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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set
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on: November 11, 2022, 06:40:26 AM
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An a capella mix of All This Is That just hit Spotify here in Australia (I expect you'll have to wait until after midnight wherever you happen to be).
Outstanding, pure vocal perfection. Mike, Al and Carl blending their voices sounds heavenly here. Surely this box set will be mind blowing.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brian’s tour Corona Capital in Mexico 2022
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on: September 15, 2022, 01:05:00 PM
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Hi, in light of the recent cancellation of Brian’s tour I wanted to ask if anyone knows about a tentative resume of dates. I bought a ticket to see Brian next November but I am aware that there are no official info about when he and the band will be ready to continue (or if ever the tour will be resumed). There is no information from the festival organizers about Brian’s presence. I won’t be interested in attending if Brian is not present so I’m considering to ask for a refund if that’s the case.
Does anyone around here have some information about it? Or whom should I contact to know?
Thank you in advance!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Favorite Mike Leads, Bass Vocals and Songwriting Credits?
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on: March 20, 2021, 10:56:39 PM
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Lead vocals: Little Honda, I get around, California Girls, Here Today, All I wanna do, Big Sur (4/4), Airplane. Bass parts: Their hearts were full of Spring; Fun, fun, fun; Here comes the night, breakaway, funky pretty. Lyrics: Good Vibrations, The warmth of the sun, I’m waiting for the day, All this is that.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread
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on: August 08, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
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I’ve seen a LOT of the PS shows since 2016 and to be honest, the talk-singing doesn’t bother me that much, but it’s because I’m actually just really grateful that I’m getting to see Brian and the band at all. The reality is that singing is quite physically demanding - as HeyJude alluded to, it’s not just about hitting the notes, it’s also about timing and cadence and getting the words out in the right way. It demands a lot of the singer both physically and mentally, but especially physically. The reality is that at age 77, the voice does start to go. Brian’s range is a lot more limited, he sounds like he’s struggling for breath at times, and he sounds like he’s trying to get all the words out in one go. The last time I saw Brian was November 2018 and he actually struck me as someone who seemed like he was in pain, based on his vocals. His singing was not that of a relaxed, comfortable person (I mean physically, not emotionally). Mike’s singing is also pretty bad these days, as is Bruce’s. They struggle to sing the way they used to, and quite frankly it’s normal for people at that age. It’s just the physical reality. Al is the exception; I don’t know what he’s done to preserve his voice but long may it continue. Having said all that, I’ll repeat what I said at the beginning. I don’t mind hearing Brian do the talk-singing thing, and I’ll go see him when given the opportunity to do so. There’s still very few things I’d rather do than go see a Brian Wilson concert I completely agree with HeyJude’s suggestion to give more of the leads to other band members. You’ve got these amazing singers in Al, Blondie, Matt, etc..., so use them to their fullest and let Brian sing when he wants to. I can relate to your experience. I had the chance to see Brian and his wonderful band around 2016 in his unexpected visit to Acapulco for the Tropico festival, where they would be performing Pet Sounds! Of course, as a geeky fan I was ecstatic, actually I was so thrilled to see him live that I cried a little when Pet Sounds started. I assisted to the gig with a small group of friends who like the beach boys but are not die hard fans really (to be honest, the beach boys are not that popular here in México) but their reactions when the concert was over were mixed at best. Some of them were really dissapointed at the vocal lead performances, that would include Blondie who did a very rough version of sail on sailor and wild honey, but especially some of the aforementioned friends were baffled with Brian's vocal performance. That made me a bit uncomfortable and I kinda felt a bit offended, but later I think I got their point. For me as a huge fan who is in the know that Brian's supreme voice has been gone for decades doesn't matter if he didn't hit the notes or that for large moments of the show he looks uneasy or disengaged; for me to see the Totemic figure of a mastermind I revere was an unbeliavable memory, but for the average public in that festival in particular was somewhat jarring or even dissapointing.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys
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on: February 12, 2019, 11:07:16 PM
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OK, "stole" was a strong word, but I think he was trying to copying the overall vibe and feeling of YSBIM, at least subconsciously, and a lot of the patterns on the song are similar. Obviously I don't think Paul would be so blatant as to directly make his own imitation of it, but it seems to me he was maybe trying to make his own "impression" of it. I had read Paul wrote HTAE while waiting for John to wake up one day while he was hanging out beside the pool at John's house, sometime shortly after Pet Sounds had come out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here,_There_and_EverywhereMcCartney began writing "Here, There and Everywhere" at Lennon's house in Weybridge, in early June Pet Sounds came out in mid-May, of course. Plenty of time for Paul to give the album several listens. Anyway, they both have introductions which, while different, could be said to be similar. But after that, line by line here's where I see the similarities ... Part 1:Paul: Here, making each day of the year -------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian: I know perfectly well I'm not where I should be Brian: I've been very aware you've been patient with me Here, Brian repeats the melody twice while Paul does it just once, but notice both melodies generally ascend up, "peak" in the middle of the verse and then descend back down, like a mountain. That's the main part I think is very similar. Next .... Part 2:Paul: Changing my life with the wave of her hand || nobody can, deny that there's something there --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian: Every time we break up you bring back your love to me || and after all I've done to you how can it be? In both cases here we have a much longer melodic line (that is actually 2 lines strung together). The first half of this (the part before my "||") the melody "peaks" on the 3rd word in both songs ("life"/"we"). In both songs after the "||" we have a melody that sort-of asks for a "resolution" ... Now, the parts immediately after that do differ. Brain does a refrain ("You still believe in me!") while Paul goes right into the verse again. Then both songs repeat the above. I also think the "I wanna cry!" is sort-of what like Paul used as a bridge ("I want her everywhere ..."). I'm not sure what you'd call the "I wanna cry" on the BB song but it's sort-of like a bridge anyway, maybe a bridge before the coda. These two parts are definitely different. Imagine that Paul took Brian's first two lines, got rid of one of them, took the "I wanna cry!" and made it into a regular bridge (which is really almost like a chorus), changed the melody a bit, and - bingo! - you've got a new song. Again, "stole" was probably a strong word. I don't even think he was probably consciously stealing/copying anything, I'm guessing it was more subconscious, more along the lines of George and "He's So Fine." I once wrote a song that, when I played it to somebody, they told me, "That sounds like a Beatles song." I was never trying to copy anything, it was just a tune that came to me. But when they pointed that out to me, I realized, yeah, it sounded like a Beatles song (particularly Yellow Submarine). Sometimes you "copy" things without consciously intending to copy anything. IMO this is a case of that. I would agree. Truthfully I think they inspired each other Ok. Still, as others have already mentioned, the only sort of ascertainable resemblance is in the intro of HT&E. "To lead a better life" starts in the fith grade of the main key (and first chord ) using the notes of the second inversion of G chord for that phrase. "I need my love to be here" uses again the second inversion of the corresponding chord (Bb) YSBIM starts the verses with the fifth grade ( F# in this case, the song main key is B) and uses the second inversion of B chord too, though with notes out the major chord to resolve the melody. The duration of notes in the melody of each of the verses you quote are different too. YSBIM basically being quarters notes mainly (I know perfectly well...) while Paul uses long notes, whole notes even (Here...year...) Finally, the chord progressions of each song are very very different: In the verses, HT&E uses the form: I, ii, iii, IV On the other hand, YSBIM uses a two chord pattern in the verses (B and E and then E ,A ) with an obstinato three note bass, that gives the song that cool hypnotic feel I think. So the "similarities" if you rummagee a bit so to say, can be found between the intro of one song and the verses of the other, especifically in the selection of a form of chord to develope a melody. Again, the mutual inspiration and respect for each other is undeniable, we're talking about some of the most talented and competitive songwriters of all time! Anyway, I guess sometimes our brains and ears just makes us hear whatever we convince ourselves to hear. By the way, I find way more similar melody lines between Til I die and You never give me your money, or Where is she? and She's leaving home for that matter. Thanks for the great thread!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys
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on: February 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
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OK, "stole" was a strong word, but I think he was trying to copying the overall vibe and feeling of YSBIM, at least subconsciously, and a lot of the patterns on the song are similar. Obviously I don't think Paul would be so blatant as to directly make his own imitation of it, but it seems to me he was maybe trying to make his own "impression" of it. I had read Paul wrote HTAE while waiting for John to wake up one day while he was hanging out beside the pool at John's house, sometime shortly after Pet Sounds had come out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here,_There_and_EverywhereMcCartney began writing "Here, There and Everywhere" at Lennon's house in Weybridge, in early June Pet Sounds came out in mid-May, of course. Plenty of time for Paul to give the album several listens. Anyway, they both have introductions which, while different, could be said to be similar. But after that, line by line here's where I see the similarities ... Part 1:Paul: Here, making each day of the year -------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian: I know perfectly well I'm not where I should be Brian: I've been very aware you've been patient with me Here, Brian repeats the melody twice while Paul does it just once, but notice both melodies generally ascend up, "peak" in the middle of the verse and then descend back down, like a mountain. That's the main part I think is very similar. Next .... Part 2:Paul: Changing my life with the wave of her hand || nobody can, deny that there's something there --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian: Every time we break up you bring back your love to me || and after all I've done to you how can it be? In both cases here we have a much longer melodic line (that is actually 2 lines strung together). The first half of this (the part before my "||") the melody "peaks" on the 3rd word in both songs ("life"/"we"). In both songs after the "||" we have a melody that sort-of asks for a "resolution" ... Now, the parts immediately after that do differ. Brain does a refrain ("You still believe in me!") while Paul goes right into the verse again. Then both songs repeat the above. I also think the "I wanna cry!" is sort-of what like Paul used as a bridge ("I want her everywhere ..."). I'm not sure what you'd call the "I wanna cry" on the BB song but it's sort-of like a bridge anyway, maybe a bridge before the coda. These two parts are definitely different. Imagine that Paul took Brian's first two lines, got rid of one of them, took the "I wanna cry!" and made it into a regular bridge (which is really almost like a chorus), changed the melody a bit, and - bingo! - you've got a new song. Again, "stole" was probably a strong word. I don't even think he was probably consciously stealing/copying anything, I'm guessing it was more subconscious, more along the lines of George and "He's So Fine." I once wrote a song that, when I played it to somebody, they told me, "That sounds like a Beatles song." I was never trying to copy anything, it was just a tune that came to me. But when they pointed that out to me, I realized, yeah, it sounded like a Beatles song (particularly Yellow Submarine). Sometimes you "copy" things without consciously intending to copy anything. IMO this is a case of that. I would agree. Truthfully I think they inspired each other Ok. Still, as others have already mentioned, the only sort of ascertainable resemblance is in the intro of HT&E. "To lead a better life" starts with the fith grade of the main key (and first chord ) using the notes of the second inversion of G chord for that phrase. "I need my love to be here" uses again the second inversion of the corresponding chord (Bb) YSBIM starts the verses with the fifth grade ( F# in this case, the song main key is B) and uses the second inversion of B chord too, though with notes out the major chord to resolve the melody. The duration of notes in the melody of each of the verses you quote song are different too. YSBIM basically being quarter notes mainly (I know perfectly well...) while Paul uses long notes, whole notes even (Here...year...) Finally, the chord progressions of each song are very very different: In the verses, HT&E uses the form: I, ii, iii, IV On the other hand, YSBIM uses a two chord pattern in the verses (B and E and then E ,A ) with an obstinato three note bass, that gives the song that cool hypnotic feel I think. So the "similarities" if you rummage a bit so to say, can be found between the intro of one song and the verses of the other, especifically in the selection of a form of chord to develope a melody. Again, the mutual inspiration and respect for each other is undeniable, after all we're talking about some of the most talented an competitive songwriters of all time! Anyway, I guess sometimes our brains and ears just makes us hear whatever we convince ourselves to hear. By the way, I find way more similar melody lines between Til I die and You never give me your money, or Where is she? and She's leaving home for that matter. Thanks for the great thread!
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys
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on: February 11, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
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Related, I've become convinced McCartney stole - consciously or subconsciously - Here There and Everywhere from You Still Believe in Me. The songs are way too similar, and the BB song came out just as the Beatles were recording Revolver.
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how do you find these two songs similar (besides that both are ballads) since the chord progressions are quite different and the melodic lines just in some few intervals coincide. Not sayin' that Paul could have have been inspired by the overall mood of Pet Sounds (in fact he have declared so I think). But I don't hear any direct resemblance between those particular songs.
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