Surely even Trump's most hardened supporters can see this is a complete cluster f*** of gigantic proportions.

I still would count it as Dennis' best vocal, as I did however many years ago when I first heard it (1999 Eddie? Alan?). His voice is very pure and powerful, and absolutely in it's peak form. Hearing it now just frustrates me that there aren't more from him while that vocal range was at his disposal.

Definitely not his best composition or production, those came later...but it is clearly a shame it didn't see a 1971 release.

I was typing, but Jon sums it up for me.

This set is brilliant!

The Beach Boys- Live at Big Sur, 1970..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18MS1eKAvTQ

This is it!!

Every idiot has an opinion on Trump.

Every Trump is an idiot...
We can go on... Sandbox if you please

“A lot of people live better without having a job, than with having a job. I’ve had it where you have people and you want to hire them, but they can’t take the job for a period of nine months because they’re doing better now than they would with a job.”
“You know what solves it? When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell, and everything is a disaster, then you’ll have riots to go back to where we used to be, when we were great.”

Trump, Fox News interview, 2014.

This is end game stuff here!

Brian

Make The Smiley Smile Message Board Great Again.....
Like America it's already great!

[DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA]

The flipside of this is that you also have someone like Gary Glitter:

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/legal-and-management/6273999/why-convicted-child-sex-offender-gary-glitters-hey

Mike didn't do what Gary did, but Mike is supporting someone who arguably did (or bragged about doing) things that many people consider to be in the ballpark of disgusting as Glitter. Not involving kids, but assault is assault. It's not a good connection to have.

Comparing an off color comment made in (seemingly) private to child molestation is the kind of hysteria I'm referring to.

Just felt this needed to be quoted again. I'm tired of seeing "But Trump brags about sexually assaulting women!!!" comments.



Also, and I approach this subject with a certain degree of caution, as someone made many people go nuts by posting a similar comment in the thread in which Steve Desper had simply made an interesting observation about the similarities between Trump's and the Beach Boys's shows: consider Dennis Wilson.

A man who hung out with Charles Manson, repeatedly made racist comments (see the Gaines book), once snuck into a morgue to push in the nose of a corpse (see Mike's book), had a baby with his cousin's alleged daughter, used and abused drugs, had sex with a prostitute so he could record it on tape, and the list goes on.

And yet I see nothing but praise for his work, especially on this very messageboard.

To state the fucking obvious.......

DONALD TRUMP IS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Dennis was in a rock and roll band..............

#GOLDENSHOWERS

Brian explained the lyrics in a very interpretative style on this occasion IIRC. Jules Siegel documented Brian's take.

Brian's explanation style hints that SMiLE was heavily influenced by Arthur Koestler's book the Act Of Creation.

ohhhh bill...

Actually ran into a friend today who has a bad backache going, and she stated that she feels best on her feet, not sitting down, so perhaps the "wheelchair for a bad back" scenario may not be true.

For Brian, though, it's not "merely" a bad back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinal_stenosis

Anyone recognize the gentleman leading the way for Brian through the door.  Grey hair pulling his luggage ?

Yes I do.

Are you serious? He may "change his story" depending on the interviewer and level of comfort, but this is 100% Brian, and this is how he really feels. Do you know otherwise? Are you actually Professor Ben Greenman?

...except, of course, as we ALL know... neither 'He Gives Speeches', nor 'She's Going Bald', nor anything like EITHER composition, made it IN to SMiLE in 2004, either in the live stage performances, or in the recorded album. The only place He Gives Speeches appears at all is, as we would expect, on the SMiLE Sessions box set... and of course there it's the historical late summer 1966 recording, for which nothing needed to be recreated at all!.

Yeah, it's definitely not Brian talking about "He Gives Speeches" there, so we can put away the absurd "100% real Brian" figure. Greenman obviously made an error while he was padding out the book with factoids from Wikipedia.

Let's be realistic, there is no denying that paragraphs like:

"I wasn’t at the center of the band anymore. Some people will say that I pulled away from the center. Some people will say that I was pushed away. Maybe it was a little bit of both. I’m not sure. What I’m sure of is that all the guys in the band had different ideas about what kind of music to release, how to go onstage and perform our songs, when we should repeat ourselves and when we should try new things."

...was edited from this kind of interview:

Greenman: Were you still at the center of the band?
Brian: No.
Greenman: Did you pull away from the group, or were you pushed out?
Brian: I'm not sure. A little bit of both.
Greenman: I read that everyone in the band had different ideas on what direction to go in.
Brian: Yeah.
Greenman: What did they disagree on?
Brian: Things like what kind of music to release, how to go onstage and perform our songs, when we should repeat ourselves and when we should try new things.

Just a question and it wont take long to answer. How do you determine something is not Brian? Do you have  a preconceived perception and then SEARCH for substantiation? There is a lot of that doing the rounds at the moment. Do you have a check list with 3 columns? Brian- Not Brian- Not sure?

One thing is 100% certain, we all know when Mike is Mike. Because he usually comes across a complete insensitive, egotistical and repugnant wanker.
So by my perception of Mike, everytime something he says sounds nice and supportive, it's 'not Mike'.

I have the book, lot's of emotion.

I've got to say, I'm a little frustrated by the whole take on the Iraq war by voters this year. In 2002-2003, I was apoplectic arguing with people at work and at home during the run-up to that war. The signs in front of restaurants announced "freedom fries," that they'd dumped their French wine and all kinds of other stupid things because the French didn't back it.
Just about EVERY DAMNED PERSON IN THIS DAMNED COUNTRY supported that stupid, stupid war. I left the country for 4 years expressly because I wanted to get away from the disgusting war fever that took over. Democrats and Republicans were all gung-ho. Now there's a witch hunt for the politicians who supported it. WTF? If you can blankety-blank change your mind, make mistakes, rethink, why can't they? Constituents DROVE lots of politicians to support the war. And lots of politicians and constituents believe that representatives should do what their constituents want them to do - that representatives' will should be overridden by their constituents' will.
Frankly, I'm really really really sick of the hypocritical and ignorant population of this country.

I agree, from Australia.

A pretty good article.  This seems like a much more account of who Brian Wilson is today.  I wondered why he goes through all the rigors of a long tour, which he doesn't seem to enjoy.  It doesn't seem like he enjoys interacting with the fans or being on stage.  It's all about the money.     

Absolute rubbish. A steaming Trump like generalisation.

Lot's of haters here. Wow . Mike seems pretty much at peace with himself .

Hi Jeff how are you mate?
Everything OK at your end?
Thank you for the contribution to this thread.

Mike may be at peace with himself, but if that peace comes at the expense of others then that's a reflection of what truly drives his soul.

I agree that Brian certainly is healthier and better than days gone by.  With the exception of Lucky Old Sun and Orange Crate Art, his albums have been mediocre.  I don't believe he produced TWGMTR, Joe Thomas probably did.

I disagree. 

[They all look happy, so someone must have been doing something right.]

^^^^^^

Good move to post it here, B-I.

They all look happy, so someone must have been doing something right.

Anyone know for sure who the other two are? Is that Alexandra Morgan?

There are some more (possibly familiar) pictures here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3110207/Brian-Wilson-deathwatch-d-drop-lit-cigarettes-bed-lying-waste-Son-controversial-Beach-Boy-s-therapist-reviled-new-biopic-describes-star-s-darkest-hours-father-saved-him.html

 

Really??

This thing of people taking turns to bring up a ML quote and proceeding to criticise the man is getting tiresome. And before anyone comes out with a "he brings it upon himself", everybody here, and most specially the moderators, is responsible for the seemingly unredeemable shitty turn this board has taken this last year.

Just a question why the name Autotune?

Wanker

I may get hate for this, but I don't think pushing Scott aside for what he did is very... I can't even find the words.

He made a *HUGE* mistake. Sure. But he was drinking heavily (a sign of alcohol abuse...duh...) and I can't really say
firmly that I understand what was going through his head before the night began.

Imagine Brian... mentally unstable and fragile... I have no doubt he must've done SOMETHING similar to this in his life.

When you don't value your life quite as much as some may hope, you really f*** up.

I just... I would never donate, but I don't think he should be hated for this. Love and support, while hard, may help save a man that has made us happy for many years.

Hang on..What?

Who knows, it might end up as content in Al or Bruce's autobiography.

And you just ended up on the ban list. Tired of the constant trolling and PM'ing trying to get others banned.

Out of curiosity, what was the banable offense?

Besides the constant trolling? Continuously spamming my PM box trying to get someone banned?The posts on the last page  were  the last straw.  He's been taking swipes at me for years (going on 20) ; this is nothing new. I had asked him to knock it off via PM and he kept at it.

What posts on the last page?

Trying to provoke Craig with the whole 'credit' thing.

Oh, and http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,24284.msg587411.html#msg587411   He's periodically called me 'Billie' ( which is the female version of Billy)  because one time years ago on another board that we both belonged to  somebody( not Cam)  used to taunt me with that because  they thought I was gay and calling me such would offend me. I'm not and it didn't, but the bigotry did. *

I'd asked him to stop that too.

*thankfully most of us have moved out of the 1950s since then.

Cam's gone!?? Praise be!

Too bad there's still a place as the Pet Sounds Forum for him to continue to spread his drivel.

And learning why he called you "Billie" is sure interesting. What a fucking prick.

I echo those sentiments.

too late now...he's gone like the wind.

He will find a way

Unbelievable Cam, seriously I have asked you this half a dozen times. What is at your center what motivates you to post the way you do?
I try to remain fairly impartial but come on that was ridiculous!

I assume this is about Andrew Doe. If so, I think we should come out and say it. If this is indeed true, is it surprising? Andrew himself said that he has been helping out Mike with his book (as a fact checker if I recall). However, if someone's saying his book reads a lot like filledplage's or Cam's posts, well then that got a bit more interesting.

Though I don't think anybody would wanna take literary advice from the filledaplague, with the "overuse" of those "certain" quotation "marks" if you will. But hey, I'd just like an answer for how a supposed school teacher gets front row tickets to every Beach Boys show on the east coast.

Just really, really unlucky?