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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Murry Wilson And Snow on: December 11, 2019, 06:10:46 AM
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"Now THOSE guys could syncopate!"

LOL

I love what I'm hearing here, can't wait for more! Thanks for sharing!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 11, 2019, 06:08:17 AM
True, but as long I can buy it, I'm happy

I'll definitely be happy when this thing drops. But I'm reminded of my own weird Beach Boys journey, where marketing 'Don't Worry Baby' in a movie is the reason I immersed myself deeply into The Beach Boys catalogue. From my perspective, you never know what odd marketing (no matter how small the effort) will affect what people hear this music and get involved in the community.

But I totally agree with ya, I'll be happy as long as I can buy/listen to it.

Ain't that the truth. I owe my fandom of this band to Cameron Crowe, due to the BBs infomercial he squeezed into his film "almost famous"

I absolutely love that movie, and the inclusion of Feel Flows is icing on the cake. The movie that got me back into The Beach Boys in a serious way was 'De Ja Vu' - it's definitely not on 'Almost Famous' levels, but it just goes to show that no matter how odd the context of the marketing of this music, it can still resonate with people. That was 10+ years ago, and had I never seen that film I know my life would be completely different right now.
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Thanks Slothrop for the heads up on the instagram post! I would say that isn't a coincidence. Hopefully we get more of those leading up to February! I could listen to Brian explain music all day and never get tired of it.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 10, 2019, 06:36:49 PM
True, but as long I can buy it, I'm happy

I'll definitely be happy when this thing drops. But I'm reminded of my own weird Beach Boys journey, where marketing 'Don't Worry Baby' in a movie is the reason I immersed myself deeply into The Beach Boys catalogue. From my perspective, you never know what odd marketing (no matter how small the effort) will affect what people hear this music and get involved in the community.

But I totally agree with ya, I'll be happy as long as I can buy/listen to it.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 10, 2019, 05:04:37 PM
This Friday and not even an announcement

Bizzare
There was no official announcement from, say, Beach Boys social media accounts and the official site, prior to the release of last year's copyright set either.

That said, it's concerning that there has been little info on the release shared beforehand from Alan and Mark unlike last year. Probably they're too busy working on the box set though.

It has always blown my mind the complete lack of marketing for these projects - I mean, how much effort does it take to post one little blurb about a new set that you can buy on iTunes? Brian's Facebook, The Beach Boys Twitter account, etc etc...even just a handful of people becoming aware and buying the set due to social media marketing would make the 10 seconds it takes to post a message worth it.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 10, 2019, 04:34:33 PM
Simply astounding--I think we all knew there were guitars way down in the mix but the extent of it is truly mind-boggling.

Is it possible to do something like sync up these guitar parts with the a cappella vocals for TWW that came out on the MIC set? Obviously some calibration would be needed, but  I'm guessing it would be quite a trippy listen!

It's not only possible--I have done it... but, I'd be concerned about copyright implications.  I definitely do not want to upset anybody, although the way YouTube monetizes that stuff now for the publisher may make it ok.

This has been my experience. I have a roll-your-own mix of 'Til I Die' on my channel that has racked up 27,000 views...years ago, EMI made a claim on it and sent me a message that they'd be making money on my video - which is cool with me...better than them taking it down. Also, I think it's standard that you get a few chances of copyright infringement before your channel is taken down (ie, if your video gets taken down due to copyright claims but you continue to re-upload it, only then does it become an issue and you get strikes against your channel). However, the more likely scenario is that the record company would be happy to be making money off your video, so I doubt that would even be an issue.
6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The Beach Boys Song Chain Game on: December 10, 2019, 01:05:11 PM
Doing unto others is the golden rule, but doing it with you would be so very cool

I think we're supposed to cull from random songs for each post? These are some of Mike Love's most poetic lyrics...a bright, under-appreciated gem that I hope never gets lost to the desolate unforgiving entropy that governs our Universe.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World ~ isolated guitars recreation video on: December 10, 2019, 12:56:47 PM
I'm sharing them with some BBs friends off this board, too.

I've shared that Sloop John B video with at least 2 people in my real life - if I were using social media anymore I'd have shared it on my feed. These videos are so insightful - I wish I could add more than saying "thanks" - but I always look forward to reading the music aficionados posts about these videos.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What's your favorite solo song from each Beach Boy? on: December 10, 2019, 08:21:26 AM
Brian:
Good Kind Of Love
Guess You Had To Be There
On Christmas Day

Dennis:
Holy Man (the recent one with Brian May, Roger Taylor, and Taylor Hawkins)
Moonshine

Carl:
Heaven

Bruce:
Down Under - catchy as heck. Reminds me of the The Monkey's Uncle by The Beach Boys and Annette Funicello

Al:
San Simeon

Mike:
Daybreak Over The Ocean - this version is from TWGMTR, but I still consider it a solo song on there for some reason. But I really like the song a lot.

David:
I really want to sit down and listen to The Moon albums in full (heard some of them a long time ago and liked what I heard). But I don't know enough of his solo stuff to make a choice

Blondie/Ricky:
Don't Worry Bill (as this is the Flame, not sure if this counts as solo work, but I love the studio version of this song)
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Allow me to introduce myself on: December 10, 2019, 07:55:52 AM
Welcome!

Agreed with you both, Carl's voice is angelic - nothing quite like it before or since. I can't really place my favorite Carl track, he sounded great on everything he sang on...I especially love his voice on the '85 album. His voice on 4th of July is one of his best too.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 10, 2019, 07:32:13 AM
(Very likely) digital release in December
BW concert in January
Physical boxset in February

It's like 3 months of Christmas for me Cheesy

This is such great news about both sets. If there was any other era outside of PS and SMiLE that deserves a boxset it's Sunflower/Surf's Up. Cannot wait for this.

Thanks for the update, rebel! A Bruce confirmation is great.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B guitars ~ isolation video on: December 04, 2019, 04:40:39 PM
This is honestly one of the coolest things Beach Boys related that I've ever heard. I was not expecting the last 3 minutes of this video to sound so friggin heavenly! Thank you thank you for putting these videos together!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 01, 2019, 10:51:44 AM
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This will also serve the essential purpose of annoying people who would rather ridicule a complete stranger than say something encouraging to a fellow “vinyls” collector, especially those who may be just getting started in the hobby.

Sad that happens. I'm totally cool with saying vinyl or records, but I legitimately had no idea the plural for vinyl didn't include an "s". So apologies to those in this thread whose reaction was an eye-roll for that. In the future, perhaps if you encounter this faux pas again, explain why instead of not explaining - I had no idea if you guys were being serious about the word "vinyls" or why it was even an issue.

I know i'm showing my age, but I still role my eyes at people talking about "vinyls".

As long as we're pointing out mistakes, you don't "role" eyes but rather "roll".

Anywho, glad this was pointed out to me and I won't be making the mistake again.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 28, 2019, 04:59:18 AM
Pretty much all of my vinyls are stored in a closet where no one sees 'em. I actually bought Ziggy Stardust from Target a year ago (and I listen to it from time to time) and it sits on a shelf mixed in with a lot of other vinyls, not being used as a vanity product.

I think those who purchase modern vinyls have various reasons for getting them - vanity is definitely one of them for some, but others have different reasons - personally I like the experience of listening to a vinyl. I find that I actually sit and listen to the music more closely: the music is my #1 priority at that time (because firstly I know that the vinyl will wear out one day and that every listen is a precious one, and two I have to physically interact with the record by flipping it over). And while this sounds completely stupid, it can be compared to watching a movie in a movie theater vs watching the same exact movie on an 85" flatscreen in 4K with Dolby Surround in your home - it's both technically the same exact movie that you're viewing on giant screens, but they are different experiences. Some prefer one or the other. And that's the way it is for me with vinyl vs listening with my iPhone. I do both, and do the latter much more. But when I'm chilling out and really focussing on music I prefer the vinyl. Just a personal preference.

Also, there are some vintage records that aren't available digitally that are available on vinyl - albeit none that you would buy in Target, but nonetheless, if I own a rare classical music album on vinyl (and quite a few vintage BB records that sound better than their digital copies), I might as well buy some other modern pressed albums to accompany it (mostly because, again, I like the experience).

Everyone is different and everyone has their own weird ways of consuming entertainment. Some people are completely happy displaying pictures in digital frames while others prefer print, even though they are virtually the same thing. Vanity is definitely a reason for some (and I admit I have displayed my SMiLE record before for vanity sake), but it's not the only reason.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 27, 2019, 03:47:25 AM
To be honest, I haven't been able to afford even many of the digital releases in recent years. So I completely hear ya there. The Smile Sessions on iTunes actually came out one day before the physical set came out - and it was quite a bit cheaper than the physical set iirc. So there were ways to get the 5 CD's worth of music without needing to pay the extra cost for the vinyls, book, poster, etc. And I admit that iTunes quality isn't FLAC quality, but to my ears through my studio headphones or speaker setup I don't hear a major difference (not enough of a difference to matter).

Again I'll say, there was a lot about the boxset that was over-the-top - heck, there were some sets that came with lights on the inside of the 3D Smile shop! But it kinda had to be over-the-top given the rare nature of this album (being one of the most famous unreleased albums in history). I totally forgot yesterday, but not only did it come with the LPs but it came with the 45s with their respective artwork on the sleeves - which I have rarely ever listened to, but I love to have in my collection. In one package we got everything a person would've gotten (obviously a different track listing and mix) in 1967 had this album come out then...which, I think, is exactly what Mark Linett, Alan Boyd were partly trying to achieve with this set. So yeah, unfortunately it cost more, but it also made it one of the most unique boxsets to ever be released (and all the CD contents were available to purchase digitally without all the added flair).
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 26, 2019, 05:24:37 PM
Regarding the "bloat" adding vinyl to a CD boxed set, it's simply a case of adding needless *cost* to a set where all of the components are also available separately.

I guarantee you there are hundreds if not a few thousand vinyl copies of "Smile" just sitting there in that big 2011 "Smile Sessions" boxed set going unused.

And I guarantee there are hundreds if not a few thousand copies of booklets from these boxsets that no one opens that just sit around. I legit have opened the Made In California book probably twice ever since I got it. And the second time I opened it I think was to retrieve a CD. Point being, there will always be something that certain people don't want in a boxset that we could technically buy piecemeal (hell, I could've done without the entire Good Vibrations sessions CD on the Smile Set).....or we could support a project (without whining about it) that comes with a lot of goodies all in one set.

And again I'll say, I'm speaking about the SMiLE set where I think it was a really good idea to include the vinyl - just because of the historical significance of probably the most famous unreleased album of all time finally getting a release...and what that vinyl release could have looked like in 1967. Having a boxset for Sunflower/Surf's Up with vinyls probably isn't the best idea, and I fully admit that, but it's something that I personally would like. In the future I'll specify that I'd want two boxsets, one for vinyl fans and one for not, only so we don't have to debate this every time a new boxset is mentioned.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 26, 2019, 10:02:39 AM
Well I enjoy having the vinyl included. Should've made my disclaimer longer in my original post - every time I mention the word vinyl here I get a diatribe back about it. Again I say, it's just my preference and to me it's not "bloat" and it's not "repetitive".

As for the vinyl release of SMiLE, it did get a separate release as well apart from the boxset. The smaller CD set also came with a button that the large boxset didn't come with. I mean, we could also complain about the 3-dimensional boxset artwork because that was completely pointless and added a lot of cost to the set. But I won't because that attention to detail made it a very special product. Likewise, the inclusion of the vinyl made it more of a special product too. In the 40 years that the totality of Smile was ignored by the band (in any official capacity - and I say total because we never got a set that accumulated all the sessions and songs together) I don't think an added $30 to the cost of a boxset that released all of this in amazing quality is worth whining about.

It's funny that every time a set is released we are told to "go buy it because it helps support future projects"....but apparently it was a burden that they added some value to the Smile set with vinyls (that only added profit to the project and thus helped support future projects). Some here get lambasted for streaming these sets while others complain that we can't spend too much money to support these projects due to supposed bloat and repetitiveness.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love's Christmas package on sale now on: November 26, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Not to spoil the fun, but that looks like the audiobook version (Penguin Audio logo on the corner), so the box look makes some sense. Still a pretty bad photoshop though.

Good catch! Before I posted that I looked at the other photoshopped items in his online store. No version of this book is getting any good treatment haha:

18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 26, 2019, 09:25:55 AM
Digital/Streaming is just fine with me.

...if the boxset is physical and it comes with some vinyls and a nice booklet...



I agree on the booklet, but it's a hard no on the vinyl. The vinyl is why the Smile Sessions boxset is way more expensive. It's a needless extravagance that should be a separate release. At the very least there should be a cheaper version without any vinyl.

As I said I know that it's not everyone's preference...just something I would like. As for the Smile Sessions - that's kind of a boxset that had to come with a vinyl. I completely see why Surf's Up and Sunflower would be redundant to some fans (especially fans who have owned several of the vinyl releases over the years), but Smile at that point had no official release - it was kinda like them saying "finally, here is what you possibly would've gotten in 1967", so a boxset including vinyls made perfect sense to me.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love's Christmas package on sale now on: November 25, 2019, 04:03:56 PM


I am floored that the graphic designer doesn't have one decent picture of Mike's book to market with this set...or that they didn't spend more than 10 seconds photoshopping the cover onto an actual book. It legit looks like I'm being sold a box of cereal with 'Good Vibrations' written on it.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 25, 2019, 03:57:46 PM
Digital/Streaming is just fine with me.

However, if the boxset is physical and it comes with some vinyls and a nice booklet, I will likely buy it in that format. And yes, I know vinyls aren't everyone's personal preference, but it's just the way I'd like it packaged.

Wish list:

- Vocals only of WIBNTLA backing vocals
- A decent sounding version of the backing vocals for Til I Die
- Anything that has to do with 'This Whole World'
- Any demos for any songs from this era
- Brian's Til I Die piano demo
- The list goes on and on

Cannot wait for any official word about this release.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jeff Foskett on: November 23, 2019, 11:14:58 AM
Very sad news.

I just listened to Voices. I am absolutely digging this album. Chalk it up to ignorance on my part, but I didn't really realize Jeff's vocal range - I always just knew him as the falsetto guy...but he's got such a great range especially on those lower notes. His range all over 'Warmth of the Sun' is incredible. In the past I've been critical of how his falsetto was mixed onto Brian's albums (they always stuck his falsetto right on top of the mix instead of mixing it in and blending it, to my ears anyways). But I don't really get that feeling on this album. I just hear a lot of amazing harmonies that are really well mixed together.

True Love Ways, Everything That Touches You, Warmth of the Sun, I Shall Be Released, Heartbeat, Adios are amazing standouts (the rest of the tracks are great too, though).

I would imagine he added 'Laughter In The Rain' just because it fits so well with the rest of the material here, and if it is his last album I don't blame him for trying to package such a great a cappella track with the rest of these songs.

Sending prayers and good vibes your way Jeff. What a fantastic album.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Welcome thread on: November 19, 2019, 08:51:18 AM
Folks, I'm taking a sabbatical from forum activity. It became patently clear today that my priorities right now are all wrong.

My apologies, particularly to aeijtzsche, whose recent posts have been a constant source of inspiration and enlightenment.

I have taken much needed hiatuses from the forum and they've been a breath of much needed fresh air. It's funny, sometimes the internet can slowly/sneakily start to consume little moments of your life that you'll never get back...a long break from it can really help give you perspective on what is really important in one's life.

That being said, we will definitely miss you around here! You've always been a constant source of positivity especially when I or others brought negativity here. Be sure to keep your eyes and ears out for the upcoming boxset!

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: November 11, 2019, 02:31:59 PM
Look at it this way...what do you think Brian would rather have?
  - day after day of sitting in his chair watching Wheel of Fortune
or
 - being on stage with an amazing band, doing loving renditions of his songs, when people leap to their feet applauding, cheering, yelling "I love you, Brian!"

The shy smile I saw after GOK at the Milwaukee show gives me the clear answer. 

I've said it before here and I'll say it again - people are thinking about 'retirement' in the way that one would retire from a 9-to-5 time-clock-punching job.  Why do people retire?  To get away from the daily grind and do more leisurely things.  That has never been Brian's life.  It's not like he's going to take up golf or build furniture in his basement to travel the country in an RV (though he kinda is doing this now in his tour bus!)  I doubt he's ever lacked the time for non-music pursuits.  Brian himself said (can't remember if it's in his book or in an interview) that he tours so that he doesn't sit at home on his ass. 

So let him be.

Both you and Juggler hit the nail on the head. I just started reading Brian's book (about a quarter of the way through now) but he has a great line regarding touring:

"The truth is that I will never really be comfortable up there, but I know how to tough it out and get through it. And whether I'm comfortable or not, it's a place where I can be what I am."

In I Am Brian Wilson he details his fears about performing in front of people - he talks about how scary it is to hear the voices when he's up on stage (and how this distracts him a lot from performing). But he also talks about how the Wondermints have become family to him - the jokes they share on the road, the feeling of control he feels (that he lost with the Beach Boys back in 60s) - from what I gather from the book, he feels like a leader again. The book gives a great perspective on why he dislikes performing but also why he likes it. As with anything in life, it's not black and white.

In the wake of the ever-quieting vocal minority who thinks Melinda and the band are deviously raking in the cash with this 'Weekend at Bernie's' type scheme, it's nice to see an outpouring of support and logical posts regarding the matter. As for me, today I got my tickets for a BW show in January - if the September and October shows are any indication I think it's going to be one hell of a great concert!
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Our Prayer (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: November 10, 2019, 05:17:24 PM
This is so amazingly chill - I always look forward to these videos!

One thing I'd love to hear in the future is a cover of the backing track for 'In The Back Of My Mind' - one of Brian's most incredible compositions.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: November 10, 2019, 05:15:37 PM
Fantastic post, Debbie. One thing I'd like to add to those thoughts about his band, is that I've been able to spend a small amount of time with some of the band before and after some shows: the amount of absolute joy these guys have for the music and their willingness to happily talk with fans about this or that is awesome. I know many others here can attest to their gracious, kind-hearted natures. Anywho, that some people think these guys are merely using Brian for a paycheck is a pretty awful accusation.

As for Brian doing another album: I would love for him to do it, but I also want him to do whatever he want to do...and frankly I'm very happy he's still touring because it gives me another chance to go see him in person next year.

By the way, with complete sincerity, thanks so much again Lonely Summer. I wouldn't have checked on his tickets had you not talked about viewing Brian's recent concert videos (which I was thoroughly impressed with) - I'll be going to see him in a couple months and I'm so excited for it!
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