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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: January 08, 2019, 11:03:23 AM
Has anyone figured out why the verse background vocals for Time To Get Alone are missing on the a cappella track on the set? Treasure trove of amazing material, this was the only thing I'm really wishing we got!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 19, 2018, 09:05:56 PM
Why am I the only one fascinated in the Workshop connection with Our New Home

I am too...I thought others had noticed it already!



I'm hearing the same rhythm of the chords and similar instrumentation for the keys, but the chords don't sound the same to me. The chord structure IS actually the same chords as Our Sweet Love. Haven't seen anyone mention that on these boards yet, but it's been discussed elsewhere. I'm working on syncing up the two but it's not finished yet...
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension Release Thread on: December 10, 2018, 06:29:06 PM
On those lines...any info on the 1980 version? Was it attempted or was it just rumored?

Definitely attempted (I have the AFM sheet). But there was an just instrumental track, no vocals, recorded immediately after the KTSA sessions. However, it may or may not have actually been intended for The Beach Boys. It could possibly have been done for The Captain and Tennille, as it was recorded at Rumbo by their engineer at the time.

Wow thanks for that info! Been curious about that forever!
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 10, 2018, 11:19:24 AM
C-man tried asking this earlier, but does anyone know when the vocals were done at 5:47 on Been Way Too Long Sessions? They always sounded strange to me. Is it possible that they were done in 1980?
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: December 08, 2018, 12:55:21 AM
Cman, do you have any insight on the provenance of the vocals at 5:47 on the Been Way Too Long Sessions? They’ve never sounded like vintage 1968 vocals to me. Is there a chance they’re from the 1980 Sessions?

"Be Here In The Morning Darling" is wonderful. What is it? Is it an entirely different thing from "Be Here In The Morning"? Or is it a totally different backing track that the same lyrics were supposed to be applied to?

it took a few listens but it is indeed the same song. you can hum the melody right over this new track for the most part. amazing

I'm also floored by the backing track we got for the actual Be Here In the Morning. the choruses are especially lush and the bells give it a timely holiday vibe. that slide guitar is such a sweet effect too. anyone know who or what that is exactly?

I would assume it's a lap steel overdub.
Craig lists Al Vescovo as guitarist so I'm guessing it's him playing the slide. Hopefully c-man can clarify.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 17, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
I'm beyond psyched. This is my favorite Beach Boys era!!!!!!!!
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Believe in Miracles and Can't Wait Too Long on: November 08, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
I guess what I'm saying is that I can hear some sort of thread running through those tracks, just not quite in the way you're hearing them.  I think Brian just like experimenting with that feel.  You can also hear him do it on Cool Cool Water (Version 2) on The Smile Sessions where he transitions from Water/Dada into what sounds like the major chord version of Child.... Miracles is that same rhythm that seems like it was supposed to be a section of something but I still haven't quite figured out what else it's supposed to be piecing together.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Believe in Miracles and Can't Wait Too Long on: November 08, 2018, 06:18:07 PM
I'm coming into this a few years late, but not knowing anything about the track, I'd just assumed "Miracles" was an excerpt of a rehearsal of "Little Bird".

Miracles dates from the Smiley Smile sessions. Not hearing the Little Bird connection...

The underlying chords in the chorus of CIFOTM morphed into parts of Can't Wait Too Long (which Miracles seems to be a section of) and later "Little Bird" (the ending of which is a more direct rework of CIFOTM).  Even the fade of Surf's Up is an intentional reprisal of the chorus to CIFOTM, made even clearer by the 1971 vocal additions.  It's all over Brian's stuff from this period.

You did a great just lining up the tempo on your soundcloud link, but those are clearly not the same chords in Miracles and CITFOTM, I don't really understand how anyone earlier in the thread agreed.... Brian used that swing rhythm/feel a lot in this period clearly in the CIFOTM call backs you mentioned, however, the first chord in Miracles is C#minor and where you have it lined up in your track is some sort of E6 with a root of F# which is not in a minor key. It's clearly dissonant, I think that's a case of people hearing what they want to hear. But I agree that the rhythm in Miracles is similar to a lot of things Brian was doing at the time. Similarly I don't hear any similarities in the chorus chords of Child and Can't Wait Too Long....   The boot that has Miracles and Can't Wait connected as one track was stitched together by Linnett, which I thought everyone agreed on.  Totally agree/have always heard the Little Bird/Child/Surfs Up connection. Just not hearing the same chords in the sections you mentioned.... Can't Wait is the son of Smile Windchimes, not CITFOTM, at least to me.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Believe in Miracles and Can't Wait Too Long on: November 08, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
I'm coming into this a few years late, but not knowing anything about the track, I'd just assumed "Miracles" was an excerpt of a rehearsal of "Little Bird".

Miracles dates from the Smiley Smile sessions. Not hearing the Little Bird connection...
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I Believe in Miracles and Can't Wait Too Long on: November 08, 2018, 12:35:15 PM
Been rebuilding my BBs mix from the ground up since losing a hard drive and am once again obsessed with this Can't Wait Too Long snippet described in this thread.  However, the Archaeology track that I've found cuts out for a fraction of a second at 0:11.... Does anyone else have a copy without the glitch?  I can't remember if the cut out was always there when I've listened to the track in the past....The Linnet version on Secret Smile has no bass at all, so I'd love to find a glitchless copy of the Archaeology version!
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 06, 2018, 02:39:11 PM
Other websites say that the single came out in ’65 (http://www.45cat.com/record/us-x847559), so not sure how likely that is to end up on this year’s compilation.

Wow, did not know this. Always had it in my Master Mix as a 1968 anomaly...

The other track on the 45:

The AFM contract # 106707 for "Baby What You Want Me To Do" (aka "Peep And Hide") states:

date: August 17, 1964
musicians: Tommy Morgan, Hal Blaine, Tommy Tedesco, William Pitman
producers: Brian Wilson, Bob Norberg
session leader: Hal Blaine
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 06, 2018, 01:29:29 PM
The  credit for the Twelve-0-Four side says production and writing by Bob Norberg. Can't find an image of Baby What You Want Me To Do.

Oh really? I was going off of this old link: https://www.surfermoon.com/essays/bwprods.html

What are the odds we could get these if Brian was only a performer and not the producer of the session?
 

13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: November 06, 2018, 02:10:43 AM
Did anyone mention the Bob & Bobby tracks "Twelve-O-Four" and "Baby What You Want Me To Do" for their wish list yet? These are 1968 BW productions correct? Would like to have clean mixes of these.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / General Copyright Extension Question on: October 16, 2018, 04:03:12 PM
If these releases are intended to extend the copyright of these songs, what's to stop me from HYPOTHETICALLY pressing up an album that featured something like "Visions" a track not released on any of these? I don't have the time or money to do anything like that. This is purely something I was just curious about.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: FINALLY ! . . . . . . Part Two (suspended) on: October 07, 2018, 02:10:10 PM
Ughhhhhh..... I was waiting until today to listen to this!!!!! Fans are insanely lucky to have access to these videos. I'm extremely disappointed. 
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Standard Lie #1 - Dennis Co-write? on: October 05, 2018, 01:06:41 PM
Ah, that would make sense! Disregard then!

Not seeing anything online about the other Dennis. Active in the 70's I'm assuming.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Standard Lie #1 - Dennis Co-write? on: October 05, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Someone linked to Dennis'  ASCAP page in another thread and I found this title "Standard Lie #1" listed as a 50% co-write with Stella Parton (Dolly's sister).  Anyone know anything else about this? Doesn't have any of Dennis' songwriting earmarks to me at least....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgPgUKcu1TE
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: great new BW interview (Bedroom Tapes mentioned) on: May 22, 2016, 05:54:26 PM
A decent quality version of the Awake demo would be worth the price of admission alone

Ask and ye shall receive (from yours truly):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR4Sz3NznfE

Say wha? When did this start making the rounds? You could really top yourself if you posted a clean Carry Me Home!   Smiley
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: photos of the Wild Honey stained glass window?? on: March 17, 2016, 12:59:19 PM
Thought I'd take another shot at this... Anyone have a picture of the full glass? My Dad is a stained glass artist and is making a replica for me. Can almost patch together the whole design between the Cover, Chair pic, and Rovell pic. I'd love to know what color the flower is on the lower right and also see if there is anything above where the album is cropped. Thanks!
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Time To Get Alone - I want to know everything! on: June 25, 2015, 11:55:20 PM
A+++++ Craig!!!!!!!!! Great read! Does an a cappella mix of this song exist that includes the harmonies during the verse?? Possibly my favorite vocals ever from the Boys. The only version I've heard is missing these.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Time To Get Alone - I want to know everything! on: June 25, 2015, 07:49:29 PM
Pages 126-129 of Priore's book feature Danny Huttons recollections about the song. Specifically his contribution of the multiple keyboard production. He also mentions that Brian called in the string section.It also features a quote by VDP who says that Danny "did the layering on that one, and Brian approved." I'm assuming he meant the vocal arrangement. The book paints the song as a true collaboration between Brian and Danny (at least Redwood version, which the BBs version is built on of course). Not trying to diminish Brian's involvement, just adding some more info that is out there.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Time To Get Alone - I want to know everything! on: June 25, 2015, 04:54:06 PM
I don't have the book in front of me, but I believe Priore's Smile book had a section on this song. Maybe someone can find the quotes. Correct me if I'm wrong but I remember reading that the distinctive call and response piano/harpsichord(?) production flourish in the verse was the idea of Danny Hutton?? Not saying as a co-writer, talking specifically about the keys sounds. It's truly one of my all time favorite songs as well, and i love it no matter who came up with that idea, such an amazing sound!!!!
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unknown Instrumental - Friends on: June 02, 2015, 07:12:36 PM
I actually started this awhile back. I'll take a look for it and see if it's worth posting.

Cool! I'm a fan of your other mixes! Interesting to see I'm not the only one to make the connection, I hadn't seen it mentioned before.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Unknown Instrumental - Friends on: June 02, 2015, 06:14:12 PM
This is the piece with what sounds like taped piano strings... I've seen it mentioned as a Friends OR 20/20 outtake, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Anyways, I was driving in the car yesterday and when the song came on, I spontaneously started singing the verse to Time To Get Alone on top of it... It seemed like a strange revelation... Can anyone tell me if its even possible that this could be an attempt at  an alternate TTGA? Or maybe someone with some audio skills and 15 minutes could splice it together so that you can hear what I'm hearing? It sounds like the same chords and roughly same tempo, and the right hand melody definitely conceals the similarity...
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - \ on: October 28, 2014, 12:33:19 PM
FWIW I bought the track on amazon. When I imported it into iTunes, it lists the composer as solely "Joe Thomas"....
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