I don't know if I should feel flattered by the attention, but the most active recent discussion on that board was back in November/December when Andrew (two Andrews, apparently) and several other former members of this forum who were banned decided to unload and turn it into a place to bash and criticize me for what they thought I did or didn't do here. That in itself was enough, but I also noticed the moderator apparently felt that was on topic enough to remain active, despite being everything but "It's all about the music", and even got in a few digs of their own. If that's the kind of board which encourages that kind of thing, then has members posting about comments made here about *there*, it becomes playground level kids' stuff. "I'm taking my ball and going home!" level dialogue. Nothing about the music. Just taking personal shots.

Then it became known that threads such as that on BBB were part of a deliberate effort to trash me and what I was supposed to have done or not done as a moderator of this board. Inspire others to join their calls for me to either step down or be 'fired', perhaps? In some cases it almost worked. Again this effort was involving members here who set out to discredit and bash me among others here, not only in light of the facts but again having nothing to do with coming to this forum or any other music community to talk about music, which is a regular charge for members to do more of. Yet that bashing fest stands as one of the most if not the most active thread on that community in months, if not all year. Do I get an end-of-the-year award for that distinction?  

It is unfortunate for the fans who actually do go there and here and anywhere else to post about the music, about shows, about anything related to the purpose of these forums. Because there are legitimately good, even great fans who like to hang out and talk.

It is a shame the real and honest-to-goodness fans have to unknowingly get pushed aside by the multiple layers that exist on these forums beyond fans coming here to read and talk to each other. It's not their fault there are others who are using these forums to purposely do things like the "Bash Guitarfool" type discussions at the end of last year and travel deep down into layers beyond what most people might think exist underneath all of this on the surface.

Please guitarfool, get off the freakin' cross already. I would probably say as far as The Beach Boys goes, I probably agree with you at least 75 percent of the time, but your propensity to take everything as an insult and the way you take every comment that may offer constructive criticism as something resembling a Judas or Brutus is just becoming a bit much.

Constructive criticism is fine. For months I read and answered messages sent to me that were constructive and critical, but when those messages from some people started to turn into rants full of profanity and the sense that any reply i offered, including the suggestion to simply ignore certain things before a script to allow that digitally was set up, was being ignored. If i didn't give the answer these people must have been seeking, nothing else was accepted and I became the asshole for not doing what others wanted.

No cross, man. How would you feel upon finding out there were board members who not only organized such a thing against you, but didn't have the guts to say it personally so they took it onto another forum and social media to trash YOUR name? Then to find out it was going on at a forum you don't even visit regularly, visit that forum, and find your name and actions you didn't even do being bashed by any number of people, led by exactly the people who you'd find out later had a hand in setting this up deliberately?

Then...to have it filter on to this board, where misunderstandings of how things are done, how moderators do not work alone or act alone, to have all moderators and the board administrator back that up, and still have people going around with their various plans and plots to discredit YOU to the point where you're either forced to step down or would quit because the heat got too hot to take?

The best thing about the truth, Jim, is it's easy to spot the lies when you know it. If you were moderating this board, and not only saw board members trashing you and making stuff up when the reality is all mods are equally involved in bans and other decisions, but also found out it was being deliberately planned and organized by several board members who launched it as almost a campaign against you...I guess that would be OK to have people lying, bashing you on multiple forums, enlisting others to do the same thing, and then having people say "get off the cross"?

Right. If being a moderator involves that, i don't know how many good posters here would want any parts of it. Unless having people launch personal attack campaigns against you is part of the agreement when signing up.

If people are out to get you, why do you think that is? Did it just pop out of the mid-air or are you responsible for how you come off in here? Amazing too, that the banned members are also folks that had difference of opinions with you. Quite a few of the bannings come off looking like personal vendettas and some of those banned members believe that it is. That is the toughest part of moderating anything; being fair, but also getting involved and taking sides in the same discussions that you are moderating. That in itself is a tough balancing act, no doubt. Maybe we all need a do-over?

I know exactly why it is done and why it was done, Doctor. I also know the desired results. Unfortunately I don't think some of the people who not only bought into the campaigns and believed the lies, but also participated in them know what it's all about beneath the surface. That's the troubling part. There were a lot of people duped, I'm afraid. When all moderators and the board admin have - multiple times publicly - said exactly how things are and were done, yet the claims of something other than that truth are still being made and believed in order to discredit someone, that's not good. Propaganda tends to work that way, it's about promoting the lies as the truth, making people believe them, enlisting others to believe and join in the campaign, and get the results that are desired. The perspective is vastly different when you're the one targeted by propaganda.

Propaganda works both ways. I've seen lies promoted as truth, but I have seen truth promoted as a lie. Kind of depends on which side of the line you fall on. Most likely it all comes down to whether one feels like they have been treated fairly or not. For this board, I can only judge by what I read and by what actions that are taken. Either that or you are the unluckiest person when it comes to timing. You have to admit, a lot has gone down in a fairly short amount of time.

Consider that the reasons behind "a lot going down" that you might believe are not the actual, deeper reasons why things were and are being done. A lot of people have axes to grind against any number of individuals, but they don't start and engage in propaganda or smear campaigns across several message boards and social media outlets to badmouth and influence the removal of one moderator on a message board. Did you consider there might be more to the whole thing, Doctor, than disagreeing with or not liking someone on a message board which would explain how much effort has gone into these things so far?

Seriously, you need to look in the mirror to answer that question. Only you and the people posting know exactly why this is happening.

I know exactly why. It's a shame if anyone who believed those behind the campaign might not have been told the real story or the real reasons before signing on.

Oh, the high Intrigues that go one here at Smiley Smile.

Please do fill us in. Man, this is better than the National Enquirer.

I don't know if I should feel flattered by the attention, but the most active recent discussion on that board was back in November/December when Andrew (two Andrews, apparently) and several other former members of this forum who were banned decided to unload and turn it into a place to bash and criticize me for what they thought I did or didn't do here. That in itself was enough, but I also noticed the moderator apparently felt that was on topic enough to remain active, despite being everything but "It's all about the music", and even got in a few digs of their own. If that's the kind of board which encourages that kind of thing, then has members posting about comments made here about *there*, it becomes playground level kids' stuff. "I'm taking my ball and going home!" level dialogue. Nothing about the music. Just taking personal shots.

Then it became known that threads such as that on BBB were part of a deliberate effort to trash me and what I was supposed to have done or not done as a moderator of this board. Inspire others to join their calls for me to either step down or be 'fired', perhaps? In some cases it almost worked. Again this effort was involving members here who set out to discredit and bash me among others here, not only in light of the facts but again having nothing to do with coming to this forum or any other music community to talk about music, which is a regular charge for members to do more of. Yet that bashing fest stands as one of the most if not the most active thread on that community in months, if not all year. Do I get an end-of-the-year award for that distinction? 

It is unfortunate for the fans who actually do go there and here and anywhere else to post about the music, about shows, about anything related to the purpose of these forums. Because there are legitimately good, even great fans who like to hang out and talk.

It is a shame the real and honest-to-goodness fans have to unknowingly get pushed aside by the multiple layers that exist on these forums beyond fans coming here to read and talk to each other. It's not their fault there are others who are using these forums to purposely do things like the "Bash Guitarfool" type discussions at the end of last year and travel deep down into layers beyond what most people might think exist underneath all of this on the surface.

Please guitarfool, get off the freakin' cross already. I would probably say as far as The Beach Boys goes, I probably agree with you at least 75 percent of the time, but your propensity to take everything as an insult and the way you take every comment that may offer constructive criticism as something resembling a Judas or Brutus is just becoming a bit much.

Constructive criticism is fine. For months I read and answered messages sent to me that were constructive and critical, but when those messages from some people started to turn into rants full of profanity and the sense that any reply i offered, including the suggestion to simply ignore certain things before a script to allow that digitally was set up, was being ignored. If i didn't give the answer these people must have been seeking, nothing else was accepted and I became the asshole for not doing what others wanted.

No cross, man. How would you feel upon finding out there were board members who not only organized such a thing against you, but didn't have the guts to say it personally so they took it onto another forum and social media to trash YOUR name? Then to find out it was going on at a forum you don't even visit regularly, visit that forum, and find your name and actions you didn't even do being bashed by any number of people, led by exactly the people who you'd find out later had a hand in setting this up deliberately?

Then...to have it filter on to this board, where misunderstandings of how things are done, how moderators do not work alone or act alone, to have all moderators and the board administrator back that up, and still have people going around with their various plans and plots to discredit YOU to the point where you're either forced to step down or would quit because the heat got too hot to take?

The best thing about the truth, Jim, is it's easy to spot the lies when you know it. If you were moderating this board, and not only saw board members trashing you and making stuff up when the reality is all mods are equally involved in bans and other decisions, but also found out it was being deliberately planned and organized by several board members who launched it as almost a campaign against you...I guess that would be OK to have people lying, bashing you on multiple forums, enlisting others to do the same thing, and then having people say "get off the cross"?

Right. If being a moderator involves that, i don't know how many good posters here would want any parts of it. Unless having people launch personal attack campaigns against you is part of the agreement when signing up.

If people are out to get you, why do you think that is? Did it just pop out of the mid-air or are you responsible for how you come off in here? Amazing too, that the banned members are also folks that had difference of opinions with you. Quite a few of the bannings come off looking like personal vendettas and some of those banned members believe that it is. That is the toughest part of moderating anything; being fair, but also getting involved and taking sides in the same discussions that you are moderating. That in itself is a tough balancing act, no doubt. Maybe we all need a do-over?

I know exactly why it is done and why it was done, Doctor. I also know the desired results. Unfortunately I don't think some of the people who not only bought into the campaigns and believed the lies, but also participated in them know what it's all about beneath the surface. That's the troubling part. There were a lot of people duped, I'm afraid. When all moderators and the board admin have - multiple times publicly - said exactly how things are and were done, yet the claims of something other than that truth are still being made and believed in order to discredit someone, that's not good. Propaganda tends to work that way, it's about promoting the lies as the truth, making people believe them, enlisting others to believe and join in the campaign, and get the results that are desired. The perspective is vastly different when you're the one targeted by propaganda.

Propaganda works both ways. I've seen lies promoted as truth, but I have seen truth promoted as a lie. Kind of depends on which side of the line you fall on. Most likely it all comes down to whether one feels like they have been treated fairly or not. For this board, I can only judge by what I read and by what actions that are taken. Either that or you are the unluckiest person when it comes to timing. You have to admit, a lot has gone down in a fairly short amount of time.

Consider that the reasons behind "a lot going down" that you might believe are not the actual, deeper reasons why things were and are being done. A lot of people have axes to grind against any number of individuals, but they don't start and engage in propaganda or smear campaigns across several message boards and social media outlets to badmouth and influence the removal of one moderator on a message board. Did you consider there might be more to the whole thing, Doctor, than disagreeing with or not liking someone on a message board which would explain how much effort has gone into these things so far?

Seriously, you need to look in the mirror to answer that question. Only you and the people posting know exactly why this is happening.

Wow, this is getting pretty off-topic.

Perhaps a mod could come in and redirect the conversation back to this year's great tour?

A Mod redirected it in the first place.

Wrong. A mod responded to other posts that came before.

How is what is written about Brian, then turned to you being persecuted on another board? I can understand how it could happen.

I'm not sure if this qualifies. 

But one of my favorite Catholic beliefs (that I think has been mostly dismissed because I never heard it when I was Catholic) was that Satan put the dinosaur fossils into the ground to have people believe that the Bible was not true. 

New one for me.

Just watched this - particularly like the way AGD introduces himself and tells the host of his passion for our heroes...

Good man that he is...

Wow, this is getting pretty off-topic.

Perhaps a mod could come in and redirect the conversation back to this year's great tour?

A Mod redirected it in the first place.

I don't know if I should feel flattered by the attention, but the most active recent discussion on that board was back in November/December when Andrew (two Andrews, apparently) and several other former members of this forum who were banned decided to unload and turn it into a place to bash and criticize me for what they thought I did or didn't do here. That in itself was enough, but I also noticed the moderator apparently felt that was on topic enough to remain active, despite being everything but "It's all about the music", and even got in a few digs of their own. If that's the kind of board which encourages that kind of thing, then has members posting about comments made here about *there*, it becomes playground level kids' stuff. "I'm taking my ball and going home!" level dialogue. Nothing about the music. Just taking personal shots.

Then it became known that threads such as that on BBB were part of a deliberate effort to trash me and what I was supposed to have done or not done as a moderator of this board. Inspire others to join their calls for me to either step down or be 'fired', perhaps? In some cases it almost worked. Again this effort was involving members here who set out to discredit and bash me among others here, not only in light of the facts but again having nothing to do with coming to this forum or any other music community to talk about music, which is a regular charge for members to do more of. Yet that bashing fest stands as one of the most if not the most active thread on that community in months, if not all year. Do I get an end-of-the-year award for that distinction?  

It is unfortunate for the fans who actually do go there and here and anywhere else to post about the music, about shows, about anything related to the purpose of these forums. Because there are legitimately good, even great fans who like to hang out and talk.

It is a shame the real and honest-to-goodness fans have to unknowingly get pushed aside by the multiple layers that exist on these forums beyond fans coming here to read and talk to each other. It's not their fault there are others who are using these forums to purposely do things like the "Bash Guitarfool" type discussions at the end of last year and travel deep down into layers beyond what most people might think exist underneath all of this on the surface.

Please guitarfool, get off the freakin' cross already. I would probably say as far as The Beach Boys goes, I probably agree with you at least 75 percent of the time, but your propensity to take everything as an insult and the way you take every comment that may offer constructive criticism as something resembling a Judas or Brutus is just becoming a bit much.

Constructive criticism is fine. For months I read and answered messages sent to me that were constructive and critical, but when those messages from some people started to turn into rants full of profanity and the sense that any reply i offered, including the suggestion to simply ignore certain things before a script to allow that digitally was set up, was being ignored. If i didn't give the answer these people must have been seeking, nothing else was accepted and I became the asshole for not doing what others wanted.

No cross, man. How would you feel upon finding out there were board members who not only organized such a thing against you, but didn't have the guts to say it personally so they took it onto another forum and social media to trash YOUR name? Then to find out it was going on at a forum you don't even visit regularly, visit that forum, and find your name and actions you didn't even do being bashed by any number of people, led by exactly the people who you'd find out later had a hand in setting this up deliberately?

Then...to have it filter on to this board, where misunderstandings of how things are done, how moderators do not work alone or act alone, to have all moderators and the board administrator back that up, and still have people going around with their various plans and plots to discredit YOU to the point where you're either forced to step down or would quit because the heat got too hot to take?

The best thing about the truth, Jim, is it's easy to spot the lies when you know it. If you were moderating this board, and not only saw board members trashing you and making stuff up when the reality is all mods are equally involved in bans and other decisions, but also found out it was being deliberately planned and organized by several board members who launched it as almost a campaign against you...I guess that would be OK to have people lying, bashing you on multiple forums, enlisting others to do the same thing, and then having people say "get off the cross"?

Right. If being a moderator involves that, i don't know how many good posters here would want any parts of it. Unless having people launch personal attack campaigns against you is part of the agreement when signing up.

If people are out to get you, why do you think that is? Did it just pop out of the mid-air or are you responsible for how you come off in here? Amazing too, that the banned members are also folks that had difference of opinions with you. Quite a few of the bannings come off looking like personal vendettas and some of those banned members believe that it is. That is the toughest part of moderating anything; being fair, but also getting involved and taking sides in the same discussions that you are moderating. That in itself is a tough balancing act, no doubt. Maybe we all need a do-over?

I know exactly why it is done and why it was done, Doctor. I also know the desired results. Unfortunately I don't think some of the people who not only bought into the campaigns and believed the lies, but also participated in them know what it's all about beneath the surface. That's the troubling part. There were a lot of people duped, I'm afraid. When all moderators and the board admin have - multiple times publicly - said exactly how things are and were done, yet the claims of something other than that truth are still being made and believed in order to discredit someone, that's not good. Propaganda tends to work that way, it's about promoting the lies as the truth, making people believe them, enlisting others to believe and join in the campaign, and get the results that are desired. The perspective is vastly different when you're the one targeted by propaganda.

Propaganda works both ways. I've seen lies promoted as truth, but I have seen truth promoted as a lie. Kind of depends on which side of the line you fall on. Most likely it all comes down to whether one feels like they have been treated fairly or not. For this board, I can only judge by what I read and by what actions that are taken. Either that or you are the unluckiest person when it comes to timing. You have to admit, a lot has gone down in a fairly short amount of time.

I don't know if I should feel flattered by the attention, but the most active recent discussion on that board was back in November/December when Andrew (two Andrews, apparently) and several other former members of this forum who were banned decided to unload and turn it into a place to bash and criticize me for what they thought I did or didn't do here. That in itself was enough, but I also noticed the moderator apparently felt that was on topic enough to remain active, despite being everything but "It's all about the music", and even got in a few digs of their own. If that's the kind of board which encourages that kind of thing, then has members posting about comments made here about *there*, it becomes playground level kids' stuff. "I'm taking my ball and going home!" level dialogue. Nothing about the music. Just taking personal shots.

Then it became known that threads such as that on BBB were part of a deliberate effort to trash me and what I was supposed to have done or not done as a moderator of this board. Inspire others to join their calls for me to either step down or be 'fired', perhaps? In some cases it almost worked. Again this effort was involving members here who set out to discredit and bash me among others here, not only in light of the facts but again having nothing to do with coming to this forum or any other music community to talk about music, which is a regular charge for members to do more of. Yet that bashing fest stands as one of the most if not the most active thread on that community in months, if not all year. Do I get an end-of-the-year award for that distinction? 

It is unfortunate for the fans who actually do go there and here and anywhere else to post about the music, about shows, about anything related to the purpose of these forums. Because there are legitimately good, even great fans who like to hang out and talk.

It is a shame the real and honest-to-goodness fans have to unknowingly get pushed aside by the multiple layers that exist on these forums beyond fans coming here to read and talk to each other. It's not their fault there are others who are using these forums to purposely do things like the "Bash Guitarfool" type discussions at the end of last year and travel deep down into layers beyond what most people might think exist underneath all of this on the surface.

Please guitarfool, get off the freakin' cross already. I would probably say as far as The Beach Boys goes, I probably agree with you at least 75 percent of the time, but your propensity to take everything as an insult and the way you take every comment that may offer constructive criticism as something resembling a Judas or Brutus is just becoming a bit much.

Constructive criticism is fine. For months I read and answered messages sent to me that were constructive and critical, but when those messages from some people started to turn into rants full of profanity and the sense that any reply i offered, including the suggestion to simply ignore certain things before a script to allow that digitally was set up, was being ignored. If i didn't give the answer these people must have been seeking, nothing else was accepted and I became the asshole for not doing what others wanted.

No cross, man. How would you feel upon finding out there were board members who not only organized such a thing against you, but didn't have the guts to say it personally so they took it onto another forum and social media to trash YOUR name? Then to find out it was going on at a forum you don't even visit regularly, visit that forum, and find your name and actions you didn't even do being bashed by any number of people, led by exactly the people who you'd find out later had a hand in setting this up deliberately?

Then...to have it filter on to this board, where misunderstandings of how things are done, how moderators do not work alone or act alone, to have all moderators and the board administrator back that up, and still have people going around with their various plans and plots to discredit YOU to the point where you're either forced to step down or would quit because the heat got too hot to take?

The best thing about the truth, Jim, is it's easy to spot the lies when you know it. If you were moderating this board, and not only saw board members trashing you and making stuff up when the reality is all mods are equally involved in bans and other decisions, but also found out it was being deliberately planned and organized by several board members who launched it as almost a campaign against you...I guess that would be OK to have people lying, bashing you on multiple forums, enlisting others to do the same thing, and then having people say "get off the cross"?

Right. If being a moderator involves that, i don't know how many good posters here would want any parts of it. Unless having people launch personal attack campaigns against you is part of the agreement when signing up.

If people are out to get you, why do you think that is? Did it just pop out of the mid-air or are you responsible for how you come off in here? Amazing too, that the banned members are also folks that had difference of opinions with you. Quite a few of the bannings come off looking like personal vendettas and some of those banned members believe that it is. That is the toughest part of moderating anything; being fair, but also getting involved and taking sides in the same discussions that you are moderating. That in itself is a tough balancing act, no doubt. Maybe we all need a do-over?

You mean that if you say something remotely negative about a song or album that Brian Wilson had anything to do with, then you're not a fan, you hate Brian and Melinda, and are on Mike Love's payroll?  

That one is a constant source of amusement.  

I received a nasty PM from a member once about exactly this. Some of the Brianistas here should consider loosening the tinfoil hats a smidge. Heaven forbid if any more blood is blocked from reaching their brains.

I don't like either the Mike Love's payroll accusations nor the assertions that if you don't like Mike Love's work you can't be a Beach Boys fan. They both are forms of suppression.

I'm OK with people being critical of Mike and some of his stuff.  The thing that bothers me is when people say he was a useless member of the group and try to say he made no positive contributions.  

I feel the same way.

On fainting - it could well have been a fainting spell. I came across  the aftermath of a motorcycle accident a few weeks ago and someone pointed out the body under a blanket about 50 feet from me. I was standing there, then felt dizzy, then I woke up sitting on the ground where I was standing with a few people asking me if I was OK. Apparently, to them, it looked like I'd just suddenly sat down on the sidewalk. But I wasn't conscious of doing it.

On reviews/comments - I've no problem with a fair negative review or comment - people's taste is their own. But the comments about age and retiring (not only about BW but other touring older people) bother me a bit. Rock hasn't been just for the young since the first generation of rock fans stopped being young. And I think older artists (or people in any field) should keep working as long as they want and as long as others are interested. For musicians, that would be as long as people buy tickets.

Some personal comments about Brian Wilson's well-being also bother me. Saying, "he seemed to have a bad night" is one thing. But saying, "he shouldn't be touring. He doesn't seem like he wants to be there" is implying something really bad about everyone who works with him and, without evidence, I don't think that's fair.

I don't know how many Brian shows that you have attended, but those comments happen at every show. At intermissions I usually talk to folks who are out smoking or whatever, and newer fans will always asked those questions.

Also, no offense to any other boards, but I don't think a few cryptic negative comments on the BB Britain board are a big deal. That board gets *very little* traffic, and even less *substantive* traffic. (It's circa 1997 website design/format probably doesn't help things either; and I say that genuinely as a constructive criticism).

I don't know if I should feel flattered by the attention, but the most active recent discussion on that board was back in November/December when Andrew (two Andrews, apparently) and several other former members of this forum who were banned decided to unload and turn it into a place to bash and criticize me for what they thought I did or didn't do here. That in itself was enough, but I also noticed the moderator apparently felt that was on topic enough to remain active, despite being everything but "It's all about the music", and even got in a few digs of their own. If that's the kind of board which encourages that kind of thing, then has members posting about comments made here about *there*, it becomes playground level kids' stuff. "I'm taking my ball and going home!" level dialogue. Nothing about the music. Just taking personal shots.

Then it became known that threads such as that on BBB were part of a deliberate effort to trash me and what I was supposed to have done or not done as a moderator of this board. Inspire others to join their calls for me to either step down or be 'fired', perhaps? In some cases it almost worked. Again this effort was involving members here who set out to discredit and bash me among others here, not only in light of the facts but again having nothing to do with coming to this forum or any other music community to talk about music, which is a regular charge for members to do more of. Yet that bashing fest stands as one of the most if not the most active thread on that community in months, if not all year. Do I get an end-of-the-year award for that distinction?  

It is unfortunate for the fans who actually do go there and here and anywhere else to post about the music, about shows, about anything related to the purpose of these forums. Because there are legitimately good, even great fans who like to hang out and talk.

It is a shame the real and honest-to-goodness fans have to unknowingly get pushed aside by the multiple layers that exist on these forums beyond fans coming here to read and talk to each other. It's not their fault there are others who are using these forums to purposely do things like the "Bash Guitarfool" type discussions at the end of last year and travel deep down into layers beyond what most people might think exist underneath all of this on the surface.

You really shouldn't be surprised by this at all. You had this board in such a state that some folks felt threatened to say what was on their mind in here. Folks will go where they have a voice. You had a hand in banning from some pretty popular posters in here, it was bound to over flow onto other boards when the ban-hammer here was hovering so close to them. You have become the Love You of Smiley Smile. They either love you or hate you, no in between.

If I remember correctly the master being used before this one was the safety copy that was found in (I think) Capitol's New York office which did have Wouldn't It Be Nice on it.

For the AP reissue?

Okay, now pardon my ignorance but before the 1972 twofer master being used on this reissue, what mono master was being used for the prior reissues? Is the original 1966 master not around anymore? Anybody feel like giving me a run through of what's been what?

Well, I thought the original master was what was used for the mono AP re-issue. Maybe, Steve Desper knows the full story as to how the Carl Wilson supervised master of 1972 came to be.

Honestly it seems like a small minority are saying these 'Brian is over' sorts of things and they seem to all be related to one show. Don't know what's up there, but you're right, Hey Jude, that context of commentary matters.

Also, a lot of smack gets talked about on these boards. I rarely trust any info here or anywhere else unless I know and trust the person who's fingers are typing the info supplied.

The one conspiracy that I think may be true is that Pharmaceutical companies are holding back on medical cures. In a stand-up routine done by Chris Rock, he claims that "they ain't cured sh*t, since polio". That drug companies can come up with medicines that keep ills at bey, but never find an all out cure for anything. Too much money to be made in treating the symptoms than to actually cure it. He may be speaking the truth on this one.

I think this is true, but I don't think it's a conspiracy. See my above comment re: people with power.

Emily, it is a conspiracy in so much as many medical charities come out to the public to help with cures for MS, MD, Aids, all sorts of Cancers, yet the billions that come out of the public"s pockets never materializes into what they think the money is going towards.

It should be on both the CD disc and the Blu-Ray disc.

The one conspiracy that I think may be true is that Pharmaceutical companies are holding back on medical cures. In a stand-up routine done by Chris Rock, he claims that "they ain't cured sh*t, since polio". That drug companies can come up with medicines that keep ills at bey, but never find an all out cure for anything. Too much money to be made in treating the symptoms than to actually cure it. He may be speaking the truth on this one.

After 17 years, fans on Beach Boys boards should know better than question Brian's demeanor on stage. He always has acted like that and it isn't going to change. I can understand a first timer making comments like that, but not fan boards.

<<But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.>>

The single mix has some serious punch.  And I think the MIC 'faders up" mix ranks with the best of their rock & roll covers, second only to Do You Wanna Dance.

I think the single mix is an improvement. 

But I'll still stick with Chuck Berry or The Beatles. 

The live version is probably their best. It rocked during the C50 Tour.

Is there a place where we can get the approved opinions and the correct agendas so we don't have all of this "diversity" (nose in air) of opinion? Maybe a loyalty test or pledge to sign:
"I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Kokomoist/Brianista Party (mark "X" next to only one)"

Maybe at the top of the "Welcome" page.

X  The Beach Boys (Independent Party)

I'm noticing a lot of cover songs in the later part of the recent M&B shows.

Do You Wanna Dance
Rock and Roll Music
Then I Kissed Her
Barbara Ann

Well, they did have hits with 3 of them. You have a hit with it, then it becomes yours. Even on the radio, I rarely hear the Regents version of Barbara Ann. It is always the Beach Boys version that is played.

I know these were all BB hits.  I was just a little surprised to see them kinda bunched together at the end.  

And I'm still trying to figure out how their studio version of Rock and Roll Music became a hit.  Maybe it was a well known song, buy a well known band.  Or their first new release since the massively popular Endless Summer.  

But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.  And it sets the stage for a fairly mediocre album.  

Luckily, it actually has a lot more energy in concert, much like Barbara Ann.  

Showing my age here, but it did come through punchier on AM radio. There is something to be said for the single car radio speaker.

I'm noticing a lot of cover songs in the later part of the recent M&B shows.

Do You Wanna Dance
Rock and Roll Music
Then I Kissed Her
Barbara Ann

Well, they did have hits with 3 of them. You have a hit with it, then it becomes yours. Even on the radio, I rarely hear the Regents version of Barbara Ann. It is always the Beach Boys version that is played.

Serious shortage of reviews from board members on the UK part of the tour.. eagerly waiting for more  

Sorry - most of us have been traveling to the various shows, so we're a bit behind on the reviews.  Mine will follow this link:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/brian-wilson-brought-pet-sounds-11354677

The Cardiff show was a fine performance by Brian, Al, Matt, Blondie and band, like the one in Birmingham.  The energy and skill of this group is so amazing.  By memory, I'm thinking that the set lists were the same, but of course, there are nuances at each show that makes it special.  To see these extraordinary musicians recreate that complex recording is something no fan should miss.  I know a large number of the shows are sold out, but it's worth the effort to try to get tickets where you can.  

As Emily noted above, it was fantastic.  Their were some minor sound glitches at both shows, but they were handled quickly.  As I've been saying since last year, with the addition of Al, Matt and Blondie, Brian has his best band ever in his later years, and I started seeing him in 1964.  My friends preferred the Cardiff show slightly, and I preferred the Birmingham show slightly, but both were quite fine.

I was noticing something about this group of vocalists, that really appealed to me.  During the softer numbers, the blend was particularly sweet, and when they rocked, the vocals really rocked.  It was perfect. Of course, Matt's being family helps make the harmonies feel more organic.  Mertens wailing on sax, with Blondie and Nicky killing on guitar is so amazing to watch in the midst of the gorgeous ballads and the unique work that is Pet Sounds.  I really enjoy Billy Hinsche and Gary Griffin, as well.  I'm less familiar with them, having only seen them a few times, but it all works.

The only bad news is that I've been made aware of a smear campaign about this tour appearing on the "usual suspect" Board, that normally attacks Brian. The campaign thread was made up of people who "talked to friends" who were at Birmingham saying that Brian is clearly uncomfortable and should hang it up.  That is such a lie that it disgusts me.  Brian was clearly relaxed and he's doing what he enjoys, and my comments aren't hearsay crap.  It couldn't be more blatant what is going on there.  Everyone was thrilled that I talked to, aside from one woman.  She was complaining about "missing Foskett" and about Matt's vocals.  It was explained to me later that she has lost her band member who got her backstage passes and access to Brian in the past, so clearly she had an agenda, given who the band member was.  I hope she enjoys Klub Kokomo along with the others on that ugly thread.

 

I am happy that you are enjoying the shows. As many of us have seen Brian live, we know he is not the typical rock star on stage, but he more than makes up for those limitations in performance and having that fantastic band behind him. With having Brian, Al & Blondie on stage, along with Matt & Billy H., this is The Beach Boys for me, more so than Mike & Bruce.

As for the lady missing Foskett and enjoying Club Kokomo, hey, we all have agendas don't we?

I don't care where the woman cares to hang out or with whom she associates.  But when that agenda leads to the unfounded trashing of a show that didn't deserve it, and a vocalist who doesn't deserve it, I think I have a right to speak up.  I don't even know if she's part of that ugly campaign, but I feel certain that it's being deliberately organized and I don't appreciate Brian being described as someone unhappy onstage when he clearly isn't.

She's entitled to feel however she wants and by whatever motivations she wants. As I said, everyone has an agenda. When Jeff first joined the Beach Boys, he really added the missing vocals that were lacking/missing in the live band for much of the late 70's. Once Matt was brought into the Beach Boys, I thought he matched Brian's falsetto much more closely. In Brian's band, he still more closely mirrors Brian than did Jeff.

You have to admit that Brian does not enter the stage and react to the crowd like most headliners would. Every show that I attend, someone always brings it up. Is he being forced to perform? He doesn't look like he wants to be up there. Did he hurt is back? He is walking gingerly, etc. I agree that it is up to us to let people know that that is Brian and that he does enjoy performing and that he does want to be here. I tell them that he still experiences stage fright and that he will settle in quick and put on a good show. That he wouldn't be touring for 17 years if he didn't enjoy it. I try to educate anyone who wants or cares to listen about anything concerning Brian Wilson and/or The Beach Boys.

Serious shortage of reviews from board members on the UK part of the tour.. eagerly waiting for more 

Sorry - most of us have been traveling to the various shows, so we're a bit behind on the reviews.  Mine will follow this link:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife-news/brian-wilson-brought-pet-sounds-11354677

The Cardiff show was a fine performance by Brian, Al, Matt, Blondie and band, like the one in Birmingham.  The energy and skill of this group is so amazing.  By memory, I'm thinking that the set lists were the same, but of course, there are nuances at each show that makes it special.  To see these extraordinary musicians recreate that complex recording is something no fan should miss.  I know a large number of the shows are sold out, but it's worth the effort to try to get tickets where you can. 

As Emily noted above, it was fantastic.  Their were some minor sound glitches at both shows, but they were handled quickly.  As I've been saying since last year, with the addition of Al, Matt and Blondie, Brian has his best band ever in his later years, and I started seeing him in 1964.  My friends preferred the Cardiff show slightly, and I preferred the Birmingham show slightly, but both were quite fine.

I was noticing something about this group of vocalists, that really appealed to me.  During the softer numbers, the blend was particularly sweet, and when they rocked, the vocals really rocked.  It was perfect. Of course, Matt's being family helps make the harmonies feel more organic.  Mertens wailing on sax, with Blondie and Nicky killing on guitar is so amazing to watch in the midst of the gorgeous ballads and the unique work that is Pet Sounds.  I really enjoy Billy Hinsche and Gary Griffin, as well.  I'm less familiar with them, having only seen them a few times, but it all works.

The only bad news is that I've been made aware of a smear campaign about this tour appearing on the "usual suspect" Board, that normally attacks Brian. The campaign thread was made up of people who "talked to friends" who were at Birmingham saying that Brian is clearly uncomfortable and should hang it up.  That is such a lie that it disgusts me.  Brian was clearly relaxed and he's doing what he enjoys, and my comments aren't hearsay crap.  It couldn't be more blatant what is going on there.  Everyone was thrilled that I talked to, aside from one woman.  She was complaining about "missing Foskett" and about Matt's vocals.  It was explained to me later that she has lost her band member who got her backstage passes and access to Brian in the past, so clearly she had an agenda, given who the band member was.  I hope she enjoys Klub Kokomo along with the others on that ugly thread.

 

I am happy that you are enjoying the shows. As many of us have seen Brian live, we know he is not the typical rock star on stage, but he more than makes up for those limitations in performance and having that fantastic band behind him. With having Brian, Al & Blondie on stage, along with Matt & Billy H., this is The Beach Boys for me, more so than Mike & Bruce.

As for the lady missing Foskett and enjoying Club Kokomo, hey, we all have agendas don't we?

I like catsup, mustard and mayonnaise, but only lightly spread on whatever I am eating. As a kid, I always ate "Wish" sandwiches. Called such as it was only mayonnaise spread between 2 slices of bread. Wishing I only had something to lay in between.