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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: June 21, 2019, 01:29:17 PM
^ Brilliantly stated, CD

Completely agree. Also, thanks Guitarfool for making all that crystal clear about the Landy situation.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: June 21, 2019, 04:47:26 AM
As far as what Brian says to interviewers or on social media, I keep remembering during the Landy years how Brian told everybody that "Dr Landy saved my life", and when Landy's ethics were questioned, Brian always stood up for him. If it's as simple as Brian just getting up and walking away from a bad situation, why couldn't he do that at any point during the Landy years?

Probably because Landy had him doped all the time to the point where Brian was exhibiting signs of a stroke?

Let's just logically think through the scenarios where Brian is currently under some Landy-esque control:

Scenario 1: Melinda Wilson is controlling Brian. So let's get this straight, Brian's net worth is $75 million. $75,000,000.00. Obviously this is not money he has in the bank, but it shows that the man isn't hurting for cash. Yet supposedly Melinda needs to risk the public exposure of controlling Brian like Landy by forcing Brian to hop on a tour bus, strictly tour Pet Sounds shows to make them more money? And all of Brian's family and friends, including his daughters who actually talk to the guy, don't do anything to stop this atrocity?

Scenario 2: The band is controlling Brian. The band, including Darian and Al, need to stay employed so they somehow have a secret cabal of controllers forcing Brian to tour so they can put food on their tables (apparently this is the only way they can have gainful employment). So the band, ignoring the fact that Melinda has already taken down the controlling Landy (to the point where a major motion picture was made about it), secretly forces Brian to tour, hoodwinking Melinda in the process.

If there are any scenarios (or alterations to the above scenarios) that don't sound completely asinine, please share them (anyone). Because I'm just trying to logically get to the bottom of this point of view.

I just can't believe that in his condition (and i am talking mostly physical) and age, Brian enjoys the whole touring regiment. There have been many nights on recent tours where he looked like he would rather be anywhere but on that stage.

And as I've explained numerous times before, the mental instability he recently publicly acknowledged has probably been the cause of much of this seeming disinterest. And again, he is currently getting help for his current mental issues by postponing/cancelling a lot of tour dates. And again, the bad back he has on stage is the same bad back he'd have at home: he has to sit at home, has to walk at home.

i think fans are being selfish by expecting Brian to continue on these never ending oldies tours. Let the man have some rest, he's earned it. We don't need him doing 10 more years of final Pet Sounds shows, or any shows for that matter.

Point me to one post, one article, one blog where some fan is stating that Brian NEEDS to be touring at 77 years of age. I don't think anyone expects the man to tour. The man could literally become a monk, join a monastery, and every fan of Brian's would likely say "man that's weird but that's Brian for ya." I don't think any fan would be selfishly angry that they couldn't watch Brian from seat 11F at the Fantasy Springs Resort Casino if they knew that Brian was quitting touring for his own health.

Does anybody really know what Brian wants?  Roll Eyes

Exactly. And to add to this, I'll just repeat a line from my previous post: I don't think any keyboard warriors need to analyze and scrutinize what is or isn't "Brian's place" or what kind of medical attention he needs. Given he is still in the recording studio, given he is now 77 and still plans on doing concerts, given he still wakes up and faces every day with determination, I'd say he is doing pretty damn good without our ill-informed opinions.

Eh, doubting every interview just becomes an unfalsifiable game. Can we really know the truth? I mean, yeah, we could ... if people didn't act like every Brian interview is done in secret code.

Exactly.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: June 20, 2019, 04:01:02 AM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.
I agree, and I get why people think Brian is being controlled by Melinda or someone: he has a history of being controlled by others. And there is a history of him being onstage (certainly 1981-82, and probably other times as well...does anyone think Brian looks happy onstage in those 1976 shows?) when he was not well, physically or emotionally.

I guess perspectives have changed over the years. The first BB's book I read was David Leaf's, and he spent a good chunk of it wondering why Brian was being dragged out on stage in 76-77, when he was obviously terrified being out there. He would just sit at the piano, not sing, not play, just looked frozen with fear. The point kept being made that Brian's place was in the studio, not on the stage. Why are things any different now?


I also have to wonder what being onstage with that loud music is doing to his one good ear? I've got serious hearing loss in my left ear, and it rings for days, sometimes weeks,  after a show.

Why are things any different now? No offense, Lonely Summer, but if you can't tell a difference between Brian 40 years ago and Brian now, I have to seriously question whether or not you're trolling. You say that 40 years ago Brian didn't sing, didn't play, and was frozen with fear at his concerts, then ask why are things any different now...Because now Brian does sing, does play, and isn't frozen with fear at his shows. And yes, I'm sure he has his fearful moments: again, the man hears voices that tell him to kill himself. I'd love to see you, me, or anyone else fair any better under his same circumstances. He may be disinterested sometimes at his shows, but that isn't a sign of dominant control over his life. Every Pet Sounds show I've been to Brian has sung along, has smiled at the audience, and really had some beautiful vocal moments that I will cherish forever. More recently, if he is acting strange at his shows, it's logical to deduce that the mental issues Brian just messaged us about are related to those actions.

[Edit: to add a point about "Brian's place" in regards to the studio or the stage - people change over a 50 year period...no one stays the same. Who is to say that Brian prefers the studio or the stage these days? Only Brian. And Brian has stated many times in recent years that he likes being on the road. He says he is also intimidated by the stage, but he also likes it too. Regardless, I don't think any keyboard warriors need to analyze and scrutinize what is or isn't "Brian's place" or what kind of medical attention he needs. Given he is still in the recording studio, given he is now 77 and still plans on doing concerts, given he still wakes up and faces every day with determination, I'd say he is doing pretty damn good without our ill-informed opinions.]

And trying to rationalize this idea that Brian is currently controlled because he has been controlled before is completely asinine. For the last two decades you could catch Brian alone at his favorite deli, or driving his car alone through LA. He was once controlled to the point where for years he couldn't see his own family. When currently he can go see Carnie or Wendy whenever he wants to. During that time he couldn't even talk on the phone unless supervised. He currently has his own personal phone he can use whenever. I'll just quote my initial post on this matter in case you overlooked that:

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But how many people (musicians, journalists, friends, family, etc) within the last 20 years have said "Holy sh*t, Brian's in a bad spot right now. Melinda is pumping him full of pills, he's being controlled by Melinda just like he was controlled by Landy, he is physically and mentally unhealthy." I have an answer to that: One. And his name is Mike friggin Love. 99.9% of everyone else who has actually been around Brian have just talked about how aloof he can be sometimes, but there isn't ongoing talk about surf-nazis, evil doctors, no contact with family, control, etc etc.

By claiming, or even entertaining the idea, that Brian is controlled to a point where his personal well-being is in jeopardy, you are disrespecting every doctor, every family member, every musician, every friend that Brian spends his time around on a regular basis. You are basically insinuating that those currently around Brian don't have the heart to speak out against such an atrocity. Such insinuations are unfair to people like Al Jardine, Darian Sahanaja, Daria Wilson, Melinda, all of Brian's close and longtime friends, and most importantly Brian himself.

As for being on stage with one good ear - I'm beyond sure that Brian wears top-quality hearing protection as needed, as many (most?) professional performers do. The lead singer of Coldplay has horrendous tinnitus yet wears ear-pieces/protection, they play stadiums packed with sound gear. There are ways to protect hearing these days even for stadium shows. Let's logically think through that when Brian is doing soundcheck he talks normally with the people around him, when he is doing meet-and-greets he is normally talking with people. That doesn't sound like someone who's one good ear is undergoing abnormal strain.

Finally, I will say that if Brian is being controlled to the point where he is being forced to do things truly against his will, I will admit I was wrong and eat my hat. But to base the conclusion that Brian is currently controlled off of "he was once controlled so he could be controlled now" or that 40 years ago he didn't sing, play, and looked frozen at his concerts and even though he is singing, playing, and not frozen at his concerts now somehow this means he is being controlled is pretty illogical and irresponsible for any fan of Brian or the Beach Boys.

Rab, all your posts are great. Wanted to do a standing ovation after reading that first one. Mike absolutely bears a lot of responsibility for dragging out these rumors, which, if there was any truth to them, it would be irresponsible for him not to step in. But he doesn't. The idea that every single person in Brian's private and working relationships doesn't care? It just makes no sense.

Brian has shown he will absolutely pull the plug on a show if he has to. I know some people want him to take it easy and stop touring, but I don't know how many times Brian has to say he looks forward to getting out on the road before we admit it might be a good motivator for him even through really bad days. Not everything is all good or bad, and Brian knows when the bad means he has to put it on hold for a bit.


Thanks much lonelysea Smiley I completely and wholeheartedly agree with the part highlighted in yellow. It just makes no sense indeed.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: June 19, 2019, 05:50:15 PM
I do think a lot of the comments are based on the assumption that Brian has no control over his life, and that he's somehow being taken advantage of.  It's rather disrespectful of Brian as well as those around him.  Just from having seen so many interactions of the various band members and Brian, I really don't doubt that these guys truly love Brian and I just can't see people like that standing by and watching him be exploited.  The argument is that a lot of people depend on Brian for employment, but come on, does anyone really think that someone like Al Jardine is so desperate to tour that he'd watch his friend and colleague of almost 60 years be taken advantage of?  Especially given the history with Landy, I would imagine that Brian's friends and family are very protective.  The undertone to a lot of these comments about what Brian should or shouldn't be doing is quite condescending and assumes that he's not capable of deciding that himself. 

Exactly! Especially in a post-Landy era, especially in the #metoo/whistle-blower era, in a day and age where anything can be recorded quite secretly, where there is virtually no privacy due to surveillance cameras, where family and friends of Brian basically have a public obligation to make sure everything is going well with him....it just makes no sense that there is some secret cabal of controllers maniacally pulling strings to keep Brian bringing in the cash when it could easily be proven in this day and age.

Again, to those who speculate this. Consider where your information is coming from and has come from. Don't buy into the theories until you've looked at all sides. Once you've looked at all sides, please respond here with some evidence. But until then, don't vaguely hint at controllers or that people don't take taking care of Brian seriously. Because from my standpoint, it just doesn't make sense.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: June 19, 2019, 02:36:26 PM
Guys, this isn't just Brian being uninterested to the point where he doesnt want to perform. In one of the videos I saw(I'll have to find the YouTube video again to know which exact show it was), Brian's eyes weren't even focused. He was singing(or, more like speaking) the song, but he was otherwise totally checked out mentally and/or emotionally from the show. Even at his absolute worst points in 1981-82 Brian wasn't like this. Something is really, really wrong. I'll no doubt get sh*t for this, but I truly think he needs to be in a hospital for a while.

Jay, none of us know all (or even some) of the facts here, which is why all this speculation seems kinda ridiculous to me.

Logically we know this: Brian has just undergone THREE back surgeries, has had mental instability since the third surgery (whether by prescription drug imbalance or other forces, we don't know yet) and no doubt that has effected the way he's composed himself...which is probably what you're describing in those videos Jay.

In a message sent to us fans he acknowledged he has been having a rough time mentally after the third back surgery, and that he's taking a break from touring for a while until the doctors sort the problem out. You are stating that something is "really really wrong" with Brian when he has already acknowledged that something is really really wrong. You're saying that he needs help but he's already acknowledged that he's getting help. To compound this last point, he has cancelled/postponed concerts to get this help.

I guess I just don't understand the melodrama behind your posts...you're making claims that you think those "in charge" of Brian aren't taking his care seriously...yet Brian (or those "in charge" of him) has cancelled/postponed a lot of tour dates because of this*. I would say that's pretty serious. People seem to forget that Brian has a team of doctors at UCLA that help him with his issues. UCLA doctors aren't some Landy quacks. They aren't puppets at the end of strings being controlled by Melinda Wilson. They are doctors (who all took oaths) who have helped look after Brian for years and years now. Again, the man just had 3 back surgeries, has a panic disorder, half a lifetime of hard drug abuse, voices that tell him to kill himself, he had a psychiatrist who tried to kill him by pumping him full of pills, the constant pain of losing all his brothers, manic depression, etc etc - managing all of that to help Brian feel normal isn't an easy task. And it's ridiculous to be an armchair doctor and to say he needs to go to a hospital for a while when you virtually know nothing about his care.

I hope you don't take this post as giving you sh*t for your opinion. But this type of vague hysteria that paints a target on those caring for Brian isn't helpful, and it isn't right.

* And I want to back up Wirestone's point: "Brian's mental health is likely improved by being on the road and surrounded by supportive band members and loving audiences. Staying at home after cancelling shows is likely not helpful, if the meds can be balanced out." I'm not going to speculate what is best for Brian, but if he is like most other people with mental illness, the worst thing you can do is stay home with the curtains drawn.

And this plays into what Guitarfool posted as well: sometimes those who have gone through hell are thankful that they can still get out and smell the flowers. Brian seems to be going through a lot right now, and he's working to get better. The best thing we can do is send him an uplifting card and send a prayer out to help his recovery.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs That Couldíve Fit On Pet Sounds on: June 19, 2019, 05:38:01 AM
What songs by other artists sound influenced by Pet Sounds or Brian in general?

Death Cab for Cute - You Can Do Better Than Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtAAikJNboY). I get such a huge Pet Sounds vibe from this song, probably the most PS influenced song I've heard.

Weezer - Beach Boys (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsG37JcEQNw). They even mimic Murry Wilson on this track, it doesn't really sound like the Beach Boys, but theres huge influence here.

Weezer - Mexican Fender (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKvx5RlmsaQ). Again, doesn't sound like the Beach Boys, but the influence is huge during the middle-eight.

There are so many more that I don't have the time to list right now. But I will add some when I get the time. Great topic!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: June 19, 2019, 05:19:24 AM
New dates announced for 9/23 and 9/28. For whatever it's worth, they're still booking more September shows as if he'll be back on the road.

We've got to take that as a good sign, right?
Honestly, it kind of pisses me off. It gives me the impression that whoever is in charge isn't taking the gravity of Brian's situation seriously.

Honest question here, for anyone who wants to answer: why do people distrust Brian's current support system/Melinda so much? I ask this because, for many years, I have seen these types of posts (like Jay's above) that hint at some irresponsible/abusive power-domineering over Brian. I have gotten used to these posts, but I think we need to question the foundation of why these posts are made. What is the truth behind it all? So again, Why do people distrust Brian's current support system/Melinda so much?

I will give some real-world answers here:
- the FAQ book, Stebbins says he saw Brian being verbally chewed out backstage at a show
- Brian laying down on stage during a concert a decade or more ago
- Brian going out on stage recently with an obvious horrendous back issue
- Brian seeming to be disinterested at the Pet Sounds shows

Those are real-world examples of odd happenings that make us question whether Brian is in the best of hands. The latter three are seriously not signs of an abusive/authoritative power structure controlling Brian...yes, they make us ask the question why is Brian still up on stage when he has all these issues? But they aren't signs of some dominant/evil/irresponsible presence in Brian's life. Brian is a mentally complicated guy. If he felt he was in mortal jeopardy he could tell Jason Fine when he's out in a car ride with the guy, he could tell his doctors at UCLA, he could tell Wendy or Carnie. Keep in mind that Brian is the guy who said Norbit was his favorite movie (as in, he's seemingly working on another level than the rest of us) - if he becomes disinterested in singing 'You Still Believe In Me' for the 400th time he's allowed to do that. If he shuffles around on stage with a bad back, he's allowed to do that too: had my granddad been a rockstar he would rather be out on the road at 80 living life than sitting in a damn nursing home. So maybe Brian does have free will and chooses to be on the road over sitting at home. The bad back Brian has on stage is the same bad back he'd be dealing with at home. He still sits at home, he still walks around at home. Also keep in mind that any rockstar/musician will have some crazy moments. We don't bat an eye when Ozzy does something insane (pun intended Cheesy), or when Axl bites some dude's leg, or when Keith and Mick spending $10,000+ at a bar after a concert. Brian literally hears a voice in his head that tells him he needs to kill himself. He hears that crap every day. So with that in mind, I think the stage quirks and oddities are fairly understandable given what he deals with.

The former example (Stebbins witnessing Brian being verbally abused) is something I take very seriously, and it hurt me when I read it in the FAQ book. It made me wonder how many other times Brian was verbally abused backstage. However, consider this: that was ONE sole example from 20+ years of Brian touring, recording, and living outside of the realm of Landy. Most of us have been to one of Brian's concerts, perhaps backstage a little - there are a lot of people in the background who make those shows work. Consider that none of those people (catering, stage-hands, roadies, venue operators/workers, band members themselves) haven't whistle-blown Brian being abusively controlled. I completely believe that Stebbins saw what he saw. But I also think that if it were an ongoing thing, in the age of whistle-blowing, Twitter, cell-phone videos, a pattern of evidence would have emerged by now.

The Landy era was chock full of examples of abuse - Brian was literally dying, while musicians working with him told stories about his horrible situation. Diane Sawyer even did a piece that asked a few questions about Brian's situation.

But how many people (musicians, journalists, friends, family, etc) within the last 20 years have said "Holy sh*t, Brian's in a bad spot right now. Melinda is pumping him full of pills, he's being controlled by Melinda just like he was controlled by Landy, he is physically and mentally unhealthy." I have an answer to that: One. And his name is Mike friggin Love. 99.9% of everyone else who has actually been around Brian have just talked about how aloof he can be sometimes, but there isn't ongoing talk about surf-nazis, evil doctors, no contact with family, control, etc etc.

There is merely one man who claims that Brian is controlled...the same guy who sued the hell out of Brian, Brian's wife, Brian's friends and business partners over a lousy picture on a CD a little over a decade ago* (as in, I don't think someone who has already blatantly lied about their own cousin should have any bearing on the debate about said cousin). And let's not forget the misinformation/disinformation that was spread by someone on this very forum (and possibly other forums) that painted Melinda in a very very bad light (information that was blatantly false). I feel like this information has permeated the minds of some posters, and has melded with the examples I gave at the beginning of this post, and created a foundation of distrust for Melinda or Brian's organization.

I personally think that if Brian's life were being irresponsibly/harmfully mis-managed, we would have already seen some major warning signs, ongoing whistle-blowing, and an outcry from friends/family.

None of us know if Brian willfully said himself "I'll be ready in the fall to start touring again. I promise." But yet many here just assume the worst. I'm not blaming anyone for thinking this way, but I do think that before we make assumptions and speculation, we should ask why we are making negative assumptions...and if those assumptions are based on facts.

Anywho, I know this post was longwinded, apologies for that. I just see a lot of negative assumptions brought up here, and would like to know why. Above are my thoughts, but I would like to hear about other outlooks and other points of view that perhaps I'm missing.

*And to anyone claiming I'm bringing some "Mike Love is Beelzebub" or whatever nonsense like that to this thread, I'm merely showing the foundation of why I think Brian's current life/care is questioned to this day. I think its an important issue to dissect so we can here forth logically talk about Brian's life without the conversation being influenced by false information.

Edit: misspellings, etc
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian postponing tour the day before it starts. on: June 06, 2019, 12:29:46 PM
No one else walks in this man's shoes and knows what's going on.

Maybe the best course of action is to simply wish him the best on the most basic human level, and let the public statement stand as what it is, rather than trying to find conspiracies or other hidden "facts" to challenge or dispute it. We've had more than enough of that nonsense to last several lifetimes in recent years...

Agreed. Prayers for Brian and his family, I hope he gets the treatment he needs.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love covers the Ramones on: June 04, 2019, 02:21:50 PM
After reading that article I can't stop imagining Mike doing I Wanna Be Sedated.

The next generation of wheeeennnnnnn is clearly the Mike Wanna evolution:

I wannnnnna meet Santa Claus, the real (real) Santa
I wannnnnna be sedated, really (really) sedated
All I wannnnna do... is meet Santa Claus and be sedated

LOL dude how did you think of this? LOL thatís gold hahaha
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 29, 2019, 02:21:01 PM
I am glad someone is looking at that stuff. Whats funny to me is that some fans are still adamant that the "Legacy" of the Beach Boys just can't be altered in any way, shape, or form anymore. Yet that Mike was forced to change that sticker is evidence enough that people who are in an official position to make such calls obviously see the harm Mike can do by placing a Beach Boys logo on the less-than-stellar UTL.

And keep in mind that the 2005 lawsuit was also about Brian re-recording songs co-written by Mike and Mike not having any say in those songs being re-recorded. Yet Mike is clearly doing the same nonsense here too. There is hypocrisy from every angle when you look at the 2005 lawsuit.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 29, 2019, 08:52:39 AM
I think Mike's glut of albums is down to having an ongoing deal with a label, and both he and the label realize these albums are cheap and easy to knock out (and it seems many of the circulating copies are getting moved by being thrown in as freebies alongside concert tickets). No offense to the people putting in hard work to record them, but there is *very little* new writing across all three of these albums.

Mike's basically doing what he did with Adrian Baker in the late 90s, only with higher production values (but also more autotune).

Brian and Al and company could easily knock out albums like this. But do I want an album full of stuff that sounds like Brian's "California Sun?" Not really. That track is fine and solid, but unremarkable. I've always had little interest in hearing 50s and 60s oldies covered by Brian across an entire album. Maybe if Al sang all the songs, then it would hold *some* interest.

But I'd rather see a "Brian all by himself" album (Brian and a piano with just enough editing to make the songs full/complete, but otherwise untouched), or even another "No Pier Pressure" type album rather than oldie covers. If Brian *had* to do an album of covers, I'd rather see a thoughtful, somewhat esoteric selection. Stuff more like "Wanderlust" and less like "Good Golly Miss Molly."

I mean, if I had a say in it, I would want Brian to being recording original tunes as much as he could too. But Brian has stated about 1000 times now that he wants to make an album of rock and roll covers. It's about the only consistent statement he has made for the last decade (or two) during interviews. I believe he has gone as far as saying what songs he would like to see on the album. My post above was ideas that would make an album of covers by Brian unique...so it wasn't the same-old same-old like we're getting from Mike.

And regardless of the reason behind Mike's albums, fact is that he is still getting in the studio and recording them. They are nothing I listen to, nothing I will ever listen to outside of an initial listen and I usually forget about it soon after. But he is spending time in the studio, and from what I gather, it's far more time than Brian has spent in the studio recently. Whatever the reasons, I hope that Brian gets a spark of inspiration from it.

Brian has been in the studio recording the soundtrack for the upcoming documentary...so that will be a treat to hear when it comes out. Hopefully that too will spark some inspiration for him to get into the studio more.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 29, 2019, 08:49:49 AM
Found this 38 seconds clip of "Rockaway Beach" on Endless Harmony Forum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-f1Ho-9F0

Man, this song makes me imagine an "Onion" headline:

Sole Fan Who Always Wanted to Hear Mike Love cover The Ramones Finally Gets Wish

While I find this hilariously true LOL I'm also glad that Mike is doing his own thing here. He could've done a cover of 'Kokomo' (which we'd all be expecting), but this is kinda different, which is refreshing.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Happened to jeffrey Foskett?? on: May 29, 2019, 08:38:15 AM
Hope heís ok. He does not look healthy at all .

Really? I think Jeff looks pretty good. He's 63.
As for Bruce, he and Mike have looked and dressed like old men for a decade and a half. They look like they're living at Del Boca Vista with Jerry Seinfeld's parents. But they're in their late 70s, so...

This is my favorite post ever LOL LOL
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: May 29, 2019, 08:28:13 AM
Found this 38 seconds clip of "Rockaway Beach" on Endless Harmony Forum:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-f1Ho-9F0

Thanks for linking that, Wata! I love how the description for that video is solely "Mike Love please do not sue me!" Quite the reputation Grin

The production on this sounds SO much better than the last couple albums he has put out. There is no jarring autotune, I think there may be some there, but it's not to the level it was on Unleash The Love. Mike pretty much sounds like Mike should, and it sounds like he's having fun. I think 'Girl From Ipanema' is a great choice, especially if Mike does a duet with Ahmba (pardon if spelling that wrong) for that tune. I completely agree with Guitarfool about 'Surfin' - I don't really see the appeal outside of hearing the original song (granted, I feel this way about most covers).

My biggest hope for this album? That it would inspire Brian to get into the studio. If Brian is done with the studio, then more power to him. But for all the talking he does about a "rock and roll album" there is sure a complete lack of progress on it. In the time Brian has talked about Pleasure Island Mike will have released 3 studio albums (probably more than that, depending on how far back Brian started talking about this thing).

I really think Brian could do something so unique with a rock-and-roll album. Make it into a concept album revolving around classic radio stations from the 60s. Get a DJ to do interludes every 3 songs, interview Brian on it with a few Brianisms thrown in. Get Paul McCartney to guest doing a duet of 'Girl Don't Tell Me' with Brian. End it with Brian doing a minute long solo piano cover of 'That's Why God Made The Radio'. Get it produced properly and it would be a small hit, methinks.

Anyways, don't mean to hijack the thread and make it about Brian. I think a friendly competition between both Mike and Brian would be a neat thing to see...and perhaps this will be the album to spark that....I can dream....
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Ambient Music--Mood before Melody on: May 28, 2019, 01:40:53 PM
My son was playing this yesterday on Spotify while we ate. It's one of my favourite Eno albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNwYtllyt3Q

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambient_1:_Music_for_Airports

Yes! Love this one too.
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If anyone here is on Apple Music who loves ambient, they have a regularly updated playlist called "Pure Ambient" that is FULL of great ambient tunes. Perfect for a rainy day or relaxing evening reading.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What Happened to jeffrey Foskett?? on: May 27, 2019, 05:05:37 PM
I think people with rapid weight loss tend to have more wrinkles because the skin is going from a stretched state to being on a much smaller frame of body (so they tend to look more aged/older than they really are). And he looks healthy to me: that those pictures are taken some 5+ months apart shows that Foskett isn't in a perpetual state of losing weight...looks as if he lost the weight and has kept it off since. And if his body were losing that much weight due to illness I can't imagine he'd have the energy to be onstage rocking with the band.

If he is unwell I hope he gets better, and if he lost the weight to be more healthy, rock on Jeff!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 20/20 on: May 25, 2019, 03:53:23 PM
I've always wondered if he was embarrassed about the record and didn't want to be associated with it...outside of some song credits. And it's actually really fitting in a way: the previous studio album Friends was Brian really trying to come up with a chill and cohesive album, and it fell flat. 20/20 was him giving the reigns to band, and seemingly pulling away from everything. So it is almost fitting that he isn't on the cover.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brians caring personality on: May 25, 2019, 03:45:32 PM
I get the point of the thread and, nothing against the original poster, but I hate when someone needs to be built up in the face of someone else being torn down.

There is good and bad in MOST people. But, the fact that almost literally every thread on this board ends up turning into a "Mike is Satan" thread is honestly exhausting.

I love the deep knowledge and never-ending discoveries involving the band that come to light here! But, the negativity drags things down to a ridiculous level.

The fact? Your statement is downright false (and easily proven to be false) and a narrative that has been pushed for far too long by people too pissed off that Mike has done enough crap in his life to the point that it is hard to not bring it up in certain threads. That being said, look at the General On Topic Discussion page and most every thread doesn't devolve into a "Mike is Satan" thread....also interesting that lines like this one get completely made up to make the reality look worse than it is. It's kinda funny that when you search "Mike is Satan" on this forum, the only people who have written it are Mike apologists in an attempt to completely exaggerate the issue. So good going guys, the line "Mike is Satan" only exists because of you.
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First off, the post begins by talking "everywhere there is talk about Mikes big ego," so maybe the original poster needs to be taken to task as well if you're going to call me out...

Actually NOT a Mike Love apologist at all, just a guy who loves this band and gets tired of so much infighting and negativity.

I haven't actually taken a scientific survey of these threads, but it sure seems like an awful lot end up, at least, incorporating the whole Brian vs Mike nonsense.

And, please read between the lines. I used " Mike is Satan" as a catchall for everyone that has to constantly pile on about it. I didn't mean that people were literally, constantly referring to Mike Love as Satan.

@positivemusic, you made an outlandish accusation that paints this forum in a bad light. Pardon for obviously striking a nerve with you, but I have seen this accusation hurled at this forum far too many times and I will call it out when I see it.

You using a "catchall" that refers to Mike as friggin Satan doesn't at all put fellow posters here who are more critical of Mike in a good light...It just adds to the negativity. I honestly don't understand why an over-the-top metaphor is even necessary in this context...nor why it has been used many times already on this forum.

Frankly, I think, like you, we're all getting tired of the negativity. I think Mike is tired of the negativity. Mike hasn't said a negative word about Brian in the media in quite some time now, this board has been really chill lately because of it. If we don't want negativity, perhaps we shouldn't over-exaggerate things here that paint people negatively.

As for OP's "everywhere there is talk about Mikes big ego" statement, I don't really see how his statement relates to painting this forum in a negative light. OP claimed that Mike's ego is a talking point everywhere - and when Rolling Stone writes a piece on ML, yeah, his ego is mentioned. When Mike goes on a talkshow, traits of his ego are usually brought up. So I don't think I disagree with OP's statement much at all.

But whether you intended it or not, you did imply that people here devolve almost every thread into Mike bashing, which is simply completely untrue.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brians caring personality on: May 25, 2019, 09:06:57 AM
I get the point of the thread and, nothing against the original poster, but I hate when someone needs to be built up in the face of someone else being torn down.

There is good and bad in MOST people. But, the fact that almost literally every thread on this board ends up turning into a "Mike is Satan" thread is honestly exhausting.

I love the deep knowledge and never-ending discoveries involving the band that come to light here! But, the negativity drags things down to a ridiculous level.

The fact? Your statement is downright false (and easily proven to be false) and a narrative that has been pushed for far too long by people too pissed off that Mike has done enough crap in his life to the point that it is hard to not bring it up in certain threads. That being said, look at the General On Topic Discussion page and most every thread doesn't devolve into a "Mike is Satan" thread....also interesting that lines like this one get completely made up to make the reality look worse than it is. It's kinda funny that when you search "Mike is Satan" on this forum, the only people who have written it are Mike apologists in an attempt to completely exaggerate the issue. So good going guys, the line "Mike is Satan" only exists because of you.

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Everywhere there is talk about Mikes big ego. It's a big part of the narrative and legacy in the bands history.

But just sake of the argument:
Give me some really good examples of Brian actually caring for someone else post 1965. (Writing lyrics doesn't count)

As you prefaced the question with a reference to Mike's egotistical behavior, I assume that the foundation of this thread lies in the idea that in your view "caring" is the opposite of "ego". And while that may be partially correct. Having a big ego means that you very much care only for yourself. Whilst you can have a small ego and still not give great amounts to charity or run into a burning building to save a kitten. My point being, Brian's caring personality has probably done a lot to help people in small ways over the decades. I am very much looking forward to Debbie KL posting in this thread, because I am sure she has a lot of stories about Brian's caring nature. Also, Ray Lawlor, who used to post here probably has many.

And on another note: some of the most selfless people do all their good acts in secret. My grandfather put a plethora of people through college anonymously, my family only found out about it after he had passed away and so many of the kids he helped came to the funeral and talked about his giving nature...but my family never knew about it for 30+ years. Who knows what Brian and Mike do to help others that isn't put into the public light?

I know Mike donates to a lot of charities he is passionate about, I am sure Brian and Melinda do the same.

Brian has indeed admitted to being a bad father and without a doubt he hurt some people during his drug years. But ya know what? It takes a selfless person to publicly admit these kind of faults...and his daughters have since had a healthy relationship with him...and Marylin has probably since forgiven Brian of his behavior. I'm not trying to say Brian is a saint. But his small-ego nature is visible for all to see when he publicly admits his screwups...and admitting such things is an act of caring, because it is the first step to mending broken relationships and moving towards a more positive way of looking at life (which he has done since the Landy years). Brian Wilson has been diagnosed as a schizoaffective with mild manic depression...in light of that, I'd say the amount of caring (per the examples already posted in this thread) show how even through hearing voices telling him to kill himself and being bipolar, he still fights through it to try and bring some light into the world...which I think is pretty incredible.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 25, 2019, 05:26:15 AM
One thing I will say about Bruce: he added such an incredible vocal sound to The Beach Boys music. What I mean by this: while Mike and Brian do sound different, they also sound similar during certain moments...there is definite variation but their tones can sound similar (even though Brian's falsetto is completely unmatched by anyone). And perhaps this is due to them being related? But when Bruce comes into the mix, it is this really great and unique sound that adds a whole other dimension to the music. The end of GOK is a perfect example of this.

Bruce's vocals on TWGMTR stand out so much (in a good way), you can really tell it is Bruce. Idk, he just adds a really unique blend to the palette of vocals in The Beach Boys. I'm beyond glad he was brought on board.

I can't comment on his current stage voice or what he does on stage, as I don't keep up with Mike's version of the band. But if he's anything like Mike and Brian, I'm sure he is getting tired, his voice is getting a bit more worn. I swear that Al found the fountain of youth because that dude sounds like he's still 25 years old.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: YouTube to SoundCloud - and my ultimate mix tape . . . on: May 25, 2019, 05:09:17 AM
A quick answer: subscribe to Apple Music ($9.99 a month), download the songs you want from YouTube (using a third party program), upload those songs to Apple Music, and then assemble your custom playlists. As for your son's music, just send him an email asking for the files of his songs and upload those to Apple Music as well.

The details of the quick answer:

You could use YouTube Music to assemble your playlists of songs from YouTube...I did this recently. The major problem with this: You are never sure whether those rare tracks will be taken down by BRI or by the user who uploaded them. I had created many playlists in YouTube Music that ended up with so many songs missing after a couple months. It was so frustrating because there were some really cool tracks that just became unplayable, and I may never hear them again. And this is why it is a good idea just to rip the songs you want from YouTube so you can keep them forever...

There is a computer app that allows you to rip songs/video from YouTube. It is called "4K Video Downloader". You just copy the YouTube link of the song you want, then paste it in the program. Choose MP3 as your export, and in a few seconds you'll be downloading the file you can forever keep.

This is where Apple Music comes in. Apple Music allows you to upload up to 100,000 of your own songs (plus, you have access to their streaming service which has 50 Million songs and rising). So when you download all your rare Beach Boys tracks from YouTube, you can then drop them into iTunes and upload them to your Apple Music service (you HAVE to have iTunes in order for you to upload to Apple Music).

At that point you can find the 1973 In Concert album (already on Apple Music), add all those songs to a new playlist, then you can add the songs you ripped from YouTube onto that same playlist. You can then arrange those songs in any way you see fit.

And the same goes for your son's music on Soundcloud. I'm sure he'd be happy to email you the files. And if you'd rather, I'm pretty sure you can download those tracks directly from Soundcloud if you pay for them. Then you can just drag those tracks into iTunes, and then upload them to Apple Music.

I know all of that sounds overly confusing! Yes, the simplest thing you can do is use YouTube Music (as Joel recommended), or YouTube Premium, and assemble playlists (mixtapes) straight from YouTube. But the problem with that is that YouTube can take down any of those videos at any point (and they do this constantly due to copyrights, users taking their own videos down, etc). You will also not be able to upload your son's music to YouTube Music as they don't allow any user uploads at this time.

With Apple Music, once you upload your music it is there forever (as long as you keep paying $9.99 a month for their service). You have total control over the album artwork, song titles, etc (by using iTunes), and you can make as many playlists/mixtapes as you want. All of your songs and playlists will be available on any device that supports Apple Music.

Anywho, that's exactly what I do. It is somewhat confusing but it's well worth it in the end.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 21, 2019, 07:47:18 PM
Only point I'd pick out was the phrase "happily part ways"...Mike did not happily part ways. "A picture is worth a thousand words"...remember how the Wilsons threw a wrap party for the C50 crew in the UK...and the only two who weren't there were Mike and Bruce, who had "other commitments" even though their band members somehow made it to the dinner. Does that sound like a happy parting of ways?

Thanks for your kind words about my post! And as for the "happily parted ways" comment, I meant that solely Mike and Bruce seemed happy to leave the C50 arrangement behind them. I didn't mean to imply or state that I thought Brian, Al, and David were happy with how the C50 ended. Sorry for that mixup! I completely agree with your comments about that.

Hmm....okay. I never heard ANY of the TWGMTR songs on any radio stations. That didn't surprise me. I never hear new McCartney songs on the radio, either. Last time I heard a "new" song by Paul on the radio was Hope of Deliverance back in 1993. Stations that play current music play current artists; oldies or classic rock stations only play the old hits.And the fact that TWGMTR hit #3 on the album chart seems impressive - but it was out of the top 200 within a month. Even Beach Boys 1985 had a longer chart run than that. Probably sold more, too - i heard all three of the singles from that album on the radio.

I guess it depends on who runs the radio stations where you are. I'm pretty certain others here heard TWGMTR around the time it was released. Anywho, our own personal anecdotes about what we heard or didn't hear isn't really the point. The point was that The Beach Boys were in the best spot that they had been in a really long time: They were indeed on the radio across the country in 2012. Even if their staying power on the charts wasn't great, fact is that they made it really high on those charts...thus placing them in the best spot they had been in a long time...thus my opinion in response to OP that no BRI suit would pass that opportunity up.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Some recent thoughts/theories on C50 and possible potential reunions.... on: May 21, 2019, 04:19:09 AM
The way I see it? If it was going to happen it would've continued on after the C50 dates.

TWGMTR became their highest US charting studio album since before Pet Sounds! Yeah, Joe Thomas has some weird production on TWGMTR, but overall, that really is their best album since Holland, heck, maybe even Sunflower. Their concerts were friggin celebrations, lively, they sounded incredible. It was triumphant that the boys set aside their grudges, looked past the previous lawsuits (one of which was still going on not long before the C50 started).

But behind all of this there was struggle and annoyances, I'm sure the grudges were still present, wasn't there some issue with Stamos singing Forever during one of the concerts? Mics being supposedly tethered with some sort of auto-tune gear by Melinda herself? Mike being pissed Brian got his own tour bus? Regardless of whether some of these annoyances were real, the fact that these issues were talked about afterwards means that there was tension on the tour.

But going back to the paragraph above, this was still their most triumphant time period in a long time. They had it all - they had media recognition, their fans were united and happy to see them all on stage. They had a #3 charting album. The title song was played on rock radio stations across the country (and I still hear it to this day sometimes). I don't think any BRI suit, in their right mind, would let this cash cow go (who was to say that before the 60th anniversary another lawsuit at Brian wouldn't have been filed and completely soured the relationship between Mike and Brian? Or that some of the remaining members wouldn't have passed away during that time?)...when you're in the record business, or any business for that matter, you don't let something go in the hopes that a profit could be made in 10 year's time. If any profit can be made now, that's usually the best time to make a profit. Any marketer worth a hoot could've come up with other tour slogans and gimmicks for post C50 shows to draw in the crowds...the imagination can go wild with thoughts of a 'Kokomo' remake with some popular modern artist (giving momentum for younger crowds to go see the next iteration of concerts), The Beach Boys headlining a cross-country 60s band tour with guest artists like The Zombies, Ringo Starr, etc.. As was said above, another album was being planned. And given the material on NPP (regardless of what some here and elsewhere thought of it), it would've been a phenomenal album. Everything was there to make more money. But the differences mentioned above, the touring Mike was used to pre-C50, the wives/managers butting heads - all of this and more created a perfect atmosphere for Mike and Bruce to happily part ways with Brian, Al, David, etc (mostly because M&B held the Beach Boys name).

I don't think your theory is a bad one, but given all the factors above, I don't think it's a plausible scenario.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: General Most Loved BB Book? on: May 09, 2019, 12:38:51 PM
Howdy all, finally getting back into reading since I have a lot more stare-at-the-wall time than usual. Wanted to know what the general consensus is on BB literature, which books are the most in-depth to the best of their factual ability and cover all the ups and downs without bias. I'm anxiously awaiting the 2nd run of Ken Sharp's Dreamer but I'd like a depressing/uplifting/heartbreaking/life-affirming book on the Boys to dig through in the meantime.

I personally prefer Peter Carlin's Catch A Wave Brian Wilson biography. It covers a lot of the Beach Boys history, usually without a slant. There is what could be seen as a bias against Mike, but literally you can't write a Beach Boys book without pointing out some of the more weird things Mike has done to his cousin. So if there is bias, it is basically just pointing out some incidents that have happened between the two over the years (which you kinda have to cover in a biography). My favorite part(s) of the book are when Carlin does a writeup of each released album, talks about their strengths and weaknesses - you can listen to the albums as you read and its a pretty fun experience.

Stebbin's FAQ book is a fantastic guide to The Beach Boys, and a must have. But it doesn't really read as a chronicled history of the band (and it doesn't try to be, which is refreshing, but it may not be what you're looking for).

Look, Listen, Vibrate, Smile, is another must have, but there's not much you can "read" - there are plenty of essays and articles, but again, it's not really a written history of Smile.

I own Jim Murphy's book but haven't read it - having limited time these days sucks because there are so many books I want to read but haven't yet!

Best of luck finding a good book you like!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys: \ on: April 25, 2019, 12:59:13 PM
I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.  I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.  THE BEACH BOYS, "AMERICA'S BAND" AS THEY WERE DUBBED, WERE JUST THAT.  although they were formed by white people, the beach boys brought in blacks, filipinos, puerto ricans, and even greeks (stamos, lol). to contribute to the group sound.   The spirit of america indeed!

https://www.popmatters.com/racializing-rock-the-60s-and-the-white-sounds-of-pet-sounds-2495414567.html

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Pet Sounds is not a racist text, but its impact was racist because it further encoded rock as a white genre, perpetuating the institutionalized prejudice that relegated African Americans to the margins of rock.

Granted, this is the same online cesspool that published a NPP review where the reviewer didn't bother to fact-check or do even the slightest amount of logical thinking before writing the piece. Not surprising in the era of click-bait yellow journalism.

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But Chewy, you are ABSOLUTELY right though! This music brings together so many styles, so many people. I mean, even from the latest 20/20 set release, there was that track/story about the African American kid they found rapping (probably the wrong terminology but I'm not sure what else to call it) on a street in New York and decided to pull him into a studio and record him - and now he and his rap from 1968 are a solidified part of Beach Boys history. How freakin cool is that?!

And the main thing is this: The music is about love. You can't not be knocked out by some of those harmonies, no matter where you're from. It is hitting something spiritual and loving...both lyrically at times and sonically. The Beach Boys could not help growing up white suburban kids. But man they took their white suburban life and morphed it into an enterprise that accepted people of all colors, religions, and cultures...that in itself is something incredible...and I'm pretty proud to consider The Beach Boys to be my favorite musical group ever.
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