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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as part of a wedding on: May 29, 2020, 06:56:27 AM
Congratulations, PositiveMusic!

We used traditional organ hymn music for our ceremony. But for the reception we had a playlist that included every genre we like. It had a plethora of Beach Boys tunes, including:

- Wouldn't It Be Nice
- God Only Knows
- Someone To Watch Over Me (BWRG)
- Don't Worry Baby
- Forever

We also included a lot of Queen (my wife's favorite band) and 'Be My Baby' was on there too.

At one point during the reception one of my wife's family members started talking about Brian Wilson (he overheard one of the songs) and I immediately made my way over to their table to discuss my favorite musician. Can't go wrong with playing The Beach Boys on one of the biggest days of your life!

Congrats again, I hope everything goes perfectly!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Planning New Vocal Album on: May 29, 2020, 05:48:53 AM
And I wasn't meaning to say Mike's solo albums are on par with stuff like TLOS, I said *Most of recent solo efforts* ... So I was thinking more Disney, NPP, ....

I understand why the autotune is a turnoff, but I'm genuinely shocked most BBs fans don't dig UTL as much as I do... I think Crescent Moon, Ram Raj, All The Love In Paris, and Too Cruel are phenomenal.

Well the autotune is so glaringly distracting that it is hard to pay attention to any other merits that UTL may have to offer. I was playing some of UTL on the stereo system last night and my wife asked without hesitation if the lead singer was supposed to sound like that, "it doesn't even sound human". Whereas I have played NPP, Disney, and Gershwin many times around her and it's been nothing but enjoyment. Both Disney and NPP are lightyears ahead of UTL in production - which, even if one isn't thrilled about Disney songs or the songwriting on NPP (even if there is pitch correction on it), you can at least listen through both albums without questioning the species of the lead singer.

What pisses me off about UTL is that with the liberal use of autotune (to put it mildly) it's as if Mike didn't even try to make a decent sounding album. Instead of taking his time in the vocal booth he opted for a computer to do the hard work (unfortunately I don't think a 1000 exaflop supercomputer could fix these problems). So if it's not worth his time properly recording it, why would it be worth my time listening to it? Think of all the hard work that went into recording the instrumentals, the mixing of those instrumentals, only to have a computer haphazardly pitch (in)correct every lead vocal.

Again, I think Ram Raj is awesome, but why put the racial joke in there? Daybreak Over The Ocean is one of my favorite songs from TWGMTR, but the UTL version is slathered in autotune, making it completely inferior to the TWGMTR version. There is good content on here ruined by problems that never had to exist in the first place. It's like being served a grade-A T-bone steak only to have the chef douse the plate in 10 year old expired ketchup. It's the same with the C50 Live album - it's amazing content ruined by this awful obsession with autotune.

Makes me think about Jonny Cash's American Series recordings - if I recall correctly, it is just Johnny's voice with no manipulation. He's goes off key here and there, but it's real...which is what makes it so powerful. Even if there is pitch correction on NPP, it is done sparingly enough that people can pinpoint the moments of vocal discrepancies, whereas on UTL you can point to whole songs as evidence of autotune.

NPP has a song that was featured in a major motion picture, amazing collaborations with popular artists from across the music spectrum, Blondie Chaplin, Al Jardine. To me it's just lightyears ahead of UTL in every way. Just my opinion.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love Planning New Vocal Album on: May 28, 2020, 02:00:34 PM
Please stop this Brian vs Mike camp stuff. Everybody is in tital of his opinions. Dont go straight over Nate his opinion when he says that the efforts of Mike are the same as Brian. NPP is brian masterpiece and so is ULTL from Mike ( My opinion)

Just be glad that the beach boys release music no matter from who it comes.

I'm asking for reasons behind those opinions and offering my own in return to help better understand where these viewpoints are coming from, that's what a discussion is for. If you don't wish to participate, don't participate.

I never bought into the "just be glad it's there" mindset. If I buy a meal at a restaurant and the meal sucks, I'm not going to say "well, I'm just glad that restaurant is still there to sell me their food". If the quality of the products and opinions of the product can't be discussed, everyone has to shut up, keep opinions to themselves or not discuss with each other, and just be happy no matter what the quality is? No thanks.



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Nate initially started a comparison between Brian and Mike; Guitarfool merely interjected his own opinion about that. You can't say its okay to positively compare Mikeís work to Brianís, but itís not okay for people to negatively compare Mikeís work to Brianís.

As for my opinion (just continuing the comparison discussion that Nate started, not trying to offend anyone), I cannot agree that Mikeís albums have been even closely on par with No Pier Pressure.

Firstly, the vocal processing on many of the UTL tracks is a comedic dumpster fire. Mike literally sounds like a speak-and-spell on Getcha Back. I mean, I listen to that and laugh that Mike had the balls to lambast Brian for autotune on a track HE HADNíT EVEN HEARD YET...but then he releases a slew of albums drenched in every vocal processing plug-in the studio could find. The vocal processing on these songs makes the 50th anniversary live album sound like a pristine Mormon Tabernacle Choir concert.

With NPP, Brian managed to not potentially offend upwards of a billion people with a racial stereotype ďjokeĒ on his album...which Mike successfully did. I mean, to have an album called ďUnleash The LoveĒ and put a racial ďjokeĒ on there is beyond perplexing. I mean seriously, how many of you would be comfortable putting this album on in front of some Indian friends of yours?

Itís such a shame because Ram Raj is the coolest thing Mike has done in decades. It is experimental, unique, and awesome. But it ends with that stupid curry line. Yaíll can claim itís in good fun, but explain to me how itís any different than if one of Brianís crew were to fake a stereotypical African American accent and joke about a food stereotype at the end of a song? Itís just crass.

Brianís albums are polished - I mean the Gershwin album was pitch perfect - every note, every harmony, every line of Brianís was perfect - you just canít say that about UTL (or any of the albums after that).

NPP also had an incredible amount of variety: even when Brian did one cover song it had a completely new spin on it. Mikeís cover songs (with the exception of Ambha Loveís awesome vocal performance on TWOTS) were complete copies of the original songs - just no originality to them.

For Mike, it was a pleasant surprise and I enjoyed a few tracks. But it definitely doesn't have the replayability that NPP or the Gershwin album have. This is one man's opinion.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Love single on: May 27, 2020, 03:08:43 AM

FLASH!! BREAKING NEWS!! Are you ready?? NEW MIKE LOVE SINGLE HAS RAISED (at last count available) ... HOLD ON!!!  


                                                                50.00

 LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL


Way past time for both of you to get off your high horse.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Iíll repeat what I said in my previous post:  This is extremely unnecessary and not a joking matter.  The COVID-19 pandemic is a serious issue, and the single released has good intentions for charity.

A serious enough issue that Mike is telling us to ďget back to having fun fun fun in the sunĒ. Itís not a joking matter but yet weíre discussing a song that states that this pandemic is a ďviral super bowlĒ. You are chastising someone for not taking this issue seriously enough in a thread about a song that literally equates this pandemic (that has killed 350,000+) to an American championship football game.

Who here thought that this song would reap in a windfall of cash? $50 is $50 more than Iíve given to Coronavirus relief efforts...so Mike gets credit from me. However, I canít not ignore that Mike has an incredible wealth of resources (not money, but connections to other Beach Boys) and if done right they could really bring in some money with a virtual reunion song or pre-recorded virtual concert. Which is likely why OSD is laughing at the fact that a man worth $90 million (and who has ceaselessly bragged about his songwriting abilities) raised a likely total of $50 for global pandemic relief.

Who knows, maybe Mike did call up Brian and Brian wasnít interested in a virtual reunion, and this is the best idea Mike could come up with. Props to him. At this point Iím sure all of us know someone who has had COVID-19, or know of someone who has died from it. So Iím not disputing the seriousness of the issue, but you canít really go after someone for not being serious about this issue when defending a song that bellows the line ďweíre turning lemons into lemonadeĒ in regards to COVID-19.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's rock'n'roll album on: May 24, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
Brian probably mentions that rock and roll album when his wife asks him what he wants for breakfast.

Singlehandedly his most go-to interview response he gives - it creates buzz...and a lot of annoyance from all of his fans who want that album.

Ya'll are crazy if you don't want to hear a Brian led rock and roll cover album...Brian laying down a symphony of farty synths left and right, Darien would be losing his mind playing Ding Dang on loop for Brian to get some inspiration. What sucks is that I think he really wants to make this album - listen to him leading the band during soundchecks when he gets going on a classic rock song, he is another person...he just loves his rock and roll.

So personally, yeah I want to hear an album that Brian is truly passionate about. Will we ever hear this album? Probably not.

In some alternate universe we're all on Smiley Smile raving about Brian new rock and roll covers album. In this universe we'll have to make due with Mike Love's 27th cover album that three people will listen to.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best Brian Wilson collaborator on: May 21, 2020, 10:59:58 AM
Scott Bennett could be added as a result of the contributions to the  "Lucky Old Sun" Album.

I'd also add that 'One Kind of Love' is probably the best original song Brian has released since TLOS (edit, since he hasn't really released much solo material since TLOS, I'll just say it's one of the better songs of his solo career).
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best Brian Wilson collaborator on: May 21, 2020, 09:08:08 AM
Production:

The Wrecking Crew. While not your typical collaboration, they did share their ideas, and without them we would not have Pet Sounds for what it is today. Listening to those instrumentals for Pet Sounds tracks - outside of classical music I don't think there's anything else that comes close to that perfection and complexity of sound.

Lyrics:

Tony Asher. It is astounding to me that an ad guy takes a month off of work to go write lyrics with Brian Wilson. And by doing so he co-creates one of the greatest collections of music in history.

Roger Christian. This is just personal preference, but 'Don't Worry Baby' is probably the most perfect song I have ever heard. The lyrics are so tender, yet they are about car racing. The same goes for all other Roger Christian collabs - those two created heaven with words about metal transportation machines.

Mike Love. 'Good Vibrations' is a masterpiece, and it goes to show that Mike could have a perfect touch with certain songs.

Joe Thomas. Say what you want about his horrid Adult Contemporary production, but I really think the Life Suite on TWGMTR is a masterpiece, and credit is due where credit is due. It is a crime that an entire album length Life Suite was not created (as, iirc, there was talk about the Life Suite being a lot longer than what we got). I'm not a fan of a lot of JT collaborations with Brian, but they have created some incredible stuff together too.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The trainwreck that is The 50th ann. CD on: May 07, 2020, 04:24:59 AM
What constantly surprises me about The Beach Boys is, ironically, their ability to consistently bomb after a huge success. California Girls, Barbara Ann, Pet Sounds, Good Vibrations and then it all goes to hell. Kokomo goes #1 and then it all goes to hell. Getting inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame which immediately went to hell. C50 occurs and then it all goes to hell.

The C50 live album is just another product of the comical roller coaster ride that is The Beach Boys. Rocker, I think your theory is spot on. Now, I wouldíve hoped that a live album would have been in the works regardless of what the future held. But the quality of it makes me think it was just some last ditch half-assed effort to squeeze as much money as possible out of fans.

What also surprises me is the number of 5 star reviews on Amazon for that CD. Mike literally sounds like megatron, the audience noise sounds so synthetic - something I canít really explain well, but youíll get these random moments where the audience will cheer, and it always sounds the exact same. It almost reminds me of those clap-tracks on a keyboard.

I make jokes about how bad this album is, but it really does bum me out: I didnít go to any C50 concerts and I regret that a lot. I really hoped that this CD would give me a small glimpse at the magic of that tour. But instead it is just another reminder of how consistently inconsistent this band is. It is my hope that a proper release will happen one day - one that honors the fans, the band, all the roadies, and most important the legacy of Carl and Dennis. There was no need for all the autotune, no need to fly in Brianís vocals (didnít this happen on Heroes and Villains?), no need to simulate audience sounds (or at least mix the real audience so poorly into the blend).

With that said, itís not all bad. But the gems are so few and far between I just donít bother listening to it at all.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Love single on: May 05, 2020, 04:20:21 AM
Mike, at his absolute best, has never been a Brian Wilson-level talent. I think sometimes people forget that.

The issue isnít that Mike is putting out music that isnít up to Brian Wilson standards: itís that Mike Love is putting out music that isnít even up to HIS own supposed standards.

Mike Love had the nerve to childishly take jabs at Brian Wilsonís modern songwriting, while going on to record stuff like this. While Brian was publicly lambasted by Mike for the POSSIBILITY of using autotune, Mike went on to seemingly buy every autotune plug-in in existence, string them together like Christmas lights at the Griswold residence, and proceed to release songs that sound like they were mixed inside of a speak-and-spell.

If Mike really wants to raise some $$$ for charity, how about calling Brian up, record a song virtually with the rest of the group, and release it exclusively on iTunes?

All of that said, Iím happy that Mike is recording. While I donít listen to his music, I give him credit for trying. I wish that Brian would get back into the studio with this much zeal.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 10:41:31 AM
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11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 09:50:19 AM
I'm not sure if that was Mr. Goncalves most successful petition to date, but I would imagine that it probably was. He likely realized that there was no more steam in The Beach Boys story and wanted to keep those numbers booming by changing the petition and hoping people would ignore the switch.

I am grateful for his cause (and I'd imagine it opened a lot of eyes up to this ongoing issue), but he should never have changed the petition. Completely disingenuous and in the end likely hurt his his chances of another successful petition - how many others will refuse to sign one of Mr. Goncalves petitions because they wouldn't want another bait-and-switch?

"Please note that the original petition you signed is being taken down."

I think this is the most awful choice he could make. Keep it up as a documented success! But make a separate petition for your UK/Johnson gripe. 130,000 people who voted to boycott Mike should still be heard. Thank goodness we still have the news articles as documented proof of Mike's hypocritical gig.

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nor does the fact that Mike not standing up shows his apparent approval of his buddy Don Jr. publicly attempting to humiliate his cousin

This really ticks me off. Okay, so Brian publicly denounced Mike's Beach Boys - I'm sure Mike was hurt by that. Perhaps Mike could've taken a second to think about the fact that he chose to use Brian's music to entertain an entire audience and convention that approves of endangered animal killing. He makes some sentence long "justification" for the concert to address all of the longtime fans who disapproved of the concert. Ya know why? Because he couldn't logically justify this concert.

The petition may get deleted but no one is going to forget the time that Mike Love stubbornly played a gig for a bunch of endangered animal killers.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More power to the \ on: February 07, 2020, 08:53:16 AM
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I believe that making allowances for excellence is a vital part of this project.  Thatís why I want to make absolutely sure Iím good to go for a few years at a level that reflects my reverence for the source material. 

Completely understandable. On a side note, one thing I've been pretty impressed by is how often Logic has been updated over the last 7 years. Logic Pro X has been out since 2013 and I've never had to pay for an update since then - and they've consistently added more and more great content. Anyways, glad to see a fellow Logic user!

I'm really looking forward to your upcoming episodes. I have shown many people your Sloop John B video - they were blown away by what they heard. I can't wait to show off more of your work!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 06:47:04 AM
FYI, the maker the petition completely changed the it from having to do with The Beach Boys to "We call on the UK government to implement OPTION 3 for a Total Ban as a first step towards an END to all Trophy Hunting."

While I agree that trophy hunting should be illegal, it's rather disingenuous to use 130,000+ signatures that were all signed on the basis of protesting Mike Love's Beach Boys. I'm still keeping my signature on there (though I wouldn't know how to take mine off if I did want to), but in case anyone else didn't agree with the newly updated petition I wanted to make people here aware of that. You can report a policy violation and explain why you want your signature off the petition. (Wata: If you want to remove your signature, click "remove your signature" link in the email you received after signing."

edit: thanks, Wata!

Anyone who signed can report this to the website.

I think this is complete bullshit...you can't get people on board  to sign something specific and then change the topic of the petition they signed after the fact.

Report them ASAP.


A: How to Report Content - How to report a petition

To report a petition on Change.org, you must first be logged into your account. Once you have logged in, follow the steps mentioned below:
Scroll to the bottom of the petition page and click on ďReport a policy violationĒ button located below the comments section.
This button opens a menu where you will select a category for your report.
Before you can make a submission, you must include a reason for your report.
The more specific you can be with your reason for reporting content, the more equipped the Help Center team will be when assessing your claim.


When you report, click on "Misleading or Spam", it then gives you an option to select some items, click on "petition content drastically changed"
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More power to the \ on: February 07, 2020, 06:42:42 AM
Hey JK and aeijtzsche,

At the moment I've had to financially cut back on most of my entertainment subscriptions, I also haven't been able to contribute to help other content creators that I listen to/watch regularly. It's just a rough time of the year for me. But when I am financially able I will donate something.

I'm not sure what type of computer you're aiming for, but my MacBook Pro (and even my 10 year old iMac) run Logic Pro flawlessly. Perhaps you're using a more sophisticated program, but I think that Logic Pro has become quite popular in professional music circles in recent years (and a plethora of plug-ins are available for it). I mention this because you can get a refurbished Apple Computer (from their official site) with 8 gigs of memory, 1tb of HD space, and one year warranty for a little over $1000. I once had Logic Pro perfectly running 37 separate tracks (each horrendously full of plug-ins) on my (at the time) 7 year old iMac (with just 4 gigs). Logic Pro is $199. Though I'm sure the plug-ins/extentions you'll be buying to emulate certain sounds will cost a bit as well. I'm sure you've factored all that in, I just thought I'd pass along that information.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 06:18:29 AM
If there was any bright side to this mess, Mike playing this concert did shed a lot of light on the disgusting world of trophy hunting.

I read a good post elsewhere regarding the band's decision to play the concert. It talked about the band having families and bills to pay, and how if they got fired (for refusing to play the gig) it probably wouldn't be easy for them to find work elsewhere. Of which I can completely understand. That being said, I absolutely think Mike should've cancelled the gig, and he should never have put his band in that position. Did you really need this one concert to keep the band financially afloat? Would it have been that hard to find another gig?

I will never buy any solo material from Mike Love. I will never go to one of their concerts. While I wasn't surprised that yet another completely avoidable and embarrassing situation happened The Beach Boys, I was absolutely surprised that it had to do with Mike playing a Trophy Hunting convention. With The Beach Boys' history of advocating for wildlife/environmental preservation - this gig is just such a blemish on that history now. I was also surprised at the amount of support this petition got from all sides of the fandom. If Brian ever played a gig like this I would boycott him as well.

Mark and Alan (and others working hard on the Feel Flows set) deserve our support, as has been said previously in this thread. While I signed the petition, I do plan on buying the Feel Flows set. Perhaps I can donate an equal amount to the Humane Society to offset not following through with the boycott.

What a week: the Facebook comment deletes, Mike claiming "freedom of expression" as a reason to play the gig, Brian Wilson being targeted by the President's son, a hunting organization publicly calling for their members to "trigger" those opposed to their viewpoints. And Mike stubbornly continuing on with the gig. You can't make this stuff up.

Thanks Mike for adding yet another ridiculous and embarrassing chapter to The Beach Boys saga.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 05:33:36 AM
FYI, the maker the petition completely changed the it from having to do with The Beach Boys to "We call on the UK government to implement OPTION 3 for a Total Ban as a first step towards an END to all Trophy Hunting."

While I agree that trophy hunting should be illegal, it's rather disingenuous to use 130,000+ signatures that were all signed on the basis of protesting Mike Love's Beach Boys. I'm still keeping my signature on there (though I wouldn't know how to take mine off if I did want to), but in case anyone else didn't agree with the newly updated petition I wanted to make people here aware of that. You can report a policy violation and explain why you want your signature off the petition. (Wata: If you want to remove your signature, click "remove your signature" link in the email you received after signing."

edit: thanks, Wata!
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 08:41:10 AM
Where are people getting all the stuff about shooting lions and elephants from?

SCI's very convention has taxidermied lions on display all over the place. The Safari Club (SCI) outcried against Trump's decision to ban imported elephant "trophies" in 2017 because they are in full support of the killing of elephants.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 07:01:46 AM
The name of the guy who set up the petition is given on Change.org as Eduardo Goncalves.  I messaged him on FB and said that whilst I had signed the petition I thought that penalising the 2 members of the group who had promoted the petition was wrong and that a better idea was to pressure BRI to stop Mike and Bruce using the name in future as they had brought the Beach Boys name into disrepute.  If you agree perhaps you should message him too.  It's easy to find him on FB as he has the petition as an icon.


In his last message to those who signed the petition, he specifically said "Mike Love's Beach Boys" - So I think he has gotten the message - especially since Brian Wilson showed support of the petition.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 06:48:46 AM
Drug use? Wow.  No, never mentioned drug use, but thanks for reminding me of that, too.  Actually, I was referring to other negatively perceived items like their personal behavior and touring in general.  I just assumed that environmentalism, carbon emissions and green-living was important to many of the same individuals and 60 years of touring huge convoys of buses and airplanes around and living in million dollar mansions beyond gated fences seems counter-productive to this type of lifestyle.   

Just trying to put the extreme reaction in context. 

Ah yes, driving a tour bus is so similar to releasing a lion in a completely sealed off area for a hunter to shoot and kill for their own pleasure.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 06:44:50 AM
Hey Nathan,

Is it that hard to understand that a band that helped shape my conservationist outlook on wildlife/nature shouldn't be participating in a convention that glorifies the murder of endangered animals?

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A friggin' concert for fans.

So the ideologies of any entity running a convention have nothing to do with a band entertaining the members of that convention? Do you realize what this implies? By your logic Mike could play a Klan gathering and it would just be another "friggin concert for fans".

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but I hear that Africa welcomes them because of the millions in fee revenue from buying these trips, the locals get the majority of the meat from the kills to eat and the entire organization has helped on the conservation of many of these animals immensely.

If killing these animals is the best way to conserve the endangered animal species, I would hope that with Mike's history of activism, his resources, and his "peace and love" stance, he would support an alternative way of helping conserve these animal species. This shouldn't be and isn't the final solution to the problem.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 05:51:53 AM
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22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 04:29:06 AM
Also, I would love to know any justification they have for playing that gig. Mike claimed some freedom of expression BS while some poor guy was being paid to delete all comments about the gig. Was it about money (of course)? Was it about ego (of course)? But for the bandmembers themselves, how do they justify this? Were they threatened to be fired if they didnít play this gig? Do they actually think their involvement in the concert was a business transaction and not a show of support for SCI? Do they even care that the convention they played publicly asked those attending the concert (members of SCI) to ďtriggerĒ/taunt those who oppose the murder of endangered animals? Do they care that the person whose music they were playing was opposed to this concert? Do they care that Al and David were opposed to them playing this concert? Their very own idols asked them not to play and they did it anyways, does that bother them at all?

So many questions, Iím just appalled that the band went through with it. Mike has proven heíll do just about anything for the almighty dollar, but itís surprising the rest of the band didnít protest this.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 06, 2020, 04:17:27 AM
1. I wonder if the video screen behind them ever showed pictures of Brian, Carl, Dennis, Al, or David during the performance.

2. I truly wonder how the bandmembers themselves feel about this - and I wonder if anyone in the fandom close to any of them will ask about it at some point.

3. Where does this go from here? Upon signing the petition I have vowed not to buy any BB related material ever again (thanks to Mikeís upstanding decision to go through with the gig). Iím wondering how many of us will actually go through with that. At the moment Iím so disgusted with Mike I donít give a damn about hearing his voice through my stereo, but Iím sure when the Feel Flows set comes out weíll all be itching to hear the material. Plus Mark and Alan have probably put their heart and soul into the project - regardless of Mikeís pathetic actions those two deserve support.

4. Watching that video of a mountain-lion being shot out of a tree at almost point blank range - I am heartbroken that The Beach Boys name is now forever associated with these acts of cruelty.

5. No matter what excuse Mike has for playing this gig, he has NO excuse to play for an organization that sent out a public message asking their members to ďtriggerĒ people like Brian. Whatís ironic is that Don jr went along with that message, and Trumpís wife is supposedly heading an anti-bullying group whose one main goals is to end online bullying. Blatant act of hypocrisy.

6. If it wouldnít be such a struggle for Brian I would love to see them take away the license from Mike.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 07:04:42 PM
this just solidifies the beach boys slogan that popped up when, mid 80s?   "America's Band".............they really are- they are divided just like the country-- Bruce/Al -- Mike/Bruce.......i mean we already knew they were split, but this is just very public now, and political.  Americas band indeed!

Which is so sad. The Beach Boys music is meant to unite and spread love. Not divide and spread hate. I keep politics out of most things in my life, and I donít really see this as a right vs left issue. This is strictly a right vs wrong issue to me.

@Marcella27, sadly thatís just the way I feel right now. Mike traded one gig for his biggest yet permanent blemish on his reputation.

In the coming weeks itíll be interesting to hear if Mikeís band members talk about this gig.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 06:26:47 PM
That petition starter rubs me the wrong way, "huge media coverage", "global uproar"

He's enjoying it

Yeah, I read a post of his elsewhere and he was insinuating he was happy that Brian disowned his own band. Something else he said really rubbed me the wrong way but I can't remember.

That being said, I still support the petition. Regardless of his intentions, he is 100% right about this. Also Billy, if you make that petition I will sign it.
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