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101  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 11:16:54 PM
We'll always remember this day... the day Al Jardine laughed. The cities will run red with blood. Children will cry out in the dark for Kokomo.

But there will be no Kokomo my friend, only the black unholy laugh of Alan Charles "Al" Jardine. Suffocating you in a sensible shirt. Strangling your throat into contortions of Kingston Trio numbers. Prepare for the plague and the constant screaming and shrieky screeching of the obnoxious crows. Clutch the your breast your postcards from California.

Mike response by Friday? Sunday?



If he doesn't respond he's a coward
102  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 11:04:57 PM

It's an interview that will live on in Beach Boys history! Explosive is underselling it. Al threw the gauntlet down.

Al has given much more explosive interviews in the past. Smiley

He seems to be laughing throughout this one and is none too serious.

This is deathly serious friend, I'll see you at the riots
103  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 11:03:14 PM
I guarantee when this thing happens there will Brighton Beach style riots that accompany it between the fans.
104  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 10:33:53 PM
This is wartime now.
105  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 10:33:31 PM
I don't consider the interview explosive, not even provocative.  Al is expressing feelings that are fairly well known to people that follow the group, although I don't know about the second album. 

Mike Love has a band that is like a well oiled machine, and the families that depend financially on the band for their jobs.  He's an old guy and fairly set in his ways, and undoubtedly didn't like dealing with Brian and Co.  I would have liked to see the band stay together but keeping that much ego and lingering resentment together for more than a year, with all the competing economic interests, is a tall order.

If Al and Brian want to prove themselves superior, release an incredible album that is a hit with the critics and fans. 

This.

It's an interview that will live on in Beach Boys history! Explosive is underselling it. Al threw the gauntlet down.
106  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 06:28:17 PM
Watch the kidney punches fellas
107  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 06:16:11 PM
I think it's obvious what the stakes should be. The winning group earns the right to use the BB name in perpetuity.
108  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 06:10:20 PM
It'd be an almost brilliant way to twist this negativity and bad press into fun, $$$, and make the competition a bit friendlier. Why the hell not? Mike could book everybody at the Super-8 Motel, Brian could pay for a fleet of flying buses with chocolate chip cookie dough dispensers. Shake hands like gentlemen, end by sharing the stage on Fun, Fun, Fun.

Carl Wilson Foundation? Think about it. Even if you need fencing masks for negotiations.

I say there's no better premiere venue for this historic showdown than SeaWorld!
OSD, Ron, Wirestone, AGD, and ghost will be the judges for the battle of the bands.

Well, I think some of us in that group would actually get along pretty well. I'm rather fond of AGD and Ron, and OSD doesn't grate on my nerves the way he does on others. Ghost ... well, the problem would be getting him to show up.

Right here sweetheart
109  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 05:34:39 PM
I'm very fortunate and grateful the 50 year reunion tour and album release occurred Smiley The memories and excrement will last forever.

They're old, what do you expect
110  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 03:35:35 PM
Them's fightin' words.
111  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 03:05:38 PM
they can each have a choice of one hologram of Carl and Dennis each to choose from as well...

 LOL
112  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 02:34:51 PM
It's almost as if there's only one possible way to settle this score once and for all...

hmmmm
113  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 01:24:47 PM
AGD would be rocking out in the first row, don't let him tell you otherwise.
114  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 01:18:31 PM
Mike's group would focus on surf and car songs and the early hits, Brian's on deep cuts. "Battle of The Beach Boys: Carl & The Passions V. The Pendletones"
115  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 01:01:00 PM
Anyone who says they wouldn't go to this hypothetical showdown is a liar
116  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 12:27:08 PM
Seriously they need to do this!
117  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jardine challenges Love to battle of the bands in explosive interview... on: June 25, 2013, 12:12:59 PM
This is a really inspired idea from Al. It would be so amazing to have a battle of the bands contest between the two groups.
118  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 24, 2013, 03:42:49 PM
I really dislike overreaching biopics, biopics that try to cram too long a period into a single film and struggle to maintain any semblance of continuity by means of increasingly crappy makeup jobs.

Lawrence of Arabia really works because it doesn't overextend in hopelessly trying to portray every significant event of his life from cradle to grave. I just hate movies that do that. Everything is cramped and disconnected, months and even years pass between scenes with little indication to the viewer as to how much time is supposed to have gone by besides some subtle, neigh imperceptible makeup tweaks. Even good biopics that go this route suffer enormously from biting off much more than they can chew, like Gandhi. As good of a film as Gandhi is, it really lacks an internal sense of coherency, the first time I saw it I really didn't understand that many of the early scenes were still supposed to be in South Africa.

I think the trick is, as shown by Lawrence of Arabia, is to make a single, digestible stretch of time symbolic of the entire life of the individual. The problem tends to be that some viewers are very literal, and frankly small minded, and get upset if every important event of the individual's experiences isn't portrayed in turn. That's ultimately why I have little faith in a Brian Wilson biopic that tries to overdiversify.

If you just made a movie about the Smile period, or the mid-70s, or the first or second Landy eras, if you focused exclusively on one of those periods you'd have some contingent of fans showing up to express dissatisfaction *this* event wasn't given any screen time, or that the events of *that* period weren't depicted. To be honest, I would be exceedingly happy with any of the above films, and I would rather have a single good movie focusing on just one of the periods than one watered down bad one that tried too hard to accommodate everything. To do otherwise is putting too much emphasis on the parts and not enough on the whole.
119  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 24, 2013, 12:54:15 PM
Forever is one of the most overrated songs in the entire BB canon. It's a nice enough song, but of the Sunflower tracks, Slip On Through is the superior Dennis song with Forever ranking nearer Our Sweet Love or Tears In The Morning (I like both of those songs though admittedly).
That's your opinion. I think it's not just one of Dennis' best songs, but one of the best songs The Beach Boys ever recorded.
Lady is a total dud.
Again, that's your opinion. I think it's a brilliant song.

It goes without saying it's my opinion...I mean, need I point to the title of the thread here? I know a lot of people will definitely disagree with me here, but I feel like there are probably other fans out there who are as lukewarm on Forever as I am but rarely speak up about it because of the canonical status granted it.
120  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 24, 2013, 12:51:27 PM
I remember reading a theory on here that Brian canned Smile because he thought it was garbage.

I think that's not very far fetched

I think he began to tell himself and convince himself that it was garbage. I don't think he wanted to think that way, but that he simply had to in order to escape the gravitational pull the project had come to exert upon him.
121  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 24, 2013, 12:21:11 PM
Dennis: Talented singer, songwriter and producer. Powerful drummer and competent piano player. Co-wrote You Are So Beautiful, a pop classic. Made a highly acclaimed solo album. Wrote Forever, Little Bird, Lady, River Song, Baby Blue. Starred in an excellent movie.

Forever is one of the most overrated songs in the entire BB canon. It's a nice enough song, but of the Sunflower tracks, Slip On Through is the superior Dennis song with Forever ranking nearer Our Sweet Love or Tears In The Morning (I like both of those songs though admittedly).

Little Bird is one of my favorite BB tracks on the other hand, but though Dennis may have written it, I can't help but get the impression that Brian lent more than a helping hand on the arrangement and production, which is really what makes the whole thing work as well as it does.

Lady is a total dud.

I mean, I agree Dennis is a wonderfully talented part of the band, but I don't think you're making the most convincing case.
122  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 24, 2013, 10:32:26 AM
I think, on the most basic level, Brian was simply overwhelmed by all the possibilities his imagination was suggesting to him in that period. He had more ideas than hours in the day to record them. Further complicating things were all the resources he had at his disposal. He had carte blanche to do whatever he wanted, seemingly unlimited funds, the latest and greatest equipment and the newest and coolest instruments on the market, half a dozen legendary studios to record at, and an army of professional musicians at his beck and call every hour of every day.

There's a misconception that the artist begins with nothing, with a blank slate or blank canvas, and from there creates *something*. That he moves from zero to infinity in his artistic process. That's really not the case though. The artist begins with an infinite number of possibilities, and from there he has to limit himself down to one. That self-limitation is incredibly difficult though when you're an ambitious young artist hitting your peak, you naturally want to include everything and somehow capture that whole infinity your intuiting. It's here I think Brian went off the rails, and why he moved to the home studio. He had too many options. Too many colors to paint with. The home studio was an artificial self constraint he imposed upon himself simply to remove the temptations he was being confronted with.

In a sense it was Brian's fault Smile wasn't finished. It's hard to say where precisely he went wrong, or what he might have done to overcome the issues he was facing though. Part of the problem I think stemmed from a lack of emotional self-awareness, but another part was likely also a lack of technical ability. Brian was (and perhaps still is) a very gifted musician, but unlike composers of the 19th century, he never received the sort of formal training one requires for high level artistic mastery. There was essentially only so much he could learn on his own and through experience, and in the smile period he began to hit a brick wall in terms of the amount of articulation his technical skill-sets allowed at that degree of refinement he had managed to bring them to.

However, I think it was the pressure put on him by Mike and the rest of the group that really drove these underlying frustrations home. They were simmering in the pot, and it was the heat they added that really brought the whole situation to a boil. It's useless to say who truly was at fault. Whether or not anyone interfered with him or pressured him I believe is irrelevant, Brian would not have been able to complete Smile regardless. Mike and the other band members may have brought things to head more quickly than they otherwise would have been certainly, but if it hadn't of been them, it would have only been something else that eventually catalysed Brian's abandonment of the project. To finish Smile it would have taken greater powers than Brian actually possessed, an emotional strength that only Brian Wilson was in any position to ultimately gift. It would have taken a recognition of his own limitations and weaknesses. What was needed, ultimately, was the renunciation of all those unfulfillable aspirations he had to realize the infinite for the sake of realizing the finite and definite artwork he was actually capable of, and that sort of sacrifice was simply beyond him both intellectually and emotionally.
123  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 23, 2013, 06:53:35 PM
Your unpopular opinion displeases Becker
124  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unpopular Beach Boys opinions on: June 23, 2013, 06:42:34 PM
OK, I'm going for it:

I absolutely love Still Cruisin' and Kokomo.  Before they came out, I had a slight knowledge of The Beach Boys and their music (my mom was, and still is a huge fan and had introduced me to some of the early hits), but once Kokomo came out, I fell in love with them.  Still Crusin' was the first Beach Boys album I owned, therefore I still have a soft spot for it, 25+ years later.  I know it's dated, and not the best music in the world...but I was a 9 year old girl when it first came out, and 9 year old girls have never been the best judge of good music.

Still Crusin is totally irresistible.

 Thud
125  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: MiC up for order on Amazon, August release on: June 23, 2013, 03:33:31 AM
Guys, i'm feeling pretty pleased with myself. I just realized Becker is really Fishmonk who is really Ghost. What this has to do with John Q. Public or Dorian Gray or John Quincy Adams surfing in the Potomac, and whether any of them would like the Beach Boys, i still haven't figured out.  

Is this true Becker, were you Ghost?

I thought Heartical Don was Ghost

Naw, monicker just has his panties in a twist about something or other.

Didn't think so, but see you were Fishmonk. Had wondered where you'd gone. My views may run counter to yours with the boxed set, but I'm in total agreement with you that you can post what the hell you like about it. Phil also. Have never got my head round how someone who posted horrific pictures of murdered children was allowed to continue posting here, and someone whose only crime was a pessimistic outlook is still banned.

I have nothing against anyone on here (apart from the dead children guy), and I normally find the people who think differently to me are the most enlightening, (on many levels.)

It just gets really silly here sometimes.
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