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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: Today at 02:35:21 PM
I remember being at a live Q&A with Brian where he said he'd never heard POB before. I think it's kinda cool that whoever is typing for him is writing exactly what he says.
I wouldn't be surprised if Brian typed everything.

I’m pretty sure on previous Q&As Brian speaks the answer and someone types it for him. Probably a lot faster that way.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: Today at 08:23:58 AM
Brian was asked about the boxed set on the live Q&A he's doing on Facebook. His response? "Feel Flows I don't know about that"

Brian probably couldn't care less

In the context that this was a Facebook Q&A that probably dragged Brian away from his usual routine, I completely agree. That being said, I do agree with CD that Brian definitely cares about this music and the legacy of his bothers. So I am very sure that Brian cares about this set, but this was a Facebook Q&A, and Brian is beyond known for giving the most quick and easy answers to this type of questioning.

Brian probably just wanted to see how many pages of speculation would be written up on SS if he said 7 words dismissing the set Grin

It honestly wouldn't really be that surprising if he really doesn't know anything about the box set.   Thud

He knows about the set. And he did in-depth interviews for the liner notes - there is no way he did those interviews without any context of what the interviews were for.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 17, 2020, 08:28:19 AM
People going on about a 60th anniversary album and I’m just sitting here waiting for the release of Pleasure Island 30 years after it was announced...

Free Pleasure Island!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 15, 2020, 12:24:03 PM
Reports on Endless Harmony that there was an offer for a 60th anniversary album.
I asked, was Brian and Al’s refusal related to the circular firing squad episode that then held up  Feels Flows.

I have little doubt that Brian and Al considered the stress of dealing with a bandmate with narcissistic personality disorder, and decided against it. Who needs that kind of stress when pushing 80? Not them.

Mike has burned all of his bridges.

Here is the quote from EH, written by SaltyMarshmallow, if anyone is interested:

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I guess the implication was lost on the last page, but apparently I have the green light to say it now: according to a reliable source (someone who works at Capitol), the group were approached about doing another reunion album earlier this year. Brian and Al both flat-out said no.

And I agree, CD. I think TWGMTR is a perfect send off from the band, and Brian had already wanted to do a follow-up album years ago which was refused by Mike due to the “writing alone in a room with Brian” thing (I think).

Would any of you want to be alone in a room with a guy who berates your wife and talks sh*t about your mental health to the press? *edit, I think many wouldn’t mind using the room as a UFC cage for a while, but in Brian’s case, I think he just wants to be free of Mike for good.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 12, 2020, 05:36:30 PM
Thanks Billy. I cannot wait for the day when every single one of us has this set and we’re talking about the wonderful things on it! Hopefully it’s soon!
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 12, 2020, 04:43:38 PM
Yep, can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen the rules broken here regarding politics, specifically:

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2) Debate is fine; when it crosses into personal attacks, it becomes a different matter.   Publicly posting calls for members to be banned or for members to quit will not be tolerated. Any concerns should be addressed privately to the moderators.  Expletives or personal insults directed at other board members and/or moderators will not be allowed as signature lines, status, or as part of a poster's account profile when posting to the board. Any violations of this will result in a ban.Each case will be looked at on an individual basis.

6)Harrassment via unwarranted posting or via PM will not be tolerated. If someone has a beef with another member, taking it to private message is preferred rather than clogging the main board up. However, if recipient of said message asks the sender to stop contacting them, it needs to. Further contact after that will be addressed on an individual basis.

And they always get away with it. And who are the people doing the attacking? It’s the people calling the other people with different beliefs “fascist” “pricks”. Please for the love of it look up the definition of fascist before you use the term again.

Ban me for bringing up politics again, so be it. I’m with mtaber, I’m out of here anyways if people are going to continue to bring up politics in such a harassing and intolerant way.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 12, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
Good on him though. You got to be a particular heinous prick to have voted Trump, not for his politics really but because of his completely unacceptable conduct as president and person.

Too bad we can’t all be the tolerant and peaceful type that wishes emotional suffering on those with different viewpoints.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why is Gettin' In Over My Head so hard to hear?? on: November 11, 2020, 10:07:51 AM
If discoverability isn’t crucial to your streaming experience, Apple Music (and YouTube music to a much lesser extent) is perfect for Beach Boys fans...and I say this because they have a 100,000 song upload limit - meaning you can upload all your bootlegs, all the albums that aren’t available via streaming (including Summer In Paradise).

I have a lot of my favorite SMiLE bootleg albums, rarities, Getting In Over My Head, etc, uploaded to my library so I can listen to them anywhere, anytime from the cloud.

I also recommend YouTube Premium which gives you an ad-free YouTube experience (and you can download YouTube videos for offline viewing) and YouTube music (though I think the song upload limit is 10,000 which is considerably less than Apple Music). But there are hundreds if not thousands of beach boys rarities on YouTube that you can put into playlists and listen to uninterrupted.

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: November 09, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
True. Honestly that’s the only reason why this thread is still open

At the same time, the concert is done, the election is over. The only posts that have been made since the concert took place have had zero relevancy to The Beach Boys and are only bringing more division to the board. I support locking the thread if people are just going to continue being completely intolerant, rude, and disrespectful to fellow posters.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 09, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
I just uploaded a copy of a Smile bootleg onto YouTube. Funnily enough, the piano demo of Surf's Up was tagged as the "Brian Wilson Lead Vocal 2019 Mix" some people are getting. Yes, the claim did include the entire first movement (with a different melody and ending to the backing track) and the falsetto outro from it, so this might suggest it's NOT a re-remix of the Smile Sessions version, but rather something closer to a '67 Surf's Up.

That's not how the site's copyright detection works, it'd only take a few seconds of similar audio for the algorithm to find something to flag.

All of my production recreation videos get flagged initially, and not only are they not the original recordings, but are often missing huge chunks of instrumentation and vocals.  YouTube's AI is a big dumb brute at the moment.

Some Youtubers have resorted to changing the pitch and speed of certain sound recordings and movie clips to try and trick the algorithm/detection software. It makes me wonder if YouTube has changed the algorithm/detection system enough to where it also detects sound-alikes for the sake of weeding out the people who try to cheat the system.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: November 09, 2020, 07:06:58 AM
Duplicate post.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: November 09, 2020, 07:05:16 AM
To be clear, I never “wished death” on anyone. I said “what if”.  Cabinessence did express delight in the suffering of others.  

My bad, I misread your post...and I didn’t think you wished death on anyone. Someone here did wish coronavirus on another member, which is what I thought you were referring to.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: November 09, 2020, 06:37:53 AM
Tongue in cheek?  If I told someone on here to get coronavirus and die, would it be ok because it could be “tongue in cheek”?

I think Sam was referring to cabinessenceking’s post because it was so unbelievably crass that it couldn’t possibly be for real.

That being said, there have been so many unbelievably rude comments in this thread that clearly aren’t tongue-in-cheek (such as the coronavirus one - though the poster never wished death on the guy, mtaber, may want to edit your post). I hope many who have posted in this thread will be able to one day look back on their posts and feel a morsel of remorse for their comments aimed at fellow human beings.

Every single one of you have brought some kind of informative, comical, and/or good-natured fun to this forum - but man, when it comes to politics it’s like a switch is turned and some of you forget that we are all human beings with thoughts, feelings, reasons for believing the things that we believe, different personalities.

Many of us may disagree on certain things, but please remember that the more we hate our fellow man, the darker the world becomes. I’m not saying you have to roll over and agree with a viewpoint that you legitimately can’t comprehend, but instead of pure hatred perhaps see that not every person who doesn’t share your viewpoint is a completely lost degenerate unworthy of any kind of respect or decency.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: November 08, 2020, 09:40:05 AM
Where has joe blow been. Feel like he hasn’t posted lately. Must be busy.

Yeah, I feel like since Feel Flows got confirmed (but no details) the site has slowed down a lot. I’ve noticed Guitarfool hasn’t been around in a while, too.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 31, 2020, 09:54:57 AM
Things are good. It's moving forward.

A huge extra repeated thanks is owed to Howie and the team of folks behind the scenes (Boyd, Linett, etc.) who do more to make this stuff happen than you'll ever know.

And I think the fans who have kept the discussion going on this and kept it on the public/internet radar should also offer themselves and each other a thanks as well. It truly *has* made a difference. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. I know we'll all stay vigilant/cautiously optimistic, etc. as things move forward. We all know with the BBs that we're never fully out of the woods until the product is out there in our figurative if not literal hands. But this latest news is good. I'm glad folks know that things are moving forward now.

The behind the scenes stories are interesting, and always ongoing, and there will be plenty of time in the future to ruminate on all of that. Right now, let's get this material in our ear holes....
Do we know if a 2020 physical release off the table yet, or still a possibility?

From a post of his October 12:

Hopefully it all gets sorted out and we have this thing by shorts weather.

So now we know it has been sorted out and is moving forward, but I'm wondering if too much time has passed for this to be released this year. Howie's shorts weather comment makes me think it'll be next year - but I'm not sure how the copyright snag fits into this. Hopefully we get some details soon.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / Smile Sessions Box Set (2011) / Re: All things TSS packaging, presentation and booklet etc on: October 31, 2020, 09:49:47 AM
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Can the lightup box be bought anywhere in 2020?

I don’t believe so – if memory serves, thebeachboys.com's store finally removed their listing for the Light Up sets sometime in very late 2018.

I saw one for sale on Discogs earlier this year, but that particular listing seems to have been removed (it couldn't have sold because it would be listed within the “last sold” category on the Light Up Edition’s Discogs page if it did). That was the only one I’ve seen come up for sale in the past few years. They haven’t popped up on eBay either. I’m curious how much one might sell for now that they’re not readily available for purchase anymore.

It’s funny you should say that, there are things I’ve bought on discogs that don’t appear on the “last sold” box, so it’s one of many things broken on that site

Anyway, I’m looking for a light up box if anyone’s selling :-)

You are likely looking for a vintage version, but I swear I remember someone actually making their own light up box many years ago (using the currently available 3D box) to save some money. Given how small they make LEDs and battery packs these days I don't think it would be too hard to pull this off...that is, if you're just wanting one as a display piece and not as a vintage collectable.

I checked on a couple sites and couldn't find anything, but I hope one pops up for you!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 28, 2020, 03:42:37 PM
Hypocrisy and irony from the speaker in question will undercut any possibly valid point. And I'm not even fully into stipulating that Mike's underlying point was valid. I think his point or points were muddled. He's calling out the institution and its members, yet then criticizing people for not partaking in the event, and patting himself on the back for showing up. Everything apart from not showing up that Mike was calling out in the speech was something he was partaking in himself. He was in a tux, participating, rubbing elbows, etc.

THIS. Also,

Mike was a drunken asshole that night....

This is probably the most on-point simplistic explanation for that night. You could even take out “drunken” and that post would still explain much of Mike’s actions for the last 3 decades when dealing with Brian.


If Mike wasn't so incredibly smug, self-righteous, and defensive about the speech in hindsight, not to mention being that way about practically everything he's ever done with the band, people would probably dislike him a good degree less. I think many fans of this band, if not most, have forgiveness in their hearts, but it's awfully hard to forgive somebody who doesn't fess up to acting like an absolute asshat. Or to hurting others. And just keeps doing both, repeatedly, like it ain't no thing.

You’re absolutely right, and if Mike even showed one small morsel of remorse for his actions that night (and for future actions/statements) he would not be vilified as much (if at all). We are all human and we all screw up - but most of us have the ability to take responsibility for our screw ups - most of us can admit that we screw up (especially when our screw ups are placed out in the open).

And it’s not even that Mike is an evil person because he doesn’t admit this. It’s probably more that very few people can even relate to that mindset. In fact, most of us dislike that kind of behavior because most of us know people personally like that, and it’s irritating as hell to work or live around someone who can’t accept any blame for a problem that they caused.

It’s just such an odd juxtaposition: I’d fully expect this behavior from Axl Rose or some other crazy leader of an out-of-control rock band. But it instead comes from a member of the (mostly) wholesome band that brought us the most incredible love album of all time (Pet Sounds) during a speech that was supposedly about “harmony” that instead instantly morphed into conveying the opposite of harmony in only a way Mike Love himself could do. But then you realize that this is The Beach Boys and mostly everything this band does makes little sense in regards to anything logical.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 28, 2020, 02:54:22 PM
Hypocrisy and irony from the speaker in question will undercut any possibly valid point. And I'm not even fully into stipulating that Mike's underlying point was valid. I think his point or points were muddled. He's calling out the institution and its members, yet then criticizing people for not partaking in the event, and patting himself on the back for showing up. Everything apart from not showing up that Mike was calling out in the speech was something he was partaking in himself. He was in a tux, participating, rubbing elbows, etc.

THIS. Also,

Mike was a drunken asshole that night....

This is probably the most on-point simplistic explanation for that night. You could even take out “drunken” and that post would still explain much of Mike’s actions for the last 3 decades when dealing with Brian.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 28, 2020, 08:45:21 AM
90 pages, 2,289 posts - and that’s without any detailed information about this release.

Imagine the traffic when we start getting the details. Awaiting that pre-order on Amazon eagerly...
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: October 28, 2020, 06:30:55 AM
Rock! Brian, Dennis, & Carl w00t! w00t! w00t!

Thanks so much Howie! Thank you for your hard work, and thank you to everyone behind the scenes who worked to get this thing going. I am smiling ear to ear right now Grin
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 28, 2020, 06:29:39 AM
To illustrate that Mike Love having a point and making what I consider to be a cool speech, is not mutually exclusive to also being a hypocrite and a jerk.

I’m using familiar “Yeh but ...” statements that are used to discredit a thing, like many posters are doing here w/ Mike’s speech. That is to say, “he’s a dick and a hypocrite” doesn’t mean the speech doesn’t have valid points.

The Beach Boys are regular working class people, we still perform, we set aside our differences to be here, we’re for harmony in the world- whereas the rock n roll elite think they’re better than everyone else- and loosely equating the attitude of the rock elite with the greater attitude of the Western world.

“Unfortunately, [our differences] haven’t been [settled], so I would feel like a complete hypocrite waving and smiling with (Harrison and Starr) at a fake reunion.” - Paul McCartney about not attending the event.

Diana Ross, having had a baby not too long before, cited personal reasons for not going to the event. She also said that she was honored for being inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Ross’ spokesperson said this about the speech, which I think sums it up perfectly: “If his speech was intended to be about harmony, it had totally the opposite effect. It was divisive, judgmental, misguided and at times venomous.”

Boasting about the amount of touring you do compared to other artists does nothing to prove a point about harmony.

Mike berating the Rock n Roll elite for not being in harmony? He merely called out some hard-working artists, some of whom chose not to be there for their own personal reasons. Calling a fellow artist “chickenshit”? That’s not cool, it’s just crass.

Perhaps Paul thought he was doing the world a favor by not showing up in a foul mood. Perhaps Diana really did want to stay home with her baby.

The biggest takeaway from Mike’s speech didn’t come from Mike, but from Bob Dylan’s critique of Mike’s speech: “Peace, love and harmony is important indeed, but so is forgiveness.”

Perhaps Mike did have a point about harmony buried beneath those layers of venom and divisive statements, but those statements did so much more harm than good for the harmony he was supposedly attempting to promote. And thus, I just don’t see how any of what he said was cool or rebellious (as others have previously argued) when in the end it just seemed to hurt rather than heal.

Again, the obvious hypocrisy is that Mike is supposedly claiming to “set aside differences” for the sake of harmony in his own band but yet he himself couldn’t set aside the differences he had with those attending and not attending the event. Harmony isn’t achieved by berating others for not being in harmony.

It reminds me of this video I saw of a pastor going ballistic on his own congregation for not being Christian/loving enough: he’s up in the pulpit saying hateful things to those in his congregation whom he feels morally superior to...it’s just blatantly hypocritical.

Yeah.  Why is it that those who scream the loudest for love and tolerance and proclaim themselves champions against hatred always seem to be the most hateful of the bunch?

Right??
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 27, 2020, 07:42:38 PM
Again, the obvious hypocrisy is that Mike is supposedly claiming to “set aside differences” for the sake of harmony in his own band but yet he himself couldn’t set aside the differences he had with those attending and not attending the event. Harmony isn’t achieved by berating others for not being in harmony.

It reminds me of this video I saw of a pastor going ballistic on his own congregation for not being Christian/loving enough: he’s up in the pulpit saying hateful things to those in his congregation whom he feels morally superior to...it’s just blatantly hypocritical.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 27, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
All one has to do is look at the photos of Carl taken while he is watching Mike give the speech. He looks mortified and is giving the famous "look".

Yeah definitely. And now it’s solidified in Beach Boys lore as one of the most embarrassing episodes for the band (which is saying a lot). And of course the Lovester has no remorse for it.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 27, 2020, 03:32:08 PM
I think I’ll visit a web forum for Trump and a web forum for Biden and see if they’re discussing nothing but Mike Love...

You're right, this topic needs to get back to the Beach Boys. Mike's inarguably a tool for playing the show against the wishes of Brian and Al.

I'd really like to know how he'd justify that, not just playing the show because he likes Trump, but how he thinks it's fine and ethically dandy to use the brand name to promote such a divisive candidate (whether one likes Trump or not, it cannot be argued he is more divisive than any candidate in any of our lifetimes), and did it AGAINST THE WISHES of Brian and Al.

Would love to hear Mike explain how that's fine.  

Is there ANY explanation Mike could give other than "I did it because I can, and the feelings of Brian and Al don't matter to me?"

Agreed. But it’s probably his same attitude that kept him from pulling out of the trophy hunting gig after Trump jr decided to take pathetic jabs at Brian. He clearly doesn’t care about the feelings of Brian or Al. I think of all the garbage that went on before that trophy hunting show, but to me the “proud I triggered another Hollywood liberal” line was the worst part of that. And I say that because whether or not you agree with trophy hunting, Mike absolutely should have stuck up for his cousin and ditched the gig after that comment.

Brian didn’t want The Beach Boys name (and subsequently his very own songs) associated with the killing of animals (which, Mr. Pacific Ocean Blues should have completely understood), and did what any rational person would’ve done: protested the show. And then he got mocked for it by one of the main guys at the event. But Mike went on with the show regardless.

And it’s completely similar in this case: regardless of how you feel about Trump, in this day and age the music of The Beach Boys should not be tethered to a certain political party or campaign. Even if there was some Transcendental Meditation party that was running on the platform of harmony and peace. Just leave the music out of all of this garbage. And given how one of the Trumps already mocked Brian freaking Wilson I would hope that Mike would stay as far from them as possible. But again, he clearly doesn’t care about Brian’s feelings. And he’s proved this time and time and time again in the last 5 decades.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Trump fundraiser in Orange County featuring Mike and 'The Beach Boys' on: October 27, 2020, 03:19:57 PM
I want to thank Mike Love for his continued uncanny ability to invent new and novel ways of making me embarrassed to be a Beach Boys  fan, well into the 21st Century!
I think Mike does these things just to get his name in the headlines. Remember his speech at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? He's never shown any remorse for that; in his view, it was good publicity for the Beach Boys, who were going to be overshadowed by the Fab Four and Robert Zimmerman. "I'm gonna make sure all the headlines aren't about Ms. Ross and Macca not showing up".


I actually think Mike’s speech at the HOF was kinda cool.

Most didn't, both in the audience and in the public. It cemented his poor reputation, and the speech is even more ironic and hypocritical now in retrospect. Objectively, it did nothing good for the band or Mike.

There are ways to give a punk-attitude, tell-it-like-it-is, rebellious speech at the R&R HOF. Mike's speech was not that. He called out Mick Jagger for not being there even though Jagger was there. He patted himself on the back for doing more gigs per year than the deceased John Lennon. He called out McCartney and Diana Ross for being hung up on lawsuits, even though Mike did and does have a world-famous reputation for being litigious. Mike set up Bob Dylan and Elton John to give better speeches/one-liners in response to Mike's speech.

You said it far better than I could. I’ve never understood the opinion that Mike’s actions at the HoF were punk or rebellious (or cool). The speech was hypocritical while he was giving the speech: he was chastising others for not being in harmony and went on to berate a slew of artists seconds later (and as you pointed out, his jabs didn’t even make sense). Not to mention his antics while a clearly stage-frightened Brian was trying to give a speech.
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