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126  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: May 19, 2016, 07:32:32 AM
I don't think there are any regular posters I wouldn't miss if they were to leave.
I happen to like most of the members in here, even some with whom I disagree with at times. This is a community, an online one, but it mirrors most regular communities even down to how we like who is in charge of running them.
127  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Lifetime ban on AGD on: May 18, 2016, 06:35:51 AM
I don't know if it's already be said, I couldn't slog thru all 25 pages.

It should be noted that after the mods became aware of AGDs potentially libel pms, had they not put a stop to it, they, the mods, could have perhaps put themselves in in legal jeporidy. Stranger things have happened.
Not likely using PM's. The receiver's are who took offense and ratted him out.
128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Toni Tennille interview (Beach Boys story) on: May 16, 2016, 08:03:12 AM
Great interview! You really had her at ease and interview flowed so nicely. You guys got the Dennis thing wrong. He was the middle child, not the youngest. I was also amazed at how easy she talk d about her and Darryl's relationship. Very interesting. The story with Carl was cool and her being the only Beach Girl on stage. All very well done! Thank you for the very interesting interview.

Thanks so much! And yes, shame on me for not catching that about Dennis. Brain fart!  Embarrassed

In my defense, maybe I was a little mesmerized.  LOL It was all I could do to not ask if Dennis hit on her (I mean, he would have had to, right? It was in his nature).
I also meant to mention that earlier in the day (Sunday) I saw Toni on an episode of the Love Boat from 1981, I believe. Her acting wasn't too bad, either. What a looker! Smiley
129  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Toni Tennille interview (Beach Boys story) on: May 15, 2016, 07:21:31 PM
Great interview! You really had her at ease and the interview flowed so nicely. You guys got the Dennis thing wrong. He was the middle child, not the youngest. I was also amazed at how easy she talked about her and Darryl's relationship. Very interesting. The story with Carl was cool and her being the only Beach Girl on stage. All very well done! Thank you for the very interesting interview.
130  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 15, 2016, 02:40:21 PM
http://www.claremoreprogress.com/news/former-member-of-brian-wilson-s-band-convicted-of-rape/article_2a4a2438-1898-11e6-9b81-abf58b6671f9.html?platform=hootsuite

Back on topic, from the Claremore (OK)  Daily Progress, here is an article written by someone who attended the trial.



Thanks for posting that. The more facts that come to light just further highlight this is a real tragedy all around. I hope Scott is ok there, but I'm sure it's awful. Looking at the roster of inmates that are regularly arrested in Rogers County, it looks like a not-insignificant amount of the arrests there are for meth-related charges. Scott is gonna have some rough company.

http://www.rcsheriff.org/roster.php?grp=80


This is sad. Apparently Scott is an alcoholic and had also taken a Vicodin. Perhaps he was too drunk to know what he was doing. That doesn't excuse his behavior, though. If I hear that a man beat his wife, I'm horrified. If I hear he was drunk when he did it, I'm still horrified. It's too bad Scott wasn't able to get help before this terrible thing happened. Alcohol abuse doesn't negate his guilt, and I say that as the child of an alcoholic.



It's also sad when one imagines that Scott may well have thought, at the time, in his drunken state, that he was not doing anything that was against what the woman had actually wanted.  I'm willing to consider that may possibly have been what was going through his head at the time. If he had mutually drunken encounters in the past with others, where the end result was the partner not feeling in any way like a victim of assault, I could imagine this could possibly have come as a huge shock to him. Not an excuse for poor judgment or inappropriate behavior, but it's more of a tragedy to me if the perpetrator doesn't necessarily realize they are doing something that will affect another in such a negative manner.

I just don't understand it..I mean, I haven't touched hard drugs in almost a decade, haven't taken a drink in almost 3 years, but even when I did, I *never* could have or would have even considered doing anything like Scott did.

Agreed. I don't and can't understand how someone could make the leap that apparently was taken here. It baffles.
Even if the woman had said yes and don't remember, you just don't take advantage of someone in that situation. It sounds like she was just too mind altered through drinking, drugs or both to make a rational decision. Very bad decision by Scott to take advantage of her disadvantage.
131  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 15, 2016, 10:22:13 AM
Jason took sides all the time. Where was the outrage from your quarters there?

Yup, without apology. Of course, it was part and parcel of being a FAN first and a moderator of a message board a very distant second. Last time I checked I also didn't ban or censure members for insulting or disagreeing with me (gotta take whatcha dish out, y'know). Your argument, I dare say, has negligible merit.

Actually it has considerable merit, because GF is the same way (fan first, and also hasn't banned or censured members for insulting or disagreeing), and is catching sh*t for it when he really shouldn't be. Just because someone is a mod doesn't mean they all of a sudden stop being passionate. That was Andy's point!
Well some folks who were banned feel that their banning came as a result of disagreeing and/or arguing with Craig. Folks feel they have to tread lightly with him. They feel if he hasn't done the banning directly, then he influenced the mod(s) who did so. A question for you Billy, do the folks who are banned get a full explanation of why and by who they were banned? If Craig is getting a bad rap, is it due to a lack of communication?


Nobody has been banned for disagreeing with Craig, nor has he EVER  influenced me to do so. I take EXTREME exception to that...I am not a freaking puppet.  If anybody here does think that way, I strongly suggest they get that image out of their head, because it is as wrong as it gets. Whenever someone is banned, there is a spot for the moderator who has performed the ban to leave a comment as to why the member is banned, which is displayed to the member when they attempt to log in or post.
Why on Earth would you take exception to that? You always say that it is never one person making the decision, that you make it as a team. You all must write to each other, compare notes, get each other's take on what went down, evidence, etc.. The folks I have spoke with say they did not receive a full explanation and in at least one case did not receive a response to multiple emails sent giving their side of the situation. So for those that no longer have a voice in here and just for general knowledge about how things work in here, is why I posed the question.
132  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 15, 2016, 06:52:03 AM
Jason took sides all the time. Where was the outrage from your quarters there?

Yup, without apology. Of course, it was part and parcel of being a FAN first and a moderator of a message board a very distant second. Last time I checked I also didn't ban or censure members for insulting or disagreeing with me (gotta take whatcha dish out, y'know). Your argument, I dare say, has negligible merit.

Actually it has considerable merit, because GF is the same way (fan first, and also hasn't banned or censured members for insulting or disagreeing), and is catching sh*t for it when he really shouldn't be. Just because someone is a mod doesn't mean they all of a sudden stop being passionate. That was Andy's point!
Well some folks who were banned feel that their banning came as a result of disagreeing and/or arguing with Craig. Folks feel they have to tread lightly with him. They feel if he hasn't done the banning directly, then he influenced the mod(s) who did so. A question for you Billy, do the folks who are banned get a full explanation of why and by who they were banned? If Craig is getting a bad rap, is it due to a lack of communication?
133  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 14, 2016, 05:27:15 PM
The accusation being levied is that since GF is a mod on the Bloo, then he must be on Brian's payroll. A reverse twist on the "Mike's payrool"  claims levied against AGD.
Come on, just not true. It's more about how the moderator behaves there versus here. It's Brian's board there, so less is tolerated, especially of the negative variety. I think the big issue here is that Craig forces his pro-Brian stance on us, but doesn't carry that over to Mike or the rest of the guys. Mods need to be consistent. The other issue is he takes sides in arguments. For us, we are never really sure when he is being a mod Craig or a regular member Craig. If you take on the mod role, then every time you are in here you are on mod duty, hence mods shouldn't take sides.

Jason took sides all the time. Where was the outrage from your quarters there?
The accusation being levied is that since GF is a mod on the Bloo, then he must be on Brian's payroll. A reverse twist on the "Mike's payrool"  claims levied against AGD.
Come on, just not true. It's more about how the moderator behaves there versus here. It's Brian's board there, so less is tolerated, especially of the negative variety. I think the big issue here is that Craig forces his pro-Brian stance on us, but doesn't carry that over to Mike or the rest of the guys. Mods need to be consistent. The other issue is he takes sides in arguments. For us, we are never really sure when he is being a mod Craig or a regular member Craig. If you take on the mod role, then every time you are in here you are on mod duty, hence mods shouldn't take sides.

Jason took sides all the time. Where was the outrage from your quarters there?
And Jason resigned when he knew people weren't happy with him. Look, we all have our biases. All I am asking for is to be consistent. If you are gonna be strick about Brian, then be strick about the same things with Mike, Al, etc.
134  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 14, 2016, 05:09:36 PM
The accusation being levied is that since GF is a mod on the Bloo, then he must be on Brian's payroll. A reverse twist on the "Mike's payrool"  claims levied against AGD.
Come on, just not true. It's more about how the moderator behaves there versus here. It's Brian's board there, so less is tolerated, especially of the negative variety. I think the big issue here is that Craig forces his pro-Brian stance on us, but doesn't carry that over to Mike or the rest of the guys. Mods need to be consistent. The other issue is he takes sides in arguments. For us, we are never really sure when he is being a mod Craig or a regular member Craig. If you take on the mod role, then every time you are in here you are on mod duty, hence mods shouldn't take sides.
135  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 14, 2016, 02:56:19 PM
I did read it. At the end of the day, what difference does it make? It's not like power is being abused and people are getting banned for disgreeing.
It does make a difference and if you don't see it then you don't understand why there is turmoil in here. I don't care if the place is strick or totally lassez faire, just be consistent about it.
136  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 14, 2016, 02:36:33 PM
I merged the threads and changed the title of it at that time to make it obvious that this was the thread to discuss the issue.
 

However, and this this is just a however....I also read here that Guitarfool is a moderator at Brian's site as well. If so that seems like a conflict of interest. I don't even know if that's fact or fiction, but if true, in light of some other recent drama around here, it seems not quite right. And before I get a lecture from Guitarfool that's not my intent nor to imply conspiracies. It's just that negativity regarding Brian in any form is not tolerated on Brian's site and I hope that is not being factored into this forum for any reason. I have read outright insulting horrible stuff about Al  looking like death and have to endure OSD and his derangement syndrome concerning Mike on a daily basis.

Is this accurate?

http://brianwilson.websitetoolbox.com/profile/3984181
That is why last night, I stated that he might be confused with which board that he was moderating. Brian is always off-limits to any criticism, while all other Beach Boys are fair game, especially Mike.

Bullshit. NOBODY is immune to any criticism. I call it like I see it, always have and always will.  If it was off limits to criticize Brian, don't you think the Bubs/Dudd thread would've been shut down? I mean, there's a difference between being supportive of someone and banning people just because they don't agree with someone. The second has never happened on this board, and won't as long I still draw breath.
Well then Billy, please read what went down last night. Craig has never to my knowledge treated the anti-Mike threads like he does with what he perceives to be anti-Brian threads. You are fair with that stuff, and I wouldn't get on Craig if he treated all the threads with the same vigor that he treats the Brian-centric threads.
137  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Scott Bennett discussion thread on: May 14, 2016, 01:18:09 PM
I merged the threads and changed the title of it at that time to make it obvious that this was the thread to discuss the issue.
 

However, and this this is just a however....I also read here that Guitarfool is a moderator at Brian's site as well. If so that seems like a conflict of interest. I don't even know if that's fact or fiction, but if true, in light of some other recent drama around here, it seems not quite right. And before I get a lecture from Guitarfool that's not my intent nor to imply conspiracies. It's just that negativity regarding Brian in any form is not tolerated on Brian's site and I hope that is not being factored into this forum for any reason. I have read outright insulting horrible stuff about Al  looking like death and have to endure OSD and his derangement syndrome concerning Mike on a daily basis.

Is this accurate?

http://brianwilson.websitetoolbox.com/profile/3984181
That is why last night, I stated that he might be confused with which board that he was moderating. Brian is always off-limits to any criticism, while all other Beach Boys are fair game, especially Mike.
138  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 06:50:43 PM
It's fun to rip apart an album publicly? So this was a parody, a put on instead of what they really feel? I'd like to know.

Rip apart? It is an opinion, stated in a fun and stylish way.  We don't have to agree with them.

You answered your question in your reply imo.

Yep, chock full of fun and style, on par with a pair of steel-toed workboots and safety goggles.

OK. You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree with this and your insinuations about B & D.

Cam, what insinuations have I made about either one of them? Please give me an example and I'll address it. I originally asked "Dudd" a question about his change of mind since 2015, and he still hasn't replied, and the rest is just a rolling commentary and continuing discussion.

What insinuations have there been coming from me?

Are you not making insinuations against their intentions?

I read a comment that tried to tell me the criticism on the first pages of this thread was coming from a place of love, and I replied that not only didn't I feel that love shining through, but I'd challenge anyone to let a person totally removed from any of these topics or issues read through the reviews and ask if they thought it was coming from a place of love. Or words to that effect.

If there are any takers, I'd like to see the results.

As far as making insinuations, point me to a comment where you think I did that Cam, and I'll address it.


I saw your reply buried in there somewhere, Cam.

I'm seeing several pages of two guys ripping an album apart, then Dr Beach Boy tells me to lighten up, it's fun and irreverent, to which one of the reviewers said it's their true feelings about the album. To which I still ask and reply, which is it then? Dr Beach Boy must have misspoke or had an incorrect feel for their intentions - Because any number of readers could point out a few selected lines from the "review" and not see the love shining through, nor see the fun in writing or reading...but if it was irreverence by design, the writers say it is not, it is an accurate expression of how they feel.

So who is insinuating what, exactly, Cam?

I just saw the insinuation in the review that the writers say the sincerity of selected lyrics was faked, so either they know something only the songwriters know about real versus phony sincerity at play as the song was written, or they're insinuating to the point of claiming "fake" sincerity in the lyrics.

Lot of mixed messages to sort through.
Two people can have an irreverent conversation and still be speaking the truth. It is just the fashion in which they are doing it. Also, why are you like this with Brian, yet you let stuff go about Mike? I never see you get in the faces of OSD or Smile Brian? Do you only care when something is said about Brian? Do none of the other Beach Boys matter to you? Is this a carryover from being a mod on Brian's board? If so, do you get confused which board you are moderating? You are so one-sided in here that it makes me think that it may indeed be the case. This thread was doing fine until you arrived in here, now you completely destroyed it. It was actually nice in here while you gone.

I wasn't gone, I just wasn't posting. Kept up with my daily reading of the board every day, some days more than others.

It's interesting that I'm the one who completely destroyed it, yet in this same thread you - for one - rather than talking about the music since we're reminded constantly that it's all about the music, chose instead to post remarks aimed at people who post to Brian's site and the site itself, and put this bizarre challenge of whether or not someone is a real Beach Boys fan to not just me, but more ridiculously aimed directly at another poster who has spent more real-life time in the presence of the actual, real-life Beach Boys both living and those sadly deceased than others would most likely ever dream of spending in three lifetimes. You ask "are you really a Beach Boys fan?" as a direct challenge to someone who worked in the Beach Boys offices and was at one time responsible for the fan mail that would come in for the Beach Boys...and I'm the one who is confused?  LOL

Someone who actually was there with the band...getting challenged by you on a message board as to whether or not they're a fan of said band...is beyond absurd.

Have fun wallowing in your delusion and trying to keep those fires stoked and burning, while fishing for those reactions. If you keep trying to pin stuff on me or anyone else you don't like, someday you might get lucky and one of your theories and claims might float closer to the truth, but it's fun watching you throw pitch after pitch over the catcher's head and go crashing into the backstop. Ball four.


You are delusional. I have been a fan and followed this band since 1964, so don't go spouting your crap at me. Address what I asked you. Why do you defend only Brian and not Mike or the rest of the guys when threads get out of hand. You are quick to whitewash your moderating duties. I request that you resign your commission and give it to somebody who is more fair-handed than yourself. You are no moderator, you create more chaos than you do fence mending.
139  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 05:01:42 PM
This thread began as one of the better threads in recent memory, with two posters sharing some opinions with humor and insight. Nowhere to be found were whines about who was or wasn't banned, which faction reigned supreme, whether people not posting under their own names were cowards, whether the Sandbox was some Gehenna ... just a good little thread.

I think sweetdudejim was out of line with his post. Debbie, too. And then it all really went to sh*t. What the f*** are your problems? It was a funny little review of an album, not some kind of unjust prison sentence.

For a while it seemed like there could be solace in the general music and sandbox forums, but maybe not. Maybe you're all just doomed to swim in your own vomit and sh*t. Have fun.
Exactly! And no one even called it a "Steaming pile....", either. Wink
140  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 04:49:33 PM
It's fun to rip apart an album publicly? So this was a parody, a put on instead of what they really feel? I'd like to know.

Rip apart? It is an opinion, stated in a fun and stylish way.  We don't have to agree with them.

You answered your question in your reply imo.

Yep, chock full of fun and style, on par with a pair of steel-toed workboots and safety goggles.

OK. You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree with this and your insinuations about B & D.

Cam, what insinuations have I made about either one of them? Please give me an example and I'll address it. I originally asked "Dudd" a question about his change of mind since 2015, and he still hasn't replied, and the rest is just a rolling commentary and continuing discussion.

What insinuations have there been coming from me?

Are you not making insinuations against their intentions?

I read a comment that tried to tell me the criticism on the first pages of this thread was coming from a place of love, and I replied that not only didn't I feel that love shining through, but I'd challenge anyone to let a person totally removed from any of these topics or issues read through the reviews and ask if they thought it was coming from a place of love. Or words to that effect.

If there are any takers, I'd like to see the results.

As far as making insinuations, point me to a comment where you think I did that Cam, and I'll address it.


I saw your reply buried in there somewhere, Cam.

I'm seeing several pages of two guys ripping an album apart, then Dr Beach Boy tells me to lighten up, it's fun and irreverent, to which one of the reviewers said it's their true feelings about the album. To which I still ask and reply, which is it then? Dr Beach Boy must have misspoke or had an incorrect feel for their intentions - Because any number of readers could point out a few selected lines from the "review" and not see the love shining through, nor see the fun in writing or reading...but if it was irreverence by design, the writers say it is not, it is an accurate expression of how they feel.

So who is insinuating what, exactly, Cam?

I just saw the insinuation in the review that the writers say the sincerity of selected lyrics was faked, so either they know something only the songwriters know about real versus phony sincerity at play as the song was written, or they're insinuating to the point of claiming "fake" sincerity in the lyrics.

Lot of mixed messages to sort through.
Two people can have an irreverent conversation and still be speaking the truth. It is just the fashion in which they are doing it. Also, why are you like this with Brian, yet you let stuff go about Mike? I never see you get in the faces of OSD or Smile Brian? Do you only care when something is said about Brian? Do none of the other Beach Boys matter to you? Is this a carryover from being a mod on Brian's board? If so, do you get confused which board you are moderating? You are so one-sided in here that it makes me think that it may indeed be the case. This thread was doing fine until you arrived in here, now you completely destroyed it. It was actually nice in here while you gone.
141  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 01:41:07 PM
Exactly right. And that's why my multiple years of listening to Brian Wilson's music makes me a knowledgeable and experienced reviewer.

I was answering Cam's post and also getting back to what John Manning shared about his own professional experience writing and publishing product reviews, but to answer this: By your own admission you've played two out of the dozen or so solo albums that Brian has released since 1988, and even those only a few times. If your frame of reference and base of working knowledge on Brian's solo discography is formed by what you heard from Brian on 40 or 50 year old Beach Boys albums that Brian made versus what he has done in his solo career, how is that presenting experience as influencing what you're setting out to review? If listeners are buying a solo Brian record with the expectation they'll be hearing "Summer Days..." or "Today" or any others versus what Brian has done as a solo artist, they're coming from an almost unrealistic point of expectation. There are plenty of copycat bands and artists if people want to hear the 1965 "Brian sound" in 2016, but Brian is 50 years older and his solo material is simply not along those lines, rather it's what he chooses to write and how he chooses his music to sound in the present day. It would be the same if someone who has only played two previous McCartney albums a few times reviews a newer solo McCartney album using his Beatles catalog as a reference point and expects to hear another "Hey Jude" or "We Can Work It Out", or someone buying then reviewing a newer Clapton solo release expects him to play and sound like he did on Fresh Cream, having only listened to 461 Ocean Boulevard or Layla from his solo catalog.


I wonder.. would you have gone through all this trouble if my review was positive? I mean, I know the answer, but still.

Same question. Cos I did try to distinguish between a pro review that claims authority, and all that jazz, and a message board review that's informative, honest and entertaining in the ethereal sense of message board posts and written purely from the standpoint of love for the artist. And we have to bear in mind that any album from any artist should stand up to being reviewed in isolation, on it's own merits, in the context of anyone's musical taste and experience. An LP/album isn't like a "Gore-Tex" jacket that has to shape up against others, it's a standalone work of art after all.

The conversations on the first few pages of this particular thread show a "love for the artist"? Show those pages to people totally unaware of anything related to this and ask if they can feel the love being shown through all the expletives and negativity.

Seriously John? If this was a sign of love, I'd hate to see the results if such a "review" were done for an artist that was hated. And if this is informative, I must have missed those sections because I didn't see info being offered that was anything new or useful to further analyze or interpret this album as the discussion unfolded.
Damn Craig, the whole thing was done for fun. Lighten the f-up. I wish you'd act like this when all devolving threads concerning Mike, pop up. They weren't ripping Brian personally, it was just an irreverent review of the music. Like we are told in other threads; Don't like it? Don't read it.
142  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RARE 1969 Paris Concert footage + mixer's comments on: May 13, 2016, 01:32:45 PM
My first time seeing them live was about a month and a half after this show. I was very impressed with the whole show, but really took notice to both Carl and Bruce. They both really shined bright for this show.
143  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 01:27:23 PM
Even  when there seem to be obvious examples of  Brian's trademark  production  style on NPP,  such as a great moving pick bass line with tons of echo on it, the reviewer ( or again supposedly the reviewers) infer that it was probably one of the aforementioned interlopers trying to rip off one of Brian's old techniques. Techniques from the good old days before Brian was dragged to the studio and tied down while various handlers auto tune his vocals and force him to work with cruel and nefarious pretend singers like Zooey  Deschanel. Singers who Brian could not possibly have ever heard of before let alone actually like.  Zooey   has  done some pretty amazing cover versions  of Brian's songs. But  according to the this theory, Brian couldn't possibly have been flattered by that, or think she has a cute voice. Or watched her very popular show on TV, or seen any of her movies with his kids. Her collaboration  and the others had to be a bad idea conjured up by some label suit.

A "reviewer" from PopMatters actually tore this album to shreds and claimed that Brian had never heard of Zooey Deschanel prior to this album...which is proven untrue by doing a quick Google search (Brian had been interviewed by her years before NPP). That "reviewer" used a plethora of other bogus information in that "review"...I really hate seeing that crap, because unknowing fans will actually believe that nonsense and then spout it later. Which is partially why I think many people (including myself) are so defensive about this album...too many assumptions based on bad information have been made.

That being said, I'm sure Brian was given a list of possible collaborators to choose from for NPP....and given the quality of the songs we got it's clear he was thrilled to work with them. If this idea about interlopers making Brian's records had any sort of validity I think we would've seen a paint-by-Brian/Jeff Beck collab album released. But it seems that Brian wasn't thrilled with the collab and thus no album was made.

Anyone who takes the time to research this album will find that yes, Brian Wilson's name is on the album for a reason. Interviews with the collaborators show that Brian was meticulous about the vocals (Musgraves talked about how she had to do so many takes of the vocal before Brian was satisfied, she talked about the conversation(s?) they had regarding the lyrics, Nate Ruess talked about Brian coming up with the "wah wah wah" vocal on the spot in the studio when they were at the mic). There are plenty of other anecdotes floating around regarding the tracks.

Lazy reviewers and commentators often don't let a silly thing like the facts get in the way of their "opinions".

In the case of Zooey Deschanel, not only is there that interview Brian did with Zooey, but her dad Caleb was the cameraman for Brian in 1966 when they filmed the Good Vibrations promo clip, and Zooey also babysat Brian's kids.

So that's just one glaring example of a reviewer talking sh*t about things he or she has no clue about, and which ultimately has nothing to do with the task of reviewing a new album or song.
Though, didn't Brian claim not to know her before that first interview? If I recall correctly, Brian did not seem to know who she was when she started the interview. He did warm to her and it was a nice interview.
144  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 07:22:30 AM
The fact that the album still evokes a lot of talk wether it's critizism or praise, tells to me that people are interested in it. Any artist would like to release a piece that splits peoples opinions in half. That's a very good sign. I know, it's just a year old album, but I bet it's going to evoke even more conversations in the near future.  
Well, we are all Beach Boys fans, so anything released is going to peak my interest. I have everything officially released by the band and as solo artists. I have it in duplicate, triplicate, etc. I could never be accused of not supporting the band. I've spent many Dineros buying and re-buying the music. I want every album released to be another Pet Sounds or Sunflower, but in the last 50 years that has not happened for me. Maybe for you, but not for me. I liked most of NPP when I first heard it, but in the last 6 months I have barely listened to it. Now ask me how many times I played Pet Sounds, Love You, Wild Honey, Sunflower or Today? Hell, I play them almost weekly. Of Brian's solo albums the only one that gets played on a regular basis by me is the Gershwin album. I love his renditions of the Porgy & Bess material. It fits his voice, he sings with passion and it moves me because he does so. You know though, at this point, I am happy that he is still writing and performing and that even though I don't like everything, I do like some things. I am grateful that he still wants to give us music and I will always support him for that whether I like everything or not.
145  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 13, 2016, 06:49:55 AM
I'm left a little speechless by this batshit crazy characterization of myself and Judd simply because we don't like NPP.

Gee "Bubs," I seem to have a distinct memory of your liking your copy of NPP when you first got it.  What happened?  What influence made it so "uncool?"  It's interesting to note who your fans are here.
I was wondering what took you so long to post in here. I know, we must tow the line with Brian. We must tow the line with Brian... Are you just a Brian Wilson groupie? Do actually like any of the other Beach Boys? Are you even a fan of the band? Any time I see you it is only about Brian. Remember, this is a BEACH BOYS board. Brian has his own site for his over glorification fans.


Whose line are you towing by generalizing Brian Wilson's fans who post to his own site as "over glorification fans", not to mention the other shots you (and Real BB) took at Brian's site/board in the past few days? So much for "we're all Beach Boys fans, we love all the band members, it's all about the music" if taking shots at a website community you don't seem to like at all (not to mention indirectly slamming the fans who do post there with these comments) takes precedence over...talking about the music.
Just because Brian writes music doesn't mean that it is all good, either from a song writing standpoint or from a production stand point. We know where you stand with NPP and that is terrific. Shoot, I wish I could praise the hell out of every album he has released. I always want to, but as whole albums, none of them move me enough to do so. It is something I would like to have discussion about, not someone tell me I am wrong, because this is Brian Wilson and everything he writes or produces is golden, and that I am wrong for expressing that displeasure.

Brian's board is mainly for Brian, and if one is inclined to only want to read Brian-centric posts, then they should go there if the talk here is not to their liking. I didn't agree with Bubs & Judd's assessment of every song, but it was entertaining to read their banter either pro or con about each song. It was actually nice for change to have chuckle while reading posts in here. The dramatics that go on in here sometimes become overwhelming at times and unpleasurable. We should all be here to have fun and share our feelings and insights about the band.
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love’s 2016 solo project on: May 12, 2016, 05:34:58 PM
I wasn't defending Mike or anything else, except my reading comprehension. Wink
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 12, 2016, 05:30:20 PM
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I was wondering what took you so long to post in here. I know, we must tow the line with Brian. We must tow the line with Brian... Are you just a Brian Wilson groupie? Do actually like any of the other Beach Boys? Are you even a fan of the band? Any time I see you it is only about Brian. Remember, this is a BEACH BOYS board. Brian has his own site for his over glorification fans.


The same can be said about a certain poster (NOT referring to you, mind you) who posts nothing but derogatory things about Brian and is pro-Mike.

I happen to be pro-Brian too, for the record.
For the record, I'm pro-Beach Boys. I read in here that some folks don't like Carl's solo stuff, a few don't like or get Dennis' POB album. We all have our likes and dislikes. I like some songs from all of Brian's solo albums, but excepting BWPS, I don't like any of his solo albums as an overall work.
148  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bubs & Judd Review No Pier Pressure on: May 12, 2016, 05:15:37 PM
I'm left a little speechless by this batshit crazy characterization of myself and Judd simply because we don't like NPP.

Gee "Bubs," I seem to have a distinct memory of your liking your copy of NPP when you first got it.  What happened?  What influence made it so "uncool?"  It's interesting to note who your fans are here.
I was wondering what took you so long to post in here. I know, we must tow the line with Brian. We must tow the line with Brian... Are you just a Brian Wilson groupie? Do actually like any of the other Beach Boys? Are you even a fan of the band? Any time I see you it is only about Brian. Remember, this is a BEACH BOYS board. Brian has his own site for his over glorification fans.
149  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love’s 2016 solo project on: May 12, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Man, you guys will argue about anything. I read the article and knew right away that Mike was speaking of his solo release. I know he was asked Beach Boys, but I thought he was clear that it was his own solo material.
150  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love’s 2016 solo project on: May 12, 2016, 12:46:35 PM
Mike is a Beach Boy speaking about his solo projects.  If the same question was asked of any of the other Boys, they would also be a Beach Boy talking about their solo projects.

Mike was definitely speaking about his solo projects. He wasn't, however, asked about his solo projects. Again, he's just answering a different question (one he's more comfortable answering) than what is being asked.

The result, as a byproduct, is that some people may be confused about the nature of what he's recording (he doesn't mention other Beach Boys by name, but answers "yes" when asked about *The Beach Boys* recording, sort of implying he's solely going in to record "Beach Boys" material, but then starts referring to an undefined "we" later in the answers).

Again, this is nothing major whatsoever. He's simply obviously sidestepping a question about *The Beach Boys* by talking about his solo stuff instead. I just find that amusing, and acknowledge that some casual fans/readers might be confused about on the group versus solo issue.

The sidestepping issue isn't new. There's an audio/radio interview Mike did a year or two ago where he was *specifically* asked about the C50 tour/lineup and he almost immediately, without prompting, started talking about his current touring band. The corporate/naming/licensing issue creates these awkward issues, and through a mixture of most interviewers ignoring the issue and Mike avoiding talking about it (how many times has Mike, in specific language, mentioned in interviews that he pays for a license to use the Beach Boys name?), the awkwardness only comes up on occasion, and sometimes only the hardcore fans even notice or care.

It's like being in high school or college:

Professor: Talk about the symbolism in "The Scarlet Letter."

Student: I think there's definitely some noteworthy symbolism in the story. You know what else is symbolic? My awesome new tattoo with flames and skulls! I got it yesterday, and it's pretty rad........
Yeah, but what if he had an A tatooed on his chest?
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