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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sail On Sailor box set on: November 11, 2022, 06:40:26 AM
An a capella mix of All This Is That just hit Spotify here in Australia (I expect you'll have to wait until after midnight wherever you happen to be).

Outstanding, pure vocal perfection. Mike, Al and Carl blending their voices sounds heavenly here. Surely this box set will be mind blowing.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Brianís tour Corona Capital in Mexico 2022 on: September 15, 2022, 01:05:00 PM
Hi, in light of the recent cancellation of Brianís tour I wanted to ask if anyone knows about a tentative resume of dates.
I bought a ticket to see Brian next November but I am aware that there are no official info about when he and the band will be ready to continue (or if ever the tour will be resumed).
There is no information from the festival organizers about Brianís presence. I wonít be interested in attending if Brian is not present so Iím considering to ask for a refund if thatís the case.

Does anyone around here have some information about it?
Or whom should I contact to know?

Thank you in advance!
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 02, 2022, 09:35:46 AM
So it is a fact that Brian's participation in the Corona Capital festival in Mexico City is cancelled?

It's a shame, personally I bought a ticket just to hear Brian and his band. I guess I will have to ask for a refund if Brian's cancellation is confirmed.
Of course, if it is for his well being so be it, letís hope he could overcome his major health struggles.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: June 10, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
Added a new date in November in Mexico. The gaps in the various tour schedules for any substantive reunion activities is closing quickly.

This are great news for us Mexican fans, Brian visited Acapulco when he played in Trůpico festival 6 years ago.
I hope to see him (and Al, Blondie and the band) for the second time, I couldnít be happier!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Burgers, Chili Dogs, and Recording Studios: LA Memories with Brian Wilson on: April 03, 2022, 09:36:22 AM
Very enjoyable read!
A couple of funny things that caught my attention:
1. Al mentions that the Wilsons have to switch places at a restaurant because Murray and Brian were lefthanded!! Is that factual?
2. Brian telling a story about going out to dinner with Phil Spector and his curious comment about he and Phil ďhaving a romanceĒ (and Darian immediately asking ď a musical romance?Ē😄
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Welcome Back! on: January 14, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
Great, thank you very much for the effort to maintain this wonderful site alive! Smiley
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
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8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2021, 06:15:35 PM
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9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2021, 06:14:32 PM
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10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 05, 2021, 06:13:56 PM
Magic Transistor Radio: So Tough/Holland Sessions
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The evolution of the Beach Boys as backing vocalists (As heard on Feel Flows) on: September 03, 2021, 12:48:04 PM
Fascinating thread. For me the big highlight of this set are the vocal excerpts. I always love to hear those busy vocal rounds, so the opportunity to listen the isolated vocal tracks is insanely cool. Marcella, This whole world, Add some music etc, whoa, just incredible!
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Acapulco Girls on: July 23, 2021, 08:44:08 AM
I was aware that in the early nineties, The Beach Boys minus Brian visited Mťxico, I even remember seeing them on the tv playing in some cheap variety shows. But I did not remember this horrible Mariachi crossover called Acapulco Girls (just California Girls with even more cheesy lyrics). Man thatís sad!🤦🏻

https://youtu.be/0IkfZEPOvKM
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boyís Favorites on: May 11, 2021, 07:32:10 AM
Brian has singled out California Girls on several occasions. In The Beach Boys Concert album, Carl mentions Caroline No as one of his favorites Brianís tunes.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your Favorite Mike Leads, Bass Vocals and Songwriting Credits? on: March 20, 2021, 10:56:39 PM
Lead vocals: Little Honda, I get around, California Girls, Here Today, All I wanna do, Big Sur (4/4), Airplane.
Bass parts: Their hearts were full of Spring; Fun, fun, fun; Here comes the night, breakaway, funky pretty.
Lyrics: Good Vibrations, The warmth of the sun, Iím waiting for the day, All this is that.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: November 22, 2020, 08:23:37 PM
This is great news, the best moment of this dark 11 months so far. Stuff like the background vocal arrangement of This Whole World, Feel Flows or Long promised road are otherworldly, really amazing. Smiley :
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Some Pet Sounds covers on: October 26, 2020, 08:57:14 AM
Hi, I just added Sloop John B to my Pet Sounds covers. Here it is. Thanks.

https://youtu.be/AvehjycW5B8
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: Some Pet Sounds covers on: September 11, 2020, 08:51:52 PM
Hi, just wanted to share If I may, some Pet Sounds cover I recorded recently with a Zoom R8 machine (along with a Roland Juno Gi Synth)
🙂
These are:

Iím waiting for the day
https://youtu.be/yFbCNU11HXc

God Only Knows
https://youtu.be/YlNd6K3S84Y

Here Today
https://youtu.be/gOZ0ALqoyJg

You Still Believe In Me
https://youtu.be/8nJgTB09BLw

Thanks, glad you liked it. And yeah, I think that the Juno Synth sounds have that quirky/cheap quality to it too.
18  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Some Pet Sounds covers on: September 09, 2020, 01:58:23 AM
Hi, just wanted to share If I may, some Pet Sounds cover I recorded recently with a Zoom R8 machine (along with a Roland Juno Gi Synth)
🙂
These are:

Iím waiting for the day
https://youtu.be/yFbCNU11HXc

God Only Knows
https://youtu.be/YlNd6K3S84Y

Here Today
https://youtu.be/gOZ0ALqoyJg

You Still Believe In Me
https://youtu.be/8nJgTB09BLw
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: August 08, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
Iíve seen a LOT of the PS shows since 2016 and to be honest, the talk-singing doesnít bother me that much, but itís because Iím actually just really grateful that Iím getting to see Brian and the band at all.  The reality is that singing is quite physically demanding - as HeyJude alluded to, itís not just about hitting the notes, itís also about timing and cadence and getting the words out in the right way.  It demands a lot of the singer both physically and mentally, but especially physically.  The reality is that at age 77, the voice does start to go.  Brianís range is a lot more limited, he sounds like heís struggling for breath at times, and he sounds like heís trying to get all the words out in one go.  The last time I saw Brian was November 2018 and he actually struck me as someone who seemed like he was in pain, based on his vocals.  His singing was not that of a relaxed, comfortable person (I mean physically, not emotionally).  

Mikeís singing is also pretty bad these days, as is Bruceís.  They struggle to sing the way they used to, and quite frankly itís normal for people at that age.   Itís just the physical reality.  Al is the exception; I donít know what heís done to preserve his voice but long may it continue.  

Having said all that, Iíll repeat what I said at the beginning.  I donít mind hearing Brian do the talk-singing thing, and Iíll go see him when given the opportunity to do so.  Thereís still very few things Iíd rather do than go see a Brian Wilson concert Smiley   I completely agree with HeyJudeís suggestion to give more of the leads to other band members.  Youíve got these amazing singers in Al, Blondie, Matt, etc..., so use them to their fullest and let Brian sing when he wants to.  

I can relate to your experience.
I had the chance to see Brian and his wonderful band around 2016 in his unexpected visit to Acapulco for the Tropico festival, where they would be performing Pet Sounds! Of course, as a geeky fan I was ecstatic, actually I was so thrilled to see him live that I cried a little when Pet Sounds started.
 I assisted to the gig with a small group of friends who like the beach boys but are not die hard fans really (to be honest, the beach boys are not that popular here in Mťxico) but their reactions when the concert was over were mixed at best. Some of them were really dissapointed at the vocal lead performances, that would include Blondie who did a very rough version of sail on sailor and wild honey, but especially some of the aforementioned friends were baffled with Brian's vocal performance.
That made me a bit uncomfortable and I kinda felt a bit offended, but later I think I got their point. For me as a huge fan who is in the know that Brian's supreme voice has been gone for decades doesn't matter if he didn't hit the notes or that for large moments of the show he looks uneasy or disengaged; for me to see the Totemic figure of a mastermind I revere was an unbeliavable memory, but for the average public in that festival in particular was somewhat jarring or even dissapointing.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 12, 2019, 11:07:16 PM
OK, "stole" was a strong word, but I think he was trying to copying the overall vibe and feeling of YSBIM, at least subconsciously, and a lot of the patterns on the song are similar. Obviously I don't think Paul would be so blatant as to directly make his own imitation of it, but it seems to me he was maybe trying to make his own "impression" of it.

I had read Paul wrote HTAE while waiting for John to wake up one day while he was hanging out beside the pool at John's house, sometime shortly after Pet Sounds had come out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here,_There_and_Everywhere
Quote
McCartney began writing "Here, There and Everywhere" at Lennon's house in Weybridge, in early June
Pet Sounds came out in mid-May, of course. Plenty of time for Paul to give the album several listens.

Anyway, they both have introductions which, while different, could be said to be similar. But after that, line by line here's where I see the similarities ...

Part 1:
Paul: Here, making each day of the year
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian: I know perfectly well I'm not where I should be
Brian: I've been very aware you've been patient with me

Here, Brian repeats the melody twice while Paul does it just once, but notice both melodies generally ascend up, "peak" in the middle of the verse and then descend back down, like a mountain. That's the main part I think is very similar. Next ....

Part 2:

Paul: Changing my life with the wave of her hand || nobody can, deny that there's something there
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian: Every time we break up you bring back your love to me || and after all I've done to you how can it be?

In both cases here we have a much longer melodic line (that is actually 2 lines strung together). The first half of this (the part before my "||") the melody "peaks" on the 3rd word in both songs ("life"/"we"). In both songs after the "||" we have a melody that sort-of asks for a "resolution" ...

Now, the parts immediately after that do differ. Brain does a refrain ("You still believe in me!") while Paul goes right into the verse again. Then both songs repeat the above.

I also think the "I wanna cry!" is sort-of what like Paul used as a bridge ("I want her everywhere ..."). I'm not sure what you'd call the "I wanna cry" on the BB song but it's sort-of like a bridge anyway, maybe a bridge before the coda. These two parts are definitely different.

Imagine that Paul took Brian's first two lines, got rid of one of them, took the "I wanna cry!" and made it into a regular bridge (which is really almost like a chorus), changed the melody a bit, and - bingo! - you've got a new song.

Again, "stole" was probably a strong word. I don't even think he was probably consciously stealing/copying anything, I'm guessing it was more subconscious, more along the lines of George and "He's So Fine."

I once wrote a song that, when I played it to somebody, they told me, "That sounds like a Beatles song." I was never trying to copy anything, it was just a tune that came to me. But when they pointed that out to me, I realized, yeah, it sounded like a Beatles song (particularly Yellow Submarine). Sometimes you "copy" things without consciously intending to copy anything. IMO this is a case of that.

I would agree. Truthfully I think they inspired each other

Ok. Still, as others have already mentioned, the only sort of  ascertainable resemblance is in the intro of HT&E.
 "To lead a better life" starts in the fith grade of the main key (and first chord ) using the notes of the second inversion of G chord for that phrase. "I need my love to be here" uses again the second inversion of the corresponding chord (Bb)

YSBIM starts the verses with the fifth grade ( F# in this case, the song main key is B) and uses the second inversion of B chord too, though with notes out the major chord to resolve the melody.

The duration of notes in the melody of each of the verses you quote are different too.
YSBIM basically being quarters notes mainly (I know perfectly well...)  while Paul uses long notes, whole notes even (Here...year...)

Finally, the chord progressions of each song are very very different:
In the verses, HT&E uses the form: I, ii, iii, IV
 
On the other hand, YSBIM uses a two chord pattern in the verses (B and E and then E ,A ) with an obstinato three note bass, that gives the song that cool hypnotic feel I think.
 So the "similarities" if you rummagee a bit so to say, can be found between the intro of one song and the verses of the other, especifically in the selection of a form of chord to develope a melody.
Again, the mutual inspiration and respect for each other is undeniable, we're talking about some of the most talented and competitive songwriters of all time!

Anyway, I guess sometimes our brains and ears just makes us hear whatever we convince ourselves to hear.
By the way, I find way more similar melody lines between Til I die and You never give me your money, or Where is she? and She's leaving home for that matter.
Thanks for the great thread! Smiley


21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 12, 2019, 10:40:21 PM
OK, "stole" was a strong word, but I think he was trying to copying the overall vibe and feeling of YSBIM, at least subconsciously, and a lot of the patterns on the song are similar. Obviously I don't think Paul would be so blatant as to directly make his own imitation of it, but it seems to me he was maybe trying to make his own "impression" of it.

I had read Paul wrote HTAE while waiting for John to wake up one day while he was hanging out beside the pool at John's house, sometime shortly after Pet Sounds had come out
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here,_There_and_Everywhere
Quote
McCartney began writing "Here, There and Everywhere" at Lennon's house in Weybridge, in early June
Pet Sounds came out in mid-May, of course. Plenty of time for Paul to give the album several listens.

Anyway, they both have introductions which, while different, could be said to be similar. But after that, line by line here's where I see the similarities ...

Part 1:
Paul: Here, making each day of the year
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian: I know perfectly well I'm not where I should be
Brian: I've been very aware you've been patient with me

Here, Brian repeats the melody twice while Paul does it just once, but notice both melodies generally ascend up, "peak" in the middle of the verse and then descend back down, like a mountain. That's the main part I think is very similar. Next ....

Part 2:

Paul: Changing my life with the wave of her hand || nobody can, deny that there's something there
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian: Every time we break up you bring back your love to me || and after all I've done to you how can it be?

In both cases here we have a much longer melodic line (that is actually 2 lines strung together). The first half of this (the part before my "||") the melody "peaks" on the 3rd word in both songs ("life"/"we"). In both songs after the "||" we have a melody that sort-of asks for a "resolution" ...

Now, the parts immediately after that do differ. Brain does a refrain ("You still believe in me!") while Paul goes right into the verse again. Then both songs repeat the above.

I also think the "I wanna cry!" is sort-of what like Paul used as a bridge ("I want her everywhere ..."). I'm not sure what you'd call the "I wanna cry" on the BB song but it's sort-of like a bridge anyway, maybe a bridge before the coda. These two parts are definitely different.

Imagine that Paul took Brian's first two lines, got rid of one of them, took the "I wanna cry!" and made it into a regular bridge (which is really almost like a chorus), changed the melody a bit, and - bingo! - you've got a new song.

Again, "stole" was probably a strong word. I don't even think he was probably consciously stealing/copying anything, I'm guessing it was more subconscious, more along the lines of George and "He's So Fine."

I once wrote a song that, when I played it to somebody, they told me, "That sounds like a Beatles song." I was never trying to copy anything, it was just a tune that came to me. But when they pointed that out to me, I realized, yeah, it sounded like a Beatles song (particularly Yellow Submarine). Sometimes you "copy" things without consciously intending to copy anything. IMO this is a case of that.

I would agree. Truthfully I think they inspired each other

Ok. Still, as others have already mentioned, the only sort of  ascertainable resemblance is in the intro of HT&E.
 "To lead a better life" starts with the fith grade of the main key (and first chord ) using the notes of the second inversion of G chord for that phrase. "I need my love to be here" uses again the second inversion of the corresponding chord (Bb)

YSBIM starts the verses with the fifth grade ( F# in this case, the song main key is B) and uses the second inversion of B chord too, though with notes out the major chord to resolve the melody.

The duration of notes in the melody of each of the verses you quote song are different too.
YSBIM basically being quarter notes mainly (I know perfectly well...)  while Paul uses long notes, whole notes even (Here...year...)

Finally, the chord progressions of each song are very very different:
In the verses, HT&E uses the form: I, ii, iii, IV
 
On the other hand, YSBIM uses a two chord pattern in the verses (B and E and then E ,A ) with an obstinato three note bass, that gives the song that cool hypnotic feel I think.

 So the "similarities" if you rummage a bit so to say, can be found between the intro of one song and the verses of the other, especifically in the selection of a form of chord to develope a melody.
Again, the mutual inspiration and respect for each other is undeniable, after all we're talking about some of the most talented an competitive songwriters of all time!

Anyway, I guess sometimes our brains and ears just makes us hear whatever we convince ourselves to hear.
By the way, I find way more similar melody lines between Til I die and You never give me your money, or Where is she? and She's leaving home for that matter.
Thanks for the great thread! Smiley

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beatles Vs. the Beach Boys on: February 11, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
Related, I've become convinced McCartney stole - consciously or subconsciously - Here There and Everywhere from You Still Believe in Me. The songs are way too similar, and the BB song came out just as the Beatles were recording Revolver.

Out of curiosity, I'd like to know how do you find these two songs similar (besides that both are ballads) since the chord progressions are quite different and the melodic lines  just in some few intervals coincide. Not sayin' that Paul could have have been inspired by the overall mood of Pet Sounds (in fact he have declared so I think). But I don't hear any direct resemblance between those particular songs.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / Polls / Re: The Definitive SSMB's Studio Album Ranking - Ranking Process on: September 11, 2018, 11:08:11 AM
1. Pet Sounds
2. Sunflower
3. Summer days and summer nights
4. Surf's up
5. Today
6. 20/20
7. Wild Honey
8. Holland
9. Love You
10. All summer long
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: A few BB covers on: April 23, 2018, 03:52:43 PM
A couple more Smiley

At my window
https://youtu.be/4q9NzdiGNt0

Sail on sailor
https://youtu.be/b7YmilsGKG0
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / A few BB covers on: April 13, 2018, 07:45:34 AM
Hi there!
It's been a while since the last time I logged in, so hello to all the board again, still an amazing place for all of us that love beach boys music so.
I wanted to share if I may, three recent Beach Boys covers I recently recorded with a new little device I get (Zoom R8 Recorder/looper)
The covers are the following:
I'll bet he's nice
https://youtu.be/-Mjx9h5sZcY

Let the wind blow
https://youtu.be/Pjs3a5TTcUI

And
All I wanna do
https://youtu.be/74zF-D6nt5A






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