]

Right when you first hear the drills on Workshop, it's very obvious. It just can't be refuted, not from anyone who claims to possess a pair of ears and an even rudimentary knowledge of Smile recordings, or, dare I say, even Do It Again. People who think otherwise are kidding themselves and/or buy into the "Brian FULLY CONTROLS his career" bullmerda.

People actually believe that? Jeesh.

I agree with Cam that Brian doesn't really know what a 67 Smile would have been like, so for him to try and assemble or finish a "Beach Boys Smile" would just raise more questions than it answers.  However Carl's list represents what Carl remembered about Brian's intentions five years after the recording sessions, as well as his attempt to use the material he and Desper uncovered in their tape search while not repeating everything that had been released.  That gives it some authenticity.

Do we know Carl's list? I don't remember seeing it

Child Is Father To The Man
Surf's Up
You Are My Sunshine/The Old Master Painter
Barnyard
Cabin Essence (incorporating Who Ran The Iron Horse)
I Love To Say Da Da (incorporating Cool, Cool Water)
Vega-Tables
Wind Chimes
Wonderful
'the Fire suite'
Heroes And Villains (12-minute version)

From AGD's Bellagio

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/unreleased.html

Sail Away - Randy Newman

I just bought this album a few weeks ago - incredibly beautiful. I was a little put off by the satire in the title song, but other than that, I find the album to be wonderful.

Old Man is one of the saddest/most beautiful songs I have ever heard.

Songs not on my workout playlist
1) Busy doin' nothing
2) I went to sleep
3) Caroline no
4) Windchimes (All three versions)
5) Love is a woman
6) Blue Christmas
7) I'm so young
Can't think of any more of the top of my head.
So any more? 

I have to listen to Busy Doin' Nothin' to find my way back to my house when I jog.....

I'd also add Mt. Vernon Fairway Theme to that list!

 

[BWPS]

I added another line while you replied to me AGD. Your point about a disc for the public is going to need a track listing of some kind. 'The public' are going to get confused. All I'm saying is using the BWPS listing is an option that could acknowlege the only 'official' release of SMiLE.

We nuts can enjoy the other 3-4 disc's anyway we want.

I see your point, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.

To add to the confusion: I think it is important to remember that the tracks will have different names as apposed to BWPS - Do You Dig Worms?, Holidays, Love To Say Da Da, Look!, Mrs O Leary's Fire, - and there is no way that the people putting this set together are going to deviate from the 66/67 names. My point is that no matter what, this album will be pure confusion to your average joe (hell, it is confusing to us and most of us probably own nearly every book on the subject!). They should just read the liner notes to clear up some of the confusion.

In my humble opinion, many people who see this album in Barnes and Noble will have no recollection of Brian's SMiLE album and they will most likely think that 'SMiLE' is just another surfing "hits" compilation. Little will they know they will be listening to a teenage symphony to God when they play it!

I've been listening to your 'Isn't It Nice To Be Loved' album a bit lately. I really like the melodies in it - My favorites from it: Solving Problems For You, Change Is Hard, Outside In The Sun is such a fun melody! She Tells Me No, Making it Tough, thirteen - friggin' love that song. It really is a great album.

I also love that the songs are really short in length...but each packs a good sized punch.

Have any plans for a future album?
______

Anywho, on to my futile musical ventures:

I'm trying with all my might to stay away from the 4 chord structure. I've also been finding jazz chords to substitute regular chords in my music.

For my latest project I've been listening to A LOT of Smile songs for inspiration. I just wrote one in the spirit of 'Wonderful' - even including plucking violin strings.

Also been listening to some Gershwin for melody inspiration. I think it was a recent Brian Wilson quote where he said he was disappointed where music had gone these days - he hoped that more artists would be experimenting with better melodies - and they are not. I totally agree with him. Am to F to C to G (which I have used immensely) is the most overused chord progression ever in history.

I hope to have some of my most recent music up sometime soon to share with you all.

I've said it many times before, and I'll say it again: I wish they would release this on DVD. It is too good of a documentary...one of my absolute favourites.

Just how could this project pan out?

BWPS was presented as Brian finishes SMiLE after 37 years so to be credible any 'Beach Boys Fragments' release should surely follow the same order or it would undermine what Brian did in 2004. Other parts could form some kind of 'bonus' tracks I guess.

Having said that, just how would this thing be presented? A stand-alone album to me seems unlikely. A re-release of BWPS with a 'Fragments' bonus disk? A SMiLE book/DVD/Fragments package? Fifty Year GHs album with bonus SMiLE fragments disk?

I think it is going to happen but in what form would Capitol get a return and at the same time not undermine what Brian did with his BWPS?

If indeed 'fragments' is a working/finished title I don't see how it could undermine what Brian did in 2004. As the name 'Fragments' suggests, this will be a compilation of 66/67 SMiLE material. The name has a lot to do with how this work will be perceived....and fragments is a good way of saying "We don't have a running order as was intended in 66/67. So here is a compilation."

I don't think it will be a stand-alone album. As the title suggests, it will consist of all the fragments Brian recorded for this work. And I think the track line-up will be decided chronologically by the session dates - just as with the session CDs from the Pet Sounds Sessions. We'll have the 'Highlights From Tracking Date' and then the finished work. We'll have a bonus disc of alternate versions, Smog rants, and humor tapes.

Maybe the first disc will stand alone - being the 12 tracks from the handwritten note to Capitol...all in the order of than note.

Oh yeah, and each track will sound as good as those on the Pet Sounds Sessions set. Hopefully.