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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 26, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
Thanks for bumping! Christmas festivities kept me away from lurking/posting much.

I never really thought about it before, but in my mind I can hear Carl singing this with his Sunflower era voice and it would’ve been incredible. That being said, Mike brings such a “different” vibe to The Beach Boys style with this song (on top of the instrumental vibe being way different). I think this is one of the few songs where Mike sings really tenderly and melodiously.

Would this song have been a hit had it been released as a single? This brings me back to the interview with Fred Vail regarding the Sunflower era. He tried to get ‘Add Some Music’ in a station rotation and I think the DJ said “Fred, I can’t play that.” “Why not?” And the DJ gave him some response that either that the station didn’t want them playing The Beach Boys or he just refused all because the band just wasn’t popular anymore. I think the DJ came to this decision without even listening to the single - I could be wrong about that last part. The interview is on YouTube, I can’t listen to it at the moment though.

So had this been a potential killer hit it may not even had been able to get any air time.

One thing that has always bothered me about this song is the rather anti-climactic bridge before the last chorus. Most Beach Boys songs of this caliber have a really powerful vocal or instrumental section during the bridge. The one for AIWD seems to have some harmonies that don’t even fit together (to my ears) and it kinda jars me out of the hypnotizing trance the rest of the song puts me in.

Edit: wanted to add that despite my thoughts on the bridge I think this is one of the coolest Beach Boys songs of that era. And it is a testament to how diverse The Beach Boys could be while still making work that was miles ahead and above everyone else - even if their efforts went widely unheard.

Great topic (and points to consider) and I hope others contribute!
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definite Smiley Smile Message Board's Song Ranking - Ranking Process on: December 24, 2018, 11:53:32 AM
1. At My Window
2. Cabin Essence
3. Sloop John B
4. Help Me Rhonda
5. Wind Chimes (Smiley Smile)
6. You Still Believe In Me
7. Susie Cincinnati
8. Good To My Baby
9. I Wanna Pick You Up
10. Surfin' USA

Susie Cincinnati is so underrated. Glad to see that it made at least one list!

I'm gonna think about my top 10 for a while before posting. Too many great songs to choose from!
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 24, 2018, 11:25:15 AM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

I came here to see if anyone had posted this. What a moment.
Something like this really makes me realize and remember why Brian Wilson is so special. I think I've said this before, but I would love more than anything to have an entire album of just Brian, with only his voice and piano. Hell, it doesn't even need to be recorded professionally.

I know quite a few people here have mentioned how they would love Rick Rubin to produce a BW album...give it that same feel as his Johnny Cash work. I don't think this is something Brian would even be willing to try and do, and I don't think it would work even if it did happen. But the idea of Brian with minimal but tasteful production is nice to think about. The IJWMFTTs soundtrack is probably the closest we'll get to something like that, I just wish we had a newer version now that Brian's vocals are sounding much better than that era.
Think about this for a moment; GIOMH is Brian half assing his way through a pretty lousy album. But Brian can still half ass it through something like his "home grown" version of "Heaven" and have the results be breathtaking. He just needs to be doing material that he wants and likes to sing.

This is very true. You can tell when Brian is really into something or not.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 24, 2018, 10:19:57 AM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

I came here to see if anyone had posted this. What a moment.
Something like this really makes me realize and remember why Brian Wilson is so special. I think I've said this before, but I would love more than anything to have an entire album of just Brian, with only his voice and piano. Hell, it doesn't even need to be recorded professionally.

I know quite a few people here have mentioned how they would love Rick Rubin to produce a BW album...give it that same feel as his Johnny Cash work. I don't think this is something Brian would even be willing to try and do, and I don't think it would work even if it did happen. But the idea of Brian with minimal but tasteful production is nice to think about. The IJWMFTTs soundtrack is probably the closest we'll get to something like that, I just wish we had a newer version now that Brian's vocals are sounding much better than that era.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Little Saint Nick (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 23, 2018, 06:51:21 PM
These covers make me want to get my YouTube Premium subscription back so I can listen to these like an album from my phone. Can’t wait for Surfer Girl!
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:50:17 PM
Alright, so it appears that the owner of PSF is not willing to reopen the forum, so we're now migrating to a new forum called Endless Harmony.  It's going to be a continuation of PSF and I've been made a mod.  I'm making this post here because PSF was abruptly shut down and a lot of the members there are not going to know about PSF or why it's not being reopened.  Here is the link for those of you interested: http://endlessharmony.boards.net/

Nice, the forum has been up for less than a few hours and Cam is already taking shots at Guitarfool. The name "Endless Harmony" became ironic in record time.

Sigh. I know but to hell with that. Let them do their own thing. Not going to have this all start over again.   I sincerely meant what I said earlier and I know Craig does as well.  At the end of the day it really is all about the music and quite frankly it should stay that way. I would ask that nobody takes any potshots in return, but also not start promoting it over here (the initial post from ck is fine) . I also ask that none of us register over there to start sh*t or promote this board over there.  This fight is done.

Absolutely right, Billy. Apologies for the above post, and from here on the drama is over from my end.

Happy Holidays/Christmas to everyone here!
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:30:24 PM
Alright, so it appears that the owner of PSF is not willing to reopen the forum, so we're now migrating to a new forum called Endless Harmony.  It's going to be a continuation of PSF and I've been made a mod.  I'm making this post here because PSF was abruptly shut down and a lot of the members there are not going to know about PSF or why it's not being reopened.  Here is the link for those of you interested: http://endlessharmony.boards.net/

Nice, the forum has been up for less than a few hours and Cam is already taking shots at Guitarfool. The name "Endless Harmony" became ironic in record time.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Watamushi stepped down as Admin on: December 23, 2018, 05:04:45 PM
Watamushi stepped down from his admin position on the PS Forum I just want to apologize for any hurtful words I said about Watamushi and Dick Rising’s moderation decisions. Though I still don’t agree with how things were handled there, I also didn’t need to say some things I said.

Any frustration I have regarding this drama is years of irritation about how things were handled from day one of that forum’s existence. That doesn’t excuse what I said about Watamushi and D Rising, but it at least explains the emotions behind what and why I said those things.

The biggest irony is my annoyance of how certain posters over on the PS forum act(ed) when I myself stooped to acting the same way because of this situation.

Watamushi has been such a positive part of this fandom since he arrived at both forums. If he doesn’t retake his admin position I hope he will at least continue to post and share his positivity about this music. I’m sorry again to both moderators, it’s not an easy job and my words certainly didn’t help.
I've kept quiet until now, in the fear of derailing this thread with arguments, but now I'm no longer a staff there and I'd like to speak up.

First, I'm really relieved to hear that from you. I have been disturbed and devastated by the entire situation in the last few days (please note that it's not only about this thread), and I considered getting away from both of the forums at some point. Thank you so much for your apology.

I have to apologize myself, too, I'm afraid. Although we had to draw a line in somewhere and make a decision, the way I spoke about guitarfool over there was a tad too blunt and thoughtless, and I'm pretty sure that didn't help when guitarfool spoke up about it here.

Also, when a bunch of less engaged posters here spoke up against guitarfool, some of them came off somewhat aggressive toward him. When I saw them posted, I feared it would result in argument and I asked some of them via personal messages "not to take it too far", but some eventually took it a tad too far. I'm sorry about that.

That being said, in defence of these members, they are definitely not sock puppets of someone else who wants to hide their identity. They are all legitimate and verifiable members on here, PSF or Beach Boys Discord. I can assure it, and I believe so can Dick Rising.

Again, thanks for your words, as well as your appreciation on what I've been doing in music discussion. I'll see if I still feel comfortable being around here and there, and if I indeed do, I will continue to post, as long as my capacity allows. I hope I do.

You have absolutely nothing to apologize for, Watamushi. I feel terrible for the way I stated some things directed at you and D Rising, and I should have recognized how hurtful that was to both you and him at the time I wrote those posts.

Don Malcom put it perfectly above: "Anyone who mods any BB group has an essentially thankless task. Our guys make the right decision upwards of 95% of the time, and the decisions they made which led to the creation of PS(F) were on the money." That part in bold is why there is so much angst: People like Guitarfool and myself saw a lot of terrible things happen here, and our ongoing negative emotions come from seeing those same people who did those terrible things here get what look like free passes there (this mostly has to do with the decision to allow them on that forum in the first place when the board was created, and many decisions made after that).

This doesn't justify my comments toward you and D Rising, but I hope this helps people understand why some here get so heated about this stuff. Anyways, I've said my piece. I truly hope you stay on any Beach Boys forums you're apart of, the positivity you bring to the community is much needed.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:42:13 AM
Jay, not sure if you’re being facetious, but when you go to the PSF site it says “due to a lack of mods the forum will be remain inactive until further notice.” So it definitely had to do with this.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 23, 2018, 05:10:25 AM
Whether or not I had any effect on his decision, his resignation made me realize how my words could (and possibly did) impact the actions/feelings of another (especially someone, as AGD put it, thrust head first into a ridiculous situation). If Watamushi said it was his own fault (I don't remember that part) then so be it, but I can still recognize that I didn't need to say a few things that I did.
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Watamushi stepped down as Admin on: December 23, 2018, 04:32:51 AM
Watamushi stepped down from his admin position on the PS Forum I just want to apologize for any hurtful words I said about Watamushi and Dick Rising’s moderation decisions. Though I still don’t agree with how things were handled there, I also didn’t need to say some things I said.

Any frustration I have regarding this drama is years of irritation about how things were handled from day one of that forum’s existence. That doesn’t excuse what I said about Watamushi and D Rising, but it at least explains the emotions behind what and why I said those things.

The biggest irony is my annoyance of how certain posters over on the PS forum act(ed) when I myself stooped to acting the same way because of this situation.

Watamushi has been such a positive part of this fandom since he arrived at both forums. If he doesn’t retake his admin position I hope he will at least continue to post and share his positivity about this music. I’m sorry again to both moderators, it’s not an easy job and my words certainly didn’t help.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: December 22, 2018, 02:35:06 PM
This makes my heart smile.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrtKBHKngbD/

I know it's probably nothing but maybe a possible contender for the Rock 'n Roll album?

Just saw this on Facebook! What a great moment.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 22, 2018, 02:03:55 PM
Where was the harrasment? Honest question because I am trying to get up to speed. Just made it home and reading the last few pages is giving me a hell of a headache
“Yes, again I stand by what I said about Watamushi and his activity here, but he was completely full of sh*t in regards to my wanting to come there strictly to cause problems, and my confrontational posts.”
“Watamushi, if that's the kind of crap you'll use to moderate over there, I hope the reasons why you're giving Filledeplage and Manning free passes are worth it. Because your credibility just went down considerably.”
“Wondering who the mods think she is, unless there is another reason why they never take any action if she's involved or why it feels she can break any rules she chooses and gets a free pass.”
“Yes, of course my posts were pulled out of context and distorted to fit what Watamushi and Dick/Kane needed it to fit. That's how they justified their bullshit actions and bullshit in general, but it obviously isn't true as even observers reading through it are noticing.

So Watamushi and Dick, in your new capacity as the two mods running the place, are you happy that your first action is based on bullshit that outside observers are noticing and calling out as bullshit? Not to mention your complete avoidance of those like Filledeplage and Manning who publicly took a sh*t on your orders and posts and did what they wanted, and got away with it.”
“They could also answer why Watamushi posted comments of mine to justify a ban, comments taken out of context  that someone who isn't even a member there read, analyzed the context perfectly,  and called out as the bullshit it is? ”

“What do you call ignoring certain members' breaking of the board rules and constant shitting on your actions as a mod while calling out and scapegoating others if not playing favorites? For f**k's sake, it's not like no one is noticing this hypocrisy”

“So guys, Dick and Watmushi, if you're going to publicly try to pin this on me and assign things to me that did not happen, your credibility exists somewhere on the level of Rocky Pamplin, the topic of the thread where all this went down. Enjoy that with the 10 or so posters who get coddled and given free reign to disrespect you as moderators regularly.”


“When it reaches a point where the most recent moderators over there have to invent reasons to post why someone was banned, and make sh*t up based on their needs versus what actually played out (and can be readily seen in public posts) it's all but a lost cause.”

“Nice job guys, or guy in this case since it seems Watamushi was alone in putting the ban on Filledeplage and perhaps Dick found the whole thing too "draining" and didn't agree with banning a favored member.”

“Clusterfuck of the highest order.“

“Dick/Kane and Watamushi were either afraid of upsetting certain favored posters there, or they had marching orders to follow from other sources, or they're simply not good at moderating a board that averages between 20-30 readers and hasn't grown beyond that in over two years. That may say it all.

If they're going to run that place based on lies and allowing lies to stand (and liars to do whatever the f*** they want...), they'll have no credibility. They're on the level of Stan and Rocky, or even more pathetic, on the level of original admin Dirk/drBeachBoy who ran the board from Doe's back pocket until he flipped out on the mods he chose as the original admin and got banned from his own board for not following the rules.”


This wasn’t even all of it.

Ok I understand where you’re coming from, but also understand that he was responding to actions taken in an official capacity as mods that he can’t respond to over there due to his ban

My two cents: there's a PM function and both are users over here. There's no need to repeatedly slander them in public for just trying to make what they felt was the correct decision. Dick's told me he feels the situation could've been handled better, because others in the wrong also should've been dealt with at the same time, but I think it was the right call in the long term considering the nauseating history of bickering (between GF and...everyone else? doesn't that suggest something?) and exactly what's currently happening here on this thread. This is an incredibly weak and disappointing position to see the other mods take, and that's coming from someone who joined both forums at around the same time long after the original schism happened. And I have been made aware (in detail) of exactly how ugly it got. Doesn't change my opinion at all. I don't get involved in the forum squabbles, and I post at both places, but the mess of this thread and downright nastiness prompted me to jump in and say something for the first time.

And no, Dick Rising is not secretly The Lovester for anyone believing that for some reason.

Yes, I already stated in the very post that I suggested DR was possibly the Lovester that I was wrong about that. And I didn't say he was "secretly" the loverster, I thought he had changed his name from Kane to that at some point, apologies for the confusion and no offense was meant towards DR. But my point definitely still stands toward him and the other mod there.

Second point, Dick Rising saying that Filledeplague needing to be banned the same time as the other two is completely beside the point. People were goading Guitarfool on from DAY ONE that he was there. Why weren't they banned then for EXACTLY what they were banned for a few days ago? It's the same charge, but yet it took the mods months to do anything about it. And by that point people had lobbed countless insults and attacks at Craig on that forum. It's just a complete breakdown of any consistent modding if you ask me.
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As for the issue of the boxset: someone's name being on the credits shouldn't stop us from supporting such a great set. But again, there's a person on those credits that tried to make me look like a liar when I was not one. Who made some crass gossip comments regarding Brian and Melinda's adopted children. Who mocked a child of a fellow Beach Boys fan/writer. If people are cool with this behavior then I'm kinda at a loss for how much disgusting crap people are willing to look past. So though this person's name is on some credits, I still support the set, but NO ONE should be surprised at any backlash when such a person is on the credits. Seriously, those that put together these boxes may want to do some background on the people that "help" with these releases.

And Wirestone, you bring years and years of wonderful knowledge and insight to this forum, even after writing all the above perhaps it is best this thread be deep-sixed and we move on from the issue. Hope all is well on your end.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 22, 2018, 04:13:06 AM
If I didn’t know any better, I could swear that when Craig initially joined PSF that people banned from here made a conscious decision to bait and troll him, breaking that board’s own rules.

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/2388/hello-500th-member-join

But what do I know?

Thanks for posting this. Craig is permanently banned and those who constantly fired insults and grudges his way from day one get slaps on the wrist. For a forum that prides itself on supposedly not tolerating negative behavior, the evidence of that is severely lacking.
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 22, 2018, 03:45:59 AM
Yeah, but nothing's been done. Just like in the past. Thanks to spineless or incompetent moderators on PS Forum who openly lied and distorted to suit the needs of that place, this board is dragged through the mud, lies are allowed to stand, and it's swept under the carpet? No apologies, no comments about fixing things moving forward, taking future action to avoid this bullshit again...nothing.

Doesn't fly where I'm concerned. Sorry. If people are still posting lies and they're being believed, we just drop it and sing Kum-Bye-A together like nothing happened? Keep turning the other cheek and get cold-cocked until we have a jaw broken in multiple places? Nope. Not happenin'.

As far as the new sets of music, yeah they're great, terrific listening - Kudos especially to Mark and Alan. But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

GF - I haven't commented much about this part of the thread, since I've never visited PS forum, nor will I. I don't have the stomach to deal with any of those people anymore.  What I can say is I truly appreciate your insistence on correcting lies wherever you see them. That's really admirable. Selfishly, some of the lies were probably more than once, about me, so that's appreciated too. So, thanks again.

I second this. While I don't think this topic should be dwelled upon constantly (edit: not saying that anyone is dwelling on it constantly, didn't mean to imply this), I also think that the events of the past should not be forgotten. Craig went to the PS Forum and acted like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever. He comes out the bigger person in all of this. He has put up with a lot of nonsense for years and yet he is still here helping run a very successful forum about our favorite band. It really is commendable. And to the children lurking from the PS Forum: this isn't ass-kissing, just sharing some courtesy to a guy who has put up with too much of your bullshit for the past few years.
You're absolutely right rab, if by acting "like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever," you meant going over there for seemingly the sole purpose of stirring the pot and only using his account to constantly argue with people he knows do not like him, and by "comes out the bigger person in all of this," you meant deciding to attack two posters by name on another board and creating an environment where they are seemingly not welcomed (which, by my understanding, is against the rules). If that's what you meant by those two statements, then you're 100% right!

I’m assuming you’re Dick Rising from the PS Forum? Apologies if I’m wrong about that. A mod or admin there made it impossible for guests to view the posting history of members there for some reason. So if what you say is even true then it is very hard to find the proof of this. Secondly, the only two cited examples for Guitarfool’s ban were Guitarfool defending himself from false and off-topic accusations started by people who are now temporarily banned for aiming the off-topic accusations and mean-spirited posts at Craig in the first place (which a mod there admits was the cause of all the drama in that thread). Thirdly, I lurked there and saw plenty of Craig’s posts that were very informative and non-disruptive. The times he was “disruptive” were when he was defending himself against people bringing up grudges against him (which the mods there admit was a problem).

You guys pride yourselves on how the PS Forum isn’t a place for negativity. Yet your very own badge “Super Moderator” is a jab straight at Guitarfool because of his status on the Brian Wilson forum...The first few moderators on the PS forum were mocking Guitarfool’s title and adopted it as their own as a joke back when the forum was starting. So when you guys try to take the moral high ground it doesn’t really come across as sincere for very obvious reasons.

More to that point, when you yourself have a jab aimed at Guitarfool stickied on every post you make and you’re not even aware of that, it makes me wonder how aware of other things relating to the problems of the forum you are. I don’t say that to offend, I just mean that this problem is complex enough to where what is obvious to others is hidden from some people who are relatively new to these problems.

Edit: just realized you’re not Dick Rising from the PS Forum. But my point still stands to DR and Watamushi, and frankly to anyone who thinks that the PS Forum is some mecca of morality.
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Alan, I want to thank you for your decades of phenomenal and hard work. This soul has gotten so much joy and happiness listening to the last 20+ years of incredible releases. In defense of Guitarfool, I want to say that when someone threatens one’s family, when they try to find the general location of a poster here, when they spread lies about family of the person whose music you yourself work on, they cross a line. And I will admit, if I didn’t know better Guitarfool made it sound like he was pirating the music...but in this day and age, it is somewhat clear that you can listen to just about anything on YouTube for “free”. While he himself is not paying for it, he is still making this release money because YouTube and Spotify still send money to the record company each time a song from this release is played. Thanks again for all your hard and incredible work.
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Little Saint Nick (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 21, 2018, 05:41:34 PM
What a great Christmas surprise Smiley absolutely wonderful. Thanks much for making these. Every time I see that "arranged for 2 guitars" in the thread title on the homepage I get excited to listen to whatever new track you've covered.
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 01:00:04 PM
Yeah, but nothing's been done. Just like in the past. Thanks to spineless or incompetent moderators on PS Forum who openly lied and distorted to suit the needs of that place, this board is dragged through the mud, lies are allowed to stand, and it's swept under the carpet? No apologies, no comments about fixing things moving forward, taking future action to avoid this bullshit again...nothing.

Doesn't fly where I'm concerned. Sorry. If people are still posting lies and they're being believed, we just drop it and sing Kum-Bye-A together like nothing happened? Keep turning the other cheek and get cold-cocked until we have a jaw broken in multiple places? Nope. Not happenin'.

As far as the new sets of music, yeah they're great, terrific listening - Kudos especially to Mark and Alan. But I'm proud to say I didn't pay a dime for them and got them for free online. My principle is, if certain names are attached and others left off of any project related to the Beach Boys, I don't give them a dime or a penny of my money. Best money I never spent.

GF - I haven't commented much about this part of the thread, since I've never visited PS forum, nor will I. I don't have the stomach to deal with any of those people anymore.  What I can say is I truly appreciate your insistence on correcting lies wherever you see them. That's really admirable. Selfishly, some of the lies were probably more than once, about me, so that's appreciated too. So, thanks again.

I second this. While I don't think this topic should be dwelled upon constantly (edit: not saying that anyone is dwelling on it constantly, didn't mean to imply this), I also think that the events of the past should not be forgotten. Craig went to the PS Forum and acted like the civil adult he is and he ended up getting banned for no logical reason whatsoever. He comes out the bigger person in all of this. He has put up with a lot of nonsense for years and yet he is still here helping run a very successful forum about our favorite band. It really is commendable. And to the children lurking from the PS Forum: this isn't ass-kissing, just sharing some courtesy to a guy who has put up with too much of your bullshit for the past few years.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
Ah I remember being a new fan as well. Twenty three years goes by quickly apparently!

 What are your favorites?

And to re-direct the topic back to Billy's question upthread to me (sorry--I would have responded sooner but was out all day). My favorites shift around regularly, but "Wouldn't It Be Nice," "Please Let Me Wonder," "God Only Knows," "Love and Mercy," Pet Sounds, SMiLE, and most through the late 1970s, and some pre-Pet Sounds songs. Also love the quirky Zappa-like songs of Brian Wilson (a long-time Zappa fan). Back to the BBs, I love what most of you on the board love, but became a fan on the spot after going to a Brian Wilson concert with someone else and was blown away--then started listening and reading. I am amazed at the knowledge here on the board.

Wild Honey through Holland are my favorite recordings by anybody....not just the Beach Boys, I mean literally everybody.

Here's a confession that I never thought I would make...as great as Pet Sounds and SMiLE are, I think Wild Honey and Friends are even better.

Billy, I hope I'm not throwing this thread off, but I just saw your post. When I met Brian in '69, he asked me, "what's your favorite album, I mean besides 'Pet Sound'." That final part was sweet and a little sad at the same time. When I replied "Friends," I think his response was the most excited I'd ever seen him, "Yes, me too, yes!" "Wild Honey" and "Friends" were both so brilliant as Brian went full-on into other genres and immediately mastered them. The brilliance is astoundng.

What was eye opening to me (or rather, ear opening....) was hearing all of these little details that were buried previously.  These "lo-fi" albums were just as "heavily produced' as previous recordings, just in different genres!

That's what really blew my mind about Wild Honey - that album sounded so muddy to me for many years but when that stereo version came out it was like going from a 5" black and white tv to a 100" vivid color HDTV. Brian is firing on so many creative cylinders at this point, and sometimes it was buried in a mono mix or some mix that didn't show all the working parts to the song.

I really wish that Friends would get a sonic remix like the Sgt. Pepper remix we got earlier this year.
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 12:23:43 PM
Ah I remember being a new fan as well. Twenty three years goes by quickly apparently!

 What are your favorites?

And to re-direct the topic back to Billy's question upthread to me (sorry--I would have responded sooner but was out all day). My favorites shift around regularly, but "Wouldn't It Be Nice," "Please Let Me Wonder," "God Only Knows," "Love and Mercy," Pet Sounds, SMiLE, and most through the late 1970s, and some pre-Pet Sounds songs. Also love the quirky Zappa-like songs of Brian Wilson (a long-time Zappa fan). Back to the BBs, I love what most of you on the board love, but became a fan on the spot after going to a Brian Wilson concert with someone else and was blown away--then started listening and reading. I am amazed at the knowledge here on the board.

Wild Honey through Holland are my favorite recordings by anybody....not just the Beach Boys, I mean literally everybody.

Here's a confession that I never thought I would make...as great as Pet Sounds and SMiLE are, I think Wild Honey and Friends are even better.

Billy, I hope I'm not throwing this thread off, but I just saw your post. When I met Brian in '69, he asked me, "what's your favorite album, I mean besides 'Pet Sound'." That final part was sweet and a little sad at the same time. When I replied "Friends," I think his response was the most excited I'd ever seen him, "Yes, me too, yes!" "Wild Honey" and "Friends" were both so brilliant as Brian went full-on into other genres and immediately mastered them. The brilliance is astoundng.

This story makes me so happy! Friends is my second favorite, and I consider it to be a part of Brian's select albums that deal with his life story: Pet Sounds, Friends, Love You, and No Pier Pressure. Each of those albums has some type of charm and eloquence that is pure Brian Wilson.
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 12:21:47 PM
Guitarfool, to be fair, like you say, their readership and average poster figures are pretty low, and they'll stay low given the type of posting that goes on there (and the type of moderation we're seeing). So if 20 people are sitting in an echo-chamber/daycare-center disguised as a Beach Boys forum, I do think at this point: more power to em.
This board will continue to thrive, and places that allow shady moderation and a user base of liars, harassers, and gossipers will inevitably crumble apart under the weight of their own depravity and stupidity.

I will grant you that the certain name on these latest releases is really sad. I love the music and am ecstatic to hear these tracks, but when I see the name of someone who spread tabloid style garbage in the fan community on these releases, it makes the releases seem a bit dirty, for lack of a better way to word it.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: December 21, 2018, 11:40:31 AM
"Lincoln" (2012) - 2/5, in 10 scale 5.5/10.
I'll agree that Lincoln sucked, but did you like There Will be Blood?


I feel I might need to act as a Daniel Day-Leiws apologist. This is why I ask.

Lincoln was a huge disappointment. I feel a lot of Spielburg's recent movies have been watered down for a children's audience (Lincoln and Bridge of Spies to be exact).

There Will Be Blood is INCREDIBLE. The cinematography is really good and about as impressive as the acting.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 21, 2018, 11:36:20 AM
Guitarfool, you mentioned that drawback about my idea when I first brought it up and I completely forgot about it...thanks for the reminder. It's a shame that such a thing even has to be debated.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 20, 2018, 06:50:50 PM
Billy that’s awesome! My fiancé and I just finished listening to the Friends album on vinyl and she loved it. This music brings us all together in the end.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Smiley Smile Message Board Milestone - And General Words Of Thanks on: December 20, 2018, 06:38:50 PM
Let me thrown in quickly my response was not a slam against you Shady just there’s way more to the story than many know and Doe’s got a better chance of winning the Kentucky Derby than ever showing back up here, and you can bet on that.

Completely understand

Honestly I thought AGD was banned for a couple of unfortunate posts that I read, all this other stuff I was unaware of.

I have such respect for all of the BB's historians that have come and gone on this site, the work they do to me is personally invaluable and I have learned a lot from AGD and others but all of this sounds unfortunate and have no doubt the right course of action was taken

Rab, shake man.. thanks for the insight

Hey, sorry that I responded so harshly. Remembering those days gets my blood pressure up haha. I’m really glad you’ve been such an active member of this forum, and it’s great to see your positivity throughout many of the threads! No hard feelings meant from me Hug
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 20, 2018, 03:02:15 PM
Friends was already my favorite album but now I think it is their best album with Brian Wilson’s best singing . I am grateful for these sets

It is my second favorite Beach Boys album behind Pet Sounds. This set has been illuminating but I just wish it had been given a physical box set! That being said, I'm so grateful for the tracks and that we are actually getting anything relating to this album.
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