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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 04:48:06 PM
The Beach Boys will be like a football team.  Still have the same name but different players.  Unfortunately, it has become a franchise.  Most people support the same football team they did 30 years ago, but it won't have any of the same players, for obvious reasons.

Will that happen to The Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, U2, Sex Pistols, Clash, Public Enemy, Boston, etc? Or any other truly top-tier band? Will they be like a football team?

I left out Guns N Roses because of everyone I could think of, Axl Rose will be the Mike Love of his generation in 25 years, still tourin' with a band having no original GnR members, with whatever auxiliary member he can grab to go with him. And laughing all the way to the bank as they sell 80's nostalgia kilts and Axl re-records a soundalike "Sweet Child O Mine" for his solo album due in the Fall of 2043.
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Cats on: Today at 04:41:02 PM
Yes! I had a feeling this film had been discussed here, but missed it the first time. It's well worth watching. Great story and an amazing cat too!
Bob is adorable & he's got great friendship with James Smiley:



Yes! There he is! I went into the film on a whim, like I said deciding to watch it because it had a cat. After the credits were about to roll, I came away amazed that it was a true story...and just as amazed that this was the actual cat Bob from the true, real-life story, "acting" in the movie! Cats are notoriously difficult to work with in film or TV projects...and here was a stray cat playing himself in this film! Amazing.

Again, highly recommended. Great film, a simply amazing story. 5 paws out of 5.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How did the BBís make money in the 60ís? on: Today at 04:26:17 PM
Thank you Stephen for sharing the information, once again your insight and experiences are invaluable and appreciated!

If I could add to your previous posts, there were accounts published in the Stephen Gaines book that were pretty specific regarding Nick Grillo and how he was dealt with by the band. I'd also encourage fans who may not be familiar with that part of the story to read up on that, and see if opinions on certain things change after hearing another side of the story. For one, Nick was involved in, as Stephen said, investments which would be normal course of action in terms of diversifying their income sources and also making (and saving) potentially boatloads of money. Those included land deals.

Grillo came out of it unceremoniously fired and accused of being a crook or a thief. He was vindicated and cleared. He was not a thief.

Get the common threads moving a few years later into the 70's and early 80's, and another manager, Mike's own brother no less, did similar things with investments in property. One specific deal, had the P.T.B. in the band at the time followed the advice, could have netted them millions in profit. Instead they balked.

Mike's brother came out of it unceremoniously fired and accused of being a crook or thief. He was vindicated and cleared. A court appeal found he was not a thief.

In both cases the band lost millions in potential revenue, and a manager got the brunt of the blame up to being accused of theft or malfeasance, only to have both cleared by the legal system.

I only bring that up to suggest it was nothing new in the world of the Beach Boys and finance combined with management.

And I have also heard, beyond what Stephen wrote above and what was reported in the book, how Brian would dip into his own pocket to pay the band's debts and bills from his own money much more than one time when the band was up against a wall financially. Brian bailed them out, more or less. More than once, and more than we will ever know about. So did Nick Grillo, for that matter.



4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Cats on: Today at 03:34:27 PM
Just passing on a tip to check out a fantastic film I just saw on Netflix to all the cat lovers out there. I may be the last person to know about this story, and it may have been discussed here too in the past, but...
It's good film, isn't it? 3D But yep, I did mention this film 1st police which amazingly nobody paid attention:


Did any cat fans, this thread attendees see "Street Cat Named Bob"? It's about real people - busker James Bowen & cat. I managed to download it recently, after many tries - liked it! Stars Luke Treadaway as Bowen. Cat Bob as Bob the Cat. What to expect? Cat close-ups from every angle Smiley (you'll be sitting with big smile looking at Bob's cute face), "people thru cat's eyes" camera work, cameo by real Bowen at the book signing at the end, rolling titles with picture slideshow with Bob & him, sweet elderly lady knitting tiny cat scarf (2 patterns). Bottom line: the must-see.

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai3hleBXRpo
Interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lUKCgRb9yk

Yes! I had a feeling this film had been discussed here, but missed it the first time. It's well worth watching. Great story and an amazing cat too!
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 10:57:54 AM
Again, just saying it could (will?) happen. Not that it would be uncontroversial. The more commercially minded entities presumably will always want to preserve their brands and generating revenue.

The fact is that all art is always a balance of art and commerce. Different people balance them differently. The ones making money are likely to see and like the opportunity to make more of it. There are innumerable opinions, but they're only that. The "right" thing to do doesn't really exist without defining a preferred end state. A band has its own right to define its own goals.

Right, and my own opinion, I think the phrase "No Wilsons, no Beach Boys" pretty much summed it up. As a comparison, sure he was essential and a terrific musician, but how many fans would buy the notion of John Paul Jones touring alone as "Led Zeppelin" without Page or Plant? It would be a laughingstock, as it would be if other bands of that stature were to have a similar scenario unfold. But again, that's all dead horse territory.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 10:53:28 AM
Thatís why I liked it when Al was doing ďThe Beach Boys Friends and Family ď. The name was honest

Me too. And that honesty in Al's case got him sued by Mike for causing "confusion".  Grin
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 10:47:17 AM
No, I don't think there are any such rock bands--though to be clear and fair, I don't really follow that many older bands all that closely, so it's entirely possible that I just don't know of any. But as I know KDS and I have discussed on occasion, it's entirely possible that KISS will be the first/one such band.

And in most cases, to be clear, I'm not saying I'd prefer some kind of replacements with a licensing deal. I'm just saying they have a right to do so and in this particular case, musically, the results could well be better. Obviously the ideal situation would be a band that just breaks up and stops touring so that it never comes to that. But...

And even with KISS, with me not even being a fan but still following the various dramas, Gene Simmons has been as divisive a figure among the diehard fans as we have seen with the BB's, and KISS is rife with feuds and squabbles and fan arguments surrounding former members who are not involved who either got the boot, or left on bad terms, and are replaced by Simmons as if they were no more vital to making the band who they were in the 70's as it would be simply giving the greasepaint and costume to a new musician to replace them, as they back Gene Simmons on his next run of shows.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 10:44:12 AM

Rock changed all that. For one, the core groups of players were just that - The bands were a core group of members that fans knew. Cite any example of the bands in the upper echelon and fans can name the core group. Anything less, minus the usual shifting of one or 2 members, wouldn't be the same.

Let me pose this as a question. I love the album "Time Out" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Would I pay to see a group calling itself "The Dave Brubeck Quartet" in 2018 playing that album live? I would not, because the key members are dead. It's as simple as that. If a group under another name were doing it, I wouldn't have an issue at all because they're not trying to take the name.


This would hold more water with me if the Beach Boys followed that model. But the touring band The Beach Boys has had dozens of people in and out through the years, and most audience members probably knew little to nothing about who was who beyond recognizing a couple of the principals. The Beach Boys have operated more like the jazz bands than they have like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin. If you can be The Beach Boys with one Beach Boy on stage, with non-Beach Boys in the band for decades, and with non-Beach Boys carrying prominent roles, then you can be the Beach Boys with one fewer.

Any damage to the legacy is already done. I'm reminded of the old quote "haggling over the price" line often attributed to Churchill and to Shaw.

As to the second paragraph I left, there is no question (for me) in it. You asked yourself a question: would you pay to see that band. You answered yourself with a no. And that's fine. I am not saying you would. But that's irrelevant to me.

I agree with you Captain.

Frankly, I think the current Mike and Bruce show is better for the legacy than some of the shows they were doing in the early 80s after Carl jumped ship, Dennis was in and out of the lineup because he couldn't keep himself clean, Brian sitting onstage doing very little most nights, and Mike, Al, and Bruce not really committing to rehearsing the material. 

Straight up direct question, and feel free anyone to insert this too:  Dead Horse

If the content of the shows is drawing people to them, why not just go out on tour as original members of this or any band as something like "...original members of (insert band name)" and not get tangled up in calling yourselves"The Beach Boys" or "The Rolling Stones" or whatever other name applies?

And it's not just the Beach Boys who have influenced my opinions of other classic bands who I love but whose squabbles and drama with which 2nd line member gets to book using the band name have kind of dirtied the rep a bit. Just my opinion, but there is something noble if that's the right word to a band calling it quits after it is unable to play with certain key members actually involved in the shows. And if those members left want to tour, they go out as their own name. There is something cheap to me about using a name to boost ticket sales if a majority of the members fans know aren't there. Again, not just the BB's.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 10:33:18 AM

Rock changed all that. For one, the core groups of players were just that - The bands were a core group of members that fans knew. Cite any example of the bands in the upper echelon and fans can name the core group. Anything less, minus the usual shifting of one or 2 members, wouldn't be the same.

Let me pose this as a question. I love the album "Time Out" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Would I pay to see a group calling itself "The Dave Brubeck Quartet" in 2018 playing that album live? I would not, because the key members are dead. It's as simple as that. If a group under another name were doing it, I wouldn't have an issue at all because they're not trying to take the name.


This would hold more water with me if the Beach Boys followed that model. But the touring band The Beach Boys has had dozens of people in and out through the years, and most audience members probably knew little to nothing about who was who beyond recognizing a couple of the principals. The Beach Boys have operated more like the jazz bands than they have like the Beatles or Led Zeppelin. If you can be The Beach Boys with one Beach Boy on stage, with non-Beach Boys in the band for decades, and with non-Beach Boys carrying prominent roles, then you can be the Beach Boys with one fewer.

Any damage to the legacy is already done. I'm reminded of the old quote "haggling over the price" line often attributed to Churchill and to Shaw.

As to the second paragraph I left, there is no question (for me) in it. You asked yourself a question: would you pay to see that band. You answered yourself with a no. And that's fine. I am not saying you would. But that's irrelevant to me.

Clumsy wording, my bad. Sometimes I'm better at multitasking than others.

But seriously, Captain - Are there any rock bands of note, and I don't mean C-listers like 1910 Fruitgum Company and the like, who are touring minus an original member? Genuine question, because I can't think of any.

And I guess my reasoning in asking that is how I would hate to see a group like the Beach Boys at some point becoming Foskett or whoever buys the rights going out as "The Beach Boys" with even less legitimacy minus even one guy who was actually in the band that created the legacy in the first place. It's a tribute band, not *the* band. There has to be a line drawn somewhere.
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Cats on: Today at 09:34:31 AM
Just passing on a tip to check out a fantastic film I just saw on Netflix to all the cat lovers out there. I may be the last person to know about this story, and it may have been discussed here too in the past, but...

It's called "A Streetcat Named Bob". Based on a true story, which I didn't know until after deciding to click on it and watch it because it had a cat in the film, the movie actually made my cry.

Anyone who likes a story about someone getting their ass kicked by life in general yet continues on with unexpected help from a loyal friend in the form of a stray cat that happened to wander into his life randomly one day...it's a great story and film. And it's about a musician too, extra points for that. Then I find out it was true, and there are books about it too which helped the real main character get out of the messes he was in...now i have to seek out the books.

Anyway, check out the film, especially if you like cats. It really made an impact on me.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 09:24:15 AM
Ah, but guitarfool....tribute bands steal clothes anyway. I wd favour continuity to stop that at least, or at least to reduce it

haha, I can see that. Honestly, and I don't mean to offend here, but it's become more than tired and played out to see upcoming concerts by various Beach Boys tribute bands and see all the members wearing Hawaiian shirts. I mean, guys...we get it. Fun in the sun, party, beach balls...etc. But it does make me laugh to see these billings and ads and it seems they are always sporting Hawaiian shirts. You don't need Hawaiian shirts just because you're a Beach Boys cover band. That's the kind of C-level showbiz hackery that I get a kick out of.

The tribute band that does it right? I mean this 100% seriously, no joke. The Fab Faux. Besides the fact that among the members are Will Lee on bass and Jimmy Vivino on guitar, two of my favorite players in general, they don't wear Sgt Pepper costumes or don fake moustaches and Beatle wigs to play the shows. They put all their energy into paying tribute to the music, and getting the minute details of the music spot-on, which is why I love them.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 09:13:56 AM
We do disagree Captain, I think the issue too is that the world of jazz, big bands, and dance bands that you're citing Count Basie as an example are a different universe with a different set of parameters than the rock and roll bands. Big bands since the 30's had shifting membership which fans of those bands (like my mom for one, back in the day lol) used to follow and keep track of who was in what band. Like who was Harry James playing with, where did *insert musician* end up now, etc. Like following a sports team and all the trades and deals that changed the roster.

Rock changed all that. For one, the core groups of players were just that - The bands were a core group of members that fans knew. Cite any example of the bands in the upper echelon and fans can name the core group. Anything less, minus the usual shifting of one or 2 members, wouldn't be the same.

Let me pose this as a question. I love the album "Time Out" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet. Would I pay to see a group calling itself "The Dave Brubeck Quartet" in 2018 playing that album live? I would not, because the key members are dead. It's as simple as that. If a group under another name were doing it, I wouldn't have an issue at all because they're not trying to take the name.

The big bands, like Basie, Miller, Dorsey? Yes, they all have touring versions and have for decades, long after the namesake bandleader had died...in Miller's case, since 1944. But they play the original book that everyone knows and expects to hear, and apart from the leader's name, there was never quite the same "core" group of musicians in any majority number traveling with those bands, with some exceptions.

But it's not quite the same scene as if we got a Led Zeppelin tour in 2027 with guys named Freddie, Jack, Smitty, and Sunny Jim playing the tunes instead of Page, Plant, or Jones. It would be a farce unless that group goes out as a tribute or cover band and didn't call themselves Led Zeppelin. I think in some cases like Zeppelin, fans would actually think it was so absurd they may even laugh at it instead of buying tickets, and why not at that point just do a tribute band like exists now for everyone from Led Zep to The Talking Heads at this point?
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Today at 08:45:03 AM
I'm not in favor of continuing a band's name and licensing it if no original members are able to be on the stage or studio. When it's The Beach Boys, one of the bands in the upper echelon of popular music history, there is a responsibility to the legacy that has to be upheld. It's more than a name that can be sold to the highest bidder - or former sidemen who want it to be able to charge more for tickets based on the name. Other groups who do the name license thing generally are not near the status of The Beach Boys. I cannot imagine anyone suggesting The Beatles, Stones, Who, Zeppelin, or anyone in that caliber of artists would continue touring without original key members.

14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's next solo album (NPP followup) speculation and info thread on: February 21, 2018, 09:14:05 PM
Waddy also played on the Paley sessions with Brian, and Blondie was in The Waddy Wachtel Band.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Name One Song You'd Wish The BBs Should Have Covered on: February 21, 2018, 06:34:05 PM
South American Getaway - Burt Bacharach


Oh man! Yes! One of my all time favorites, ever. The scene when this song plays under the montage in the film actually brings me to tears, it's one of the finest marriages of film and music I've ever seen. And the blooper they left in when Redford blows the scene outside the bank vault and Katherine Ross cracks up...that's a thing of beauty, right there. The art of imperfection.

Anyway...the track is Bacharach at his best. IMO. No lyrics at all, just wordless vocals yet still compelling.

But it would be very, very tough to match the incredible bass sung by Thurl Ravenscroft, the same guy who sang "You're A Mean One Mr Grinch" and was the voice of Tony The Tiger for years.

And the amazing Ron Hicklin Singers, Bacharach had the best on this track.

I'd actually love to hear Brian stack all those vocals himself, just for kicks.

For those who have not heard this 5+ minutes of vocal and arranging perfection, give it a listen here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCRbs_aNa30

Great choice.

Seriously, one of the more challenging small vocal group pieces you'll ever come across. Makes you appreciate just how good The Ron Hicklin Singers were, and they would go into various studios and knock this stuff out on a weekly if not daily basis. I've seen cover after cover and although some are great, none of the groups really get that blend 100% in tune like the original.

Thanks for giving me a smile with that suggestion tonight.  Smiley



16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 11:16:35 AM
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And OSD has decided to be silent ever since his original posts, I assume because someone in leadership told him that he screwed up and he should lay low. 

Nope. Haven't talked to him yet

I also have not had any contact at all.

Now both Billy and I have explained this publicly. That's it. No trickery, deception, or maliciousness. No underhanded, clandestine activities.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
May I please ask about this one more time- after my original post in this thread, a user who was offended was calling me out in other threads that I wasn't a part of, and they also for whatever reason have multiple SSMB accounts and they used 2 accounts to talk smack to me.  Is one or both against the rules?  Will anything be done about that?

I would honestly call it a gray area: while two accounts arenít allowed, OldSurferDude had an old account here that he got banned from, iirc he lost his sign-in information after a long-time ban and made the Legendary account. After that the mods let him reset his password for his original account but OSD just started using his Legendary account as well. Iíd say since heís not trying to hide his original monicker with his newer account (everyone knows theyíre both OSD as both of their names imply) and everyone knows theyíre the same poster itís not really a problem.

As for him defending himself after you called his comment toxic pollution, as someone else said, you kinda put yourself in that situation. As for him dedicating a song to you, not sure if Iíd classify that as bullying but get clarification from GF or Billy about that. I think I mentioned it before, but PMing both mods may give you a quicker response.

That's how I remember the situation and why there are two accounts in this case. The login was blocked on the original, so a new one was set up, and when all the board mechanics got sorted out, the old one was accessible too. Nothing underhanded going on, just an old issue which was preventing logins, and this account wasn't the only one which has had similar issues since.

That's how I remember it - If I'm wrong, please correct, but there were login issues if I recall.

It's not the same issue as, say, Steve or his multiple accounts coming on with aliases to bash me.

Okay, why does he continue to actively use 2 accounts then?  If there are no login issues anymore then 2 shouldn't be necessary.  They both have 1300-something posts on them.  If 2 accounts aren't allowed, then this shouldn't be allowed.  Unless the guy secretly pays the server fees for this board or something, and gets more freedom to disregard the rules that everybody else follows.

And this actually really isn't that far off from Steve.  Just that one (OSD) is overtly out in the open and the other one is marginally, but not very well, attempting to be cloaked and failing at it.  

And OSD has decided to be silent ever since his original posts, I assume because someone in leadership told him that he screwed up and he should lay low.  

Kid, I donít even think OSD would care if the mods deleted his original account. The difference between OSD and Steve (if heís really doing some alias thing) is that OSD isnít trying to hide under multiple monickers for the sake of pretending to be two or more people. OSD is clearly OSD and both account names clearly show that. There isnít anything sinister going on, its an account snafu that honestly doesnít benefit OSD in the slightest, and again I say, Iím sure he doesnít care at all if one of those accounts gets deleted.

Iíll offer the same advice to you for the third time: contact the mods via PM. Iím sure someone here will eventually address your concerns publicly, but in my time here whenever I have an issue to discuss with any mod the fastest way to get a response is by contacting them directly, privately.

I've explained what happened in this thread, and privately too at this point to someone who asked last night in a PM. There have been other issues in the past few years that Billy and I have discussed and tried to fix where members were denied a log-in, for no reason. Some thought they had been banned, and I personally contacted several off the board to try to explain and fix the issues, which we did or tried to do in those cases. But there has been an issue with the board's mechanics that sometimes a trigger or block gets applied to accounts accidentally, or in error, through nothing anyone did.

Again I'm going on memory, but the account everyone is upset about had those same issues in the past to where another account had to be set up to bypass it, and that's exactly what happened here. Eventually I guess whatever blocks were being put on got worked out, and the other account was active again. There is nothing malicious, nothing sneaky, and no attempts to mask identities or log-in credentials. And the tighter blocking standards were put in place to help deflect both spammer accounts and overt attempts to evade bans and troll the board, as happened with Mike's Beard and a few others who created fake aliases and masked their identities after they had been banned, and then used the alias accounts to insult and attack, and criticize, other posters or simply act like fools instead of coming back on to post normally.

I hope that clears it up.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 08:53:59 AM
You see KDS, there is a lot of stuff that happens which you're unaware of, or which happened prior to you joining these forums, so before making assumptions or throwing charges on the table, you could always ask about the bigger picture first before assuming things are what you think they are when they're not. Or read my signature line for an example of simply refusing to accept what actually happened in favor of grinding an axe.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 08:50:35 AM
KDS - I explained what I wrote to you twice, and here you are again.  Grin

You explained how you saw it. 

That's fine if that helps you sleep at night.   But, I don't see how that "endgame" stuff was not directed at me.  You asked me the same question multiple times on direct responses to my comments, so it really doesn't matter if you specifically put KDS or not. 

And by the way, guitarfool (just so you know for a fact that I'm 100% addressing you), you posted an argument you were in from 2011.   Where we are in 2018, and you're arguing with me just to argue, trying to childishly say that you didn't ask me a question when the evidence shows otherwise. 

And you really can't see how this board has a "toxic" reputation?  Because, I'll tell you, guitarfool2002, the SSMB has a toxic reputation not because of you.  There are a lot good posters here.  NateRuvin, RubberSoul13, GoogaMogla (apologies if I'm butchering the name), KidPresentable, etc etc. 

I've gotten into disagreements with rab, Rangerover, HeyJude, and Billy before, but we can still have civil and friendly discussions. 

But not you, guitarfool2002.  You have to keep on pushing and pushing. 

That is why this board has the reputation is has. 



You don't seem to get it, KDS. That quote from 2011 was an alias of the same account that "Forrest Gump" came from. I posted it to show that this bullshit with this guy has been happening since 2011. Same account, same M.O. If he has or had an issue with me, he could have addressed it to me publicly or privately under his real name and not hide twice behind fake aliases in order to take shots at me.

If you twist my words into something they were not, as your friend and former member filledeplage has been doing for years to suit whatever argument is raging, I will call it out.



If that's the way you see it, more power to you. 

Did you ever question why said person has had a problem with you for seven years? 

I hope that same person is enjoying the audio I traded with him, and in return I've enjoyed what he sent me. After that post in 2011. We had some good conversations off the board in between all that. Don't know why this alias stuff got involved, but perhaps that's an issue to be discussed privately. I never had a problem with him at all.

20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 08:43:13 AM
KDS - I explained what I wrote to you twice, and here you are again.  Grin

You explained how you saw it. 

That's fine if that helps you sleep at night.   But, I don't see how that "endgame" stuff was not directed at me.  You asked me the same question multiple times on direct responses to my comments, so it really doesn't matter if you specifically put KDS or not. 

And by the way, guitarfool (just so you know for a fact that I'm 100% addressing you), you posted an argument you were in from 2011.   Where we are in 2018, and you're arguing with me just to argue, trying to childishly say that you didn't ask me a question when the evidence shows otherwise. 

And you really can't see how this board has a "toxic" reputation?  Because, I'll tell you, guitarfool2002, the SSMB has a toxic reputation not because of you.  There are a lot good posters here.  NateRuvin, RubberSoul13, GoogaMogla (apologies if I'm butchering the name), KidPresentable, etc etc. 

I've gotten into disagreements with rab, Rangerover, HeyJude, and Billy before, but we can still have civil and friendly discussions. 

But not you, guitarfool2002.  You have to keep on pushing and pushing. 

That is why this board has the reputation is has. 



You don't seem to get it, KDS. That quote from 2011 was an alias of the same account that "Forrest Gump" came from. I posted it to show that this bullshit with this guy has been happening since 2011. Same account, same M.O. If he has or had an issue with me, he could have addressed it to me publicly or privately under his real name and not hide twice behind fake aliases in order to take shots at me.

If you twist my words into something they were not, as your friend and former member filledeplage has been doing for years to suit whatever argument is raging, I will call it out.

21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 08:18:28 AM
KDS - I explained what I wrote to you twice, and here you are again.  Grin
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 07:58:49 AM

Fair enough.   But, it would be a lot easier to not take shots if I weren't accused of having an "endgame" (guitarfool) or "drinking the cool aid" (poster on BW Forum) when I post an opinion.   

I'd rather not do it, but this has to be corrected.

This was my "end game" post in question in context: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25544.msg629321.html#msg629321

And here it is for KDS to review, "end game" wording in bold:

Try some logic this time: All of the posts about Brian's health, how he looks frail on tour, how his stage presence is less enthusiastic than some think it should be (I guess...I have no idea), how it's a grueling schedule, how it must be hard on him, how bad it must be for his back, how it's hard being in your 70's and touring...

Seriously man, what's the end game to the point where all of that stuff keeps getting brought up in discussions? Why do you continue to bring it up, along with others, when Brian himself addressed the issue of his touring?

Is it not enough that the man himself as of a month ago says he misses touring?

If fans were to start saying the same things about Mike's touring, constantly harping on his appearance, his voice, mentioning his declining vocals, how he's not as agile as he was before on stage, his whole routine to where certain segments of the show are exactly the same as they were 5 years ago...you - KDS - would probably be among the first to say it was another case of "bashing" Mike.

So what is the end game with constantly posting about Brian's health issues and appearance when the topic of his tours comes up? Seriously.

I was all ready to mea culpa if I had actually accused KDS of having an "endgame", but I did not. It was a general, rhetorical type of question and comment both times. I asked twice, what is THE endgame. As in, why does this type of thing keep coming up over and over again.

KDS - I did not accuse *you* of having an "endgame" despite what you're telling people who read your post here. If I were accusing you I'd have said simply "KDS, what's your end game?". I did not.

I'd suggest reading more carefully before making accusations of what someone said.

I'd also suggest not following the lead of people like filledeplage who tended to pull this kind of thing when there was no factual ground to stand on to back up a claim - Just randomly make up quotes that never got said and things that never happened, run with it, and hope people believe it. I'd like to think you're above all that based on your posts about music.

I hope trying to clear that up didn't distract too much.
You asked me twice what the endgame is?  How the hell else am I supposed to take that? 

It's funny, rab lightened the mood with a good joke, things seemed to be calming down, and here you are again. 

KDS - I was away for 8 hours+ working without access to the board. When I returned I saw your message posted while I was away which reminded me of what filledeplage used to do, which is misquote or twist what someone said to make an issue to argue and blame. You did that above. I was asking specifically what is *the* endgame not directed at you. If I had directed it at you specifically, as in accusing you of having an endgame, I would have said "KDS, what's your endgame?".

I already explained clearly in my reply. If you can't understand that or accept that, that's your call.

Don't make claims that I said or did something I did not do or say.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 07:51:57 AM
May I please ask about this one more time- after my original post in this thread, a user who was offended was calling me out in other threads that I wasn't a part of, and they also for whatever reason have multiple SSMB accounts and they used 2 accounts to talk smack to me.  Is one or both against the rules?  Will anything be done about that?

I would honestly call it a gray area: while two accounts arenít allowed, OldSurferDude had an old account here that he got banned from, iirc he lost his sign-in information after a long-time ban and made the Legendary account. After that the mods let him reset his password for his original account but OSD just started using his Legendary account as well. Iíd say since heís not trying to hide his original monicker with his newer account (everyone knows theyíre both OSD as both of their names imply) and everyone knows theyíre the same poster itís not really a problem.

As for him defending himself after you called his comment toxic pollution, as someone else said, you kinda put yourself in that situation. As for him dedicating a song to you, not sure if Iíd classify that as bullying but get clarification from GF or Billy about that. I think I mentioned it before, but PMing both mods may give you a quicker response.

That's how I remember the situation and why there are two accounts in this case. The login was blocked on the original, so a new one was set up, and when all the board mechanics got sorted out, the old one was accessible too. Nothing underhanded going on, just an old issue which was preventing logins, and this account wasn't the only one which has had similar issues since.

That's how I remember it - If I'm wrong, please correct, but there were login issues if I recall.

It's not the same issue as, say, Steve or his multiple accounts coming on with aliases to bash me.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 21, 2018, 07:35:44 AM
Donít know if anything will be done about what you ask for but this surley will happen:

Sixstringstool will log in with ten pages of babble when two sentences would do. Heíd pretend to be the worlds greatest detective since Columbo. Heíd spend two of those ten pages taunting to whoever about examples over and over, taunting like a first grade bully. Then ol sixstring would say bullshit and/or f*** over and over . Then pat himself on the back. Then the ten people who post regularly here would chime in.

This is what you can count on. The other mods blindly let sixstring do this over and over. No wonder long timers also left. But they let ol sixstring do this over and over. Real becoming of a mod.


Happening since 2011 with Steve's aliases:

Maybe it isn't anything specific to the last few pages of this thread, but my point isn't to "argue" anything and instead to say I think Good Vibrations appeared on Smile in spite of what Brian was doing at the time with Smile: It was the current single and not part of a larger grand scheme Brian had in his mind for the song. Naturally the current single goes on the next album as I described a few minutes ago. Good Vibrations had as much to do with Smile as it did with Smiley Smile. There, I said it. Cheesy

I admit I'm a bit warped sometimes in my thinking, but I'd rather see Good Vibrations considered on its own merits as one of the best singles ever recorded instead of part of Smile, which I think detracts from the uniqueness of both GV the single and Smile the album project.

Jesus dude!!....do you yak and yak just for the sake of yaking?
Give it a little rest...Please!



25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: WIBN in final (?) Nancy comic strip on: February 20, 2018, 09:33:42 PM
I personally lurk because it would be mighty awkward to post there with the issues I've had with a small segment of posters there, and would likely prove to be disruptive. (I know that wasn't directed towards me; I just wanted to throw that out there)

Doesn't that in itself suggest there are some issues if someone merely showing up to post would be disruptive because of a small segment of posters on a particular board who would object? A forum is either a welcoming place for fans to talk or it's not. If a small segment of people would start a ruckus when a fan showed up and posted, maybe that small segment is the problem that should be addressed.
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