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126  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: November 21, 2015, 03:31:26 PM
127  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike's band on: November 21, 2015, 03:23:12 PM


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128  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Andy Favreau to join Aquarius… As Dennis Wilson on: November 21, 2015, 03:16:00 PM
Isn't this a somewhat fictionalized account of the Manson story anyway.

It's a very fictionalized version of the Manson story. I missed the last few episodes, the show didn't seem to be going anywhere.
129  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: King Crimson on: November 21, 2015, 07:40:08 AM
It took me a few years to really get in to them but now I'm hooked. In the Court of the Crimson King is the best place to start for anyone looking to check them out. My favourite album by them is Lark's Tongues in Aspic.

130  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's best solo moment on: November 18, 2015, 11:40:30 PM
Caroline No. The (mostly) dreck he has put out in the last 15 years can't hold a candle to it.
131  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 18, 2015, 11:34:31 PM

Concerning the early credits, since Brian and Carl both stated that Murry produced or co-produced some of their early stuff, that's all I need to hear to recognize that he did. We all know that Murry ultimately became a pest in the studio, but that doesn't mean that he couldn't have contributed valuable producer's type guidance in the early days.

Exactly, there is no arguement.
132  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Love Article/Interview from Yahoo/The West Australian on: November 18, 2015, 11:31:19 PM
It's telling how people who never had a bad word to say about Jeff when he was working with Brian are suddenly falling over themselves to slag the guy now he's in Mike's band. I'm consistent, I've never been a fan of the guy.
133  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 11:22:48 PM

Please point me to the post of yours where you have answered the question.

I have said several times that the West should leave the Middle East alone.
134  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 02:50:51 PM

Yes, but it was a direct response to your tangential slur about them "murdering each other, just as they've been doing for centuries." The fact that you will make a slur like that reveals much about your true motives.

My motives are I don't want anymore people to be killed by these rabid dogs, especially if one of them is me.

In that case, are you in favour of ceasing policies that are increasing the threat of terror?

This has now gone unanswered twice in this conversation. Why is that?
(a) I'm under no obligation to answer you.
(b) I've been out for a few hours and
(c) I've already answered the question.
135  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 11:38:17 AM
So if you had a choice between living in Syria or any European country, you'd choose Syria, yes? Seeing as how they're all so much more peace loving people an' all. Wait, why aren't you there already if the people are so great?

Where would you rather live, Syria or Germany?

Thanks to Merkel, neither!
136  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 11:26:33 AM

Yes, but what can't get absorbed here is that Syrians have shown themselves to be less homicidal than Americans.
Again Less Homicidal (Syrians) + More Homicidal (Americans) = Lesser density of homicidal,
Please... please please don't pretend again that you don't understand that basic equation.

Your logic seems to be "Well there's 100 people over there and 5 of them are homicidal maniacs. Let's dump another 500 people in with them of which 5 of them are homicidal maniacs also. There'll be more homicidal maniacs altogether so more people getting killed but as they'll be spread out amongst more people, the odds of you being one of the people that will get killed by them is reduced, so it's a-okay".
If you are advocating closed borders altogether, against everyone, this would be an argument. As we are not closing borders altogether against everyone, and as we do have a somewhat fixed quantity of Visas released per year, giving a proportion of those Visas to some of the least likely to commit homicide would decrease the proportion of homicidal madmen than giving those Visas to, say, Europeans.

So if you had a choice between living in Syria or any European country, you'd choose Syria, yes? Seeing as how they're all so much more peace loving people an' all. Wait, why aren't you there already if the people are so great?
137  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 11:17:42 AM

Yes, but it was a direct response to your tangential slur about them "murdering each other, just as they've been doing for centuries." The fact that you will make a slur like that reveals much about your true motives.

My motives are I don't want anymore people to be killed by these rabid dogs, especially if one of them is me.
138  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 11:13:15 AM

Yes, but what can't get absorbed here is that Syrians have shown themselves to be less homicidal than Americans.
Again Less Homicidal (Syrians) + More Homicidal (Americans) = Lesser density of homicidal,
Please... please please don't pretend again that you don't understand that basic equation.

Your logic seems to be "Well there's 100 people over there and 5 of them are homicidal maniacs. Let's dump another 500 people in with them of which 5 of them are homicidal maniacs also. There'll be more homicidal maniacs altogether so more people getting killed but as they'll be spread out amongst more people, the odds of you being one of the people that will get killed by them is reduced, so it's a-okay".
139  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 11:01:13 AM

And are you reaffirming my point I made yesterday which you ignored which was that some actions have predictable consequences and therefore we have an obligation to put an end to the actions that we know will have negative consequences?

I'm more worried about our nations obligation to keep it citizens out of harm's way. As I've stated already, the tensions in the Middle East can't be fixed. Leave well alone and let them carry on murdering each other, just as they've been doing for centuries.
Do you have any support for this assertion?
Europeans have murdered more of both each other and of non-Europeans by far during recorded history.

Another history lesson and again not relevant to the fact that Islamic madmen are currently killing Westerners.
140  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 10:53:26 AM
This is probably the article The Captain is referring to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html

Here's a quote:

"A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University."

Interesting. If we apply the solutions proffered by some on this board, we should start rounding up and deporting white supremacists and anti-government extremists. Who's that guy with the ranch in Nevada? He should be deported today.

Haha, just stepping back in briefly to mention that you are both backing up the point I made the other day that America (and other collective countries) already have their own share of homicidal madmen and that running the risk of importing more is just dumb.
As you were,
MB over and out.
Um, no... that's not how it went. How it went was that I pointed out that the US already has its share of homicidal madmen and you said your thing about importing more being bad (which, within context implies that allowing Muslims to immigrate, which you earlier stated your opposition to, beginning this discussion in the first place) and I pointed out that, as Muslims commit intentional homicide less than Americans, the density of homicidal madmen would be decreased by Muslim immigration, at which point you changed focus because it was obvious the line you were taking made no sense.

It makes perfect sense. KDS twigged to what I posted right away, you seem baffingly unable to do so.
Let me make it nice and simple for you.
Madmen + more madmen = bad.
141  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 10:44:09 AM

And are you reaffirming my point I made yesterday which you ignored which was that some actions have predictable consequences and therefore we have an obligation to put an end to the actions that we know will have negative consequences?

I'm more worried about our nations obligation to keep it citizens out of harm's way. As I've stated already, the tensions in the Middle East can't be fixed. Leave well alone and let them carry on murdering each other, just as they've been doing for centuries.
142  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 10:28:18 AM
How does that question hold any relevance to what I posted?

Because you suggest we shouldn't let anybody into the country because they pose a possible threat. But when you consider that domestic terror is an issue, then anyone moving to your own town could be a possible threat. So, do you advocate bans on people moving from one state to another or from one city to another? If not, what is the difference?

I can't believe I'm even entertaining this question but........ other then the overwhelming difference in logisitics between stopping people from entering a country and stopping people already in a country from moving around it (why don't you just post "should we ban people from walking from one street to another?"), people native to their country have certain rights/freedoms we are not under any obligation to grant to others from a different country.
Of course the guy moving in next door to me could be a potential axe murderer, just because we don't have the power to prevent everything bad from ever happening does not mean we shouldn't take pre-emptive action when it's available to us.
143  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 10:00:58 AM
How does that question hold any relevance to what I posted?
144  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 18, 2015, 09:49:24 AM
This is probably the article The Captain is referring to:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html

Here's a quote:

"A survey to be published this week asked 382 police and sheriff’s departments nationwide to rank the three biggest threats from violent extremism in their jurisdiction. About 74 percent listed antigovernment violence, while 39 percent listed “Al Qaeda-inspired” violence, according to the researchers, Charles Kurzman of the University of North Carolina and David Schanzer of Duke University."

Interesting. If we apply the solutions proffered by some on this board, we should start rounding up and deporting white supremacists and anti-government extremists. Who's that guy with the ranch in Nevada? He should be deported today.

Haha, just stepping back in briefly to mention that you are both backing up the point I made the other day that America (and other collective countries) already have their own share of homicidal madmen and that running the risk of importing more is just dumb.
As you were,
MB over and out.
145  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The Walking Dead - Season 6 on: November 18, 2015, 06:33:57 AM
Not to be a downer but so far I've found it to be boring as hell. I mentioned to a friend today that I'm reaching the point of giving up on it totally.
Luckily that friend happened to lend me season 1-7 of The Shield on dvd last week, so I'm not short of great tv at the moment.

However, the format they use (and have been using the last few seasons) where they focus on one character or set of characters, and their storylines for an entire episode almost makes me want to wait until the season is over and binge watch.  That's my only real criticism of the show that I'd rather see the different character stories intertwined within each episode. 

This is deliberate by the network to keep costs down as the cast are paid per episode appearence, if Andrew Lincoln doesn't show up in an episode, AMC doesn't have to pay him anything.
146  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 17, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
Nobody is making a claim that Murry should retroactively be given production credits. The question was 'if Murry did do things that could be considered producing duties, why did he never seek credit at the time?'
That was not the original question. It's been put out by a few people but it's evident from reading the thread that that's not the main thing people are focusing on.
But, I think my latest comment applies to that: the decision was based on the titles and job descriptions as they were understood by the participants at the time, hopefully explicitly set out, but maybe not.

Although worded differently, it was the second question/point asked in this thread.
147  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Murry not crediting each other properly on: November 17, 2015, 01:08:21 PM
Nobody is making a claim that Murry should retroactively be given production credits. The question was 'if Murry did do things that could be considered producing duties, why did he never seek credit at the time?'
148  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 17, 2015, 09:39:45 AM
True, nothing you say will make me change my mind and vice versa. Anything I quote is just going to be dismissed as propaganda so I can't be bothered to post it.
Bowing out gracefully.
149  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 17, 2015, 09:20:14 AM
No, that's not quite true. First of all, you have never once addressed the point that I have made several times that for many religion is not a motivating factor. You've ignored that outright.

I've ignored it because frankly I have a hard time believing it.

Further, you have wavered back and forth between Islam being responsible, to people distorting Islam based on whatever I said last until you finally stopped responding when I challenged your final point that "the Koran make the Old Testament look tame by compairson."

Actually I've been quite firm in saying that I'm wary of anyone who wants to base their lives around this ancient garbage. Those that see it as a go ahead to kill others are not so much distorting it as cherry picking the parts that justify (in their minds) their actions.
Lastly, we could trade bloodlust passages from both books all we want but in 2015 we have a lot less to fear from Hardcore Christians then we do Militant Muslims.
150  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Paris on: November 17, 2015, 08:49:59 AM
The west should be committed to leaving well alone what they cannot fix and have no place really trying to.

They have no place trying to? It's been demonstrated that our actions have led to the rise of radicalism and the increase risk in terror. Doesn't that mean we have a responsibility in fixing it?

No, nobody is forcing them to put a gun in their hands. If I was to stab someone in the neck that would be on me, not the fault of someone else. Same applies here albeit on a vast scale.

Mike's beard develops his own ersatz stats, history and political philosophy based on images flashing by on TV and hysterical writings on the Internet.
And where do you get yours from, pray tell? The moon? I get my information from a variety of sources from both sides of the argument.

You're beating your head against a wall CSM. This whole time, he hasn't once engaged thoughtfully with your central point. And he's not going to.

I have but as it isn't the response you or CSM want to hear you ignore it.



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