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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
If you're trying to insinuate that I hijacked the thread, and not the string of 5 immediately preceding your original post that is ridiculous.

I think he’s saying that posters had a right to defend the negative generalization made about this forum as a whole. Had KDS not been expressing his pent-up angst about this forum the past couple days on the PS forum I doubt this thread would’ve veered off topic for 3 pages anyways.

I think people have a right to get annoyed at an out of place Mike jab (specifically my initial post here), but you opened a whole can of worms when you generalized the entire board.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 11:31:06 AM
A while back there was an extension made by a member here for internet browsers where you could type in anyone’s screen name and it wouldn’t show their posts. Perhaps talk with the mods about where you can find that extension (if it still exists) and go from there.

If you have a problem with a specific poster, if you see someone blatantly breaking the rules, PM the mods and they will work out a solution...they usually always do.

This forum is what we make of it. Until Mike did that pitiful MOJO interview this forum had been relatively chillax for months with not much negativity. It’ll swing back that way soon enough.
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 10:37:55 AM
To answer guitarfool's original questions to me.  He probably contributed very little to the song and he probably deserves little credit.  That is beside the point though.

Here is my view of this, maybe some people will understand where I am coming from.

-Original post about the ending of an 85 year old comic strip that makes a pretty touching sendoff involving WIBN.  One of BW's most enduring and iconic moments.
-Immediate response of some regulars going non-sequitur to the original post about the ML writing credit issue and the usual chuckling emojis. 
-I call it toxic.  It is extracting this obtuse little sticking point from the comic, that has been discussed often here, and doing some good ol' repetitive ML sh!tpostin'.  To me that is toxic.
-Board leadership responds and is like "wait, are you disputing the idiocy of the ML writing credit litigation?"  That is really frustrating, I am not disputing that at all.  Why is that the immediate takeaway here upon seeing the WIBN 45 in the comic strip?  That is probably the biggest question that I have.
-People call me an ML apologist, I think?  I am not, I don't like the guy and it is weird that people immediately think that.
-I am called out in a thread outside of this one that I didn't post in.  Some people mock me.  Multiple oldsurferdude accounts swipe at me.  All of this is okay I guess.
-This thread becomes more about Mike's writing credit litigation.  And, not very much about any of the numerous other directions that the original topic has afforded.  Now I bet someone will say "wellllll why didn't YOU post something constructive in the thread then?" as if that is the only way in which I can criticise. 
-I wonder why more people don't agree with me, and then go on with my day.  Later!

Three people made a comment about a songwriting credit/relevant lawsuit and you respond by calling it “SSMB toxic pollution”. I tire of seeing the Smiley Smile message board name lugged in with the word “toxic”, or the Smiley Smile message board name continually mentioned in some disparaging way on this forum and on the PS Forum. After having yet again read another of KDS’ passive aggressive swipes against this forum just the other day, its irritating for me to see the SSMB name tied together with the same talking point some PS Forum members have nauseatingly used to bash this forum.

The second post for this Nancy Comic thread on the PS Forum has someone joking about Mike suing over the label...is that PS Forum toxic pollution? No, it’s one guy making a joke. If anyone had a problem with that person’s comment, they would just logically call out that one guy and not lug in the entire PS Forum name with it. Likewise, three people here (myself included) made some comments about Mike. I totally get why you find our initial posts unnecessary, I’m not disagreeing with that. But three people on a message board of 100+ active members made some comments you don’t feel belong in this thread...so call us out and don’t make it an overall forum issue.

I only said that because different versions of this happen a lot.  If this was rare, and it was after 3 posts of ripping on ML, I certainly wouldn't have done so.  And I don't know what a Pet Sounds Forum is and I haven't been there so I am not going to comment on that.  I also want to thank you for what I think is a thoughtful reply.

I am starting to zero in more on my discontent and it would be- on most message boards (including this one) there is an off-topic section, and when posts veer off-topic they can be reclassified there.  I think that a lot of the repetitive ML sick burns that I see here are, in my eyes, veering completely off the topic (not counting threads that exist to rip on ML or are easy/obvious targets for it, which is fine, it is, after all, truth in advertising), yet on this forum it is never considered off-topic to pepper in a bunch of ML sh!tposting whenever any opportunity exists.  It gets OLD, and I guess that is my problem.  Do I blame the mods, or expect them to heavily police this place for that?  No, not at all.  Then I guess that either leaves blaming myself for getting annoyed, or blaming some posters that make hundreds or perhaps thousands of the same post, over and over again.  

"If you don't like it you can leave, have a sense of humor, you aren't the board gestapo/you are a fascist, you are stifling free speech, you are being really annoying, you are an ADG minion in disguise wearing an Adrian Baker mask and 1982 Radio Shack hat, etc etc etc."  Just helping peeps here get started with their replies.  

I’ll pose the same question to you as I did to KDS: Yes, we have a few people who make constant negative comments about Mike. Yet that doesn’t mean the plethora other active members here need to be under the umbrella generalization of this place being “toxic”...does it?

That was my only point. I get that there are comments made against Mike that are completely irrelevant to certain threads (and I admit I posted a stupid joke in this thread that was totally unnecessary). It happens often but it’s by the same two or three people, not the whole board. Most of my irritation is not with your post, but with the continuous banter I read on the PS Forum from posters like KDS who generalize this forum into one negative place for the sake of bringing up the PS Forum a few notches whilst ignoring the great content that is here.

The following isn’t in response to you KP, just something I want to get out there: I totally admit that I generalized the PS Forum for a long time after it was created. I was pissed that certain people got a free pass considering the heft of their previous actions and I took it out on that forum as a whole. But in time I realize that the PS Forum has some great members and great conversation. Though I still can’t figure out why certain posters were even allowed there in the first place (nor will I post there until they’re inevitably banned), I’ve not bashed that forum as a whole in a while because it would be putting down a lot of good people. The same should go for the generalizations being made about the Smiley forum lately.
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 10:20:14 AM

Ahhh perhaps thats because our current member lineup doesn’t include people who have:

- spread awful rumors about Melinda Wilson
- claimed Melinda Wilson is a troll here
- claimed Brian won’t ever get another radio hit again
- claimed that they will defend Mike Love no matter what
- been sent on a mission from an “interested party” to get the home address of a poster here.
- claimed that they disparage Brian and Melinda solely to counteract the Mike Love hate
- harassed an enthusiastic female member here in nearly every thread she participated in
- created a thread to disparage one female fans opinion about falsettos
- made awful comments regarding a band members adopted children

That list can go on and on and on, KDS. Supposedly we’re the toxic ones?

That's all part of the reality I mentioned in my last post.

So what say you, KDS?

Saying Brian Wilson will never have another radio hit is just reality.   I don't even know why that would be on the same list as some of these other things. 

As for the other stuff, I haven't seen it on PSF, other than the criticism of RR's preference for Adrian Baker, and that poster was called out for it. 

I mentioned the radio thing because it was mentioned by the same guy who admitted to mocking Brian and Melinda to offset the Mike gripes here. I wasn’t sure if that was another petulant remark by the guy or a serious comment. Frankly, it isn’t a reality until Brian stops making music. Anything is possible.

As for the rest of your comment: so it doesn’t matter that those things were said or done in the first place, it just matters that they haven’t been done on the PS Forum? Shitty behavior is shitty behavior, KDS. So yeah, when you go after this forum because some members have legitimate gripes about Mike, I find it ironic that you simultaneously willingly and happily interact with the same people who have spread rumors, false information, and overall negative opinions about Brian Wilson and his family in the past.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 09:43:22 AM
But, I'm sure everyone has had that one co-worker.  You first meet him/her, and they voice some complaints about their job.   But, then every time you see this person in the office, all they do is complain.  At some point, after a while, and after hearing the same complaints so many times, the warranted criticism just becomes noise.  

If I had a co-worker who I found "toxic" and who did nothing but complained, and I had an option of not having to visit their office or otherwise be in that space, I'd do just that. I wouldn't continue to poke in and out constantly, intent on continuing to engage with them while claiming they're all "white noise" (but continuing to call that white noise "toxic", etc.)

This message board isn't like a job; you don't have to be here.

Why someone would post on two different BB message boards while calling one "toxic" or otherwise painting the *board* in some way negatively (and taking passive aggressive swipes at that board on the *other* board) is beyond me.




Oh look, HeyJude is telling people how to internet for a change.  

I'm still on this board because there are still some interesting discussions on the music.  I found the posts on the Beach Boys v Beatles threads to be very interesting (well.....most of them).   The Beatles Survivor Game is also quite fun.  



Nope, nowhere in my post did I tell anyone how to do anything. I mentioned what I'd do in a case where I found something "toxic" and had the option of removing myself from that situation, I mentioned my attitude towards passive aggressive posting about one forum on another, and pointed out the obvious; that one doesn't have to be here.

Let it be known that plenty of folks who don't post on the other BB board do read it. I do from time to time. My personal opinion is it's rather bad form (and more than anything just odd) to post on *both* boards and yet complain about only one (Smiley Smile) on the other (PS Forum).

I've seen threads now and then that look interesting, or random factoids that could use correcting, etc. on the other board. But I don't post there because I don't like the tone of many of the threads, don't like the tone and content of a number of the posters, and so on. I'd feel pretty silly posting thousands of posts on the PS Forum while coming back to the Smiley Smile board and taking passive aggressive swipes against PS Forum posters and the board in general. But that's just me. I'm not telling anybody else what to do or how to be. I'm just trying to point out how such things might appear to others.


To be fair, I've never said anything on PSF that I wouldn't also say on this forum.  

No, you just say it far more often there.

I'm flattered that you find my posts on the Pet Sounds Forum so fascinating.  

Besides, anything I've said on Pet Sounds Forum about the nature of SSMB pales in comparison to some posts I've seen here about the posters on PSF.  

Ahhh perhaps thats because our current member lineup doesn’t include people who have:

- spread awful rumors about Melinda Wilson
- claimed Melinda Wilson is a troll here
- claimed Brian won’t ever get another radio hit again
- claimed that they will defend Mike Love no matter what
- been sent on a mission from an “interested party” to get the home address of a poster here.
- claimed that they disparage Brian and Melinda solely to counteract the Mike Love hate
- harassed an enthusiastic female member here in nearly every thread she participated in
- created a thread to disparage one female fans opinion about falsettos
- made awful comments regarding a band members adopted children

That list can go on and on and on, KDS. Supposedly we’re the toxic ones?
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 09:27:08 AM
But, I'm sure everyone has had that one co-worker.  You first meet him/her, and they voice some complaints about their job.   But, then every time you see this person in the office, all they do is complain.  At some point, after a while, and after hearing the same complaints so many times, the warranted criticism just becomes noise.  

If I had a co-worker who I found "toxic" and who did nothing but complained, and I had an option of not having to visit their office or otherwise be in that space, I'd do just that. I wouldn't continue to poke in and out constantly, intent on continuing to engage with them while claiming they're all "white noise" (but continuing to call that white noise "toxic", etc.)

This message board isn't like a job; you don't have to be here.

Why someone would post on two different BB message boards while calling one "toxic" or otherwise painting the *board* in some way negatively (and taking passive aggressive swipes at that board on the *other* board) is beyond me.




Oh look, HeyJude is telling people how to internet for a change.  

I'm still on this board because there are still some interesting discussions on the music.  I found the posts on the Beach Boys v Beatles threads to be very interesting (well.....most of them).   The Beatles Survivor Game is also quite fun.  



Nope, nowhere in my post did I tell anyone how to do anything. I mentioned what I'd do in a case where I found something "toxic" and had the option of removing myself from that situation, I mentioned my attitude towards passive aggressive posting about one forum on another, and pointed out the obvious; that one doesn't have to be here.

Let it be known that plenty of folks who don't post on the other BB board do read it. I do from time to time. My personal opinion is it's rather bad form (and more than anything just odd) to post on *both* boards and yet complain about only one (Smiley Smile) on the other (PS Forum).

I've seen threads now and then that look interesting, or random factoids that could use correcting, etc. on the other board. But I don't post there because I don't like the tone of many of the threads, don't like the tone and content of a number of the posters, and so on. I'd feel pretty silly posting thousands of posts on the PS Forum while coming back to the Smiley Smile board and taking passive aggressive swipes against PS Forum posters and the board in general. But that's just me. I'm not telling anybody else what to do or how to be. I'm just trying to point out how such things might appear to others.


To be fair, I've never said anything on PSF that I wouldn't also say on this forum. 

No, you just say it far more often there.
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 09:16:14 AM
Yes, we have a few people who make constant negative comments about Mike.

Some posters revel in it. It shouldn't be surprising that some find it toxic.

No doubt. Doesn’t mean the entire board (which includes great posters and insiders) needs to be labeled “toxic”.

@KDS, I’d respond to your post(s) by reiterating what I wrote in my initial reply to you, but I won’t. I think I made myself perfectly clear in that post, and if you can’t see the logic behind it, so be it.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 08:28:21 AM
To answer guitarfool's original questions to me.  He probably contributed very little to the song and he probably deserves little credit.  That is beside the point though.

Here is my view of this, maybe some people will understand where I am coming from.

-Original post about the ending of an 85 year old comic strip that makes a pretty touching sendoff involving WIBN.  One of BW's most enduring and iconic moments.
-Immediate response of some regulars going non-sequitur to the original post about the ML writing credit issue and the usual chuckling emojis.  
-I call it toxic.  It is extracting this obtuse little sticking point from the comic, that has been discussed often here, and doing some good ol' repetitive ML sh!tpostin'.  To me that is toxic.
-Board leadership responds and is like "wait, are you disputing the idiocy of the ML writing credit litigation?"  That is really frustrating, I am not disputing that at all.  Why is that the immediate takeaway here upon seeing the WIBN 45 in the comic strip?  That is probably the biggest question that I have.
-People call me an ML apologist, I think?  I am not, I don't like the guy and it is weird that people immediately think that.
-I am called out in a thread outside of this one that I didn't post in.  Some people mock me.  Multiple oldsurferdude accounts swipe at me.  All of this is okay I guess.
-This thread becomes more about Mike's writing credit litigation.  And, not very much about any of the numerous other directions that the original topic has afforded.  Now I bet someone will say "wellllll why didn't YOU post something constructive in the thread then?" as if that is the only way in which I can criticise.  
-I wonder why more people don't agree with me, and then go on with my day.  Later!

Three people made a comment about a songwriting credit/relevant lawsuit and you respond by calling it “SSMB toxic pollution”. I tire of seeing the Smiley Smile message board name lugged in with the word “toxic”, or the Smiley Smile message board name continually mentioned in some disparaging way on this forum and on the PS Forum. After having yet again read another of KDS’ passive aggressive swipes against this forum just the other day, its irritating for me to see the SSMB name tied together with the same talking point some PS Forum members have nauseatingly used to bash this forum.

The second post for this Nancy Comic thread on the PS Forum has someone joking about Mike suing over the label...is that PS Forum toxic pollution? No, it’s one guy making a joke. If anyone had a problem with that person’s comment, they would just logically call out that one guy and not lug in the entire PS Forum name with it. Likewise, three people here (myself included) made some comments about Mike. I totally get why you find our initial posts unnecessary, I’m not disagreeing with that. But three people on a message board of 100+ active members made some comments you don’t feel belong in this thread...so call us out and don’t make it an overall forum issue.

I think the "toxic" label still exists on this forum because of the constant anti Mike comments, even on threads that have little or nothing to do with with.  

And sure, this case might've been a joke.   If so, what's the difference between joking about Mike's lawsuit and a joke review of No Pier Pressure?  

Back to the Mike thing.   I'm often labeled an "apologist" and have been accused of having some sort of "end game."  But, I've also admitted that Mike does bring it on himself a bit, and had done some things that warrant criticism.  

But, I'm sure everyone has had that one co-worker.  You first meet him/her, and they voice some complaints about their job.   But, then every time you see this person in the office, all they do is complain.  At some point, after a while, and after hearing the same complaints so many times, the warranted criticism just becomes noise.  

1. Frankly, I think there are certain people who loathe that this place exists and they’ll say anything to discredit this place. Yes, we have a few people who make constant negative comments about Mike. Yet that doesn’t mean the plethora other active members here need to be under the umbrella generalization of this place being “toxic”...does it? I mean, just last month Mike made some jackass comments about Al, Carl, and Brian in MOJO. How the hell are us fans supposed to react?

It’s funny, because you mention an analogy about a co-worker in the workplace complaining constantly to the point where it becomes noise - and this is supposed to justify the bashing this forum receives. But yet isn’t that exactly what Mike does? He constantly complains about Brian, handlers, prescription meds, etc to the point where its just noise. We are merely doing the exact same thing you do about this forum. Difference is, we pinpoint it on one guy (Mike) and don’t make a generalization about the entire band. Why not just call out OSD, myself, or Smile Brian for negative comments? Any other comments I see about Mike seem to be logical backlash to Mike’s constant jamming his foot in his mouth. You can call that constant negativity, but when Mike is giving constant negativity himself, don’t expect the rest of us to be willfully ignorant about it...and nothing about that is “toxic”.

Edit: It’s also funny that you are saying that Mike is negatively brought up in threads with little or nothing to do with him. Yet the other day you brought up “other forums” in a negative way in a thread that had NOTHING to do with any forums. You found an opportunity to bash the Smiley forum when it was completely unnecessary. Might I suggest you be the change you want to see? I mean, if you’re going to complain about people bringing up off-topic negativity, perhaps you should take that same advice yourself.

2. Joking about Mike’s lawsuit and a joke review of No Pier Pressure? Let’s see, in one we get some people calling out Mike straight up lying about Brian in an attempt to make a lot of money and him getting 1/3 credit for 5 words in one of Brian’s more intricate pop songs. The other is Brian working months and months in the studio on an album and some kids calling one of the songs “a stupid fucking pop song” along with a bunch of other immature remarks that tore down Brian’s hard work. You guys call that a joke, yet I’d say thats the same bullshit that drove Brian away from posting demos of his work on his own forum. That rightfully pissed off a lot of people. So yeah, I’d say there’s an ocean of difference between calling out ridiculous lawsuits and making some childish hurtful comments about Brian’s album. If you can’t see the difference between the two, perhaps that’s exactly why we don’t see eye to eye on many things.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 20, 2018, 07:52:33 AM
3/5

I love that ‘Wonderful’ vibe in the beginning. Would love to know more about this songs’ genesis.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 07:43:16 AM
To answer guitarfool's original questions to me.  He probably contributed very little to the song and he probably deserves little credit.  That is beside the point though.

Here is my view of this, maybe some people will understand where I am coming from.

-Original post about the ending of an 85 year old comic strip that makes a pretty touching sendoff involving WIBN.  One of BW's most enduring and iconic moments.
-Immediate response of some regulars going non-sequitur to the original post about the ML writing credit issue and the usual chuckling emojis. 
-I call it toxic.  It is extracting this obtuse little sticking point from the comic, that has been discussed often here, and doing some good ol' repetitive ML sh!tpostin'.  To me that is toxic.
-Board leadership responds and is like "wait, are you disputing the idiocy of the ML writing credit litigation?"  That is really frustrating, I am not disputing that at all.  Why is that the immediate takeaway here upon seeing the WIBN 45 in the comic strip?  That is probably the biggest question that I have.
-People call me an ML apologist, I think?  I am not, I don't like the guy and it is weird that people immediately think that.
-I am called out in a thread outside of this one that I didn't post in.  Some people mock me.  Multiple oldsurferdude accounts swipe at me.  All of this is okay I guess.
-This thread becomes more about Mike's writing credit litigation.  And, not very much about any of the numerous other directions that the original topic has afforded.  Now I bet someone will say "wellllll why didn't YOU post something constructive in the thread then?" as if that is the only way in which I can criticise. 
-I wonder why more people don't agree with me, and then go on with my day.  Later!

Three people made a comment about a songwriting credit/relevant lawsuit and you respond by calling it “SSMB toxic pollution”. I tire of seeing the Smiley Smile message board name lugged in with the word “toxic”, or the Smiley Smile message board name continually mentioned in some disparaging way on this forum and on the PS Forum. After having yet again read another of KDS’ passive aggressive swipes against this forum just the other day, its irritating for me to see the SSMB name tied together with the same talking point some PS Forum members have nauseatingly used to bash this forum.

The second post for this Nancy Comic thread on the PS Forum has someone joking about Mike suing over the label...is that PS Forum toxic pollution? No, it’s one guy making a joke. If anyone had a problem with that person’s comment, they would just logically call out that one guy and not lug in the entire PS Forum name with it. Likewise, three people here (myself included) made some comments about Mike. I totally get why you find our initial posts unnecessary, I’m not disagreeing with that. But three people on a message board of 100+ active members made some comments you don’t feel belong in this thread...so call us out and don’t make it an overall forum issue.
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - The Unsung Hero of BASS GUITAR on: February 19, 2018, 06:36:30 PM
Awesome thread, I had no idea!
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Specific Beach Boys Musical Moment That Is Kicking Your Ass Right Now on: February 19, 2018, 06:07:12 PM
The boot where BW sings it live in 1971 is even better! Cool Guy

Man I’m gonna have to dig that out, wish I had my collection more easily accessible.
It's on YouTube here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptrbZwsQqdg

Thanks much! I do prefer the original but its great to hear him sing that himself.

it's Jack Rieley

Definitely Jack on lead, but to be fair, Brian sings the 2nd "Oh lord I lay me down" very faintly. This causes a reaction from the crowd, including a "GET IT, BRIAN!".

You can also hear him join in on the harmonies at end.

Yeah I think the “Get it Brian!” calls from the crowd, plus the picture in that video made me think it really was Brian singing the whole thing. Tbh I went years thinking Brian sang lead on ‘Meant For You’ so my track record sucks when it comes to placing vocals.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 19, 2018, 11:55:22 AM
Agreed....this is nothing new. This has been debated for many years, long before this message board existed; the fact that the claim is the legal equivalent of erectile dysfunction certainly doesn’t help.

I think I may use “toxic pollution “ for a song title now, though

Heck, Mike himself used "toxic waste" as a lyric during the song Summer in Paradise; in true unintentional hilarious Mike form, Mike sings "toxic waste" right as a super cheesy, dated-even-by-1992-standards sax solo part kicks in  LOL

With that in mind it kinda makes sense why his apologists use the term so religiously LOL
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 19, 2018, 10:47:08 AM
Here's how I see it -- that 45 is from 1966, long before lawsuits and credit corrections.

Definitely. I think some of us were just pointing out that that specific ‘66 credit label seems more appropriate/honest than the current one. My initial response was more in jest.

All that aside, it really is awesome to see that this music is still used in pop culture like this. It’s interesting how many artists I’ve seen use The Beach Boys/Brian in their art - it’s like no matter the medium, good work is recognized by artists from any field.
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Pet Peeves on: February 19, 2018, 10:31:34 AM
guys who don't leave the seat down

On the flip side of this, women (or men) who complain about men doing this because they nearly fell into the toilet. It’s like, do you not look before you go to sit down somewhere? As disgusting as leaving the seat up is, for the love of it when it comes to a toilet it’s in your best interest to look at where you’re about to sit, regardless of the seat issue.

That being said, you’re totally right. I think some university did a study and found that when you flush and leave the seat up, tiny particles and liquid from the toilet shoot out all over the bathroom. Makes me cringe when those automatic flushers in public restrooms go off.
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 19, 2018, 08:57:24 AM
I really love parts of it, the sound effects are cool as hell and listening to that piano is pretty darn relaxing. I give it a 4/5.
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 19, 2018, 03:01:22 AM
And like clockwork, the first 5 replies to this excellent first post were predictable SSMB toxic pollution.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. That people point out how utterly ridiculous it is that Mike gets 33% credit for 5 words in an intricate pop song isn’t “toxic”, nor is the relavant point that after that lawsuit he filed another strictly relating to a label on an album. Also, 3 people made some comments on a board of 100+ active members. Want to call me toxic? Please go right ahead. But don’t insult the other members with a vapid generalization of this forum.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 18, 2018, 06:39:36 PM
And the credits on the label are as they should be, Wilson/Asher.

Mike’s legal team upon seeing this:



Seriously I don’t doubt that someone in that department would sniff for a lawsuit with this haha.
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Playlist challenge on: February 18, 2018, 05:53:33 PM
How about a double LP? Great idea and I’m gonna be making this a playlist to listen to this week.

1. Think About The Days
2. Guess You Had To Be There
3. She Says That She Needs Me
4. Forever She’ll Be My Surfer Girl
5. Sunshine

6. That’s Why God Made The Radio
7. On The Island
8. Lay Down Burden
9. Southern California
10. Spring Vacation

11. This Beautiful Day
12. Good Kind Of Love
13. Where Has Love Been
14. Mexican Girl
15. Your Imagination

16. One Kind Of Love
17. Pacific Coast Highway
18. San Simeon
19. From There To Back Again
20. Midnight’s Another Day
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: February 18, 2018, 12:57:14 PM
Honestly KDS, I visit the PS forum from time to time, and lately the only time I see some passive aggressive swipe against this forum is when you’re the one doing it. Everyone else seems to be growing up and moving on, except you, which I find to be ironic because you post here as much as anyone else here. If you’ve got a problem with specific people, then come out and say it. Do you have a problem with specific reasons why people dislike Mike? Then come out and say it. You say that some on “other forums” would be surprised that you’d pick Brian over Mike as your favorite beach boy? Who here would even care!?

Did you read Mike’s 2005 lawsuit?
Have you read any one of his interviews in the last 5 years regarding Brian?

You don’t want to acknowledge these things actually happened? Totally fine! But don’t pretend like people on this forum hate Mike just to hate Mike. Seriously, let’s talk about that 2005 lawsuit and please change my mind as to why lying about Brian doesn’t make Mike an absolute schmuck. Seriously, I’d love for anyone to change my mind about that. But until then stop taking swipes at this forum because some here have certain views about Mike.
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys session at Abbey Road 2018 on: February 18, 2018, 11:24:05 AM
I personally don’t mind hearing new takes on songs, as long as they’re done right. The Beatles Love album for instance was a new take on those songs (though I do realize those were 99% reworked with original instrumentals), and in one case even had modern strings overdub an original (that sounds better than the original if you ask me). But that project was meticulously worked on by people who had a great artistic vision. And actually an even better example of this is Atticus Ross’ Love and Mercy soundtrack - I wouldn’t say he made things sound better but he put a new spin on ‘In My Room’ and ‘Til I Die’ that will forever be played on my system. Or take Boyd and Linnet’s take on ‘Sail Plane Song’ for the MIC release - I know that got hated on a bit, but to me it sounds fuckin awesome with those drums and reverb heavy vocals. So I really don’t mind it when someone with a good vision and an overall creative respect for the original work does a mashup or adds some strings to original vocals or tracks.

That being said, the differences between the projects I just mentioned and what we’ll likely be getting with this release are staggering. Those Franklin and Elvis projects just seem like a cookie cutter form of making easy money. No heart, no soul. I mean, with this project you’d think they’d invite Brian and Mike into the studio to consult and give ideas...maybe they will, but for some reason I doubt it. From what I heard, like Guitarfool says, it really is like putting a prime rib on a seeded bun. Again, prove me wrong though.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys session at Abbey Road 2018 on: February 18, 2018, 10:37:08 AM
Yeah, the more I listen to the Elvis and Franklin releases, the more I’m really disappointed in the idea of it. I really hoped it would be more artistically interesting, but those projects sound so bland and lifeless. What I hope to hear:

The Lonely Sea (4 string quartet, no drums)
Don’t Worry Baby (String section, heavy cello use, and French horns, no drums).
In My Room (violins plucking the intro riff, harp, a huge climax during the “laugh at yesterday” section, no drums)
I Get Around (heavy emphasis on the piano, have some violins play along with Brian’s falsetto, no drums)
Caroline, No (harpsichord, flute, basically what the Vitamin String Quartet did to this song only add the original instruments)
Etc

But we’ll probably end up getting a greatest hits package track list, there’ll be some cool moments in the symphony playing but you’ll be so distracted by a godawful sounding drums that you won’t even notice. But please prove me wrong.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys session at Abbey Road 2018 on: February 18, 2018, 03:55:43 AM
Ya know, I don’t mind this idea if it’s done right. That BBC version of ‘God Only Knows’ from a few years ago was a great glimpse into what Beach Boys songs could sound like done with more symphony-like arrangements. Not to mention the London Symphony Orchestra covering that same song.

For my Beach Boys Love album, I did a mashup of the Vitamin String Quartet’s cover of ‘You Still Believe In Me’ and the vocals from the actual song and it wasn’t half bad. Something like that done professionally could sound really good...especially with a full orchestra behind it.

And the Beatles very own Love album had a phenomenal overdub of strings on ‘While My Guitar Gently Weeps’.

But I just listened to some tracks from Aretha Franklins version of this very project. The strings sound amazing but those drums/percussion just kill any organic flow those tracks have. I don’t get why they go to all the trouble of string arrangements when they just become overshadowed by some poorly mixed, plastic sounding drums. I am really hoping The Beach Boys version doesn’t sound as disjointed.

Hickory Violet, thanks much for the heads up about this!
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike & Bruce 2018 Tour Thread on: February 17, 2018, 04:59:16 PM
In response to the bass player question...I don't think The Beach Boys have EVER had an above average bass player on stage. The fact that they found Bruce's bass playing acceptable in 1965 is enough proof of how little they cared about it. Now that being said, Brian Wilson has written some of the greatest bass lines to grace popular recordings...but that has nothing to do with the bass guitar as an instrument, that is purely based on harmony.

So in recent years? One certainly doesn't stand out over the other. The only virtuosic players to grace Mike's band in the past twenty years have been Totten & Cowsill. We'll never see Mike cast them aside. The operation would crumble instantly.

The bass playing on The In Concert album is above average.  Ed Carter was above average on the bass.  So was Blondie.  Bruce is also better than you give him credit for.

You're right about "In Concert". I shouldn't have slighted Ed Carter, or even Blondie. But we'll have to agree to disagree on Bruce!

Fair enough but have you seen this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qJZIQmiQETM

 Cheesy

Yesssss I was waiting for this to be posted. This is the pinnacle of music in the last century. Seriously.
75  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: February 17, 2018, 10:45:09 AM
Great posts by both of you.

I feel like I know way too many people suffering from severe anxiety and panic disorders. I know people from many different walks of life, many different fields, and it just seems to be a common problem. It’s so bad that I sometimes ask “did something get put in the water 30 years ago that’s making so many of us more fearful and on edge?” (Hearing about the levels of prescription drugs and plastics in our water supply it wouldn’t surprise me if that is the reason for the overall changing anxiety issue in the US). I mean my parents generation and my grandparents generation fought two very intense wars, they lived under the severe threat of nuclear annihilation...yet they got through it seemingly fine (that’s not to say no one had anxiety then, but I feel like it’s an exponentially bigger problem now than it ever has been).

I sometimes wonder if the chill alcohol atmosphere in the workplace of the 60s (and prior years), the chill view of smoking back then, made anxiety back then seem nonexistent...people were easily able to feel relaxed with a puff or a swig of booze. Nowadays all of that is taboo and we’re to rely on prescription meds to feel better (perhaps for the better, I really don’t know)...and yeah, not too many people are willing to get help that way these days.

But yes, what’s initially causing this problem? 1 in 8 Americans is an alcoholic. People are going on these petulant shooting rampages. Heroine epidemics on the rise. 88,000 people dying in America last year from alcohol related incidents...290,000 Americans injured in drunk driving wrecks in 2016. This latest generation seems to be addicted to Snapchat and instagram, the prior generation Facebook - many from both generations seemingly suffering from a serious narcissistic tendencies. Perhaps we want instant gratification, we want happiness without being willing to work hard for it...but where do we find happiness anyways?

Frankly, I think people need to get out in nature more. Breathe some fresh air, exercise has been proven to help mental and physical health. Get off the couch, stop watching the news (whose sole purpose, no matter what network you watch, is to create ratings so they will sensationalize anything to get them). Lay off watching television all the time, crack open a book. Like undercover says: meditate, it’s a great way to calm your mind down, and you seriously do feel great afterwards. That hygge practice seems perfectly logical: your home is your nest in this world - why wouldn’t you make it as beautiful and comfortable as possible? Lay off the alcohol, it’s a depressant and when ingested in copious amounts never leads to anything good - it actually warps your brain chemistry over time if you become dependent on it. Don’t rely on anyone else for your happiness - learn a hobby that you can always carry with you no matter who you’re with in life. Play an instrument, learn how to paint. Go birdwatching. I think people spend too much time filling their minds with useless media (via internet, movies, shows, video games) that we lose touch of what the real world is - perhaps that’s why more and more people feel a disconnect with it, and feel anxiety about life. Anyways, I’m rambling.
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