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51  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Coolest-looking rock-stars on: July 24, 2014, 05:43:29 PM


If you thought that would change my mind, I knew those people were pieces of sh*t.


So tell me again how Bill Wyman isn't a paedophile because he was fucking a girl he met when she was 14 for 4 years until he married her.
52  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Coolest-looking rock-stars on: July 24, 2014, 05:17:12 PM

They had a relationship and got married when she was old enough. I hate paedophiles with a passion, they make me sick. I just don't think Bill is. He's not known to have been with any other underage girl. Look at his other relationships. Paedophiles are mainly attracted to underage girls (or boys), and prey on them constantly. Bill's not like that.
Also, put it this way. You're not Bill Wyman. You're not one of his friends. You don't know him personally. I'm just the same. You're essentially making an assumption about him.
If you still think Bill's a sick paedo, go ahead (and go bash Page and Bowie and Presley and all that)... but keep in mind what Bill's been like the last 20 years or so. If he wasn't back in the day, he sure as hell ain't one now!

So you hate paedophiles.

You should probably stop defending them then.

I don't defend them. I think Paedophiles either need serious help, or should be locked up. I'm 15, around the same age as Mandy when she was with Bill. The thought of a classmate of mine dating an old man who goes around dating other schoolgirls turns my stomach.

Say, Bill Wyman was maybe a paedophile back in the 80's for dating (and later marrying) Mandy Smith. Would you say he still is now when he's remarried, have a family, and doesn't cheat on his wife (unlike past relationships when he was in the Stones).

I would say he's a paedophile because he f***ed a 14 year old child long enough until he was able to marry her, which is sickening. His later life doesn't excuse this.

The fact you are unable to process that Bill Wyman was a paedophile is really fucking sad. But tell us about Hitler wasn't so bad one more time.
53  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Coolest-looking rock-stars on: July 24, 2014, 05:05:08 PM

They had a relationship and got married when she was old enough. I hate paedophiles with a passion, they make me sick. I just don't think Bill is. He's not known to have been with any other underage girl. Look at his other relationships. Paedophiles are mainly attracted to underage girls (or boys), and prey on them constantly. Bill's not like that.
Also, put it this way. You're not Bill Wyman. You're not one of his friends. You don't know him personally. I'm just the same. You're essentially making an assumption about him.
If you still think Bill's a sick paedo, go ahead (and go bash Page and Bowie and Presley and all that)... but keep in mind what Bill's been like the last 20 years or so. If he wasn't back in the day, he sure as hell ain't one now!

So you hate paedophiles.

You should probably stop defending them then.
54  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Coolest-looking rock-stars on: July 24, 2014, 04:53:38 PM
Please read what I've said. I think I've made quite a good point.

You are defending a paedophile.
55  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Coolest-looking rock-stars on: July 24, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
Bill Wyman's a pedophile.

What? No he isn't!

Yes, he is.
He started having an affair with a 13 year old girl named Mandy Smith when he was 48 years old. According to Mandy, they first slept together when she was 14 years old.

I'm not convinced he's a full paedophile. I mean, he was very promiscuous, and Mandy was the only girl he was with who was underage. And she did look a hell of a lot older than her age, Bill even thought she was at least in her 20's when they first met. They did eventually marry when she was around 19, though that fell apart quickly (because Mandy was ill around that time and Bill had to go on tour with the Stones for Steel Wheels).

Bill was highly promiscuous back in the day, and slept with over 1000 women. But he didn't really favour the younger girls. I don't think it's fair to call him a paedophile especially when compared to true paedophiles like Gary Glitter, Jimmy Savile, and all those scum.

I should mention the definition of Paedophilia:
"Paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children, generally age 11 years or younger. As a medical diagnosis, specific criteria for the disorder extends the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13"

And hey, if you still think Bill's a paedophile, then so is Jimmy Page and David Bowie (search up Lori Maddox).


You are a horrifying piece of sh*t.

'Bill was highly promiscous back in his day' - so he f***ed a 14 year old child.

'and she was the only one' - you mean, he f***ed a 14 year old child.

'and she looked a lot older' - but he f***ed a 14 year old child.

'I don't think it's fair to call him a paedophile' - he f***ed a 14 year old child.

'Unlike Gary Glitter, Jimmy Savile, et al' - like them, he f***ed underage girls.

And as for your sh*t definition of paedophillia, you may have heard of this thing called 'Statutory Age Of Consent' which means it's illegal to f*** an underage child. This girl in question was 2 years below the age of consent in England. Therefore, Bill Wyman is a goshdarn padeophile.


And the fact that you would defend him makes you a terrible piece of sh*t.
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 22, 2014, 06:32:49 PM
QUOTH RON,


I'm just saying, Brian doesn't have a fucking clue who any of these people are, and all of a sudden picks them out of everybody in the universe to record music with.  It's forced.  It's bullshit.  It's fake, and I can smell it a mile away.  This bodes BADLY for the album.  
I know plenty about modern music, I know all these artists and have heard all their music, and think they're all talented.

Your ignorant suggestion that I don't like the collaborations because one of them is homosexual shows your own insecurities.  First you brought up that I don't enjoy the collaborations because of homosexual reasons, then you brought up I don't enjoy the collaboration idea because they're not white.  

Apologize for that bullshit.  

I enjoy Kacey's song, and I listen to it, and I understand the simple context of the song, why you think you're the only one who realizes what the song is about is beyond me.  Why you think anybody would have a problem with the lyrics is also beyond me.


I'm just saying, Brian doesn't have a fucking clue who any of these people are, and all of a sudden picks them out of everybody in the universe to record music with.  It's forced.  It's bullshit.  It's fake, and I can smell it a mile away.  This bodes BADLY for the album.  


THUS ENDETH THE WORD OF RON




Oh poor Brian. He doesn't know what he's doing. He's just spouting to the press how much he loves what he doesn't know what he's doing because someone (spoiler alert, it's probably Melinda) is doing exactly what he's doing.

YOU GOOD MAN.

YOU'RE GOING TO SAVE BRIAN WILSON


YOUR NAME WILL BE LAID DOWN IN THE STONE TABLETS

YOU WILL BE CAST IN THE RUNES

WE WILL MEET YOU IN THE DARKEST PITS.

AND WHEN WE ASCEND TO WHAT WE THINK OF AS HEAVEN,

WE MAY CRY,

BUT WE MAY ALSO SMILE,

WE CAN CAUSE PAIN

BUT WE CAN ALSO CAUSE GOOD FORTUNE,

AND WHAT DOES GOOD FORTUNE BRING

BUT WAITING,

AND WAITING IS PURGATORY,

WITH THE PROMISE OF DELIVERANCE,

AND YOU, RON, HAVE BROUGHT US FORWARD.

BUT WE WILL ALWAYS KNOW,

WE WILL ALWAYS FEAR,

BECAUSE FEAR IS EVERYTHING



THANK YOU RON.


THANK YOU RON
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 22, 2014, 06:03:31 PM


Just because he may not be passionate about the guest singers, doesn`t mean that he hasn`t been passionately working on the music for the past 18 months.

Well... no... it kind of does mean he doesn't give a sh*t.  You can get a ton of examples of Brian not giving a sh*t on the last album he did that had guest artists.  Go check it out.  That's the whole point we're all trying to stab you with.  

So because GIOMH was crap then it follows that this will be a carbon copy?

The best indicator of future results is past experience.  

Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Fool me once, shame on Brian Wilson.  Fool me twice, shame on me!

etc. etc. etc.


Every one of the guests on this album is making good music in the last two years and is under 30. It's p much the exact opposite of GIOMH, if you actually knew anything about modern music.

I hope you're right!

I'm really impressed that you're sad about that fact that Brian Wilson is collaborating with some talented musicians who aren't old white men.

He should probably give Mike a call, right?

What is your problem?  First you mention that two of them are homosexual, then you bring race into it... WTF man? 

It's my opinion.  The guests dont' sound great.  It has nothing to do with what color their genitals are.

I thought you were into country, you must have heard of Kacey Musgraves. She ain't homosexual, but wrote a song called Follow Your Arrow. You'd probably like it if you didn't think about it.

The guests don't sound great to you because you don't know sh*t about modern music, dude! It's ok to admit that, you're old now, but imagine how your dad would have felt if Johnny Cash was collaborating with Nick Cave. Who's Nick Cave? Some eighties man who sang a song with Kylie? f*** that.


Ron, you know nothing about modern music, and thus don't understand how cool it is that Brian is recording with these people. But you've gotta stop this 'GIOMH PART 2' nonsense.

You have to accept that these people are actually better than Eric Clapton.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 22, 2014, 05:41:59 PM


Just because he may not be passionate about the guest singers, doesn`t mean that he hasn`t been passionately working on the music for the past 18 months.

Well... no... it kind of does mean he doesn't give a sh*t.  You can get a ton of examples of Brian not giving a sh*t on the last album he did that had guest artists.  Go check it out.  That's the whole point we're all trying to stab you with.  

So because GIOMH was crap then it follows that this will be a carbon copy?

The best indicator of future results is past experience.  

Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Fool me once, shame on Brian Wilson.  Fool me twice, shame on me!

etc. etc. etc.


Every one of the guests on this album is making good music in the last two years and is under 30. It's p much the exact opposite of GIOMH, if you actually knew anything about modern music.

I hope you're right!

I'm really impressed that you're sad about that fact that Brian Wilson is collaborating with some talented musicians who aren't old white men.

He should probably give Mike a call, right?
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 22, 2014, 05:30:18 PM


Just because he may not be passionate about the guest singers, doesn`t mean that he hasn`t been passionately working on the music for the past 18 months.

Well... no... it kind of does mean he doesn't give a sh*t.  You can get a ton of examples of Brian not giving a sh*t on the last album he did that had guest artists.  Go check it out.  That's the whole point we're all trying to stab you with.  

So because GIOMH was crap then it follows that this will be a carbon copy?

The best indicator of future results is past experience.  

Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

Fool me once, shame on Brian Wilson.  Fool me twice, shame on me!

etc. etc. etc.


Every one of the guests on this album is making good music in the last two years and is under 30. It's p much the exact opposite of GIOMH, if you actually knew anything about modern music.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 22, 2014, 05:17:04 PM
Yeah, I can't believe that the man who wrote 'I Just Wasn't Made For These Times' in 1966 is including a pro LGBTQ country artist and an R&B singer who is bisexual on his album. How terrible.
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: June 04, 2014, 06:01:00 PM




What a weird photo.  It's like their egos are LITERALLY making their heads swell up.

My god, is that Gaddafi?

Oh no, not again...  LOL
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Brian Wilson...Pro-Choice Activist? on: June 04, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
Bean Bag, why don't women deserve the right to choose what happens with their bodies?

 LOL

That's my question!

You are a misogynist ass.
63  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: May 28, 2014, 03:34:50 PM
I have mixed feelings about Robbie's decision to cut The Band short.

Like, when he talks about how horrible and destructive 'the road' is, he's almost certainly not talking about himself. Richard was essentially comatose drunk at this point, Levon & Rick were reportedly dabbling in heroin, EVERYONE was on coke (although I can't imagine Garth on coke...), and they were creatively spent. Islands was supposed to be the first release of the new 'studio era' of The Band and it's, well, lazy. At best. Their last album was only eight songs long, and whilst it has some corkers... eight songs? And it took them long enough to record!

I guess Robbie wanted to get them back to a clubhouse style of recording. Big Pink, The Band, Stage Fright were all recorded in that loose style. Shangri-La was supposed to be that. Instead, they just used it as a clubhouse.

But that's not what Levon and Rick wanted (I can't recall reading that Manuel felt too strongly either way, I guess he was too far gone and Garth was happy wigging out on his keyboards anywhere I suppose so long as he could keep up the maniacal side projects he'd grown accustomed to). They wanted to keep playing live, as they enjoyed it. And Robertson decided to just pull the plug abruptly.

I guess maybe it was the right decision pragmatically but Robertsons execution (pun slightly intended) made everyone hate his guts for the way it went down and ensured they'd never play with him again.

But on a happier note,

Everyone should check out this acoustic performance by Rick (guitar) and Levon (mandolin/harmonica), which is exceedingly cool - loads of folk and country tunes, along with ripping versions of It Makes No Difference, Down South In New Orleans, and Rag Mama Rag. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbH5MkKuMkI

(It sounds a bit watery but if you put it up to 480p it sorts itself out)
64  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Brian Wilson...Pro-Choice Activist? on: May 26, 2014, 04:07:41 PM
Bean Bag, why don't women deserve the right to choose what happens with their bodies?
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: May 26, 2014, 02:43:17 PM
Essential viewing! A making of documentary of The Band

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW7Z2bOJfmE
66  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: May 25, 2014, 03:19:00 PM
Aye, it's here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiEWeaM-D78#t=3881 That should go to the correct time, otherwise it's at 1:04:40

I think i was being uncharitable towards it being re-recorded - you can even see the horn section onstage and playing, even if you can't hear them (and they mixed up Robertson... obviously)  You can hear more Garth tho!
Very tasty. And Garth sounds great! Uncharitable? It was bonkers to re-record it. Thanks very much for that. :=)

I meant that they actually use the live take, edited slightly - the intro is cut down, iirc - and drastically remixed (you can't hear the horns on the boot) whereas I had previously thought they redid a whole lot of it. According to Levon, a lot of The Last Waltz's soundtrack was redone, but I haven't put in the legwork.

Rewatched The Last Waltz today, actually - didn't mean to jump down yr throat, Lonely Summer! God it's a miserable film. And a lot of the guest spots make no sense. Ok, Neil & Joni rocking up for Canada, Ronnie Hawkins & Bob Dylan make sense, Muddy Waters too... but Eric Clapton? Paul Butterfield? Neil Motherfuckin Diamond (god they all look so bored during his song).

But I'd totally go and steal baloney with Manuel & Danko. They the best.  Grin
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: May 25, 2014, 11:44:49 AM
Thanks for the link hypehat.  I'll have to set some time aside to watch more of that.  The cat posting, put that and some CSN&Y footage up just last April.  Cool, I had not seen the footage before.  Too bad it's B&W.  Hope it has some of the songs that were cut from the film.
You can hear Richard's piano more clearly.  He got the short stick on the movie version.  And I have never heard anyone say that Robbie made Martin re-do the stories.  That's a hoot.  "No, no Martin, take two.  Let me try that again.  With more emphasis on My story!  I'm the one the folks want to see."  I like Robbie, but his ego can be a bit much.  I haven't heard the boxset.  I'll check and see if it's gotten cheap enough for me to get a used copy.  You're talking about the big box with all the outtakes, right?

Dude, Robbie literally says something, then stops Scorz from following it up and goes to say it again with more gravitas! It's in the bloody movie! Leaving it in is a nice touch. The first interview segment shows them discussing what to say. It's a pretty bold move for a doc!
They were also apparently in big cahoots during the time, staying up late, doing coke, plotting the movie and gig, and it shows in the movie's focus on Robbie. In a way, it's understandable - the rest of the group range from completely wasted to simply reticent and uncomfortable during their interviews whilst Robbie will happily self-mythologize with his new best friend until the cows come home. He's the Canadian Mike Love.

I downloaded the box and it's great - has a lot of cool other things as well, like a rehearsal session, some demos. I wish it kept the poetry from the intermission (Lawrence Ferlinghetti!) but I think it's supposed to be the lot. 
68  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: May 25, 2014, 07:28:44 AM
I can't believe I didn't mention this at the time, but;

1) The Last Waltz version of Don't Do It is straight fire, it's pure funk, everyone going for broke, even Robbie's last solo sounds like he spent all his tricks and is going on sheer cocaine/adrenaline. Levon and Rick sing it like a suicide note.

2) The version on the boxset of the last waltz is obviously studio created - a boot of The Last Waltz shows that they didn't have the horns, or half of the vocal performances, bass, etc.

But I'll just play Don't Do It again....
hypehat, do you have a link to the hornless, untampered-with version? I can only find the Rock of Ages-style arrangement...  

I remember watching The Last Waltz in the cinema and jigging around so much during "Don't Do It"----which I could not believe!----that my wife moved to another row until the intermission!!! :=)

Aye, it's here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiEWeaM-D78#t=3881 That should go to the correct time, otherwise it's at 1:04:40

I think i was being uncharitable towards it being re-recorded - you can even see the horn section onstage and playing, even if you can't hear them (and they mixed up Robertson... obviously)  You can hear more Garth tho!
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: May 24, 2014, 07:34:07 PM
Can anyone recommend a good book on The Band?

Yeah, Barney Hoskyn's book is the one to get. Levon's (ghostwritten) autobiography has lots of cool sh*t about his youth and the early days but it gets a bit vague the further on you get into it.


I can't believe I didn't mention this at the time, but;

1) The Last Waltz version of Don't Do It is straight fire, it's pure funk, everyone going for broke, even Robbie's last solo sounds like he spent all his tricks and is going on sheer cocaine/adrenaline. Levon and Rick sing it like a suicide note.

2) The version on the boxset of the last waltz is obviously studio created - a boot of The Last Waltz shows that they didn't have the horns, or half of the vocal performances, bass, etc.

The ultimate failure of the last waltz is that in the attempt to show The Band as a truly great entity of 'authentic' music, they went back and f***ed with everything that the five men onstage actually did - "your last show wasn't good enough, do it again!"
Scorcese fucks with this notion of authenticity by showing the very nature of actually trying to film a band, from Rick trying to accommodate Scorcs in the cuthroat bit to Robertson requesting that he say bits of his interviews again so they sound more definitive.   

But I'll just play Don't Do It again....
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: The cigarettes thread Pt.2 on: May 23, 2014, 06:50:37 PM
Smoked since I was 16, moved onto e-ciggies last september after it f***ed with my voice a week before a show, and now i won't look back. Not wishing to rain on y'alls parade, but cancer seems like an ugly death and I'm only in my 20's, and the aesthetic downsides of smoking actual cigarettes  - the stank, crappy teeth, phlegm, setting fire to £80 a week, having to listen to fuckwits whilst trying to smoke a cigarette IN PEACE, DAMMIT, standing outside the pub in the rain trying desperately to light a sodden Pall Mall whilst passers by look at you funny, etc - outweigh idk, smoking as a social and internal (i used to love my first cigarette of the day, y'know?) thing. I dread summer because i'll be sat in pub gardens surrounded by smokers, tbh. E-Cigarettes seem like a knife at a gun fight.

I still need my nicotine fix, tho. Damn you, e-cigarettes.
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thinking About Making a 33 1/3 Book Propsal on: May 23, 2014, 03:27:41 PM
Amanda, you should totally do this - imo, the only barrier to it would be that there's already a Beach Boys book in the series (Pet Sounds), but it's not like you're writing about Summer Days & Summer Nights, this is a radically different project.

And I'm so heartened to hear you're not considering the awful 'novella based on the album' approach that a couple of them do, I mean Jesus.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did Al Jardine ever sing falsetto? on: May 13, 2014, 01:52:15 PM
Also every live God Only Knows.
73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anxiety, Fear, Panic Attacks, OCD on: May 13, 2014, 01:17:35 PM
Everything makes me anxious, had several of what I believe to be panic attacks. Things that are supposed to be totally stress-free and fun end up being terrifying due to so many unknowns, and I just over-think it like crazy. I often don't contribute to group conversations due to anxiety, just follow around like a dead weight.

I've been on Nortriptyline for well over a year now, for frequent severe migraines. It's done wonders for that, but nothing on the anxiety front (didn't even know it was prescribed for that). Nothing for anxiety. I'm just waiting it out until I'm an adult, hopefully it will iron itself out by then.

Zach my man, you should go to the doctor and talk to them - they can maybe alter your medication in light of your anxiety (i assume from your post they didn't know about it and just prescribed based on the migraines (which are THE FUCKING WORST, RIGHT)). You shouldn't have to 'wait out' anxiety when you can treat it now. Why deny yourself that?

As for myself, I started manifesting anxiety/depression etc after losing my job in January, the most debilitating effect being extreme insomnia (also getting really freaked out crossing the road isn't great living in a big city..) . I am on medication now (Mirtazapine) which has helped considerably.

Also, in general the taking care of yourself angle is a good one - eat healthily as best you can, get outside, etc.

Honestly, the cruelly ironic thing about this is my anxiety prevents me from telling doctors about my anxiety. Tongue I don't really know what I'm afraid of, but hopefully I can one day get past that. Also, hope you're able to work the job situation out soon (or already have)!



I did sort out the job sitch! It's nice, could pay a bit more and could have more regular hours, but it's good Smiley

For ages I thought 'but what if the doctor doesn't take this seriously' or 'what if it's not anxiety as per the DSM (or whatever) and I need to sort it out on my own' tbh, but it became a massive problem when it impacted my ability to sleep. I actually went to the doctor for my insomnia after about three days without sleep (and after having my sleep pattern f***ed up beforehand)  and he suggested it was down to anxiety or depression, at which point it seemed like a decent explanation. And he was right!

You shouldn't wait until something as debilitating as insomnia or worse comes your way, your doc is there to help you. It's literally their job description. They won't mind.
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anxiety, Fear, Panic Attacks, OCD on: May 08, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
Everything makes me anxious, had several of what I believe to be panic attacks. Things that are supposed to be totally stress-free and fun end up being terrifying due to so many unknowns, and I just over-think it like crazy. I often don't contribute to group conversations due to anxiety, just follow around like a dead weight.

I've been on Nortriptyline for well over a year now, for frequent severe migraines. It's done wonders for that, but nothing on the anxiety front (didn't even know it was prescribed for that). Nothing for anxiety. I'm just waiting it out until I'm an adult, hopefully it will iron itself out by then.

Zach my man, you should go to the doctor and talk to them - they can maybe alter your medication in light of your anxiety (i assume from your post they didn't know about it and just prescribed based on the migraines (which are THE FUCKING WORST, RIGHT)). You shouldn't have to 'wait out' anxiety when you can treat it now. Why deny yourself that?

As for myself, I started manifesting anxiety/depression etc after losing my job in January, the most debilitating effect being extreme insomnia (also getting really freaked out crossing the road isn't great living in a big city..) . I am on medication now (Mirtazapine) which has helped considerably.

Also, in general the taking care of yourself angle is a good one - eat healthily as best you can, get outside, etc.
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: VDP today on NPR said..... on: April 30, 2014, 08:39:20 PM
Has VDP ever been a part of a bona fide hit record, and if so, more than one?

VDP is one of the artists that Bougie people want to act like is a genius and to bougie people commercial success is nothing more than a sign that something is appreciated by the stupid, ignorant, unwashed masses.  That's the only way they can subjectively claim that somebody like VDP is better in any possible way than Britney Spears, who... objectively.... is better in every possible way than VDP.

So don't bring up a VDP wasn't commercially successful argument because anybody who's a fan of VDP doesn't care about commercial success.  

Ron, record sales aren't a marker of artistic success.... remember which board we're on when we debate the merits of Friends or Sunflower. They're bad. They charted below the hot 100. Horrible albums. Can't stand them.
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