Uncut gives the new box 4 stars and identifies one of the highlights as being the '72 CATP two-fer mono master. If I had known that was included, I'd forgotten!

Is this review online?

With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it?

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.

Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)

All of them "getting increasingly twisted in white-washing out" Al no doubt.  

I fail to see how that is an answer to either one of the questions you quoted.

With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it?

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.

Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)

Wrinkles

they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists.  

Pathetic? Far from it! I think all the touring bands including Al's and Dave's when they get gigs, are great!

the gigs are great, the 'he's doing this, we better do it too' crap is childish.  both camps are guilty as hell now.

so who are more the Beach Boys now?  Mike n Bruce or Brian, Al n Blondie?

I try to look at the big picture.  Both main bands are performing 6+ Pet Sounds tracks to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds!  This is a win-win for everybody, Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce, Blondie, the hard core fans, the casual fans, etc.  Motives matter very little to me when I'm there enjoying the show.  All 4 of the bands celebrate the Beach Boys music that we love in a quality way.  The reasons why different bands add certain songs is not an issue to me.

Really like this version of WIBN from a recent show. Seems like they've rearranged a bit to be more faithful to the Pet Sounds track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnlSqXq4m6k

Sounds great!

they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists. 

Pathetic? Far from it! I think all the touring bands including Al's and Dave's when they get gigs, are great!

Mike posted on Facebook that they are now doing six songs from Pet Sounds, with more to be added later in the tour!

Caroline No (Jeff)
You still believe in me (Brian E)
Here Today (Mike/Bruce)

And of course the staples WIBN, GOJ, SJB

Any bets on what will be added next?

I enjoy 99% of the catalog, and most of it is not embarrassing to me. I do turn down the radio if other people are in the car and Summer of love comes on!

They may not have corporate shares, but I think David and Bruce both qualify as surviving Beach Boys. I know that not everyone would agree with that.

I imagine M&B have 1-2 songs that could be dropped on the spot due to time constraints or even Mike getting tired. R&R Music could be one such song. The likes of Cali Girls, Kokomo etc, never.

During a recent San Diego show (where they played two shows in one night), they dropped rock and roll music, though it was on the printed setlist, due to time constraints. I do remember a recent Mike interview where he mentioned that he gets burned out on that song occasionally.

I got this yesterday. The live CD is amazing.
Still wondering why Al is not singing the lead vocal on Wouldn't It Be Nice in the current PS50 Tour.

Is the DVD playable in the U.S.?

The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

I agree with your earlier assessment that It's OK should've been a bigger hit than Rock and Roll Music. 

I wasn't too sad when Rock and Roll Music didn't make the setlists the last two times I saw M&B in concert. 

I think I'm one of a few that really really likes Rock And Roll Music in a live setting. It's almost always one of the highlights for me.

If the crowd is into Rock and Roll Music, it serves its purpose...but it's still an awful arrangement of the song. 

I love the live arrangement!! And the 45 version that was on GH3. The Album version is horrible.

The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

I agree with your earlier assessment that It's OK should've been a bigger hit than Rock and Roll Music. 

I wasn't too sad when Rock and Roll Music didn't make the setlists the last two times I saw M&B in concert. 

I think I'm one of a few that really really likes Rock And Roll Music in a live setting. It's almost always one of the highlights for me.

The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

That intro was used as early as 2005 or so. Regarding tempo, If you listen to the Newcastle 2004 show, it was done in an energetic tempo. In the mid 2000s, with the intro, it was part of the opening set and was fast and worked well. During the C50 shows, this was definitely a crowd energy vampire. I really was happy to see it make the set list, but disappointed in the result. This was one of probably just a handful of songs that I was disappointed in during the otherwise stellar year of shows.

I definitely haven't seen a Brian interview quite like that one.

M. Ward has released a remake of "You're So Good to me". Heard it at Starbucks today.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Ward

Thanks for the info! When is the last time they had sax as a permanent fixture in the touring band? Richie Cannata?

Going by memory, Richie's last show was the infamous Mahwah NJ show in 1998. This was the first show after Mike got the license for the Beach Boys name.

Joel Peskin appeared on and off over the years after that. (Going by memory). I get the impression that Randy is going to be a regular band member. Mike mentioned him on his Facebook page, saying it was his first show, and that there was a lot of positive feedback.

I'm going to have to skip this one, hope I don't have to turn in my fan card.  I can afford it, but I can't 'justify' it since it's so similar to the 30th anniversary box set that I've already got... and to be completely honest I didn't buy it new, I bought it at a flea market for $10 ! 

I get it though, some people are really into the collectible aspect of it but generally I just ride around with the CD's in a case in my car.  The rest of the stuff I look at one time and put it on the shelf. 

The Pet Sounds Sessions boxset was so well done I just don't feel this is a huge improvement on it, enough to justify spending that kind of money to mildly update what I've already got...

The 2 disc version covers most of the unreleased stuff, and is a fraction of the full set. Just thought I'd mention.

a side note to tempo but can we discuss arrangement as well?  

They did do some kind of strange things with the arrangements over the years.. I was listening to some old live stuff last week, and in the mid 60's when they used to do a medley of the surf songs, they would do Surfin' USA, for some reason they would drop 1 line of the lyrics out.  So it'd go "You'd see them wearin' their baggies... huarachi sandals too... everybody's gone surfin, Surfin' USA" they would delete the line about a "Bushy Bushy Blonde Hairdo" I guess so they didn't have to do the full chorus and could go into the solo or something.

And then for a long time in California Girls, Mike would go "They Make You Feel All Righ.  Ih.  Iht"

I'm sure they had good reasons for all that but it's always strange hearing them consistently do it different than the record...

It's fun to listen to all the different intros that they've done for Do it Again over the decades. Just during the 70s alone there were several!

While we're on the subject, do we know for sure that Brian never recorded a lead vocal on this tune?  I would pay big $$$ to hear that.

Interestingly enough, I was wondering the same thing today, without having read this thread. The leadless version on MiC was stuck in my head while on a hike today.

Anyone know why Little Honda is out of chronological sequence on MiC? Sounds a bit out of place.

Circa 1994. Stamos is on drums, which may affect things a little more, but this "Catch a Wave" is pretty slow:

https://youtu.be/RQHFYuNNisM

That HAT!! Isn't that the one that the gramma wore on The Beverly Hillbillies?

A good buy overall. Nice to have individual tracks rated (although I don't agree with many ratings). Kind of odd that they don't give the albums ratings though. (They do give the solo albums and group compilations ratings).

The 90s tempos were definitely much slower. I've read some accounts that Carl wanted it this way, and that this was the groove or feel that he thought was best. This continued in the late 90s after Carl passed.

Tempos began to speed up again in the early 2000s. And the Newcastle 2004 show was probably the fastest I've heard them play. Everything was sped up, from ballads to car songs. I remember Little Honda being particularly fast. I think this added energy to the show.

Upon taking over musical director duties later in the decade, Scott worked very hard to get songs back to their original tempos, which showed musical integrity without sacrificing energy.

Some songs benefit from being sped up. "It's ok" is a prime example. As a part of the opening set in the mid to late 2000s, and also in the 70s, it sounded great! Performed in its original tempo during the C50 shows, it fell pretty flat.