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26  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS PRODUCERS SHED LIGHT ON 1968 ARCHIVAL RELEASES on: January 08, 2019, 01:11:15 PM
Guitarfool mentioned the Sunshine Tomorrow set above, and as I recall there were people (deep in the fandom) a while before ST came out claiming that Carl Wilson was the one who produced the Wild Honey sessions. I don't know what basis they made these claims, but it was a complete falsehood that was based around this idea that Brian Wilson hung it up right after Smile. I'm glad people in-the-know are being open about how these tracks are breaking down these myths.
27  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love of the Beach Boys Presents The Girls of Kokomo..... on: January 08, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
Are we sure the Project Teach papers weren't just thrown into that folder as a joke? I know the above is 30 some years old, but I can't imagine such a press release (regarding teachers) being distributed in today's #MeToo and Millennial climate, for very good reasons. Nor can I really imagine it being released back in the 80s like this. It's like Drake starting some Teachers Scholarship program and putting pictures of girls twerking in the press release...It doesn't have anything to do with education!

And what exactly is/was The Girls of Kokomo?
28  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 08, 2019, 12:29:26 PM

Love love love it.

Brian sings so poignantly on this track, and the melding of the trumpet, harmonies, and the harpsichord (even if its a MIDI harpsichord) works perfectly. The fake harpsichord actually gives the album more whimsy - the original is almost creepy (although still beautiful) whereas the MIDI version has this bright charm to it that isn't on the '66 version.

5/5



To clarify, that is not a MIDI harpsichord sound, in fact far from it. The sounds heard on the studio version were some of the same sounds originally requested and custom-created for taking the Smile tour on the road. The harpsichord, Brian's detuned home piano heard all over Smiley and WH (and Friends), the mallet instruments like marimba/vibraphone, and others too...they were custom designed for the stage production so the sounds could be accessed and switched on the fly. The original studio tracks from 66-67 were used as the templates, and the technology used allowed the sounds to be shaped and built up according to the original reference recordings from the 60's. Kurzweil did the various jobs necessary to present Smile on stage as we saw and heard it, for reference just watch a Smile live video and check out the rigs they had on stage.

If I remember, those sounds designed for the road were done so well that they also went with them in the studio as heard on Wonderful, but that part can of course be clarified by those who were directly involved in the recordings. I just know personally who did the programming and shaping of those sounds, and he's one of the best in the business (someone I've known as a friend for 30 years and made music with in the past).

It was not MIDI, it was not a digital preset from a soundbank, etc - It was made specifically from and for the original tracks so they could be played live.

As far as the track on BWPS...Yes, 5 stars, but with an asterisk because I consider the more stripped down version heard on the GV box set to be one of the most beautiful recordings of all time, and I think all of that comic "rock with me henry" stuff cluttered it up too much...but the way it was presented in context on BWPS warrants the 5 stars since that's what Brian apparently wanted in '67 versus the more elegant version on that box set.

Thanks much, Guitarfool! When I got into Smile and started listening to BWPS I read a lot about how it was a MIDI harpsichord, and I remember reading quite a few angry comments about how "unfaithful" the BWPS harpsichord sound was to the original. Seeing Darian play the keyboard during those shows (and knowing nothing about how they put this show together) I didn't really question the idea that it was MIDI. Even based on the original instruments, I still say that it sounds so much brighter and charmed (for lack of a better term) than the original recordings, but that's probably due to the recording process?

Anyways, as always thanks for correcting that!
29  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS PRODUCERS SHED LIGHT ON 1968 ARCHIVAL RELEASES on: January 08, 2019, 12:14:30 PM

Mark Linett explained that following the early-'68 sessions for Friends, Brian Wilson's role in the Beach Boys changed significantly: "Everybody had to step up, because Brian -- either consciously or unconsciously -- was not going to assume the same role that he had all the way up through Friends. I think this set tends to dispel the myth that after Smile, y'know, Brian wasn't really producing and then the band stepped up. He's clearly working much more like he used to, but by the time of 20/20, both songwriting-wise and production-wise and out of necessity, y'know, everybody else had to get more involved. And Dennis -- more than anybody -- seemed ready as a writer and a performer to do that."


This quote stands out, and asks the questions how and why were the myths and outright falsehoods allowed to be written and stand for so long regarding Brian "dropping out" entirely after Smile to the point where it was suggested he basically did nothing but lay in bed after Smile was scrapped, or had such major addiction issues he was incapable of cutting a record after Smile. It sounds absurd, but those were the suggestions being offered for many years.

It's validation on several fronts to actually have the tapes to reference and for all to hear what actually went down, and to not only debunk the myths but effectively slam dunk them into the garbage bin of bad research and bad info for good. The same thing happened with the Sunshine Tomorrow set, once people could hear the audio, all the nonsense went down the drain.

Although I would add when the transition happened from the Friends album to what became 20/20, an element became more strong within the band's personal dynamics to where Brian's ideas were dismissed if not outright shot down, where that had existed in some forms previously but was not quite as prominent as it became over things like "Old Man River" and the like.

Initially was it because the story was more interesting that way? The media has a tendency to either distort or sensationalize reality for the benefit of getting more readers/viewers to buy their paper or watch their TV program. Brian laying in bed for years right after he abandoned his masterpiece makes for a juicy read or documentary.

And over the years this viewpoint became adopted by at least one member of the band (I guess to help the odds of financial gain in a lawsuit)...which is utterly absurd given that anyone with a decent knowledge of Beach Boys history can see right through this myth.

I think it just makes for a really interesting myth to tell people, and people with a vendetta against Brian seemed to run with it and also people who want to juice up their story/book (Rocky's recent book claims this myth too) aren't afraid to put this myth in.
30  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 08, 2019, 08:14:28 AM

Love love love it.

Brian sings so poignantly on this track, and the melding of the trumpet, harmonies, and the harpsichord (even if its a MIDI harpsichord) works perfectly. The fake harpsichord actually gives the album more whimsy - the original is almost creepy (although still beautiful) whereas the MIDI version has this bright charm to it that isn't on the '66 version.

5/5

31  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 08, 2019, 08:12:12 AM
The verse vocals in the final released version of H&V are too laid back; it almost sounds like he isn't trying to sell the song anymore, IMHO.

Right? Just listening to the openings of the Cantina version and the Smiley version, Brian is clearly more amped in the former. I guess that's the vibe he was going for with the Smiley material...but that style just falls flat for hit single potential.
32  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS PRODUCERS SHED LIGHT ON 1968 ARCHIVAL RELEASES on: January 08, 2019, 08:08:12 AM
Mark Linett admitted that he's still amazed at the amount of quality tracks the Beach Boys left in their wake with each and every studio album they recorded: "They selected what they thought was best and what they wanted to use and then just moved on. I think a lot of it just got forgotten. I've always said that the Beach Boys left more great material behind and on the cutting room floor, as it were, (laughs) than most bands, y'know, put on their records -- which is why we can do some of these things."

What's amazing is that, though Friends is my second favorite Beach Boys album, the material just gets better with albums like Sunflower. I can't imagine what gems lie in the vaults for that period of time.

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spotlighting Brian Wilson's last moments as the Beach Boys' primary driving force

It really was, wasn't it? I mean, he was at the helm for most of Love You but it really just feels like a Brian Wilson solo venture with some Beach Boys on it rather than a Beach Boys album. And Brian of '76 seems like a totally different animal than the Brian of '68.

Thanks for writing/sharing this Howie.
33  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 08, 2019, 07:55:12 AM
And the really sad/ironic part is - and this is just my opinion - Brian had a "single" mix of Heroes in early '67. The "Cantina" version, as first officially released on the Smiley/WH two-fer and on the GV box set...the Chuck Britz single mix. I still think that is the definitive version of that song, it has the ebb and flow of GV and the segments transition beautifully. It also has a really strong, "loud" sound to the mix, that could have been the final last stand of the Spector "Wall" had it come out. After this, that "Wall" wasn't going to translate as well to stereo, and fans wanted to buy stereo albums after 1967. That's the reality.

Totally agree about the Cantina mix. I think for my 'Love' album version of H&V I used the beginning of the Cantina mix. Something about Brian's vocal that mixes with that backing track, it's full of energy. Wasn't Brian continuously changing what singles he wanted to work on at this time? I remember something about how he kept switching his focus from Heroes and Villains to Vega-tables as a single.
34  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Entertainment Thread / Re: Your favourite movie clips on YouTube on: January 08, 2019, 07:33:44 AM
I'd say keep 'em short--no longer than, say, ten minutes. This is one I come back to again and again, the joyous party scene from the 2013 filming of The Great Gatsby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMsacoc9DnQ

I thought this was such a great adaptation of the book. It brought the vivid color (and the dark moments) of the novel to life. This is a great one to own on Blu Ray, btw.
_________

This scene from the Spielberg film 'Empire of the Sun' is one of the most touching moments in cinema I've ever seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFrGtlLH1Fw

Set in a Japanese run Prison camp in WWII, this specific scene shows that humanity at their core, even two opposing sides at war, can appreciate a unified love of something otherworldly (in this case: flying). This movie is full of these little moments. Definitely a desert island film for me.
35  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 07, 2019, 12:53:14 PM
Great post, Guitarfool.

Thinking out loud: Brian was/is a singles kind of guy. Even up to most recently in the 2010s he has stated that it is still his goal to get a number 1 single. In that span of two years ('64-'66) Brian had I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, and Good Vibrations that went #1, and in that same time period he had a slew of songs that were #3 and #2 on the charts.

Even though he was inspired by the cohesive album nature of Rubber Soul with Pet Sounds and Smile, he was probably still driven to get those radio hits, and the best way to do that is to make those singles.

I would love to know if Brian thought 'Heroes and Villains' was truly #1 material, whether somewhere in his mind he could hear a chart topping masterpiece in all of those fragments.
36  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 07, 2019, 12:35:01 PM
But - Cabinessence is one of the most monumental recordings of the past 60 years if not the pop era in general. What was great in 2004-5 was to hear it *in context* and not as a throwaway track grafted onto 20/20 because the band needed material. It sounded in its place and time versus sounding like a track that came down from Mars or something.

I think that's the most incredible thing about the whole of BWPS: all the pieces fit together and absolutely nothing sounds out of place. And that's such a crazy thing to pull off on an album of 17 songs whose style ranges from Americana, Hawaiian, harmony/barbershop, experimental/mainstream pop, almost rap ("Abash and forth a starboard course with north abeam, sherry of course"), classical, children's music (barnyard), experimental/horror, and I don't even know what to classify 'Surf's Up' as. The entirety completely fits together yet the styles are all so varied. And Cabin Essence seems to be be all of this in one song (it has the rhythmic drive and "edit" style of 'Good Vibrations', the 'Truck Drivin Man' is akin to the 'On A Holiday' rap, the coda is like some Americana fused with India fused with classical).
37  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 07, 2019, 10:22:20 AM
“Wonderful” is just the 1966 recording of the song; which in my opinion is complete enough.

That's good to hear. The "Rock with me, Henry" version always intrigued me - it's one of those bits that I'd love to know more about regarding who came up with that idea and why. I'm not the biggest fan of that version though, so I'm glad it won't be included in this mix.
38  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: January 07, 2019, 10:16:47 AM
Went to the show in Santa Rosa on the 22nd. Really good stuff, lots of energy. Brian wasn't super into it, but his leads on stuff like Christmasey and God Only Knows were pretty great. Had a coughing fit into the microphone early on. Was really hobbling to and from the piano, hope his back is doing okay.... Top notch backing band, as always. Rob did a great job on guitar & vocals. Was my first time seeing them since the Jeff Beck tour and I got to say I 100% did NOT miss Foskett screeching over the top of everybody.

PS I hate Christmas music but this show was killer. Glad to see Blondie & Al still playing with the big guy. Bring on Pleasure Island!!!

This is great to hear! Thanks for the review
39  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 07, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
5/5

I can't imagine how hard it was to try and emulate the original sound of this track, but Brian's band did a stellar job of it. This re-recording has that "new" feel to it, but it is as close to the original as you can get for being a cover.
40  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Brian's live perfomances on: January 05, 2019, 10:38:11 AM
I've been reading the reviews of Brian's Christmas shows and they seem to range from "Brian should hang it up" to "not as bad as I thought it would be". This board seems to be more forgiving, the "other" board, harsher. The last time I saw Brian live was 2015 and he sounded very good, this was prior to his "talk-singing" phase. I didn't go to the Christmas shows but I went on youtube and listened to Brian singing "On Christmas Day" in Bergan, NJ and it was very good , no talk singing just Brian singing doing a great job. Now I know people say that this talk-singing is something Brian does when he's bored, think Pet Sounds, but it's obvious Brian can bring it when he wants to. Somebody,I don't know who, needs to take him aside and say "knock it off and sing". I've loved this guy for almost fifty years but this kind of live performance is just wrong and unfair to people who pay good money to see BRIAN WILSON. I'm really not there to see  Al Jardine, Blondie Chaplin, or whoever is singing Brian's leads and falsetto but I'm going to see BRIAN WILSON. Love Al, like Blondie, don't care who's singing falsetto as long as it's on key, I'm there for Brian.

I think it's in the Stebbin's FAQ book, but I think Jon witnessed Brian getting a "talking to" behind the scenes during a show. It is one of those things I read and my stomach kinda drops because it does harken back a bit to the Landy era. I don't know how frequent those "talking to"s were, or if that was a one time thing. But the idea of Brian Wilson being talked to like a child is something that rests uneasy with me.

I went to a great Pet Sounds show a couple years ago, was Brian doing the talking-singing thing? For the Pet Sounds bit yeah, and he was singing off key a couple times, but man was that the most energetic show I'd been to. I don't know what the recent shows are like, but if that energy is still high then audience goers should sit back and enjoy the ride. It's funny, because in those other places that are more likely to criticize Brian's shows you'll hear the praises of Mike's band yet Mike himself can't really keep a tune given what I've seen in recent videos (I mean, there are some who trash Brian's solo records but hilariously gush over Mike's recent Christmas album). So some criticism I don't even take into account due to the obvious bias.

And frankly, if Brian is bored, he shouldn't be touring then anyways, or else, make a concert that caters to HIS wants as a performer. This is my armchair quarterback take on things, and I'm completely uneducated about this stuff, so take it with a grain of salt. Brian wants to make a rock and roll record? He should make a rock and roll record. Make it his way, let Darian mix the thing, let Brian be 100% in control of the content. Just my opinion.
41  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 04, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
Awesome work and I love the sound of this! The lo-fi mix really adds a punch to the heavier parts (especially the chorus and outro of 'Cabin Essence').

So it has been AGES since I've read up on Smile and Brian's ideas for putting these "modules" of sound together from different songs. Can you explain the source(s) of your module edits, how much of this was your ideas vs how much is vintage? Pardon if that's asking too much, I know you explained your sources, but I'm just so out of the loop anymore with Smile stuff, I don't even remember hearing about the '66 tape compilation!

I really love the mix and I need to find some free time to really give the Side-A a good listen. Standout moments: 7:10 and beyond is just stellar, the transition at 11:25 feels like DYLW and Cabin Essence are part of the same song - you really get a good feel for the modular edit style Brian talked about.

I can't wait to hear side B!

Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed it! Side B is much wilder. There is an online resource called “Record Mecca” that auctioned contemporary acetates of The Beach Boys’ “Smile” sessions that once belonged to Durrie Parks. There are one or two sides that transition “Who Ran The Iron Horse” to the verse of “Heroes and Villains”. In January 1967, an experimental edit of the verse of “Heroes and Villains” was assembled that quickly transitioned to “Bridge To The Indians”. That edit was featured on “The Smile Sessions” box. Since “Bridge To The Indians” in title and key-change implies a transition to the first part of “Do You Like Worms”, that’s an area where I valued some creative liberty in terms of sequencing. Jules Siegel published an article about the “Smile” sessions called “Goodbye Surfing, Hello God” in October 1967 where he describes an October 1966 dinner party where Brian Wilson played guests some acetates of “Smile” material; with the first section of “Do You Like Worms” segueing into the “Grand Coolie” section of “Cabin Essence”, and then the “Who Ran The Iron Horse” section followed by “Barnyard” from “Heroes and Villains”. I sequenced the sections mostly in accordance with the information I have presented, but I n no way am I claiming my “Smile” fan-edit is the most accurate or most likely form “Smile” would have been realized towards in 1967, but I am fairly satisfied with it, as I hope you all are too.

So these acetates were made public? What year did that happen? I remember hearing about Durrie selling them in a garage sale at one point but never heard anything else about the matter. I guess they made it into some good hands?

A year or two ago I stored away much of my Beach Boys books, including Look Listen Vibrate Smile which includes the Siegel piece. I may have to dig those out soon and revisit those articles and books. Priore's book about the "Lost Masterpiece" is fantastic, though at times full of a lot of misinformation, it still sheds some amazing light on what zany things were going on with Brian and his crew during this time.

Thanks so much for the response! Every now and then there will be a SMiLE mix that rekindles my love of this album. Again, I can't wait to hear side-B! How will you be piecing together 'Wonderful'?
42  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike being comfortable with Bruce appearing on: January 04, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
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I recall seeing clips of Dave being handed assorted BB albums he didn’t play on to sign during the C50 and thinking that’s not right. It was probably easier to sign them than not I guess.
What made you think it isn't right? It's very easy thing to do, wouldn't hurt & be skin off him if he signs albums he isn't pictured. Doesn't seem big deal. Besides, even if he didn't play, say, Pet Sounds, he'd been BB when they began & the band going to different path with PS without him didn't & will not brush it away.

I mean, part of me thinks that it could be slightly hurtful to Dave: having been pushed out of the band (I guess he quit, but I think it was due to Murry's bullying behavior) and now he's handed albums to sign that he could have played on had he stayed with the band post-'63

Like, if an NFL player were traded to another team, and his initial team then went on to win the Super Bowl, and during some NFL Convention he's asked to sign a replica Super Bowl trophy commemorating the win that he missed out on, it would probably be offensive and hurtful to the player...both that the "fan" didn't know that he wasn't on the team at that time, and that he is now reminded yet again that he wasn't around for this ultimate Championship victory.

So, I can see how it could be hurtful. That being said, I think Dave was probably just happy that he was a part of the C50 and that he was in the fandom spotlight again. Just my uneducated take on the matter.
43  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Smile - Acetate Mix on: January 04, 2019, 09:14:33 AM
Awesome work and I love the sound of this! The lo-fi mix really adds a punch to the heavier parts (especially the chorus and outro of 'Cabin Essence').

So it has been AGES since I've read up on Smile and Brian's ideas for putting these "modules" of sound together from different songs. Can you explain the source(s) of your module edits, how much of this was your ideas vs how much is vintage? Pardon if that's asking too much, I know you explained your sources, but I'm just so out of the loop anymore with Smile stuff, I don't even remember hearing about the '66 tape compilation!

I really love the mix and I need to find some free time to really give the Side-A a good listen. Standout moments: 7:10 and beyond is just stellar, the transition at 11:25 feels like DYLW and Cabin Essence are part of the same song - you really get a good feel for the modular edit style Brian talked about.

I can't wait to hear side B!
44  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 03, 2019, 09:51:38 AM
Today's song is Heroes And Villains:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9We8nzt1gJE

The first time I heard the "Boys and Girls" section I knew that this was going to be a very special album. This version doesn't trump the original recordings, however, I find it to be genuinely "happier" (joyful? gleeful?) sounding than the original recordings.

I think I prefer the originals to this due to the earlier vocals (actual Beach Boys) and Brian nailed the 'River Deep Mountain High' vibe that he was going for. Whereas the BWPS version is more atmospheric due to the mix. Still a great track to start the album off with.

4/5
45  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Discuss & Rate Brian Wilson Songs Day by Day on: January 01, 2019, 05:41:45 AM
Our Prayer/Gee, I give it a 4. It is impossible to sound like the vintage beach boys, but Brian’s band did a great job doing those harmonies while making the sound their own.

BWPS is one of the few albums that I have to listen to all the way through or not at all. And hearing this song gets me excited that I’m about to listen to a sonic adventure that cascades across spectrums of emotions and thoughts. I kinda want to hear this album now...
46  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Surfer Girl (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: December 31, 2018, 11:56:12 AM
Meant to respond to this! Absolutely love it like the others.

What program do you use to compile/master the two tracks?
47  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1969-70 Copyright Extension Release Prediction Thread on: December 31, 2018, 09:04:49 AM
A couple thoughts:

Bob Dylan (whatever labels are used for the Bootleg Series) does this thing with streaming services where places like Spotify or Apple Music get a "sample" of the boxset. Why not do that exact thing for these releases? If not much money is made with Spotify/Apple Music then why not upload a "sample" album with like 10 tracks, don't include the best ones, and then make it available for download on iTunes and other downloading services? If buying the digital downloads are key to keeping these releases going, then make the incentive greater for fans to buy it - and it's just as easy as going the Bob Dylan route and not making them totally available for free to listen to on Youtube.

May I also say to Alan and Mark that if you would prefer not to release a set one year for some reason, you might prefer to release all of it at once, that way there is no more injustice around the Beach Boys' legacy. Just a small suggestion, to release it all with a box set, instead of stopping all releases abruptly.

I'm picturing a double-sided boxset of Surf's Up and Sunflower...comes with both albums on vinyl, 2 CDs for each album with outtakes, demos, a cappella, and instrumentals. Heck, make a bonus disc of 'Landlocked' - what Surf's Up would have sounded like if Dennis' songs hadn't been removed. These are two of the greatest unknown albums the Beach Boys ever created. If any post-Smile album(s) deserve a boxset it is Surf's Up and Sunflower. Make them into one boxset and DO NOT put them up on streaming services and youtube for at least a year (go the 10 song sample route).

Also, I wonder if the Made In California boxset was the tipping point for Capitol to end the boxset releases for the Beach Boys? For some reason I think it didn't get the greatest of sales. But yet the SMiLE Boxset was on the Amazon charts for a good long while, if I recall correctly. MiC is a terrible barometer of possible boxset success for this band as many of us owned the majority of the songs on that boxset anyways, and thus were more unlikely to buy it (I got it, but it really wasn't a necessity as the Smile Boxset was). And many hardcore fans don't really dig Friends and 20/20 that much either, so it's hard to expect people to shell out money for songs they don't really care for in the first place. But Sunflower and Surf's Up? They are legends in the music community as a whole, making it on Rolling Stone lists and plenty other top-album lists. You've got a goldmine with those two albums, but the people who release this stuff need to be smart about how they do it.

Anywho, those are my thoughts about it all. I think the releases that Alan, Mark, and others have worked so hard on since MiC have been incredible, and I think that they deserve our support. I also think that people who run the finances ought to be shown the possible success of the Sunflower/Surf's Up material, and how it, of anything post-Smile, deserves a boxset.
48  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 28, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
It just dawned on me that there is a great fuzz guitar part that is buried in the mix during the chorus.

I would've had to have heard this with previous listens, but I don't think I ever acknowledged it. Man there's so much in this mix, I don't want to say "buried" in the mix because much of the atmospherics are intentionally nestled lower in the mix over the vocals. All the more reason for that Sunflower boxset...
49  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: All I Wanna Do - What were The BBs trying to achieve with it? on: December 27, 2018, 05:35:23 AM
The bridge is one of my favorite parts!

Gah, I wish I could love it! At 1:36-1:41 (where the “dit dit” vocals start) there’s just something that doesn’t sound right to my ears. Then again, there’s a part in the chorus of ‘Private Life of Bill and Sue” that I think is sung off-key that no one else hears, so I’m sure it’s my ears not translating the sound correctly.
50  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Was there an original cover for Sweet Insanity on: December 26, 2018, 05:53:28 PM
One interesting question to ponder: what would the fate of the album have been had it actually been released, with regards to reissues and just plain old acknowledgement of its existence? Obviously the title is in bad taste (and almost certainly a Landy idea too), and seeing as Landy's name has been removed from previous BBs/BW releases, would this album be treated much like SIP, where it's not even acknowledged in the BW catalog in an "official" capacity?
It probably wouldn't have been on online streaming service, just like Gettin' In Over My Head.

Why isn't Gettin' In Over My Head on any online streaming service?

I was just thinking about this the other day. I wondered if it was the record company (Rhino) just not allowing their music to be streamed (as some I think do). But a quick search and Rhino definitely distributes on streaming services.

I can’t imagine it’s because someone thinks it’s not worth bothering with. It’s not the best album but it’s got some pretty decent songs on it too. Would love to see this and Roxy put up.
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