A better quality version of Your Song would be great to have if this eventuates.

I think one of these was released on CD - on a compilation for the Sydney festival that Brian played, from memory Jan 2008. I may be wrong.

You are correct sir - "MAD" was released on a promo for a Sydney music event, but you couldn't buy it. It came as a freebie if you bought a regular CD.

Thanks Andrew. I picked up 2 of these CDs without any payment - can't remember how. In any event that is an official CD release.

The OP seems to have been concerned as to whether these were available officially. Hard to get sure - but an official release.

So was the long and the short of all that that there has been no official release of the FYBMSG demo?

[Lucy Jones]

Was listening to Lucy Jones - the first thing that struck me was the connection to Hey There Momma, (and by default that Xmas re-write of it), and also, particularly the Wilson/Paley version of Goin' Home.

Of course Brian's known to have never wasted a good idea.

Was this connection obvious to everyone?

Are there any other tracks that have this same chorus riff?

My bad.

You've reminded me of the Veggies demo master number / IIGS connection (which I don't think I imagined) - - which just confuses things even more!

Brian's cover of Carl's Heaven. I don't think it has been released anywhere else, but I could be wrong.

Was it on one of the ESQ discs?

I thought  couple Christmas songs were released.... unless they were re-recorded,,,,,

There was the "instrumental" and "vocal only" versions of On Christmas Day. They weren't released on CD. The regular version obviously was.

The demo - and definitive - version of "MAD".

Likewise with "Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl" - extra verse and all.

I think one of these was released on CD - on a compilation for the Sydney festival that Brian played, from memory Jan 2008. I may be wrong.

FWIW getting back to the topic, IMO there's a pretty good case for saying I Love To Say Dada may have been intended as "Air", particularly with reference to "part 2 second day" TSS disc 4 track 13.

What do you mean?

The added whistling adds an airyness!

Loving the input -

Found the reference I was thinking of [page 128 in LLVS revised edition] - I note that it mentions Barnyard, and also separately Mrs O'Leary's Cow and I Love To Say Dada (incorporating Cool Cool Water).

FWIW getting back to the topic, IMO there's a pretty good case for saying I Love To Say Dada may have been intended as "Air", particularly with reference to "part 2 second day" TSS disc 4 track 13.

PS. I always thought (from the 90s I mean) IIGS was probably I Wanna Be Around followed by the Workshop stuff. I just couldn't get past the use of the word AROUND as a play on the shape round - but there you go - then in 2004 for some reason the two were connected.

[Look Listen Vibrate SMiLE]

Thanks for the criticism - I probably went a bit too far - "over-reached".

Thanks also for the detail in relation to both the AGD/VDP thing and also the quote from the Priess book.

Seriously though, if you mentioned SMiLE then said to someone about a track "[It] was going to be four songs—in four short pieces—combined together, but we never finished that one." - that's screaming out as a description of what we do know about the Elements is it not?

My logic is this:
- you've got someone saying that there is only one track of the twelve that involves cross-fading from one piece to another.;
- none of the other 11 can then cross-fade (although as you say they can be modular, which almost all of Smile was - even Surf's Up);
- we know multiple titles were used by Brian for the SMiLE tracks, sometimes interchangeably - eg. "Cabinessence" "Who Ran The Iron-Horse" "Grand Coulee Dam"
- if you have a piece which is described as being a four-parter - this is something that obviously stands out about the song - it is reasonable, but not certain, that the two descriptions are of the same thing, but it has another name;
- then both cannot form part of the same album, unless they are one and the same track - the VDP quote excludes that possibility - not absolutely, but with a reasonable degree of likelihood.

The Barnyard Suite was referenced in an article from around 1972 (can't remember the exact details) - when the Beach Boys were scheduled to deliver the tapes to Warners. The article is reproduced in Look Listen Vibrate SMiLE from memory. There may or may not be a separate reference to "Elements", I'll have to check that when I get the book in front of me.

[The Elements]

If we don't know, we could always speculate. I'm willing to speculate and to come out with theories that, for some, go against the very narrative of SMiLE folklore, but are, by definition valid, since SMiLE is a very uncertain chapter in Beach Boys history. Let's get started:

- In 1978(?), Brian Wilson was asked what the missing "Air" section of The Elements was. He replied that they attempted a piano instrumental in 66/67 to be the "Air" piece.

- "All Day" is a piano instrumental.

I also suspect the lyrics to "Whistle In" were the former lyrics to "All Day" since:

"Remember the day (Day = Sun = Fire)

Remember the night (Night = Moon = Water)

All day long (the title of the "instrumental")"

It's lesson is for us to remember and include The Elements in our daily lives, as a part of us, and to be careful when treating our planet.

I don't believe this theory, this is just a brian-puke I had to write down...

You could be onto something there - just quoting and adding a link to a previous post I made - a while back! I didn't get a positive reaction, but logic will turn people around to this view in time.

You hadn't read my post perchance?

I am utterly convinced that the Elements was more complete than people think.

Brian said Air was a piano piece. That's Dada - no question in my mind - especially when you hear the Dada with whistling sound that circulated as "Air Dada". Water is "water chant". Fire is obvious. Earth would have to be Barnyard, given that the Elements Suite was later referred to as the "Barnyard Suite".

I'm not saying it's not guesswork to some extent, but I believe that the water lyrics came to Dada after the abandonment  of SMiLE.

As to the correct order "Fire" is listed as part one. If you take the order which old philosophy tells us the elements arise, I think it would be fire then air, then water, then earth.

Another thing, which I thought I'd posted, but may not have - I believe Van Dyke has also said that SMiLE as conceived was to have one track where different titles were linked, that is, no other tracks other than the Elements would be linked to one another [in what we might call these days a gapless album], just The Elements, so if that's true the Barnyard Suite must be The Elements, if there was any doubt about that point.

[We Gotta Groove]

I'm hoping Carry Me Home will be released in 2023 as a copyright extension

There's gotta be some worthy Love You era outtakes looking for a 2027 release! - We Gotta Groove, Clangin', Hey There Momma . . . .

. . . the list goes on . . . maybe someone could compile a list of possible / probable inclusions for next 45 years -  can't wait 'til 2062 so I can hear (assuming I still have my hearing, if I'm indeed still alive) that 2012 version of She Believes In Love Again!

This all assumes that the copyright laws don't change again!

Anyways, the best thing we can do is buy these sets so that there is a good incentive for the company to keep releasing them.

Ok, I re-read this thread, and now I have a different understanding...

In the original post, the poster was referring to the version of the gospel song "Good News" on what is referred to as the "Garage Tapes" or "Audree's Garage Tapes." There is a female voice that is singing on that circa 1960 Wilson family tape, and the poster was wondering who that might be.  Audree Wilson?  Maureen Love?  A neighbor or other relative?

Next, fast-forward to 1967, where paperwork shows a recording of a song called "Good News" at Brian's house in the middle of the Smiley Smile sessions.  Has anyone ever heard this one?

And somehow we got to "Amy," aka Amy Holland, wife of Michael McDonald, who was believed to have auditioned for Brother Records by singing over the track to "Let the Wind Blow."  If she was born in 1953 as her bio states, and was 15 or 16 when she made her way from New York to California and auditioned for Brother Records, that would date that recording to 1968-69.  Andrew and Peter, are you saying that there are other songs by "Amy" in the vault?

Lee

I acknowledge in retrospect my original post was less than well worded.

Well done Lee - you actually read my post and interpreted it - what a novelty! I must say I assumed the voice on the "Garage Tapes" was Maureen Love. But that was just a guess.

As to how Amy came into it - I'm not quite sure.

I am guessing there is no real suggestion that "Amy" sang on the Smiley Smile outtake.

Also guessing the 1960 Garage Tape does not contain a person called Amy, and certainly not a 7 year old Amy Holland.

This is how knowledge develops...the Amy mentioned above is a young Amy Holland. I would sure like to see if the Good News in the Brother Archive is the Kingston Trio song.

thanks for your support Peter.

A song by this title popped up with some others recorded around 1960.

Any chance this same song (by the Kingston Trio originally) has anything at all to do with the Smiley Smile outtake of the same title?

We know Al is a huge Kingston Trio fan.

Also, who is the female voice on that 1960ish recording? Any ideas?

In 13 months time these should be ripe for release under the copyright extension release program!!

Still waiting for a digital release of Brian's (mono) mix of the Concert album!

 

"Mother May" was probably about May Rovell, eh?

1. it's Mae (or was).

2. it's "mother, may..." as in "can I ?".  

Stumbled across this wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_May_I%3F

Finally I understand the baby steps reference!!
 

[Concert]

Yep - from my lips to Gods ears and back to my hard disk!!

The distinction I was at pains to draw was between Brian's mono mix and some lazy fold-down. And yes, analog release had taken place. Note the difference in timing of the mono and stereo Merry Christmas Baby and compare to the previous CD ie. fold-down versions.

So now Concert holds the unhappy trophy of being the last Brian mono mix LP to remain unreleased digitally! Hopefully it won't be long.

I like your stereo mix of Smile (don't care for mono mixes). Nice job! I'm hearing some things I haven't heard elsewhere, so that's pretty cool. Your Wind Chimes (laughter at the end) and CIFOTM vocal fly-ins stood out for me. Not too keen on He Gives Speeches being where it is or the fade at the end of Fire (you should just let the drums end it). Thanks a lot for sharing this with us and for for including OMP.

I am utterly convinced that the Elements was more complete than people think.

Brian said Air was a piano piece. That's Dada - no question in my mind - especially when you hear the Dada with whistling sound that circulated as "Air Dada". Water is "water chant". Fire is obvious. Earth would have to be Barnyard, given that the Elements Suite was later referred to as the "Barnyard Suite".

I'm not saying it's not guesswork to some extent, but I believe that the water lyrics came to Dada after the abandonment  of SMiLE.

As to the correct order "Fire" is listed as part one. If you take the order which old philosophy tells us the elements arise, I think it would be fire then air, then water, then earth.

[Brian's]

Basically the entire Capitol Records catalog is on HDTracks now.  Not sure if I'm going to shell out even more $$ for albums I own a dozen times over in a format that won't play on my iPod unless I compress them down (which negates the purpose of downloading them in the first place). 

Still waiting on a proper digital release of Brian's mono mix of the Christmas Album and the Concert album.

Correct me if I'm mistaken in believing that these mixes have never seen CD or other digital official release.

I think the waves remix is for Sumahama, not Wipeout

Quite seriously, the 12inch single of Wipe Out has 2 official release mixes of WipeOut, both differ from the LP ver - Wave One and Wave Two. That is the source of the Dumb Angel Rarities tracks.

There is also another official, although, possibly not "sanctioned" mix available on a comp CD called "12 and 12" or something like that (not to be confused with anything to do with Jeff
Foskett) - the BW vocals are more prominent.! I'm serious.

What are the chances that the new album track is derived from this Andy Paley sessions song, given the lyrics to the latter?

Anyone have the inside skinny on this?

Love the Airplane fade - that song becomes almost like a medley of 2 songs! That's a long fade.

BTW, to me Dennis was paying a lot of attention to these, some his late 70s fades are amazing too.

Like all the subliminal, subsonic secret message stuff that hypnotized us into our Beach Boys addiction in the first place? 

I wouldn't quite go that far. But if washing your hands a hundred times a day is a condition, what is shelling out for the Mono LP Christmas album, when you already own it on CD with bonus tracks, without bonus tracks, remastered, Ultimate Christmas, Christmas with The Beach Boys, Christmas Harmonies, because none of them were genuine mono BW mixes.??