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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and his band to perform on Mike Huckabee TV special. on: February 15, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
So do people have any actual facts when they are saying Mike controls the Facebook page, because I'm guessing they don't?

Much like the Twitter page (with which the contents is nearly always identical), it is almost certainly just someone at Universal. It shares posts from Brian. It shares posts from Mike. It shares posts from Al. It posts Universal Music articles. It posts links to songs.

It's clearly not just Mike sitting on his sofa in his underwear.

Just because you don't like it it doesn't mean Mike is behind it.

It's been a pattern for the past 5-6 years, though, with nearly all of Mike's social media outlets. At this point in time, almost all of Mike's accounts are either heavily moderated and censored, or they are locked down entirely and not open to fan comments. Or, and perhaps even worse, they are filtered to make it look like Mike and his actions have 100% support from the fan base and only positive, glowing comments are shown on the public pages. It's a whitewash.

Maybe people who weren't following wouldn't remember, but at one point on Mike's YouTube page someone who was in a management position started mixing it up with fans in the comments section and it turned into a battle before all fan comments were locked and closed. Since then, and seen especially with his solo releases, more often than not Mike's YouTube page blocks fan comments. Now since the SCI dust-up, as anyone can see, all of these pages connected to Mike are either filtering out every comment except for the most positive supportive posts, or locking down all comments so no one can post.

Let me say again: That is exactly the kind of censored and overly monitored/filtered atmosphere some specific entities were pushing for this board to turn into, and yes - it was specific to comments critical of Mike that was the main issue. It got to the point where we were contacted and asked for personal information on a member for an "interested party". The information was not given.

The issue of "The Beach Boys" Facebook account has been raised before. In the past there have been lines blurred between the page's existence for The Beach Boys as the legacy band and brand, and Mike's touring licensed group. Contests, promos, etc...things specific to Mike. I don't recall all the details, some of it at this point was 5 years ago. But it was unusual enough that others did raise it as an issue.

Do people really think Mike himself is sitting around in a robe and slippers in the morning deleting comments? Obviously not, it's satire. But when "The Beach Boys" account starts acting exactly like Mike Love's accounts with the censorship and lockdowns in the face of critical fan reaction, factoring in the past questions about content, of course people would raise questions about who is running this stuff and how it's being run.

Interestingly, just yesterday, I heard a radio promo for one of Mike's Beach Boys shows coming to the area. At  the end of the spot, it mentioned both The Beach Boys and Mike Love online sites for info on promos and giveaways. I had *never* heard both "accounts" given that way for a Beach Boys show. And Mike comes to this area every year with related promos airing every time.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 14, 2020, 09:07:39 AM
Didn’t someone official somewhere say this was coming in February?

Sure to sell a million units?  Grin
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 14, 2020, 09:07:03 AM

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You'll now notice that virtually every Facebook person who likes and comments positively on Mike's posts is a MAGA hat-wearing Trumper. And… Anybody who isn't a "yes man" is deleted. Gross.

Yeah, I belonged to a group that started doing that, and then they just closed all comments to every post. What's the point of belonging to a Facebook group where you can't even comment on any posts? I left.


That type of overly censored moderation is close to what this community could have turned into had certain factions and their recommendations for changing this place had gotten their way. They didn't, and it won't. Fans should have a say.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 14, 2020, 09:02:07 AM
If this set is delayed until later this year, it will give all of us mean fans a chance to apologize to Mike Love for bullying him... LOL
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 11, 2020, 07:14:08 PM
This debacle of playing that gig made international news and was picked up by even the network news divisions and late night comedy shows...Easily the worst PR this band has received since the end of C50 in 2012. It wouldn't be unexpected if some of it rubs off regarding bookings and demand.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Which 70s albums will get full box sets, and which will just get digital dumps on: February 10, 2020, 06:12:13 PM
I cannot see any interest in MIU/LA Light/Keepin The Summer Alive deluxe editions because they just are not and were not very good albums to begin with, and are mostly forgotten because there was nothing really unique about any of them. The only interest outside the hardcore collector base would be the material Brian was writing and recording in 1976/77, like the Love You demos and the big-band material. Put that material in the right context with improved sound, market it the right way, and there would be an audience out of curiosity. The rest is disposable IMO.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 10, 2020, 06:07:36 PM

But boy, that ESQ "editorial" definitely rubbed me the wrong way ...


You and many others feel exactly the same way.

Trying not to be as upset discussing it as I was reading it, I still cannot believe how the crux of the article was blaming the fans - whose support is the lifeline for this and ANY band or artist - for something that was 100% the responsibility of one member Mike Love, while the other three surviving original members Brian, Al, and David each either acted toward or spoke out in their objection to the band they formed playing for this event.

Three out of four original members opposed it, publicly, and it's the fault of the fans?

It absolutely boggles the mind.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 10, 2020, 01:06:23 PM
If an author writes and publishes something they do not believe, then the issues of integrity and honesty come into play and they owe the readers and fans an apology.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 10, 2020, 11:25:18 AM
A publication that calls itself "The Beach Boys Publication of Record" goes on the record and blames the fans for the controversy surrounding Mike Love and the SCI convention.

Shameful.

What you're seeing is another layer peeled back and visible to all in the ongoing attempts to control the opinions surrounding this band, and to either blatantly ignore criticism from fans leveled at the actions and words of Mike Love when they disagree, or whitewash mistakes and bad deeds from the record entirely, as was done repeatedly, especially over the last decade.

I don't need a finger-wagging lecture delivered by the self-named "publication of record" when the blame rests solely on Mike Love for choosing to accept and play a gig which tens of thousands objected to and which brought negative and damaging attention to the band name itself. Mike licenses the name "Beach Boys", he does not own it for his personal use.

If anyone wants to see what has been going on behind the scenes specifically since 2013 and in the wake of the C50 situation, start by reading this editorial-slash-lecture.

Perhaps consider why having open forums for fans to freely exchange thoughts and opinions is important and valuable. And also consider the sources of those who have been trying to shut down such outlets through actions such as locking social media pages to comments, trying to bully and control opinions of fans on multiple outlets, and now trying to shame fans into thinking they are responsible for causing problems for the brand when that blame ultimately rests in one specific place.

It isn't hard to figure out. But it is sad to see a band full of such joy and such a great legacy being reduced to this kind of behind-the-scenes nonsense and attempts to control and shift the narrative.

"It's all about the music!" "We love all the guys!"

Yeah, right. The line drawn in the sand seems to be more visible now than it ever was, if defending or protecting Mike's interests and image leads to blaming fans who are the main reason this band has continued to be relevant and newsworthy after close to 60 years.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 08, 2020, 10:43:13 AM
Update on the "change.org" bait and switch: Nothing has been done - The petition signed by Beach Boys fans now has their signatures on a petition addressed to Boris Johnson concerning UK law, and is still up and running as if nothing happened.

That will be the last "Change.org" petition I ever deal with, if they allow signatures given for one issue to be applied and transferred at will by the petition starter to another cause.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 07:37:12 AM
I just posted and pinned instructions and contact info if anyone wants to report this shifting of petition topics to change.org

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,26921.0.html

I'd strongly encourage reporting this...what the petition starter did was beyond dishonest to everyone who signed based on the original topic.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Important Info For Those Who Signed Petition at change.org on: February 07, 2020, 07:31:41 AM
I would encourage anyone who signed the petition targeted at The Beach Boys playing the Safari Club International convention to immediately contact change.org and report a violation by the petition organizer Eduardo Goncalves. The petition with your signatures directed at The Beach Boys' performance has now been changed and redirected toward Boris Johnson and UK laws on hunting.

This is beyond dishonest to change the subject and topic of a petition while keeping the same signatures intact. This cannot be allowed to stand.

The petition we signed changed from this:

Eduardo Goncalves started this petition to Elliott Lott

TELL THE BEACH BOYS TO STOP SUPPORTING TROPHY HUNTING!


To this:

Eduardo Goncalves started this petition to Prime Minister Boris Johnson

Up to 1.7 MILLION animals have been killed for 'sport' and 'selfies by Trophy Hunters over the past decade. The UK government is currently holding a Public Consultation on whether to BAN hunting trophies. We call on the UK government to implement OPTION 3 for a Total Ban as a first step towards an END to all Trophy Hunting.


If you wish to report this violation and/or remove your signature after this original petition has been altered, here are the steps from the Change website:

A: How to Report Content - How to report a petition

To report a petition on Change.org, you must first be logged into your account. Once you have logged in, follow the steps mentioned below:
Scroll to the bottom of the petition page and click on “Report a policy violation” button located below the comments section.
This button opens a menu where you will select a category for your report.
Before you can make a submission, you must include a reason for your report.
The more specific you can be with your reason for reporting content, the more equipped the Help Center team will be when assessing your claim.




This is how to remove a signature if you choose to do that:

Remove signature from petition

Technical Help
When a petition is signed, our system automatically emails a confirmation to the email address associated with that account.
This email will generally have a subject line that begins "You have a message about...".
At the bottom of the email, you will see the option "Didn't sign this petition? Remove your signature".  To remove your signature, click on the Remove your signature link.
If you happen to receive a permission error, try logging into your Change.org account and clicking on the signature removal link again.
Please note that the link in this email is only valid for 30 days.



And this is the link to "Contact Support" at change.org to report or inquire about this issue with changing petitions after the fact:

https://help.change.org/s/contactsupport?language=en_US






13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 06:50:03 AM
I am furious at this.

I encourage anyone who signed or supported this petition based on *The Beach Boys* performance to contact the change.org website and report this change of topics by the guy who started the petition.

You can't get people to sign a petition about a topic and then change topics after they've signed.

Now it's about UK laws and Boris Johnson, "The Beach Boys" has been removed from the petition yet the signatures remain.

For fucks sake...

14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 07, 2020, 06:35:59 AM
FYI, the maker the petition completely changed the it from having to do with The Beach Boys to "We call on the UK government to implement OPTION 3 for a Total Ban as a first step towards an END to all Trophy Hunting."

While I agree that trophy hunting should be illegal, it's rather disingenuous to use 130,000+ signatures that were all signed on the basis of protesting Mike Love's Beach Boys. I'm still keeping my signature on there (though I wouldn't know how to take mine off if I did want to), but in case anyone else didn't agree with the newly updated petition I wanted to make people here aware of that. You can report a policy violation and explain why you want your signature off the petition. (Wata: If you want to remove your signature, click "remove your signature" link in the email you received after signing."

edit: thanks, Wata!

Anyone who signed can report this to the website.

I think this is complete bullshit...you can't get people on board  to sign something specific and then change the topic of the petition they signed after the fact.

Report them ASAP.


A: How to Report Content - How to report a petition

To report a petition on Change.org, you must first be logged into your account. Once you have logged in, follow the steps mentioned below:
Scroll to the bottom of the petition page and click on “Report a policy violation” button located below the comments section.
This button opens a menu where you will select a category for your report.
Before you can make a submission, you must include a reason for your report.
The more specific you can be with your reason for reporting content, the more equipped the Help Center team will be when assessing your claim.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 07:19:54 PM
For those who do have issues with the petition starter and his method of operation, etc...and count me among them despite agreeing with the message of the petition and signing of it out of principle...please check out what the Safari Club International has released yesterday around noon.

Twitter link:
https://twitter.com/SafariClubIntl/status/1224746518546010113

YouTube video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXSqyZhQ5Lg

Read and watch that, and you'll see a targeted PR campaign using the word "trigger" as the key. I had a feeling something was up when Surabian got involved and quoted, as he's not simply a spokesman for Don Jr., but he's also a power player in various conservative PAC's and organizations, and has been involved in the higher echelons of marketing political ideology alongside the likes of Steve Bannon and Ed Rollins. In other words, he's not working as a lowly spokesman.

So all of this with the convention in Reno also got swept up in what looks like a marketing/lobbying attempt to shift focus from the trophy hunting issue to hunting overall, and paint those who object to the SCI group's association with the trophy hunting industry as something they're not.

And we saw this play out *exactly* in Surabian's comment about "triggering", and calling Brian Wilson a "Hollywood liberal elite" or whatever he said.

These are professionals, they know what they're doing, and they're invested in the higher echelon of hardball politics and lobbying...and they also know how to distort and deflect issues so the original issue gets lost in a sea of bullshit and unrelated topics.

But I said all that before. And I also said it before seeing the SCI marketing campaign as shown in that video just posted yesterday.

Have a look. This is how a public opinion campaign and lobby gets launched when millions of dollars of big money is involved. The key word is "trigger", apparently.



And again, how pathetic to see Mike drag the beautiful music of The Beach Boys into this mess. I'm with Brian and Al.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 08:13:06 AM
I agree that Brian and Al separating themselves as original Beach Boys from Mike's "Beach Boys" who are playing this gig was a necessary (and welcome IMO) action. It had to be done. I'd wager a majority of regular citizens not invested in the band have little or no clue that Mike is the only original member in the touring Beach Boys.

I applaud Brian (and Al) again for saying what they did and making it clear. I wouldn't want my name, my band, and my legacy of beautiful music dragged through the mud or associated with an event or cause I don't support.

The only thing Trump's spokesman Sarubian did was introduce his own "war room" political warfare mentality and tactics into the issue, and make it about Republicans versus Democrats, or conservatives versus liberals when the issue is trophy hunting, and the objection and opposition to trophy hunting doesn't follow those political label lines. A majority across the board oppose it.

Don't get sucked in to the PAC-style tactics of Sarubian and his ilk. They'll have the issue so twisted and warped by the time it's done that people won't remember what the real issue was. That's what they get paid to do for their politician and lobbyist clients.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 07:57:39 AM
What I see as the bottom line is that there have been attempts to deflect and distract from the actual issue(s) at hand, and the more we follow those detours the more successful the tactic becomes. We had a former member here who did that regularly, in almost every discussion where there was no valid response, suddenly the topic would veer off into the Constitution or some random social issue and the actual topic was left miles away in the dust. They're still at it apparently.

Trump Jr.'s spokesman is an expert at this tactic, and he succeeded in shifting the focus and discussion into political beliefs and onto Don Jr. rather than the issue of Brian and Al objecting to Mike Love playing this event as The Beach Boys.

Focus.

And remember, the issue is trophy hunting and The Beach Boys playing a show for an event and organization associated with trophy hunting. It's not about endorsing political candidates, it's not about who Brian voted for in 1996, it's not about the background and work history of the petition starter, it's not about the right to bear arms, and it's not about objections to political figures...it's about Mike playing this gig as The Beach Boys.

18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 05, 2020, 07:33:13 AM
Of course I don't think its bullying.  In no way is it bullying.  I'm just using the opposing sides terms and responding to the fact that people are having a fit about Don Jr. hitting back.  None of those involved ever mentioned Brian Wilson's name....at all.  Brian used his celebrity and publicly shamed them for the event set up.   Don Jr. hits back and now he's the evil person.  Does Brian plan to make up for the financial impact he may cause the families and children he may have hurt from the monetary loss his public boycott may cause them?  Is he even considering the children?  Children are more important than animals?   The stupidity. 

What you're either missing or ignoring, Nathan, is that none of Brian's statements mentioned Don Jr. at all, yet his acting spokesman Sarubian replied as if Brian was targeting Don Jr.

I tried to spell it out as clearly as I could in my last post specific to this and the Trump Jr. "statement", but I guess you didn't read it or chose to ignore it. Anyway, that's the fact of the matter. Brian never mentioned Trump Jr, yet Trump's hired flack Sarubian tried to make it all about Don Jr. as if Brian went after him, which he did not. Again, feel free to ignore the facts as you've been doing.

Classic political "war room" mentality and tactics. Deflect, distract, insult, obfuscate...and never, EVER address the actual topic at hand when there is no logical defense.

Speaking of which, there is some of that going on right here in this discussion. So Sarubian, who is literally a paid professional at doing this, has succeeded in shifting the discussion to Brian's politics rather than the actual issue of trophy hunting and the gig Mike is playing.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 07:42:02 PM
“Don is looking forward to his speech at the Safari Club convention and is proud to add Brian Wilson to the list of liberal Hollywood elites who he has successfully triggered,” Andy Surabian, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, said on Tuesday.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/04/us/brian-wilson-beach-boys.html


This is a statement directed at Mr. Andy Surabian, spokesman for Mr. Trump, in reply to his comment above.

Get your facts straight, be honest in your reply and stick to the facts and issues at hand, or shut the f*** up. This is not about your boss.

Thank you.



So with that out of the way, a rundown of the facts is necessary.

First, these are the two messages posted to Brian Wilson's Twitter feed concerning the event:

#1
It has been brought to my attention that on Wednesday February 5, The Beach Boys touring group licensed by Mike Love are headlining at the Safari Club International Convention in Reno, Nevada...
2:22 PM · Feb 3, 2020

#2
This organization supports trophy hunting, which Both Al and I are emphatically opposed to. There’s nothing we can do personally to stop the show, so please join us in signing the petition at
Sign the Petition
Tell the Beach Boys to Say No to Trophy Hunting!
change.org
2:22 PM · Feb 3, 2020


For the benefit of Mr. Surabian's apparent inability to read in detail, or perhaps to counter his narcissism or belief that everything revolves around the boss who he is paid to speak for, let's spell it out:

Nowhere - let me repeat - NOWHERE was Trump Jr. mentioned in either message. The image of the Trump brothers holding a trophy after a hunt was attached to the change.org petition page that was linked in the message.

The opposition to the event concerned the Safari Club International group's association with and support of trophy hunting, along with the SCI group's showcasing of vendors who promote trophy hunting. The opposition directly concerned the band which Brian Wilson and Al Jardine formed and founded in Hawthorne, The Beach Boys, whose name is licensed by member Mike Love, who will be playing this event with no involvement from Brian or Al, or fellow original member David Marks.

The statement made clear that Brian and Al as original Beach Boys oppose trophy hunting.

It has nothing to do with Trump's appearance or speech at the event, and nothing to do with Trump at all. It concerns the name "The Beach Boys" and Brian's and Al's investment in the name and the legacy of that name, alongside the body of work created by The Beach Boys decades before Mike Love licensed the name to book and promote his live shows.

For the spokesman to suggest this was about Trump Jr. speaks volumes to either a blatant ignorance of what was actually said, and the issues at hand, or an absurd level of narcissism that suggests everything surrounding this event revolves around and hinges on Trump's appearance and speech.

It was and is about *The Beach Boys* as licensed by Mike Love performing at this event. This was not about "triggering" Don Trump Jr. It really is that simple.


Welcome to politics in the year 2020. Throw all logic and intelligence out the window, hire an inept spokesman to ignore the facts and fire away at anyone who dares to voice an opinion whether or not his boss was even part of the issue, and throw political mud instead of proofreading and checking the facts.

Brian and Al for the win. Now people can finally see who these others are, and what they do, and in some cases it will affect those who have launched defense after excuse after total absolution for years to defend similar behavior from the same crowd. Shame it had to come to this, in this fashion, but maybe something like this had to happen to wake us up.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 11:51:05 AM
I think it is embarrassing for Brian Wilson and Al Jardine to stoop to this level and ask other fans to petition 'their' band.  Stupid and petty.  Just like the media to pounce on a topic and target it before moving on to the next.  Its a freaking paid concert.   Roll Eyes  Like some big change has occurred or something.  Why would Brian allow himself to get sucked into the liberal trolls of the world.   So next time I attend a Brian Wilson concert, I'm sure he'll stop me before entering and make me answer political questions to ensure that I am correctly aligned with his causes and beliefs.   The same boycotting liberals want the Christian cake baker to align with the homosexual ceremonial requests.  Whatever.

Why are they not allowed to have their own beliefs? Just because they don’t align with your causes and beliefs?
If it is truly reflective of their own beliefs/opinions, then, I totally agree.  Free country, free speech and more power to them.  I just think its stupid to join in on the public display of shaming against a music concert.  The petition frames the organization with an obvious weight to a specific agenda.   Is Mike replacing the backdrop video with hunters shooting the animals down?  Is Mike coming out with ivory horns and standing on a bear rug?  No, he's just going a generic paid concert.   I've had plenty of negative thoughts towards Mike Love, but can remember him playing the 4th of July in Harrisburg, PA for Democratic Governor Ed Rendell who claimed they were best friends for a long time.  I don't think Mike is always as conservative as some think...I think he just has friends in power and likes to maintain those friendships.

Nathan, I think the issue might be that your comment "Why would Brian allow himself to get sucked into the liberal trolls of the world?" both ignores the fact that Brian Wilson has an opinion of his own which he conveyed in the message, and that Brian (and Al) may have wanted to distance themselves from associating "The Beach Boys" of Mike Love's touring band playing this show with "The Beach Boys" that Brian and Al created and formed in Hawthorne. For many who chimed in on this issue, they may not realize there is such a separation, and if Brian and Al are not a part of Mike's touring group called The Beach Boys who are playing this gig, it's only fair for them to say we're not a part of this, and we don't support the beliefs of the group and members sponsoring this event...but we have no recourse.

You have to at least be fair in allowing Brian to share his opinion since it is a legacy and name he created, and also I think be a bit more accepting of the fact Brian has his own opinions and is not being sucked into any ideology or opinion against his own wishes.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 11:08:14 AM
So basically, if you see anyone suggesting Brian hopped on a cruise ship to get out of Dodge and avoid any follow-ups to recent events...just hit 'em with the facts, drop the mic, and resume normal life.

I'll tell you what, a cruise out of Miami sounds mighty nice right about now.  Smiley  Rock!
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 11:03:00 AM
Just FYI - This Cayamo was a concert cruise gig booked in advance, and with a pretty cool lineup of musicians to boot: https://www.cayamo.com/  including Brian, Lake Street Dive, Jeff Tweedy, Mavis Staples, etc...

Just to dispute any attempts to suggest Brian was somehow made "unavailable" on a cruise out of convenience as all this blew up, he is in fact on the high seas as part of this concert cruise as we speak.

But of course, don't let that stop those who know better from sharing and spreading info that doesn't exist... Roll Eyes

Lake Street Dive’s on the Bill? I think you just made Jay happy ! 😎

They are indeed! There are supposed to be opportunities for jam sessions between the acts on the bill, I'd love to see a guy like Tweedy or Lake Street Dive rip through some of Brian's tunes together and vice versa. Or Mavis Staples singing "Warmth Of The Sun", etc. One can dream LOL
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 10:59:09 AM
Just FYI - This Cayamo was a concert cruise gig booked in advance, and with a pretty cool lineup of musicians to boot: https://www.cayamo.com/  including Brian, Lake Street Dive, Jeff Tweedy, Mavis Staples, etc...

Just to dispute any attempts to suggest Brian was somehow made "unavailable" on a cruise out of convenience as all this blew up, he is in fact on the high seas as part of this concert cruise as we speak.

But of course, don't let that stop those who know better from sharing and spreading info that doesn't exist... Roll Eyes
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 10:42:06 AM
It would be hilarious if the stage lights went dark at showtime for the Beach Boys, and a single dim spotlight shines on a figure with his back turned...wearing a baseball cap, khakis, and a Robert Graham blue striped shirt...and then that figure rips off the cap and shirt to reveal his true identity. It's Ted Nugent. Then Ted and his band rip into "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang".

Of course that won't happen. But it makes you wonder why they didn't tap Nugent for this gig.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 10:30:21 AM
The question of what business/fiduciary duty the band members have to each other vis-a-vis the license/trademark/brand/reputation is an interesting one.

There are scenarios with other organizations where shareholders would try to (and/or would be able to) do something about this sort of thing.

As to whether Mike's lawyers could possibly be barking at Brian (or Al) or BRI, who knows. They'd have a tough time doing anything beyond sending a powerless angry letter. If they tried to argue that Brian is hurting the brand by supporting this call to cancel the show, Brian could just as easily contend Mike is hurting the brand by doing the gig in the first place.

I think Mike is operating on the basis of "it's my license and I can book any shows I want." Whether that's a realistic way to go about doing business is debatable, but it has seemed to work for him so far. However, Mike "it's all about free speech" Love certainly shouldn't have a problem with Brian and Al voicing their concern over the gig.

You'd think the rarity of Brian publicly calling out a Mike touring gig (which has more or less NEVER directly happened before) would maybe ring a bell with Mike that this is maybe a bigger deal than usual.

Ultimately, BRI is more a holding company than anything else, so in one sense it's not surprising everybody's kind of caught flat-footed; the band essentially is not active outside of archival releases and licensing the trademark. I'm not sure what Jerry Schilling's angle or attitude would be in handling (or not handling) this sort of thing. His quick quote in that Reno article certainly isn't the best look, that's for sure. But you have to remember, Mike's band/tour is not a BRI operation. BRI simply gives a license to Mike/Meleco. They have no control outside the hornet's nest that is trying to take the license away. One would hope Schilling could have brokered something here as far as Mike just canceling this one gig and doing a solid for his fellow shareholders. Nobody at this stage wants to just cut the revenue off and have everybody retire. It's about one gig, and I'm stunned Mike has gone out of his way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by not only not taking the simple step of canceling the gig, but actually defiantly going on with it.


But isn't the job of managing a brand, in this case a legacy brand with a 55+ year presence and identity above all the licenses and "confusion", dependent on protecting that brand?

In this case there is a specific event that even a basic scan of reactions from the public would show some serious issues that are in effect harming that brand identity. Again, no matter if one agrees or disagrees with the event itself or Mike's "right" to play whatever he chooses etc, it is still putting the image of The Beach Boys in a negative light that has now been reported internationally.

It makes you wonder if there is a manager per se, or if it's just a custodial position with no hands-on managing on issues like this. And it also raises the question if social media tagged as "The Beach Boys" like their Facebook page is truly a Beach Boys operation or if it is Mike Love's team running that too. Obviously comments were being monitored and deleted, and all signs point to Mike on that one. Yet Mike has his own social media too.

It just makes you wonder what the structures really are when The Beach Boys Facebook page seems to be working for Mike, and the management of the brand who has been taking some pretty bad PR hits in the press over this seems to have nothing to say, and no control over what to do about it.

Silly me, I thought BRI had 4 votes.
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