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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 76 Big ones! on: June 20, 2018, 08:06:29 AM
Happy Birthday, Brian!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Era Message on: June 18, 2018, 11:10:30 AM
Great writeup GF. Makes me wonder what else is floating around out there.

It also reminds me of how shocked I was when I first got my hands on 'Look Listen Vibrate Smile' - I couldn't believe just how many news articles, ads, and blurbs about Smile there were in such a small time period in '66/'67. This new find makes me want that book to get an update.

Thanks, Bill! Always great to see your posts here.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 11, 2018, 09:45:28 AM
While Iíll agree that this album isnít for everyone, I hope everyone checks out this RPO version of Disney Girls. Had they done the whole album like that song I think it would be getting a much better reception among us more ardent fans.

One thing that I forgot to gripe about: the harpsichord on YSBIM is so jarring from the original that I canít enjoy the song at all. The original version has that heavenly harpsichord (Brian made it sound like an instrument that has never been played before or since the recording of Still Believe In Me) and that magic is completely missing from this version.

And one positive thing I will re-emphasize, this version of Sloop John B is amazing. They really made it into their own track without destroying the heart of the original version. And they added that extra vocal goodie at the end which really makes that track for me.

Get a good pair of headphones or speakers and listen to just Disney Girls and Sloop John B, itís worth it.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 08, 2018, 05:40:27 AM

Things I disliked:

Wouldn't It Be Nice. Why not just use the original track if you're going to basically emulate the original anyways?

I really liked this one.  Despite the great playing and arrangements on the original Pet Sounds recording, what we have today just sounds too mushy to my ears.  Whether it's because the original master wasn't available for any of the remasters (isn't the best quality in the vaults a copy of a copy or something like that?) or because of Brian's recording technique, allowing the instruments to bleed together, I just don't get on with the lack of separation between the instruments.  Hearing something close to the original arrangement,  with higher fidelity  - and crucially, the original vocals - is a real treat for my ears.

I'd go further, and in my fantasy world, I'd like to hear all of the Pet Sounds instrumentation re-recorded, along with the original vocals.

Some of these tracks clearly work better than others, but I'm always up for hearing those beautiful harmonies in another context. 

BTW, this is my first post in 12 years  Cool

I would totally agree with you about the mushiness if we had access to only the mono track. But the Stereo remasters of WIBN give this song all the clarity it needs...to my ears it sounds so clear its almost like I'm in the studio while it's being recorded. I'm glad you're enjoying this track though! I think there's something for everyone on this album if people are open minded about it.

Also, welcome back to posting after 12 years!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 07, 2018, 10:06:31 PM
Standouts:

Don't Worry Baby. Some really beautiful strings to accompany Brian's vocals.
Sloop John B. Ahhh finally a great sounding version with the "ooooh yeah yeah" tag vocals in (and they put it in twice!)
Disney Girls. I was among those who was thinking "Whattt??" when seeing that on the track listing. But it's one of the best tracks on this set (probably the best). Bruce sounds extraordinary against that backdrop of strings. Even if every ounce of your being hates the idea of this project, listen to this one track...and if you hate it apologies for wasting your time! 10/10
In My Room. Just like with Disney Girls, the strings really make such a great backdrop for the vocals.
The Warmth of the Sun. Just like the above two, the strings go perfectly with the vocals. Actually, this really reminds me of Murry Wilson's instrumental album, which had WOTS on it.
Good Vibrations. The middle eight strings are really beautiful.

Things I disliked:

Wouldn't It Be Nice. Why not just use the original track if you're going to basically emulate the original anyways?
God Only Knows. Same problem I had with WIBN. The tag is gorgeous but the rest of the song is basically a copy of the original backing track, only it sounds far inferior to the original.
Kokomo. It's sounds way too much like the original. I would have loved to have heard a reimagined chill string backing track, with zero percussion. Make it into something totally different that we're not used to.

The tracks I didn't mention I was indifferent about. It's a great album and I really thank all those who performed and put it together. That version of Disney Girls is stellar. I mean, the original track from SU hides so much of Bruce's voice (and you probably won't understand what I mean until you hear this new version), but this version is like a totally different animal...the track I thought I'd least like on this album turned out to be my favorite.

I can totally see why many will dislike this, and more power to them. The creators of this altered some really cherished music so I'd hope they'd expect at least some backlash for it. I will be listening to certain tracks from this over and over again. Of course they can't replace the originals but they are a fun and different (and mostly really beautiful) way to listen to these songs.

As someone who loathed the idea of this project in the beginning, count me as a fan of most of this album Smiley
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: June 07, 2018, 08:41:51 AM
"I refuse to retire"

He actually sounded passionate when he said that

I know there are some "concerned" fans out there who talk about Brian's back, Brian's health, and think he should retire. Bruce said recently something like how Brian shouldn't be touring anymore because of poor health and blamed some of Brian's fans for that.

From my perspective, Brian lives for music. We all have a reason for waking up in the morning and getting out of bed. We don't all just wake up to watch TV and then go back to bed. Brian is the same as all of us - to happily get out of bed in the morning he needs a passion in his life, and that passion for him is music. Sure, he loves his TV and deli food. But he's got a serious hope in his life: a drive to keep on trying for that number 1 hit again.

So when he says "I refuse to retire" it should sound passionate because it certainly is. And many of us are surprised by the statement because we're so used to the false rumors in the past of Brian being controlled and told what to do. To an extent I'm sure Brian is steered in certain directions for the sake of the brand name. That being said, it is his passion and it's what he lives for. So touring, recording, and writing songs are all part of this life of music he lives for. He'll be making music, sharing his muse until the end, and it's something every fan, band member (past or present), and future fans should be incredibly grateful for.

PS, I agree, with Coco, Don't Worry Baby does sound beautiful, and I can't wait to here TWOTS in its entirety!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: May 30, 2018, 02:26:55 PM
Heroes and Villains and Help Me, Rhonda sound awesome! https://www.facebook.com/thebeachboys/videos/10156410623054140/

Thanks for posting that! I love his last line from Al:

"It's an enlightening project, and we need enlightening because things are getting so dark. This is a nice balance for people, I think."

I think that's an important point. These tracks are meant to build us up, not bring us down. Overall when all the opinions (good or bad) are said and done the people who love this album will find joy in listening to it again and again and that's what matters. I'm glad that Al seems to like it a lot.

Good Vibrations has such a great moment during the "Gotta keep those, a lovin good, vibrations a happenin with ya" middle eight - those strings sound so sad and beautiful! The snippet of Heroes and Villains sounds like a trip, and Help Me Rhonda sounded beautiful. Thanks to the review above I'm really looking forward to hearing Darlin.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I'll Bet He's Nice piano demo on BW Instagram on: May 24, 2018, 02:30:06 AM
Does the better quality version include Mike saying "THAT IS A MOTHER F'ER!" at the end?

I actually think that might be a strike against this stuff being officially released.  AFAIK, they'd have to include an explicit content warning which might limit the sales (some retailers won't carry it).  Have they ever included session chatter that contained profanity?

Yes. In the Keep an Eye On Summer digital compilation, I remember during the ĎAll Summer Longí sessions Denny says ďG**dammit I hate this song.Ē after like 40 takes.

Given todayís advancements in audio editing, I would venture to bet it wouldnít be very hard to scramble Mikeís swearing enough without messing up any music playing behind it. Even faking a tape malfunction to garble that section of the track could be done - purists would whine for a day but it would allow parents to play it in front of their kids.

Iím with HeyJude though, weíve gotten videos like this before - in fact even recorded in the same style where there is perfect audio while someone records their computer screen. I have zero hope this is for a release, just another tease regarding some amazing material that should see the light of day. Too bad weíll have to wait the better part of a decade to get this copyright extension release for the Love You tracks. I hate that many fans may not even hear this brilliant material ever because Capitol wanted to squeeze out every penny they could for 50 years after release. Too bad some of the longest living fans are hurt by this decision.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: May 10, 2018, 04:56:58 PM
After a hiatus from posting here I wanted to quickly comment on this new track.

Consider me someone who really likes what Iím hearing with ĎFun Fun Funí - and I was one of the haters when this project was first announced. I couldnít believe they were recording new percussion for these tracks - any percussion on the original tracks is already perfect. And with that said, all the original tracks are perfect anyways so why even bother?

But the orchestra adds an element to these tracks, I canít really define what it adds - it doesnít make the tracks better, it doesnít make them more spiritual, it doesnít add anything that was missing from the originals. But it adds something that interests me and keeps me listening to the track over and over again. Itís probably that I enjoy listening to a new take on these songs.

Anyways, Iím not here to debate the merits of this new release. Its coming out and thatís that - some will hate it, some will love it, some will think its meh...and more power to everyone for their opinions. For me, this sounds like it will be an album Iíll listen to and enjoy.

I hope everyone is doing well here!
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: February 26, 2018, 02:10:08 PM
2HeyJude: What I mean is, it's difficult to listen to music & lyrics simultaneously. If smb. tells me to hear lyrics, it'll be difficult to hear music aspect - vocals, backing track. Besides, I dislike some lyric subjects - TM, surfing, banal boy meets girl/ vice versa to name few. If I did care about lyrics, about this dislike, I wouldn't like thousand songs with these subjects, would dub them "bad". That said, music to me in any case without doubt is significant in songs.

Though I dislike Wrinkles, a whole hell of a lot, I totally know what you mean. I do the same with pretty much the entirety of the Little Deuce Coupe album...because none of the car jargon makes any sense to me. I instead choose to listen to the harmonies as instruments, and I donít really hear lyrics but melodious sounds.

Take ĎSpirit Of Americaí, its one of my favorite Beach Boys tracks, but I doesnít really dig the lyrics at all. I mean they are very out-there to anyone who does listen to them: a song about a guy on the salt flats driving a rocket car, not many people can relate to those lyrics. But if you solely listen to the sound, its one of their best harmony tracks ever.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 26, 2018, 01:34:06 PM
Do you like the song? Since you brought that quote in the 1st place means you agree with Dennis? I'm curious what you think about today's song.

Never assume, RR Wink I just thought I'd post that tidbit for newer fans who might not be aware of it. I'm not really a fan of this song. I never seek it out and I usually skip it (I don't skip many BBs songs). With that said, it was actually a pleasant surprise upon first listen. I agree with previous posters who cite the background vocals and instrumental as highlights and question the lyrics. I found this message board just prior to exploring the entire discography, so my expectations were incredibly low for certain songs/albums. I literally thought some of it would be unlistenable (e.g. MIU). Or that Smiley Smile would be so sparse, it would be essentially devoid of sound. So, I was pleasantly surprised or even blown away by some of it. In regard to 'Everyone's In Love With You', the harmonies are impeccable and as a result kinda stick out on 15 Big Ones. According to the back cover of 15 Big Ones, Daryl Dragon arranged the vocals. Dennis was probably impressed with those harmonies, like most of us are. Btw, I've been reading bits and pieces of Dreamer: The Making of Dennis Wilson's Pacific Ocean Blue, and in it, Daryl Dragon insists that as a co-writer of Make It Good and Cuddle Up he only contributed about 2% to Dennis' 98%. Just another tidbit.

I'll give 'Everyone's In Love With You' a 2.5

I skipped listening to MIU for years because I heard it was dogawful. But when I finally heard it I actually found it to be a consistently good listen. I think one of my favorite parts of The Beach Boys is their volume of output and their usual attention to detail when it comes to moments like those harmonies in ĎEveryoneís In Love With Youí. Each release usually has something good in it, each song usually has at least one good moment.

I looked up this song on Wikipedia, apparently it is about the Maharishi. Which makes the lyrics even more confusing, as I doubt everyone was in love with that guy. And while I donít really get all the car references in the early songs (and usually ignore the lyrics because of it while still enjoying the song) I can do the same with this. Still a pleasant listen.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Ask the Moderators on: February 26, 2018, 09:51:44 AM
Solid advice indeed.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: February 26, 2018, 06:38:22 AM
Lovely Rita by the Beatles
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 26, 2018, 05:26:40 AM
3/5

The instrumental and background harmonies are really beautiful. Mikeís singing is good but what the hell is he singing about?

Still everyoneís in love with you
Because you gave your love to everyone.


Is this about Jesus, some TM messiah, or a girl who gets around? I think if the lyrics were less confusing this wouldnít be the most hated song on the album.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Ask the Moderators on: February 26, 2018, 05:11:21 AM
Guitarfool mentioned in one of his posts there that he joined to try and work out some peace between the two boards. After last weekís flairup it kind of made sense. Iím sure heíll still be a major part of this forum.

I gotta say, the ensuing posts that happened after GF showed up there ranged from welcoming to downright weird. Have anger of certain events that occurred here? Totally normal and I think everyone on both sides thinks theyíre 100% in the right about how they feel so it makes sense that people were a bit edgy about his arrival. But DrBeachBoy took it to a whole other level of wtf: taunts GF by name calling, admits he lied to bait Guitarfool in a post, then says he enjoys the smell of feces or something, then gets banned for some childish retort to the admin there; not really a gleaming example of the stability of the membership over there LOL

But things seem pretty sound now and Iím sure GFís membership there will prove to be positive for the fan community through the years to come. And all the usual kinks seem to be working themselves out as time goes on, DrBeachboys ban Iím sure wonít be the last from that group...it is kind of telling that no matter what board those guys are on, most of them get scolded or banned repeatedly.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: February 25, 2018, 10:46:31 AM
I always got a major Pet Sounds vibe from You Can Do Better Than Me by Death Cab For Cutie.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Songs Inspired by The Beach Boys on: February 25, 2018, 09:48:56 AM
Hot Rod High by The Knights

Right down to the falsetto it sounds a lot like The Beach Boys, I notice the credits on the 45 go to Gary Usher and Roger Christian. The thing that keeps it sounding directly by The Beach Boys? The chords sound way too generic to be anything done by Brian...or maybe itís the production. Either way it sounds inspired by The Beach Boys but itís far from capturing that magic.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 25, 2018, 09:42:50 AM
3/5

The best part about this song is that Brian sounds like heís having fun with it. Outside of that, there is nothing beautiful or endearing about it, it sounds like a really simple cover of the song.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 2018 Record Store Day - The Beach Boys on: February 24, 2018, 11:23:59 AM
I don't know of anything personally but I would LOVE to see either  an official Adult/Child release, or maybe a collection of outtakes from the late 70s, early 80s (Stevie, Boys & Girls, Sweetie)

The ultimate release for me would be a proper release of the highlights from the Wilson/Paley Sessions.

Yes! Itís the perfect format and release for such an obscure record (that likely every voting member of The Beach Boys wouldnít want out in mass distribution form). I have never really been impressed by the RSD offerings when it comes to The Beach Boys; Bambu was an interesting idea, but I feel like the only thing Iíd be paying for is some album artwork as we already owned the tracks with the anniversary update of POB.

But a fully mastered Adult/Child? That would sell like hotcakes with us hardcore fans.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 24, 2018, 08:18:06 AM
Mike's vocal makes my heart soar. Especially when he sings "you're not alone ya know I'm just a dial away"

5, beautiful song

Agreed. Each aspect of this song (vocally, instrumentally, lyrically) has a really quirky happiness to it.

5/5
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 23, 2018, 11:32:18 AM
Al definitely talked about it in a print interview (Rolling Stone?) during some of the sessions that eventually became NPP--I think maybe as far back as when it was still a Beck collaboration. And then I think he referenced it again in a podcast shortly before NPP came out, when he was saying he wasn't sure what was on the album.

It definitely sounds like he could have sung it. I wish he at least partly had. I think his voice suits it.

Yeah it wouldíve suited him really well. Thanks for the info!

@KDS, yeah, any more guest artists and it would feel much less like a BW album. But as a bonus track or something, wouldíve been great to hear.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Vocal edits, punch-ins + copy/paste vocals in BB songs on: February 23, 2018, 11:25:58 AM
Brianís falsetto on Getcha Back?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 23, 2018, 11:23:36 AM
Life Suite or R&R record? I'd love either one. Smiley

Same, I honestly donít care either way. I think every BW solo record has a bit of charm and each one has at least a few gems/moments that stand out. And thatís all Iíd want whether it be from a life suite, rock n roll album, or even just some piano demos. Or if Brian wants to chillax and not visit the studio again thatís cool too.

Yes, of course. But I'd be a bit unhappy if his last released song were "The Last Song". It's so sad.

Wouldn't his last released song be "Run James Run"?

If that's his final song, while not great, at least it's better than The Last Song. 

Was that Del Rey version ever recorded? I would love to hear how different that version sounds if it exists.

Does anyone know about the genesis of Run James Run? I was under the impression it was more of an Al Jardine song for some reason. RJR has grown on me since I first heard it. I feel like Brianís music would benefit so much from mono mixing instead of stereo though - this song being a great example of that.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 23, 2018, 09:51:34 AM
Life Suite or R&R record? I'd love either one. Smiley

Same, I honestly donít care either way. I think every BW solo record has a bit of charm and each one has at least a few gems/moments that stand out. And thatís all Iíd want whether it be from a life suite, rock n roll album, or even just some piano demos. Or if Brian wants to chillax and not visit the studio again thatís cool too.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: Discuss Every Beach Boys Song Day By Day on: February 22, 2018, 05:39:17 AM
JK I think thatís the first time Iíve seen you not give a song 5 stars Shocked

3/5 for me. Itís nothing special, but itís also not dreadful either. I gotta admit, the production on this song (and the rest of the album) is crystal clear, even with that distorted sounding synth and guitar. Itís a wobbly start to a pretty great album.
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