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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The new Beach Boys shows are a spectacle on: Yesterday at 09:36:07 AM
Send that clip to Noven Jaisi for the next video montage.

LOL
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The new Beach Boys shows are a spectacle on: Yesterday at 09:23:38 AM
Don't let Bruce's diversion distract you from Totten's weird guitar routine (and calling it weird is the polite, sympathetic characterization).

LOL

Kinda shocked he still does this these days. I love how this video almost seems choreographed in it's ridiculousness. Totten is doing this squatting shuffle behind this woman (clearly the video from Japan from years back of the cheerleader grinding on him has shamed him into including a buffer zone between him and the woman while doing this routine)....making it even more ridiculous is that there is, what looks like, a 12 year old kid happily dancing 2 feet behind this bizarre spectacle. Mike is doing some line dance with Bruce...of which the fancy footwork are just too much for Bruce to handle, sending him tumbling backwards (props to the camera man/woman for getting all this). And finally the hand reaching out to Bruce from the audience has the scariest fingernails I've ever seen. You just can't make this up.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The new Beach Boys shows are a spectacle on: Yesterday at 08:33:12 AM
wtf did I just watch LOL
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 13, 2019, 11:17:08 AM
Thanks for that Wirestone.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Three new albums in as many years - more reissues to follow? on: August 13, 2019, 08:21:41 AM
The latest, "12 Sides of Summer", I might sit that one out. Read nothing but bad reviews of it.

It is up on YouTube I believe, go and check out the tracks...if you liked UTL then you'd probably like this. There were a few reviews initially that were glowing about the album - and even those who have been more critical of Mike in the past thought 'Girl From Ipanema' was pretty darn good. I personally didn't care for the sound of the album at all, but my (and others) opinion shouldn't stop you from giving the tracks a chance!
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: August 11, 2019, 05:45:29 PM
One of the best I've seen in that regard was Scorcese's take on Dylan.

That doc was completely made up, at least big portions of it..which brings up a good point, would a fake doc about the BB be worth making/watching? I feel like the reason it worked with Dylan is he has such a mystique, doesnt do interviews, people dont really know much about his life, hell he doesnt even talk between songs on stage... that most of the made up stuff couldve been true and no one wouldve known....but so much more is known about the BBs, especially with Mike constatly doing interviews,  same with Brian, etc I feel like doing the same thing about the BB wouldnt really work....

I guess I'm completely out of the loop. Could you briefly expand on how big portions of that doc are made up? I have read many a book on Dylan, but it has been a while since I've read those books, I guess I don't remember anything in that doc being out of the ordinary from what I read in the books.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 11, 2019, 05:41:56 PM
While I appreciate those just wanting to see him under any circumstances, the guy owes me zip. I’ll continue playing the music, listening on Spotify etc and if he makes some money through those mediums, more power to him, but I can not see him the way Little Richard, Chuck Berry played their final shows or Jerry Lee Lewis still does. Sorry.

I completely understand this. I became a fan around 2009 - just a measly 10 years ago - so I think any chance I can get I love to see the guy to capture some of the magic. But for those fans who saw Brian in better shape and then to watch the performances deteriorate to a level you don't dig, I completely get not wanting to see such a thing.

And I agree, he owes us zip...I support him if he tours or not. I just want the guy to do whatever keeps him happy and healthy.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders on: August 11, 2019, 06:50:32 AM
Brilliant, funny, sweet film.  Have seen it twice; excited about seeing it again.  The first time I just took it all in.  The second, I was able to take the ride with the characters and notice things I missed.  One was Cliff and Rick's drunken conversation about legendary action movie director William Witney.  Witney's son is a friend of mine and I got a huge kick out of texting him - "You have to see this now - they're talking about your Dad!"

Two emotional musical moments stand out for me among many:

1. California Dreamin' - a montage as the day - and the second act finish - as Tim Olyphant as actor James Stacy gets on his motorcycle and drives away from the studio... foreshadowing a later event in his life

2. Out of Time - another montage in the third act.  Musically and lyrically, a major emotional wallop for me.

LANCER was a hip and edgy western series for its time - so different from contemporary traditional western shows like GUNSMOKE, BIG VALLEY, THE VIRGINIAN, BONANZA, etc.

A perfect masterpiece.  A treasure.

Completely agree! Just saw it yesterday and I can't stop thinking about it. I'm beginning to realize that it may be a favorite movie of mine now.

That 'Out Of Time' sequence was just phenomenal. And that "mechanical asshole" line had the entire theatre in tears laughing LOL

It's a phenomenal and engaging work of art, in my opinion. Funny, sad, outrageous, colorful. I love it and am kinda thinking about going to see it again before it leaves theaters.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 10, 2019, 02:45:55 AM
Nobody’s talked about this yet...

Per Facebook Brian will be playing all of Friends and Wild honey in its entirety!

Seriously!? I would love to hear that. Friends is my second favorite BB album...Is this a one time thing? Or will it become regular?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 10, 2019, 02:36:25 AM
I see so many people here say they go to Brian's shows not for a great performance by the man, but just to be in his presence, just to be bask in his glow. Do people say the same thing about Bob Dylan when he gives a bad performance? Do people go to Paul McCartney's shows "just to see a Beatle"? "oh, his voice is gone, and his new songs are shite, but he's Paul McCartney! He's a legend! He's a Beatle!" I've only been to one concert where I had to use that kind of logic to justify the expense: Wilson Pickett, just about a year before he died. I knew nothing about his health problems at the time, all I knew is that I went to his show expecting him to blow the roof off the place with songs like In the Midnight Hour, Funky Broadway, Mustang Sally, and Land of 1000 Dances. Instead, what we got was Mr. Pickett coming out, singing a couple songs, then ceding the stage to his backing musicians for 5 or 10 minutes. Then he came back and sang another song. Then he left the stage again. This went on for over an hour. I thought maybe he was sick and had to run to the bathroom every 5 minutes. Nope. One of the security guards said he was just sitting backstage while his band and singers carried on. The show ended abruptly, and there was a lot of grumbling in the crowd about what a disappointing show it had been. Some wanted their money back. Maybe I should have told them "stop your complaining, you were in the presence of a legend! You should be thankful he sang you anything at all!"
Again, none of us knew about his health problems, and in retrospect, I feel kind of sad for him, but that's why all performers need someone around them who can tell them the truth. When you can't cut it anymore, it's better to retire; people will still have the records, the cd's, the videos.

When we say we go to see Brian Wilson not to hear a pitch-perfect Brian, but to see the man himself, we also mean that he has a backing-band that Paul McCartney has said is the best backing band in the world. We also mean we get to see a man who Bob Dylan himself reveres. We get to hear Al Jardine who doesn't sound a day over 30. We get to hear Blondie rock the hell out on songs. If we stick around long enough we can interact with some of the band (who are really the nicest people to talk with!). The last Brian Wilson concert I went to I had the time of my life. Was Brian in tip-top shape? No! It honestly didn't matter to me and to the hundreds of other people singing along to every song they were playing. Ya see, most people who go to Brian Wilson concerts aren't wearing tin-foil hats spending day after day on the internet posting about how Brian's band and Melinda are using Brian like a Manchurian candidate to harvest billions of dollars in profit from the Pet Sounds tour (so the band, Melinda, and Brian's family don't end up begging for money on the street) - most of the people who go to his shows are strictly fans of Brian and The Beach Boys. And the fact Brian/the band keep touring is a good sign that people are still liking what they hear/see...so it honestly doesn't matter what you, I, or anyone on this website thinks.

Anyways, you can say "When you can't cut it anymore, it's better to retire", and all of us on our computers at home can waste time speculating this or that about whether Brian should be touring....simple fact is that Brian is 77 years old, alive and well, and we should be thankful for whatever is keeping the man going.

Also, reposting my previous reply to you in this thread:

but Brian..well, I still doubt that he is in control of his own destiny. There's too many band members and family members counting on that paycheck.
I think if Carl and Dennis were still here, this charade would have ended several years ago.

So I replied to a similar comment of yours a few weeks ago regarding this very issue (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26082.msg651089.html#msg651089). Which of course you ignored as you have a very consistent track record of ignoring my responses to your monotonous tirades about Brian and those he is around. Which is odd, because I feel like I bring up some fairly rational outlooks regarding your posts, and I would like to read any counterpoints you may have...But instead my posts get ignored and soon enough we all get to read the same broken record posts of yours in another thread.

I'm just going to leave a quote from my post a few weeks ago in response to your post here.

Quote
Scenario 1: Melinda Wilson is controlling Brian. So let's get this straight, Brian's net worth is $75 million. $75,000,000.00. Obviously this is not money he has in the bank, but it shows that the man isn't hurting for cash. Yet supposedly Melinda needs to risk the public exposure of controlling Brian like Landy by forcing Brian to hop on a tour bus, strictly tour Pet Sounds shows to make them more money? And all of Brian's family and friends, including his daughters who actually talk to the guy, don't do anything to stop this atrocity?

Scenario 2: The band is controlling Brian. The band, including Darian and Al, need to stay employed so they somehow have a secret cabal of controllers forcing Brian to tour so they can put food on their tables (apparently this is the only way they can have gainful employment). So the band, ignoring the fact that Melinda has already taken down the controlling Landy (to the point where a major motion picture was made about it), secretly forces Brian to tour, hoodwinking Melinda in the process.

If there are any scenarios (or alterations to the above scenarios) that don't sound completely asinine, please share them (anyone). Because I'm just trying to logically get to the bottom of this point of view.

I really would like to know your thoughts on this issue. Because I'm finding any logic to be completely missing from your argument...your theory implies that Brian's band has ZERO heart (because even if Brian was continuing the show on his own accord solely just to keep the band employed apparently you think NONE of the band members would quit out of protest because they need the paycheck more than they care about Brian's health/stability (and this is all dependent on this idea that Brian's health/stability is in some mortal jeopardy)?). Also, according to you Brian's family is depending on the paltry paycheck from this touring gig. Again, I posted a few weeks ago that Brian's net worth (not cash he has in the bank, but it still gives a good glimpse at how the family is NOT living from paycheck to paycheck) is $75 Million. So you're completely wrong about that. And you act like the band members aren't capable of finding jobs on their own outside of Brian's band...hell with this hypothesis you grant the band members as much intelligence as you grant Brian...which isn't much.

Unless you can actually back up that Brian's family needs this paycheck, or that Brian isn't controlling anything in his life and his band or roadies or tech people or bus driver are pulling some mischievous strings to keep Brian on tour (all so they don't end up in the welfare line?) with actual evidence, I'd suggest stop making these ridiculous claims. I'd also suggest if you are going to keep making these ridiculous claims, perhaps try responding to my posts with some in-depth thoughts about your theories?

Also, in response to your last line, I think if Carl and Dennis were alive today they would be appalled at the amount of keyboard warriors who allude to the idea that Brian is a damn vegetable and has no control over his life. I think they'd be happy that Brian no longer lives in an environment where Carl and Dennis aren't welcome to see him anytime they want. I think they'd be happy knowing that Brian isn't sitting at home on his ass busy doin' nothin'.

Most of all, I think Carl and Dennis would be happy that Brian has defied all the odds: the drug use, the obesity, the mental illnesses, the Landy years...and is alive and well (and active) at the age of 77.

edit for missing words
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 03:32:19 PM
This is probably a piece of speculation that is going a bit too far, I understand if I'm called out for it. I do not believe anyone is making tour but Brian Wilson himself. Is it possible that Brian is forcing himself to do this? Is he actually causing himself physical pain and making himself get out on the road and on stage even when he isn't physically or mentally for it? Pressure to do this could come from a past of NOT doing it that much, the success of recent years, a desire to keep the music alive on stage etc. Maybe those around him should try and convince him of a different performance arrangement. Maybe he could work out a residency arrangement close to home at a theatre somewhere, like Billy Joel has done at MSG and do one or two appearances in big cities elsewhere in the country at his leisure.

I like to think that Brian is actually happy on the road - looking out the window ever so often to see the countryside from the tour bus, sitting in his leather chair watching some tv, eating different kinds of food from all over the country, and of course getting into the rhythm of the show during soundcheck (where I've seen him really active and joyful about performing with his band). I think you raise some good points to ponder, especially that he may be causing himself mental and physical pain. However, I will counter that by saying that Brian just took himself off touring for a while because he was having mental issues...and I think it was easily deduced that the mental issues he started having were the result of back surgery gone awry (and the meds following)...not the touring. So obviously he tries to keep his mental health in check. And like any man he could just be stubborn about his pain from the back surgery...is that good for him? Well on the flip side he could be at home not really interacting with the world around him and his back would still be hurting the hell out of him. So I'm inclined to think that at least mentally he is better off on the road than sitting around in his house.

And here's another thing: perhaps Brian hearing applause and cheers is enjoyable to him - especially after NPP. Remember when he recorded NPP and he got trashed both by supposed "fans" of his and the music press? One chipper music critic said that NPP reminded him of an old wheelchair bound man (Brian) being wheeled out to Thanksgiving dinner and being "forced" the interact with people at the table...how condescending is that? And imagine if Brian himself read that? Anywho, if he was aware of any of that controversy he probably does like hearing some recognition for his work these days. Just speculation of course.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 07:33:10 AM
I don't consider Brian to be controlled and I believe that this is something that he wants to do. What I don't know is what it is about this that he wants to do and if there are perhaps more beneficial outlets for him to achieve what it is he's trying to get out of these experiences.

The way I see it: If people aren't satisfied with his shows they will stop buying tickets. Any consumer wanting to buy tickets can easily search youtube for recent shows and see if it's something worth going to. As has been mentioned in this thread, some of us go to these shows not to hear Brian sing a pitch-perfect show, but to see the man in real life and be apart of the magic. I think most of us have felt that at his shows regardless of how well Brian is singing. And thus people continue to go to his shows.

We can sit here and complain about shows or speculate about whether Brian should still be doing this stuff, but until ticket sales plunge I don't think it really matters what we think.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2019, 05:09:21 AM
but Brian..well, I still doubt that he is in control of his own destiny. There's too many band members and family members counting on that paycheck.
I think if Carl and Dennis were still here, this charade would have ended several years ago.

So I replied to a similar comment of yours a few weeks ago regarding this very issue (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26082.msg651089.html#msg651089). Which of course you ignored as you have a very consistent track record of ignoring my responses to your monotonous tirades about Brian and those he is around. Which is odd, because I feel like I bring up some fairly rational outlooks regarding your posts, and I would like to read any counterpoints you may have...But instead my posts get ignored and soon enough we all get to read the same broken record posts of yours in another thread.

I'm just going to leave a quote from my post a few weeks ago in response to your post here.

Quote
Scenario 1: Melinda Wilson is controlling Brian. So let's get this straight, Brian's net worth is $75 million. $75,000,000.00. Obviously this is not money he has in the bank, but it shows that the man isn't hurting for cash. Yet supposedly Melinda needs to risk the public exposure of controlling Brian like Landy by forcing Brian to hop on a tour bus, strictly tour Pet Sounds shows to make them more money? And all of Brian's family and friends, including his daughters who actually talk to the guy, don't do anything to stop this atrocity?

Scenario 2: The band is controlling Brian. The band, including Darian and Al, need to stay employed so they somehow have a secret cabal of controllers forcing Brian to tour so they can put food on their tables (apparently this is the only way they can have gainful employment). So the band, ignoring the fact that Melinda has already taken down the controlling Landy (to the point where a major motion picture was made about it), secretly forces Brian to tour, hoodwinking Melinda in the process.

If there are any scenarios (or alterations to the above scenarios) that don't sound completely asinine, please share them (anyone). Because I'm just trying to logically get to the bottom of this point of view.

I really would like to know your thoughts on this issue. Because I'm finding any logic to be completely missing from your argument...your theory implies that Brian's band has ZERO heart (because even if Brian was continuing the show on his own accord solely just to keep the band employed apparently you think NONE of the band members would quit out of protest because they need the paycheck more than they care about Brian's health/stability (and this is all dependent on this idea that Brian's health/stability is in some mortal jeopardy)?). Also, according to you Brian's family is depending on the paltry paycheck from this touring gig. Again, I posted a few weeks ago that Brian's net worth (not cash he has in the bank, but it still gives a good glimpse at how the family is NOT living from paycheck to paycheck) is $75 Million. So you're completely wrong about that. And you act like the band members aren't capable of finding jobs on their own outside of Brian's band...hell with this hypothesis you grant the band members as much intelligence as you grant Brian...which isn't much.

Unless you can actually back up that Brian's family needs this paycheck, or that Brian isn't controlling anything in his life and his band or roadies or tech people or bus driver are pulling some mischievous strings to keep Brian on tour (all so they don't end up in the welfare line?) with actual evidence, I'd suggest stop making these ridiculous claims. I'd also suggest if you are going to keep making these ridiculous claims, perhaps try responding to my posts with some in-depth thoughts about your theories?

Also, in response to your last line, I think if Carl and Dennis were alive today they would be appalled at the amount of keyboard warriors who allude to the idea that Brian is a damn vegetable and has no control over his life. I think they'd be happy that Brian no longer lives in an environment where Carl and Dennis aren't welcome to see him anytime they want. I think they'd be happy knowing that Brian isn't sitting at home on his ass busy doin' nothin'.

Most of all, I think Carl and Dennis would be happy that Brian has defied all the odds: the drug use, the obesity, the mental illnesses, the Landy years...and is alive and well (and active) at the age of 77.

edit for missing words
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Nicky Wonder on: August 07, 2019, 05:18:56 PM
Sending prayers for his family and friends. What an incredible talent and he will be missed badly. I hope Brian and the band are doing okay Sad
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 07, 2019, 09:13:19 AM
Judging by his website and Instagram, Noven and Mike are somewhat close.

Looking at Jaisi's Instagram, he implies that he was working with Mike's management since 2014...yet this quote from Andrew G Doe:

Mike's management say the video is nothing to do with them. Seems to be a fan creation, although they admit it's very well done.

claims that in October 2015 Mike's management knew nothing about Jaisi's video. Given the track record, I'm very inclined to believe Jaisi's account of things, so it's curious to me why management would deny the video had anything to do with them in October 2015 when it appears they did know of Jaisi and made things happen as far back as 2014. Also funny to remember the circus that followed with Andrew Doe claiming "schadenfreude" regarding posters asking some fairly straightforward questions about the odd circumstances around the video. Heck, Iian Lee even joined in to push back against people asking questions.

Anyways, this post has nothing to do with Jaisi, I'm really glad he is doing what he loves and he seems to have a lot of talent and drive...I really am looking forward to seeing where he takes all this. It's just interesting to see how people on this forum who are pretty close with Mike treated posters on this site because said posters merely asked some simple questions regarding the creation of the 'Still Tourin' video. In hindsight, it's beyond ironic the word schadenfreude was even brought up.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 06, 2019, 06:29:49 PM
Regarding Sloop, there's a Boot of home recordings from Brian's tape recorder when he was in high school long before The Beach Boys were even a thing. If memory serves correctly there is an a cappella recording of some of the guys doing Sloop John B - and it is far far from what Brian eventually ended up with on Pet Sounds (it is a much more tradition folk cover). So with that being said, given that Al was such a big fan of the Trio, I'm inclined to think that he did come to Brian with a bare-bones arrangement that sounded suitable enough for the Beach Boys in order to persuade Brian to record it....And then Brian took it to a whole other world. Also, Al specifically says "And I rearranged it a little bit" so he's not really saying he did a ton of arranging for it.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 06, 2019, 08:15:41 AM
@rickymyfataar meant to say intro to the shows, not promo for the tour, it was early haha...thanks for the correction.

I remember very vividly seeing the film on the opening night of the 2017 Mike and Bruce tour at the Royal Albert Hall in London.  Honestly, the video is so good and uses so much old footage that it had me hyped up, almost thinking I was about to see Brian, Carl, Al, Mike, Dennis and Bruce walk onto the stage - as opposed to just Mike and Bruce (with all due respect).  The video throughout the whole concert was very well done (no idea if Noven Jaisi was involved in all of it or just that opening clip) but it was also incredibly strange in that it featured many shots not just of Carl and Dennis, but also of Brian and Al, all presented in a very nostalgic, rose-tinted glasses kind of way.  I remember sitting there thinking that I wanted to say to Mike “you know, two of these guys are still alive, and you could be touring with them right now, instead of performing with a different band in front of old footage of them”.  The whole thing is extremely odd.     

This is exactly it. What really seemed odd were the soundbites from Brian himself...that's the moment where I was thinking, Brian could be up on stage talking/singing himself during the whole concert ya know.

Idk, that whole thing is odd. Noven seemingly came out of nowhere focussing almost solely on Mike's touring group. Not knocking it, but who in the world would make a hobby out of making promo videos for Mike's touring version of the Beach Boys? And I would say the same thing if someone were making fake promo videos for Brian's band...To me, it only makes sense if Noven was targeting Mike's band, trying to get a job out of it from the get-go. The whole thing is pretty interesting; I wonder what actually happened.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Noven Jaisi on: August 05, 2019, 06:30:11 AM
Man, a ton of footage of original Beach Boys in this, considering it's a promo for Mike's tour, right?

Reminds me of the ad for one of his shows I edited (they promoted the Mike and Bruce show using all the original Beach Boys...which is a pretty unfair way to market what you're selling/promoting).

19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: August 02, 2019, 03:10:58 AM

There's no doubt Unleash the Love - essentially a reworked "Mike Love Not War" - is Mike's best solo project, with some good self-written songs, even if the production is somewhat sterile.  It's unfortunate it took so long for it to become a reality because his voice was so much better when Mike Love Not War was recorded.  His voice sounded really bad on the Christmas album Reason for the Season but with the magic of autotune and who knows what else actually sounded a little improved on 12 Sides of  Summer.

I would think any album containing a bad "curry" dialog line/joke spoken in a bad fake Indian accent would disqualify itself from being the best solo album. Can you imagine if Mike did a Mickey Rooney-esque Japanese impersonation talking about eating a fortune cookie at the end of Sumahama? Well that's basically what Ram Raj has.

I completely forgot about that - it's crazy that the ONE song I thought had some originality to it on that album ends with some risqué racial* "humor" - in this day and age someone should've caught that immediately and trashed it before it left the studio. I remember when that first emerged - it took awhile for someone to notice it because barely anyone was listening to the tracks all the way through LOL

*before I get flayed alive, I want to say while I don't think it was racist in its intent at all, it is "humor" at the expense of a race. Ironic that the title of the album is Mike Love Not War - clearly no one who worked on that album would walk up to an Indian person in real life and do such an impression to their face, so why on earth do it on an album that is touting the virtues of love and peace?
Okay, I read about it all over this board, then I got the cd and finally heard it, and my reaction was "what was all the fuss about?" Have we really gotten that hypersensitive these days?

Would you say the same line in the same way directly to the face of an Indian person?

If no, then why? Could it be because it is perpetuating a stereotype and generalizing an entire race by mimicking an accent? And if yes, would you also be cool with Mike releasing an album with a vocal snippet of someone mimicking an African American and stereotyping the food they eat? Why would that be any different?  

If that's "hypersensitivity", guilty as friggin charged. What you call hypersensitivity I just call not being a prick.

edit: Again I'll say, I don't think the intent was ill-natured at all...Especially in an age where we all have probably seen more than one episode of the Simpsons. But I think we should still ask the question, is it cool to mimick accents and continue to use racial/cultural stereotypes? No, it's not. When you get down to it, what is the purpose of mimicking someone's accent and stereotyping their culture? Is it bringing that person up? Or is it bringing them down? Because it's doing one or the other and I'm fairly certain it's not making a positive impact on their lives. So why even have such a thing on an album that is supposed to have a positive impact on the world?
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: August 01, 2019, 03:41:44 PM

There's no doubt Unleash the Love - essentially a reworked "Mike Love Not War" - is Mike's best solo project, with some good self-written songs, even if the production is somewhat sterile.  It's unfortunate it took so long for it to become a reality because his voice was so much better when Mike Love Not War was recorded.  His voice sounded really bad on the Christmas album Reason for the Season but with the magic of autotune and who knows what else actually sounded a little improved on 12 Sides of  Summer.

I would think any album containing a bad "curry" dialog line/joke spoken in a bad fake Indian accent would disqualify itself from being the best solo album. Can you imagine if Mike did a Mickey Rooney-esque Japanese impersonation talking about eating a fortune cookie at the end of Sumahama? Well that's basically what Ram Raj has.

I completely forgot about that - it's crazy that the ONE song I thought had some originality to it on that album ends with some risqué racial* "humor" - in this day and age someone should've caught that immediately and trashed it before it left the studio. I remember when that first emerged - it took awhile for someone to notice it because barely anyone was listening to the tracks all the way through LOL

*before I get flayed alive, I want to say while I don't think it was racist in its intent at all, it is "humor" at the expense of a race. Ironic that the title of the album is Mike Love Not War - clearly no one who worked on that album would walk up to an Indian person in real life and do such an impression to their face, so why on earth do it on an album that is touting the virtues of love and peace?
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys on: July 23, 2019, 05:19:59 PM
Oh.... and as much as I like Spring Vacation on TWGMTR, what's with that section at 2:10 when everyone appears to forget the lyrics ?!!!

I've always felt the vocals in that section were totally unfinished and way unacceptably sloppy, probably to meet a deadline of releasing the album. It's like Joe Thomas had some partial takes and just chopped up some incomplete autotuned vocal waveform chunks to make try and make it sound finished. Totally bugs me too.

Odd thing is, wasn't there a single version that came out with an intact (or more complete) middle-eight? I swear there's a version floating around that doesn't have this problem. Or maybe the single version was even worse than the album version Shrug
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys on: July 23, 2019, 03:44:03 AM
Jack’s singing on a day in the life of a tree. I DO love the song. But I heard Dennis almost took the vocal and I’d kill for that.
Especially because I love his vocals during that period and Van Dyke is on there. Can you imagine Dennis and Van dyke around a mic at this time in their career? Can there BE more opposite people in a room together?

I think at one point I didn't like Jack's lead either. But I got more used to it after hearing that it was an artistic decision to have this shaky voice singing from the perspective of a very old tree....from that perspective it makes perfect sense. Then at the end of the song you hear the ultimate juxtaposition of that shaky voice with the insanely beautiful harmonies from Carl and Al.vI read that Brian cried in the booth when he heard that coda.

Also I completely agree about Woncha Come Out Tonight LOL
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Peeves - The small things that grinds your gears listening to The Beach Boys on: July 21, 2019, 04:37:41 PM
When the drums first kick in on "the little girl I once knew", there's a timing issue where the very first drum hit is slightly late and the second he comes in slightly early to compensate.

 Always bugs me and could've certainly been remedied with just one more take!

A big pet peeve of mind relates to that song as well - during the intro (and throughout the song) Carol's bass falls out on the third note (I think it's just too deep of a sound), and it just falls with a thud compared to the other notes. As someone with a decent subwoofer it kinda just kills the intro for me.

I forget how many takes that song had, but I think it was quite a few - so Brian probably got sick of trying to make it absolutely perfect.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: July 19, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
That's a really cool post from John Fogerty. 

Indeed!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 12 Side of Summer - Review on: July 19, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
Since no one else has actually linked to a copy of this album, here ya go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plvvOo4308s&list=OLAK5uy_kOM8GpUlrb8jljl2YQSmZljUVm72d1ZtE
https://music.apple.com/us/album/12-sides-of-summer/1464934535

PLEASE LISTEN TO THE TRACKS BEFORE YOU SPEND HARD EARNED MONEY BUYING THIS ALBUM BASED ON OVERZEALOUS REVIEWS (NEGATIVE OR POSITIVE). Seriously, if this is your cup of tea, great! But listen to the tracks (or samples of them on iTunes) yourself to see if this actually sounds like a phenomenal album with ballsy, risky, contagious songs before you spend your money on it.

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Mike's age definitely shows in his vocals, but that's expected for anyone nearing 80

How could you tell when the digital processing slathered on his vocal tracks on every song completely destroys any natural sound of his voice? This is what blows my mind: I'm pretty sure that Mike has a good voice. I have heard the rare live track where he sounds spot on. And in a recording studio setting (where one is allowed as many takes as they want) I just don't see how they couldn't find a way to keep Mike's natural voice intact. But instead every track on here sounds like Mike's vocals are being fed through an electric chair. It's incredibly odd especially since Mike was offended enough by the idea of auto-tune that he ripped Brian about it when NPP came out. Does he even listen to these tracks before they're mastered/released? Or were his qualms about possible auto-tune on 'The Right Time' just a petulant way to piss off his cousin? I'm assuming the latter.

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I know that album will likely get blasted because its from ML

I legit don't think anyone needs to travel anywhere outside of this album to find reason to dislike this album. Put it another way, if this exact album were recorded by John Doe in Minneapolis, Minnesota and put on Soundcloud and someone linked it here, I highly doubt we'd see these same positive statements seen above. This album will likely get blasted solely because Hanson is a backdrop for robo-Mike vocals on a remake of a classic Beach Boys song.

I'm personally not going to do a song-by-song review like I have in the past. This album is just not my thing and I'll leave it at that. Props to those who do dig this, and I'm glad some will find great enjoyment from this album. I'm also happy that Mike is doing his thing in the studio.
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