My spying caper? Is that like your own spying caper? Or is it different because it's you? I was informed about the swipes from the usual suspects against us and yeah, I took the piss out of it a bit with my signature. Who is the one coming in here constantly posting?

Here is the difference my friend; I am a member here and have every right to come and go as I please. You come into PSF and snoop and ferret around. I come here logged in every time I visit. 

You and Smile Brian took swipes at me and I responded and defended myself.

Then expect us to respond and defend ourselves when we are called 'loonytunes' and things like that.

And you and Craig better expect a response from me, as well. All's fair, baby! Peeps are leaving here again lately, What the hell is going on, Billy? I don't keep up like I used to. Your spying caper brought me in this time. I would invite you to join since you been there so much, but I know you wouldn't accept, so why bother, right?

Doctor, you can't write that we "wallow in our feces" (and there is no need to "spy", it's there for everyone to read, took me all of a whoppin' minute to reach it) and act all surprised and offended if one of the "wallowers" takes a quite civil exception.  
Someone said that you can decide to be either friend or tyrant, but not both at the same time. Meditate on that, it's not only valid for politics.

I have no problem with the swipes, I expected it. What I have a problem with is Craig telling me "But if your purpose is to come here to agitate and confront people...". I wasn't agitating or confronting. I came in to confirm Craig's point that I originally took offense to Iain's Mike Love thread when he first started it. You and Smile Brian took swipes at me and I responded and defended myself.

Dr Beach Boy - You're still welcome to take part in the discussions here. But if your purpose is to come here to agitate and confront people, it's not welcome. Tend to your own business, or take a hike entirely.

I was agitated here first. I was only responding to your post. As you say, I am still welcome to take part in discussions here. There was no need for the others to come after me before you had a chance to respond.

Now go kneel at the feet of your mega mod....

Kind of ironic coming from you, wouldn't you say, considering...

Good riddance to that bunch.

Right back atcha, fellow.

Doctor, please let us "wallow in our own feces" (I'm quoting one of your posts "there"). Neither Billy nor Craig ever go to disturb your havenly (pun intended) peace there. Pay us the same respect.
I can't speak for the board obviously, but speaking just for myself: please let us alone.

You betcha! Tell your fearless leader Craig to stop referencing us in here and I will be quite happy to leave you wallowing...

The humor in the situation is how when Iain first appeared with his "Why Do People Hate Mike Love" thread, many of the same people now embracing him and joining him on the "nice" place were the ones calling him a troll, calling for him to be removed and the thread locked or deleted, and openly challenging his motives and even attacking him personally. And the reason why centered around the assumption that his post was going to be an exercise in "Mike Bashing", and that he was here to start a round of Mike bashing, i.e. "trolling".

Then when it further developed, his article which he was purportedly "researching" via his posting experiment here seemed to ignore or leave out many of the actual insightful comments and opinions, and instead focused on the lowest-level "bashing" Iain could excise from the board, in order to I suppose prove his point and make all of it look like gutter-level sniping. Which, as others have said, I found to be a pretty glaring flaw of his article considering we could read both the raw data as posted here and the finished result which had been selectively edited and excised to paint the worst picture of this board and people among the fanbase who may have issues with Mike's actions or words.

Selective editing is a dangerous tool when in the wrong journalistic hands, but one bonus of a message board is how anyone can now go back to that thread and see some of the comments Iain either ignored or conveniently left out in order to sell the premise of his article. And they can see all the "nice people" calling for his head when they thought he was here to bash Mike. It's not the same demographic Iain is currently railing against on his social media network, and the nice place.

So, that's where all of that came from. It's funny to see how things get flipped and the facts distorted or changed entirely over time and with changing agendas.

Just to be clear, I stated in PSF that I in fact was one of those people here that was calling him out when he opened that thread on Mike. Still, what he did here is yours and Billy's concern, not mine. You do as you see fit.

Hey did anyone see the Dirkster with his "star" awards ceremony over there?? 

Hey yeah, I saw that over there.

The only thing missing was an insane myKe luHv type awards ceremony rant.

Coming this October with you as the Presenter.

Hey did anyone see the Dirkster with his "star" awards ceremony over there?? 

Hey yeah, I saw that over there.

Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!

No, they did not.

Joethomasisgod did.

One person is not THEY. And one person does not speak for the whole board. And we have asked our members not to say disparaging remarks about individual members/moderators from this board.

Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!

No, they did not.

Guys, Guys, Guys! Seriously, what's done is done. No amount of calling each other out about who is right and who's wrong is going to change a thing. It is done. We cannot change what happened and we all have to live with the aftermath. It is what it is and cannot be undone. Craig, the fact you cannot accept that not everyone accepts the truth through your side of the looking glass tells me all I need I ever need to know about your decision making. If what has transpired between you and I is any indication, Billy & Chuck didn't stand a chance of seeing things in any other way but your own.

Remember Billy, there are two sides to every story. I now have heard from both sides and I will stand by my own decisions and conscience. I never said that you had to agree with it and truth be told, if Craig had just let things go, we wouldn't even be discussing this now. I really don't care what any of you think of me personally. I have my own thoughts about you guys and about what you think is important and what you don't. There are certainly many more things that are more important than the two boards. I have a family, friends and a job that depend on me to be there giving my best effort. Wasting my time here when I should be doing more important activities is all I can take away from a day and a half of fruitless arguing. I suggest you guys get back to the important things in your lives, as well.

Now you're suggesting I bullied Billy and Chuck, or forced them to act or think a certain way? That's your version of the truth, so no matter what Billy and Chuck might say, you're not going to believe them, unless it fits your own version of events?

You can't see the truth as told by the people directly involved, and only want to believe and repeat whatever you think is the truth. So it's whatever you think and hope happened, versus what the only people involved say has actually happened.

Truly pathetic, especially for someone who will be administrating and moderating a community of fans. No conscience, no honesty, just rigid belief in whatever lies or untruths you want to believe, despite everyone involved repeatedly proving to you that you're wrong.

There it is, the administration of the new forum. Truth and facts don't matter at all, no matter who is telling them, especially if the truth and facts don't support his agenda.

Sick sh*t, man.

You are not well. Please seek help. Worry about yourself, not me. I am a big boy and can handle what comes my way, but I am concerned that you haven't been able to do the same. Find some peace and get on with life. I swear, you will feel better, honest.

Guys, Guys, Guys! Seriously, what's done is done. No amount of calling each other out about who is right and who's wrong is going to change a thing. It is done. We cannot change what happened and we all have to live with the aftermath. It is what it is and cannot be undone. Craig, the fact you cannot accept that not everyone accepts the truth through your side of the looking glass tells me all I need I ever need to know about your decision making. If what has transpired between you and I is any indication, Billy & Chuck didn't stand a chance of seeing things in any other way but your own.

Remember Billy, there are two sides to every story. I now have heard from both sides and I will stand by my own decisions and conscience. I never said that you had to agree with it and truth be told, if Craig had just let things go, we wouldn't even be discussing this now. I really don't care what any of you think of me personally. I have my own thoughts about you guys and about what you think is important and what you don't. There are certainly many more things that are more important than the two boards. I have a family, friends and a job that depend on me to be there giving my best effort. Wasting my time here when I should be doing more important activities is all I can take away from a day and a half of fruitless arguing. I suggest you guys get back to the important things in your lives, as well.

Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again. 

Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

More proof that you lack both the character and ability to administer and run anything, let alone a fan community.

It is your people coming to and at me. I didn't contact either of them. Boy, the pot calling the kettle black. You suck as a moderator and you have been at it a lot longer than I have. What is your excuse for being lousy? I know, because you can't let go. Beat it to death, brother!

Whatever you think about me as a moderator, I don't lie. You can't say the same about yourself, so enjoy carrying around that burden.

My conscience is clear. The fact that you can't let go tells me that your grasping.

Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again. 

Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

More proof that you lack both the character and ability to administer and run anything, let alone a fan community.

It is your people coming to and at me. I didn't contact either of them. Boy, the pot calling the kettle black. You suck as a moderator and you have been at it a lot longer than I have. What is your excuse for being lousy? I know, because you can't let go. Beat it to death, brother!

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.

You're wrong, Alan. I didn't bring it up. The thread was quiet until Cam, then Dirk brought it up 3 days after the last post on the issue. Read the posts - No one mentioned it since June 15th until Cam and Dirk brought it up. So don't blame me yet again for doing something I did not do. If there are comments made, I will address them.

You want to tell me about "classy" while welcoming certain people back with open arms and a clean slate? Don't even go there considering what's happened and what has been done and said.

I also have been talking "about the music" when it seems like an inordinate amount of posters who supposedly took up residence at the other forum have been coming back to Smiley Smile to post mostly about this stuff rather than talk about the music.  Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining, Alan.

You did bring it up on June 15th. I answered your question on June 19th in post #282. That should have been the end of it, but of course you never let things go, so we had hash and re-hash all day yesterday and over something that is frankly, none of your business. The amount that was paid, whether it was $5 or $5,000 is no concern to anyone but Rob and myself. You need to get off that high horse you are riding, retreat from the crusade that you have started and get back to what you came here to do in the first place, moderate. Every time I see your name anymore, the first thing that comes to mind is that old 1980 Linda Ronstadt song, "I Can't Let Go". Please, do your self and everyone in here a favor; just let it go. You'll feel much better, I promise.

So the phrase is "let it go"? I'd throw that right back at you, Doc, and make it retroactive going back however long you've been hammering away at all these "issues" of yours.

In case you forgot, this is what you posted:

You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

Talk about letting it go, I'll ask point blank and directly: Have you chosen to ignore or dismiss everything that anyone involved in moderating this board has said? You are still pushing this bullshit (yes, I'll use that word again because it applies) and suggesting I somehow steamrolled into this moderating gig and took over the whole thing. It's a lie similar to what some who were banned have said and were trying to sell to people on multiple forums. According to that nonsense, every decision that was made, every ban, warning, and all else was initiated by me and me alone in order to create the board how I wanted it. Everything done by the moderators was in lock step with how I envisioned this board, and according to what you have been insisting for several months up to your post above, it was part of my grand scheme to shape the board and dictate how it would exist.

At what point, Doc, will you shut the hell up about this and stop lying?

Beyond the obvious, what you're suggesting here isn't just a lie, it's an insult to the other moderators who have been on the job since I joined, and up to the present day a direct 'f*** you' to both Billy and Charles since you obviously took nothing from what they have said. If you are suggesting I'm responsible for all of these decisions, and have somehow taken control over the board, you are still ignoring what Billy has said as recently as the past week, and what Charles, Billy, Klaas, and myself have been saying since lat year when this same chickenshit "campaign" and the related lying started popping up. Sourced, for the record, by people currently banned from this forum yet welcomed back openly and warmly on your forum.

If you want to come here and lie, if you want to come here and continue insulting the people whom you claim to respect, and continue pushing this bullshit of yours that I'm running roughshod over the whole operation, in spite of being told directly that you were full of sh*t by those actually involved, then you will get a reply and a challenge.

In this case, stop the bullshit.

And if there is nothing to hide, why hide it?

Let it go, indeed. How about accepting the truth for once instead of pushing lies that were dismissed months ago? Keep chasing those windmills, Quixote.

I don't friggin' care. Don't you get it? I will never change with what I think happened in here and you will never convince me otherwise. So, let - it - go.

Just remember this; all that has happened in here, happened under your watch. Your decision making, along with Billy and Chuck directed all that has happened in here over the past year or so. You guys made your decisions, so now live with them.

Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  

Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved.

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.

You're wrong, Alan. I didn't bring it up. The thread was quiet until Cam, then Dirk brought it up 3 days after the last post on the issue. Read the posts - No one mentioned it since June 15th until Cam and Dirk brought it up. So don't blame me yet again for doing something I did not do. If there are comments made, I will address them.

You want to tell me about "classy" while welcoming certain people back with open arms and a clean slate? Don't even go there considering what's happened and what has been done and said.

I also have been talking "about the music" when it seems like an inordinate amount of posters who supposedly took up residence at the other forum have been coming back to Smiley Smile to post mostly about this stuff rather than talk about the music.  Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining, Alan.

You did bring it up on June 15th. I answered your question on June 19th in post #282. That should have been the end of it, but of course you never let things go, so we had hash and re-hash all day yesterday and over something that is frankly, none of your business. The amount that was paid, whether it was $5 or $5,000 is no concern to anyone but Rob and myself. You need to get off that high horse you are riding, retreat from the crusade that you have started and get back to what you came here to do in the first place, moderate. Every time I see your name anymore, the first thing that comes to mind is that old 1980 Linda Ronstadt song, "I Can't Let Go". Please, do your self and everyone in here a favor; just let it go. You'll feel much better, I promise.

Wow.

You're right Adam, post modified.

I don't think either one of you (including GF) took the "wow" meaning as intended, but perhaps that's just as well (one of the advantages of vagueposting). 

Since it was coming from a place of sheer bewilderment and amazement, maybe appropriately so.

I figure that Craig is so interested in my costs because he wants to pay for next year's fees.

You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.
 
Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.

The history of those folks are here, not there. Ever hear of a new lease on life, well now they have it. Let it go.

Not until the truth comes out, Doc. At least so people have a fair shot at knowing the truth instead of your f***ed up version of whatever it is you're calling the truth. Because your version is bullshit.

You need to read your posts. You sound a bit wacky. Paranoid at worst. Take a breath and relax.

How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.

Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

The fees have nothing to do with storage, data usage or transfer, available bandwidth, or anything in that realm. You're not answering the question.

There was no up front fees, period. swedishfrog  and I paid for the domain name. As of June 19, 2016 at 4:32pm edt, that is all I was charged for.

You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.
 
Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.

The history of those folks are here, not there. Ever hear of a new lease on life, well now they have it. Let it go.

How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.

Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.