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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Group name for Hard Core Beach Boys Fans on: December 02, 2015, 08:53:42 AM
But a piece of paper and lawyers do not make #notthebeachboys the BBs.

Congrats on stinking up yet another thread, a fun one too.
52  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The Right to Keep and Bear Arms: The Gun Thread on: December 01, 2015, 11:58:17 PM

Violent TV shows, music with risque lyrics, fatty foods, soda can't kill you in the blink of an eye. An irresponsibly handled gun can. In my 46 years of life I've never beem in a situation where I could have used a gun. If I had one and encountered a situation in which I could use it, I'd probably be too stunned to make use of it. IMO guns should be restricted to people who have a good reason to have them, like policemen. At least I don't have a good reason to have one.


Not everyone has that luxury. Understandably people who live in areas where break ins and muggings are commonplace may feel safer if they could protect themselves. Also, I say this as someone who lives in a fairly good part of the UK.
53  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 30, 2015, 11:28:35 AM
Look at the examples I gave you earlier. No, things have not reached the point where they can state specific threats of terror but they can certainly shout the kind of stuff I mentioned before with no real reprisal. The law here will only 'monitor' them. Frankly, I don't think that's good enough.
54  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 30, 2015, 11:06:58 AM

Again, what I said was true -- in England there are laws which state that you cannot encourage nor incite terrorism and the country's Human Rights and Freedom of Speech Laws do not allow for those actions. You may not like how the law is being applied but to say that "support for groups such as ISIS goes completely unchallenged" because of the Human Rights laws in the country is simply not true.


I live here, believe me it is.
55  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 30, 2015, 12:00:06 AM
I have, repeatedly Many Questions Man. And still you ask it. I've ran out of ways to answer you, it's mentally exhausting trying to think of different ways to get my reply through your head.
Like I said before, this isn't a conversation or debate, it's a one sided question fest.
Good day to you.

I would be happy to debate you or have a conversation if I understood your position. I suppose that when you note above that you "clarified" your original statement, you are saying that you don't actually believe that we should declare Islam to be an ideology "far beyond that of a religion" and then outlaw it as a terror organization. However, if you were specifically referring to Islamic terrorism, then I'm still puzzled since obviously that's already outlawed, as it should be. If you mean that all fundamentalists should be thrown in jail, I would disagree. I would say that fundamentalism of any kind is dangerous but so is throwing people in jail on the basis of their beliefs. As has already been noted, most terrorism in the United States is carried out by reactionaries who hold anti-government views, which are themselves a kind of fundamentalism. In fact, the similarities are quite striking between those who hold anti-government points of view and those who hold fundamentalist religious points of view. Nevertheless, while slavish anti-government figures can present a threat and it is quite possible that someone in a group of anti-government fundamentalists could indeed be violently destructive, I nevertheless would not support throwing into prison anybody who holds those views, unless they were actively pursuing or encouraging illegal activity.

Phewf. An entire thread with not a single question. That was difficult for Many Questions Man.  Smiley

I've moved your quote back to this thread as we were taking over the PP thread.  Cheesy

It may be different in the States but in the UK, public support (and I mean very public, as in street rallys and such) for an exteme Islamic state rule in western countries and support for groups such as ISIS goes completely unchallenged. Such hate speech is tolorated under our Human Rights and Freedom of Speech Laws.
Not long ago there was footage being floated over here of a guy with a small child on his shoulders and the child was waving the ISIS flag, as he walked down a street in London.
I've seen photos of such protest rallys where you can read signs such as
"Death to all non-believers"
"There is only one LAW - Allah"
"Convert to Islam or die!"
"All your women shall be ours".

There is/was a video floating around on youtube of a women interviewing a radical march in her hometown of Luton. They were protesting that a Muslim man had been arrested by the police for his invlovement in killing a (I believe) women. They chants were that the police were all doomed to hell because they had no right to impose their law on a Muslim.
When she attempted to interview members of the mob,the lady (who was moderately dressed) was called a whore, spat at and told to go home and cover up.

Again, all this crap is protected here by the very thing that they are attempting to tear down - western values. This things go far beyond that of just a religion, it needs to be recognised as such and not be protected under freedom of religion laws.
If they find our values and way of life so repungent, they need to f*** OFF over to a country more in line with their mindset.

More later, I've got to get ready for work. And just to pre empt the inevitable - I AM NOT SAYING EVERY MUSLIM PERSON THINKS THIS WAY.
56  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 29, 2015, 07:51:51 PM
I have, repeatedly Many Questions Man. And still you ask it. I've ran out of ways to answer you, it's mentally exhausting trying to think of different ways to get my reply through your head.
Like I said before, this isn't a conversation or debate, it's a one sided question fest.
Good day to you.
57  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 29, 2015, 07:37:37 PM
Can you please change your name to Many Questions Man? It seems to fit you much better.

I'm mostly asking one question which you are still refusing to answer. Here it is again:

Do you really think we should declare Islam to be an ideology "far beyond that of a religion" as you said or did you actually mean something else?
Already answered that and clarified my initial statement so I repeat.


Well as predicted you again asked the same question.Can you please change your name to Many Questions Man? It seems to fit you much better.
Seriously. Questions, questions, more fucking questions. Which I answer. Which you then claim that I don't. Which I then answer again, followed by the same question rephrased. Which I answer but like chopping off the head of the Hydra leads to 3 more fucking questions. And on and on and on it goes.
Here, let me cut through your endless parade of questions and repeat what I pretty much posted two weeks back which sums up exactly where I stand on Islamic terrorism. It's my final say on the matter, so for all those questions that you are bound to feel compelled to ask in response please kindly keep to yourself.

DON'T LET ANYBODY FROM PREDOMINATELY MUSLIM COUNTRIES SETTLE IN THE WEST AT THIS TIME.
DEPORT OR IMPRISON ANYBODY WITH LINKS OR SUPPORTS ANY FORM OF RADICALIZED ISLAMIC ACTIVITY.
58  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 29, 2015, 07:11:32 PM
Well as predicted you again asked the same question.Can you please change your name to Many Questions Man? It seems to fit you much better.
Seriously. Questions, questions, more fucking questions. Which I answer. Which you then claim that I don't. Which I then answer again, followed by the same question rephrased. Which I answer but like chopping off the head of the Hydra leads to 3 more fucking questions. And on and on and on it goes.
Here, let me cut through your endless parade of questions and repeat what I pretty much posted two weeks back which sums up exactly where I stand on Islamic terrorism. It's my final say on the matter, so for all those questions that you are bound to feel compelled to ask in response please kindly keep to yourself.

DON'T LET ANYBODY FROM PREDOMINATELY MUSLIM COUNTRIES SETTLE IN THE WEST AT THIS TIME.
DEPORT OR IMPRISON ANYBODY WITH LINKS TO OR SUPPORTS ANY FORM OF RADICALIZED ISLAMIC ACTIVITY.
59  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Come, my posse, let us convene... on: November 29, 2015, 05:42:23 PM
What is thy bidding, thy master?
60  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Zappa and Politics on: November 29, 2015, 05:35:10 PM
Frank would have made mincemeat out of the current crop of lefties.
The only thing I never agreed with him on was his complete opposition to albums containing warning stickers for explicit language content.
I think he was totally deluding himself into thinking that he ever had a shot of getting into office of any kind, however.
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 29, 2015, 05:12:48 PM

I'll be glad to engage with you when you address anything I have actually said but you seem intent here on concocting a position for me out of thin air. I have said nothing whatsoever along those lines.

Also this;  LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL. After all the sh*t that has been insinuated towards me on this and the other thread? Pot say hello to the kettle.
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 29, 2015, 05:07:33 PM
Any form of worship be it Islamic, Christian or the Cult of Cthulhu that uses it's teachings as a basis to try dominate the rest of the world by force, intolerance and fear mongering has an ideology that has moved beyond that of a mere religion and into fascist supremacism territory.
I now patiently await your reply where you claim I haven't answered your question and ask me the same question yet again.
63  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 05:48:58 PM
Maybe, but by your logic, how can you tell if the Christian that just entered your country/state/city/village/jail cell is a nut job or not? Might as  well not let them travel, right? I mean, Joel Osteen might have told them to strap dynamite to their chest and blow up a mosque.

I've already thrashed out this line of thought with Emily and the Shake Man.
64  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 05:17:37 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.



But anybody of Islamic faith should stay in their own country,  right?

Certainly, until a handle on this current situation can be sorted I think it would be a wise move.
So all Christians should be banned from interstate and international travel until they stop shooting people?

This crap again? Are Christian citizens traveling to other countries to shoot people over their differing religious beliefs right now?


Too busy doing it at home.
Which is a totally seperate issue.
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 05:14:58 PM
In order to preserve liberty, elements who are loathe to embrace liberty must be ostracized from society.
Including Mike's Beard who doesn't consider freedom of speech to be a fundamental right?

It's amazing how the word  'liberty' (the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views) applies to some but not all.
It doesn't or should not stretch to those who support any group who wish to kill innocents.
66  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 04:48:59 PM
In order to preserve liberty, elements who are loathe to embrace liberty must be ostracized from society.
Including Mike's Beard who doesn't consider freedom of speech to be a fundamental right?
If a country grants it's citizens freedom of speech as a fundamental right, then anyone living in that country who wishes to destroy those citizens have forefitted their right to freedom of speech.
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 04:42:09 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.



But anybody of Islamic faith should stay in their own country,  right?

Certainly, until a handle on this current situation can be sorted I think it would be a wise move.
So all Christians should be banned from interstate and international travel until they stop shooting people?

This crap again? Are Christian citizens traveling to other countries to shoot people over their differing religious beliefs right now?
And before you bring it up, back when the IRA bombings were at their peak, I would have supported restricted travel from Northern Ireland to other countries.
68  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 03:20:53 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.



But anybody of Islamic faith should stay in their own country,  right?

Certainly, until a handle on this current situation can be sorted I think it would be a wise move.

Wow. So does that include deportation,  by chance?

I've already clearly stated this. ANYONE with known links to ISIS or any other form of radical groups needs to be sent packing or locked up. Not 'monitored', one of the Paris bombers had been under surveillance for some time - look how that turned out. Religious freedom ends the second you align yourself with murderers.

Just to clarify. ...ONLY those with known links to ISIS,  right? Not rounding up every Muslim and deporting them, just the ones known to be affiliated with terror groups.

Yes. Haven't I already said this several times now? Here's what I said early on in the Paris thread;

Round up any already living in the west that are known to support, have links, ties, sympathise or preach radical Islamic ideology and deport them if they are migrants or lock them up if they are second/third generation settlers under grounds of treason. And that includes those that would support any form of Sharia Law.

69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 03:03:10 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.



But anybody of Islamic faith should stay in their own country,  right?

Certainly, until a handle on this current situation can be sorted I think it would be a wise move.

No one's concerned about the "peaceful" ones. When the numbers point to anywhere between 20-25% being "radicals," however, preservation becomes a major point. There is no "refugee crisis" in Europe. No refugee crisis consists of nearly 77% able-bodied males in their twenties and thirties. That's an invasion. We can sit in the grass, stop working, bang on the drums all day, and sing Kumbaya...or we can recognize that maybe, just maybe, there really is a problem on our hands here in Western civilization.

Which is exactly what I have been saying. No matter how great or small the threat may be, our elected leaders are playing Russian Roulette with it's people's safety here.
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 02:57:10 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.



But anybody of Islamic faith should stay in their own country,  right?

Certainly, until a handle on this current situation can be sorted I think it would be a wise move.

Wow. So does that include deportation,  by chance?

I've already clearly stated this. ANYONE with known links to ISIS or any other form of radical groups needs to be sent packing or locked up. Not 'monitored', one of the Paris bombers had been under surveillance for some time - look how that turned out. Religious freedom ends the second you align yourself with murderers.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 02:42:08 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.



But anybody of Islamic faith should stay in their own country,  right?

Certainly, until a handle on this current situation can be sorted I think it would be a wise move.
72  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 02:37:38 PM
*WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.

Maybe I should attach this disclaimer to every post from now on to avoid the barrage of bull this topic seems to rain down on me?
73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Planned Parenthood exposed -- CAUTION on: November 28, 2015, 02:33:38 PM
I've answered it again and again. You just don't think I have because I don't agree with your basic proposition that all conflict in the Middle East is caused by the West.

That's not my basic proposition. Second, you have not answered it because you have yet to acknowledge the fact that particular actions from the West have led to an increase to the threat of terror. This, by the way, is not my proposition. I'm merely quoting the leading experts on the topic, such as the FBI, the Department of Defense, one of the leading counter-terrorist experts in France, etc. So you are not disagreeing with me -- you are disagreeing with the leading experts on the subject.

So is your answer then that you disagree with the FBI, the CIA, Department of Defense, the National Security Council, and leading counter-terrorist experts and believe that we are not increasing the threat of terror so we might as well continue with the actions that all of these sources are saying are contributing to the threat?


Whoops, I forgot the Middle East was a peaceful Utopia before the Bush's blundered along.
 FOR THE LAST TIME!!!! I think we should leave the middle east countries alone. I can't be any clearer on the subject.


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As for your hypothetical "if I found that there was one Christian church that promoted terrorism, would you agree with the basic point that we should declare Christianity to be an ideology "far beyond that of a religion" question, show me the proof that this is happening and I'll address it.

It's not happening. That's why it is a hypothetical question. I'm sure you are capable of responding to a hypothetical.

It's a straw man question and I've been led down the garden path with your hypothetical questions one too many times now, so I choose not to answer.
Also you've just inadvertently admitted that we are potentially more at risk from Muslims then we are from Christians.
WHICH IS NOT TO SAY THAT I THINK EVERYONE OF THE ISLAMIC RELIGION IS A TERRORIST.
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: King Crimson on: November 28, 2015, 02:29:28 PM
I was a King Crimson obsessive back in the 90s and saw them 6 or 7 times. I've cooled on them considerably (funnily, after accidentally meeting Robert Fripp in Detroit Metropolitan Airport).

I came into fandom by way of In the Court of the Crimson King but, ultimately, most appreciated the 80s line-up and albums (Discipline/Beat/Three of a Perfect Pair).

I don't think they have a perfect album, but Discipline comes closest, with In the Court of the Crimson King, Larks' Tongues in Aspic, and Red coming in close behind.

I would advise a novice to pick up any of those 4, but be aware that they are remarkably different from each other.

I think Red and Starless contain a little too much noodling in places. If they had condensed the best tracks of each on to one record, it would have been their best album.
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's band on: November 28, 2015, 02:23:13 PM
Yeah 'cos Andrew offers absolutely nothing of value to this board, what do you bring?
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