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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 10:48:07 AM
I think the best thing posters can do is accept all the things that this band has brought us - the good, the great, the bad, the ugly. Accept that Mike contributed a whole hell of a lot to the band, totally. Accept that Brian wasnít a perfect individual at times. Accept that Mike has a penchant for sticking his foot in his mouth, but also accept he had/has a bit to gripe about.

The second best thing for posters is the willingness to change your mind about your viewpoint if the evidence yields enough to warrant such a change. Iíve been pissed at Mike for the wrong reasons before, Iíve glorified certain parts of Brianís music that he didnít even write. Be willing to accept when youíre wrong or when youíre right. This goes for anyone on both sides of the spectrum.
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 10:39:46 AM
May I please ask about this one more time- after my original post in this thread, a user who was offended was calling me out in other threads that I wasn't a part of, and they also for whatever reason have multiple SSMB accounts and they used 2 accounts to talk smack to me.  Is one or both against the rules?  Will anything be done about that?

I would honestly call it a gray area: while two accounts arenít allowed, OldSurferDude had an old account here that he got banned from, iirc he lost his sign-in information after a long-time ban and made the Legendary account. After that the mods let him reset his password for his original account but OSD just started using his Legendary account as well. Iíd say since heís not trying to hide his original monicker with his newer account (everyone knows theyíre both OSD as both of their names imply) and everyone knows theyíre the same poster itís not really a problem.

As for him defending himself after you called his comment toxic pollution, as someone else said, you kinda put yourself in that situation. As for him dedicating a song to you, not sure if Iíd classify that as bullying but get clarification from GF or Billy about that. I think I mentioned it before, but PMing both mods may give you a quicker response.

That's how I remember the situation and why there are two accounts in this case. The login was blocked on the original, so a new one was set up, and when all the board mechanics got sorted out, the old one was accessible too. Nothing underhanded going on, just an old issue which was preventing logins, and this account wasn't the only one which has had similar issues since.

That's how I remember it - If I'm wrong, please correct, but there were login issues if I recall.

It's not the same issue as, say, Steve or his multiple accounts coming on with aliases to bash me.

Okay, why does he continue to actively use 2 accounts then?  If there are no login issues anymore then 2 shouldn't be necessary.  They both have 1300-something posts on them.  If 2 accounts aren't allowed, then this shouldn't be allowed.  Unless the guy secretly pays the server fees for this board or something, and gets more freedom to disregard the rules that everybody else follows.

And this actually really isn't that far off from Steve.  Just that one (OSD) is overtly out in the open and the other one is marginally, but not very well, attempting to be cloaked and failing at it.  

And OSD has decided to be silent ever since his original posts, I assume because someone in leadership told him that he screwed up and he should lay low.  

Kid, I donít even think OSD would care if the mods deleted his original account. The difference between OSD and Steve (if heís really doing some alias thing) is that OSD isnít trying to hide under multiple monickers for the sake of pretending to be two or more people. OSD is clearly OSD and both account names clearly show that. There isnít anything sinister going on, its an account snafu that honestly doesnít benefit OSD in the slightest, and again I say, Iím sure he doesnít care at all if one of those accounts gets deleted.

Iíll offer the same advice to you for the third time: contact the mods via PM. Iím sure someone here will eventually address your concerns publicly, but in my time here whenever I have an issue to discuss with any mod the fastest way to get a response is by contacting them directly, privately.
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 21, 2018, 08:46:13 AM
Good point. Specifically that is why I hope Mike wouldíve pressed charges. Currently, kids are being arrested left and right for making stupid threats in the wake of what just happened in Florida. Shouldnít be any different for celebrities.

Right, and in the light of what happened in Florida, I don't think it would be a bad thing for social media to be monitored for that kind of thing. 

True that. The CDC monitors social media for outbreaks (they found that they could get more accurate predictions of sickness by pinpointing swarms of posts in specific areas about people not feeling well). I would hope the FBI would do something similar - within the confines of the law, but whatever you post on the internet publicly I think has every right to be analyzed by those whose job it is to stop crime.
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 21, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
Good point. Specifically that is why I hope Mike wouldíve pressed charges. Currently, kids are being arrested left and right for making stupid threats in the wake of what just happened in Florida. Shouldnít be any different for celebrities.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 08:01:27 AM
May I please ask about this one more time- after my original post in this thread, a user who was offended was calling me out in other threads that I wasn't a part of, and they also for whatever reason have multiple SSMB accounts and they used 2 accounts to talk smack to me.  Is one or both against the rules?  Will anything be done about that?

I would honestly call it a gray area: while two accounts arenít allowed, OldSurferDude had an old account here that he got banned from, iirc he lost his sign-in information after a long-time ban and made the Legendary account. After that the mods let him reset his password for his original account but OSD just started using his Legendary account as well. Iíd say since heís not trying to hide his original monicker with his newer account (everyone knows theyíre both OSD as both of their names imply) and everyone knows theyíre the same poster itís not really a problem.

As for him defending himself after you called his comment toxic pollution, as someone else said, you kinda put yourself in that situation. As for him dedicating a song to you, not sure if Iíd classify that as bullying but get clarification from GF or Billy about that. I think I mentioned it before, but PMing both mods may give you a quicker response.

That's how I remember the situation and why there are two accounts in this case. The login was blocked on the original, so a new one was set up, and when all the board mechanics got sorted out, the old one was accessible too. Nothing underhanded going on, just an old issue which was preventing logins, and this account wasn't the only one which has had similar issues since.

That's how I remember it - If I'm wrong, please correct, but there were login issues if I recall.

It's not the same issue as, say, Steve or his multiple accounts coming on with aliases to bash me.

Hey now, itís clearly Steveís friend using Steveís internet on Steveís computer at Steveís house. I mean, that account may link to another IP address but I promise itís not Steveís friendís local public library!

Tbh, if there are actually aliases being used, Steve my man Iíd suggest you invest in some VPN app to block your IP address, you could probably talk to Mikeís Beard about setting it up. But it goes a long way to masking your IP from mods on any forum.
31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 21, 2018, 07:48:44 AM
I was reading a post on Facebook, something about Mikeís reputation beginning to get better in 2018. But in it it mentioned Mike having to hire extra security for him and his family after the 2012 C50 ending because of death threats he was receiving. Iím assuming that was in his book (that I havenít read), just wondered if someone could confirm that. What a shame if thatís true. I get he has a bad reputation, but why on earth would anyone stoop that low?

I've little doubt that it's true.  "Fan" is short for fanatic after all.   The deranged fan who killed Darrell Abbott in 2004 apparently did so because he was disappointed that Pantera didn't get back together.  

Truly scary.  

Wow. Itís just crazy that some fans of The Beach Boys would stoop that low. I mean talk about completely ignoring the idea that Brian wrote much of his music to bring goodness to the world. I get that a lot of us have negative commentary about some interviews Mike gives and other things, but threatening a manís family?

Did Mike press charges? In this day and age itís not difficult for law enforcement to track down people who make threats like these.
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 21, 2018, 07:38:24 AM
I was reading a post on Facebook, something about Mikeís reputation beginning to get better in 2018. But in it it mentioned Mike having to hire extra security for him and his family after the 2012 C50 ending because of death threats he was receiving. Iím assuming that was in his book (that I havenít read), just wondered if someone could confirm that. What a shame if thatís true. I get he has a bad reputation, but why on earth would anyone stoop that low?

Mike does briefly touch on this in his book.

But that Facebook post is really odd. It's like someone hired a grade schooler to write a book report that doubles as a shill "fan" post to help out with ongoing bad PR issues.

No, Mike's reputation isn't taking a turn for the better in 2018 unfortunately. His most recent Mojo interview seems to indicate it's getting worse, not better.

Agreed. The person even writes that Mike is ďproving now a great person to interviewĒ with the ďarrogance of the past goneĒ - this person really does need to read the latest Mojo and the digs made at Al, Carl, and Brian that are in it.

Tbh a month ago I wouldíve started to agree with this person about Mikeís interviews...prior to that Mojo article Mike had about a year there where he was a stand-up guy in his interviews. I started to get the impression he had changed his mindset about things, or hired a PR person. But it looks like that bitterness isnít going away. Too bad.

Also, thanks for the confirmation.
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 21, 2018, 06:25:26 AM
Everyoneís got different tastes. Itís one of the happiest most rollicking songs Brian has done in his solo career, IMO (probably besides Good Kind Of Love). To me it sounds completely organic and lively...no doubt in part to the positive writing experience Musgraves had with Brian for this song.

I guess so.  I like some happy songs, and I like country music a little more with each passing year.   

For a happy sounding Brian song, I much prefer Don't Worry, which didn't make the "proper" album cut.

Thatís one song I wouldíve loved to have been in the studio for during recording. And also wouldíve loved to have heard the genesis of this song. I didnít like it much first time hearing it, Woodstock (Niko) once explained to me the dynamics of the song and it opened my eyes to how cool it actually is.
34  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 21, 2018, 06:18:34 AM
Everyoneís got different tastes. Itís one of the happiest most rollicking songs Brian has done in his solo career, IMO (probably besides Good Kind Of Love). To me it sounds completely organic and lively...no doubt in part to the positive writing experience Musgraves had with Brian for this song.
35  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: February 21, 2018, 06:09:03 AM
Okay thatís awesome.
36  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: February 21, 2018, 05:47:14 AM
Reminds me of that rumor that Pink Floyd was originally supposed to do the music for Ď2001 A Space Odysseyí, but Kubrick decided he didnít want the soundtrack to be dated by a modern sound, so he instead chose classical works for the music. Apparently all rumor though. Still, besides the original soundtrack I canít think of a more fitting band to backdrop music on such a movie as that.
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 21, 2018, 05:40:44 AM
More originals with guest artists, more Gershwin or finally the rock and roll album - I don't care. As long as there is more Brian Wilson in the world. Bring it on.

I can't say that I agree with the sentiment of putting out an album just for the sake of putting out an album. 

I'd rather wait for a quality product with the only guest stars having The Beach Boys on their resumes, and preferably original material.  Perhaps including the complete Life Suite. 

Though I agree Iíd rather have Beach Boys as guest artists than anyone else, I think ĎGuess You Had To Be Thereí is one of Brianís better solo songs of his whole career. So if he has guests appear on an upcoming album my only hope is that the quality is as good as GYHTBT.

It does make me wonder, if Brian were ever to complete that life suite - would he re-record the original TWGMTR tracks as covers, and then add the rest of the songs with his own band and Al?
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 05:34:31 AM
May I please ask about this one more time- after my original post in this thread, a user who was offended was calling me out in other threads that I wasn't a part of, and they also for whatever reason have multiple SSMB accounts and they used 2 accounts to talk smack to me.  Is one or both against the rules?  Will anything be done about that?

I would honestly call it a gray area: while two accounts arenít allowed, OldSurferDude had an old account here that he got banned from, iirc he lost his sign-in information after a long-time ban and made the Legendary account. After that the mods let him reset his password for his original account but OSD just started using his Legendary account as well. Iíd say since heís not trying to hide his original monicker with his newer account (everyone knows theyíre both OSD as both of their names imply) and everyone knows theyíre the same poster itís not really a problem.

As for him defending himself after you called his comment toxic pollution, as someone else said, you kinda put yourself in that situation. As for him dedicating a song to you, not sure if Iíd classify that as bullying but get clarification from GF or Billy about that. I think I mentioned it before, but PMing both mods may give you a quicker response.
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 21, 2018, 05:16:58 AM
5/5

That piano and melody are so peaceful. One of my favorite moments from the MIC boxset, and a complete surprise to me as Iíd never heard it before. I think Dennisí unreleased songs were the best part of that set.
40  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 05:10:45 AM
Donít know if anything will be done about what you ask for but this surley will happen:

Sixstringstool will log in with ten pages of babble when two sentences would do. Heíd pretend to be the worlds greatest detective since Columbo. Heíd spend two of those ten pages taunting to whoever about examples over and over, taunting like a first grade bully. Then ol sixstring would say bullshit and/or f*** over and over . Then pat himself on the back. Then the ten people who post regularly here would chime in.

This is what you can count on. The other mods blindly let sixstring do this over and over. No wonder long timers also left. But they let ol sixstring do this over and over. Real becoming of a mod.

Hey look guys itís that guy who isnít Steve Mayo but is Steve Mayoís friend who uses Steve Mayoís computer at Steve Mayoís house who conveniently shows up sometimes to moan about the moderation here.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 21, 2018, 04:56:31 AM
Interesting... wonder if it is Blondie guesting on Brianís record, or the other way around...

The cynic in me says itís the other way around. And by cynic, Iím more than stoked to hear a new song by Blondie, but honestly Iíd rather this be the start of a BW album.

But I think it more likely that Waddy Wachtel would be working with Blondie rather than Brian. But I hope someone can prove that wrong.
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: February 20, 2018, 08:09:59 PM
I was reading a post on Facebook, something about Mikeís reputation beginning to get better in 2018. But in it it mentioned Mike having to hire extra security for him and his family after the 2012 C50 ending because of death threats he was receiving. Iím assuming that was in his book (that I havenít read), just wondered if someone could confirm that. What a shame if thatís true. I get he has a bad reputation, but why on earth would anyone stoop that low?
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Oh! Those Girls & American Girls on: February 20, 2018, 07:59:28 PM
I have never understood why Mike could sound so unbelievably nasal between 1982-2005ish then have his voice improve. Was he trying to sound that way? Did he just not care and sang off key ( that's the vibe I get from many of his 80s/90s performances)?

What blows my mind is that he does this stuff, but then says in Melody Maker(?) that Brianís Ď88 album sounded like ďsh*tĒ because of the arrangements and lyrics. After hearing this stuff I donít think he was in any position to critique Brianís work.

But yeah, I think Mike always had it in him to do songs like ďDaybreakĒ and ďAll I Wanna DoĒ - he just chose not to use that voice often.
44  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: February 20, 2018, 07:49:13 PM
Thatís terrible! I briefly read some piece by Uma Thurman about how Quentin Tarantino basically ruined her acting career by forcing her to do some stunt and her back and neck havenít been right since. And sadly apparently the shot where she was injured doesnít even really show her. Hollywood does some cruel things to actors, actresses. I wonder if thatís why Van Dyke Parks got out of the movie business early on...
45  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: February 20, 2018, 05:06:39 PM
"The Wizard Of Oz" - expected entertaining adventurous family film. Instead, it's disappointingly dull. The "Judy meets stranger" scenes get by rather slowly. Skipped thru the film till its ending which could be the best thing. "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" is nice song sung very well by young Judy Garland. At the same time, it lacks sth. to dub it "great" imo
The

Wow, sorry you think this movie is dull.
It's such an iconic movie in America. Millions of us grew up looking forward to its being on TV every year.
I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog too; Follow the yellow brick road; Lions and tigers and bears, oh my! There's no place like home...
The songs by the Scarecrow, Tin Man and Cowardly Lion bring a smile and never grow old to me.
Judy Garland is amazing. And Toto too!

The Wizard of Oz is one of the creepiest/scariest movies Iíve ever seen. Itís actually one of my first memories seeing that on television and it had me creeped out for weeks. Those flying monkeys and that spooky Wizard...all of it just sent shivers down my spine. The untrue rumors I heard later of a munchkin killing himself on camera during filming didnít help either. Iíll still get in a mood if I see part of it in passing. I remember a friend saying that you can play Pink Floydís DSOTM alongside this movie and it fits perfectly, I never wanted to try it myself.

That being said, it is totally a staple in American cinema culture. Somewhere Over The Rainbow is one of the most beautiful songs ever, and Iíll listen to that occasionally. Also Toto is the cutest doggo.
46  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: February 20, 2018, 04:58:20 PM
We started watching "Transparent," and it's really enjoyable. I like Jeffrey Tambor quite a bit, I think he's a hilarious actor. (Arrested Development is one of my favorite shows ever.) It also raises plenty of little things to discuss around the house. Granted, I suspect the show's future is in doubt considering Tambor was accused of some sordid behavior as a part of the #MeToo wave, but we'll just have to see how that all works out. Anyway, I've still got three and a half seasons to go before I'm caught up.

As a huge fan of Arrested Developent myself, I just looked up if that sexual harassment claim was going to interfere with the new season...looks like it wonít. But Amazon officially stated that Tambor will not be back for another season of Transparent.
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
That thought makes me feel bad about drawing it actually LOL
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 12:55:57 PM
I think the real problem we're all secretly having is that the original comic wasn't this:

49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 12:09:45 PM
If you're trying to insinuate that I hijacked the thread, and not the string of 5 immediately preceding your original post that is ridiculous.

I think heís saying that posters had a right to defend the negative generalization made about this forum as a whole. Had KDS not been expressing his pent-up angst about this forum the past couple days on the PS forum I doubt this thread wouldíve veered off topic for 3 pages anyways.

I think people have a right to get annoyed at an out of place Mike jab (specifically my initial post here), but you opened a whole can of worms when you generalized the entire board.

Yes, sorry for projecting my pent up angst on another Beach Boys related board.   I think I had you pegged all wrong.   You are funny. 

No, whatís funny is you complaining that people post irrelevant negative comments here when you yourself post irrelevant passive aggressive comments about this forum in threads constantly on the PS Forum. Sorry if that irony escapes you, but its plain and simple for everyone else to see.

Constantly???   Give me a break.   I make a veiled reference to some absurd accusations thrown at me on SSMB a couple times, yet it's "constant."   

Here's a question.  If you have no interest in joining a forum, why bother lurking?  I post on both boards, as well as the BW Forum, and you'll see my opinions across both are pretty consistent. 

Its been far more than a couple times man. If youíve got a problem with me, with OSD, with anyone who told you that you hate Brian Wilson, then do come out and say it...just be blunt about it. But stop generalizing the entire forum - that is and has been and will be my only point to this rather monotonous conversation.

And I lurk because I like to keep an eye on what is being said in the fan community. I will not join or participate on a forum that has members who previously did some really awful sh*t...but to stay informed about the goings on I will lurk there.
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 11:55:05 AM
If you're trying to insinuate that I hijacked the thread, and not the string of 5 immediately preceding your original post that is ridiculous.

I think heís saying that posters had a right to defend the negative generalization made about this forum as a whole. Had KDS not been expressing his pent-up angst about this forum the past couple days on the PS forum I doubt this thread wouldíve veered off topic for 3 pages anyways.

I think people have a right to get annoyed at an out of place Mike jab (specifically my initial post here), but you opened a whole can of worms when you generalized the entire board.

Yes, sorry for projecting my pent up angst on another Beach Boys related board.   I think I had you pegged all wrong.   You are funny. 

No, whatís funny is you complaining that people post irrelevant negative comments here when you yourself post irrelevant passive aggressive comments about this forum in threads constantly on the PS Forum. Sorry if that irony escapes you, but its plain and simple for everyone else to see.
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