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151  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 04:06:25 PM


The Patronage Of Culture
152  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 03:53:03 PM

The Brief Encounter



The Muse



The Rejected Pitch For A Western



The Next Generation
153  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 03:38:02 PM


The First Birthday
154  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 03:21:36 PM


The Prayer



The Bump & Grind
155  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 03:04:15 PM


The Study Of Literature



The Thug Life



The Getting From A To B



The Virtuoso



The Crucial Moment
156  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 02:57:59 PM


The Cover That Reveals That Mick Jagger Beat Mike Love To The Rap Game by 20+ Years.



The Cut Of The Shirt That Suggests Cleavage



The Tinker Tailor Soldier Mike Love



The Other Singer Who Goes By Mike Love And Presumably Has Never Googled His Own Name



The Monk



The Other Romantic Gesture
157  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Weirdest Photos Of Mike Love You Can Find on: September 12, 2013, 02:57:07 PM


The Studio 54



The Deliverance



The Seconds Away From Death



The Need For An Alibi



The Confused Message About Post-Colonialism



The Pleasing Sartorial Choice



The One That Is Labelled PIMP.jpg



The Artfully Shot Romantic Encounter



The Nightmare





I will tolerate no Mike Bashing in this thread. We are simply celebrating the insanity.
158  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the singing voice of each individual Beach Boy at its best? on: September 12, 2013, 02:18:59 PM
Dennis' peak for me was 1969-1972 - typified by the very cool sound he gets on  Help Me Rhonda (1972), I mean, what a sweet sound he's getting. Or the way his voice cracks just so on WIBNTLA, or Forever. He always had a gift for making very intimate vocals. Of course that didn't change, but I prefer his voice less ravaged by coke and booze I guess.
159  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Post Pet Sounds: Brian's vision vs the band's vision on: September 12, 2013, 02:11:53 PM
Why pour your heart and soul into making new music if it's reception at best is polite, scattered applause and at worst results in some idiot yelling out for Barabra Ann? Eventually you're going to think 'f*** it', give the people what they want, pick up a fat paycheck and go home. I think the band (including Mike) held out from becoming a touring jukebox much longer than some people want to give them credit for.
Absolutely correct. That is exactly what happened.

Of course they threw in the towel just as that sea change was taking place - I guess Capitol can be blamed for that, forcing their hand with Endless Summer.

But at least they didn't mix their metaphors, as I'm doing....
160  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could change one event/decision in Beach Boys history, what would it be? on: September 12, 2013, 02:02:25 PM
I'm gonna go with... not enough drugs were consumed.  More drugs, for everyone, especially Al!

But seriously, as a fan of "drugs" I can't help but cringe at Brian's now-standard "shouldn't have done those drugs!" line.   Not to mention, doesn't he also often say, and I'm paraphrasing, "Pet Sounds was the weed album, and SMiLE was the LSD album"?  And mind you, he doesn't say that with any regret, but with a little bit of pride, the kind of pride one has for one's earlier, wilder years. 

Sure, maybe he should've done LESS drugs.  But lets not forget the role drugs played in some of the BB's greatest stuff, not to mention pretty much all the music you like from every artist you like. 

I think what was wrong with Brian was already wrong with Brian, before drugs were ever introduced.  And I think the legal drugs Landy used did way more damage than the LSD.  (I assume no one here is complaining about weed...)

IMHO.


I can't tell whether this is trolling or not.
161  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could change one event/decision in Beach Boys history, what would it be? on: September 12, 2013, 04:55:52 AM
Mine would be for Dennis to make a stronger play for leader of the band in the early seventies, or for them to knuckle down and not accept contracts that explicitly require a majority of BW songs/just require a strong emphasis on Brian when he wasn't able to deliver fully. We could have had Dennis songs anchoring BB's albums rather than BW material fleshed out by the group.

Or, for them to record a stronger 12 track 1972 era record rather than rushing two 8 track albums in that period - CATP and Holland could make a solid extended record but they are a bit slight in isolation.


Just generally for them to have been a bit smarter in the early Reprise era, I guess? Just do whatever they could to not release 15BO
162  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Post Release MIC Track Discussion on: September 11, 2013, 04:57:50 PM
TBH it should be forgotten. Hasn't it been out of print since it was released?
163  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Undiscovered Gems..... What? on: September 11, 2013, 04:40:36 PM
'Made In Spotify'
164  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: September 11, 2013, 04:25:05 PM
I think the problem with Robertson's writing is that his storytelling can often become laboured. Like, Up On Cripple Creek clearly tells some kind of a story. It's a narrative. And so is, ooh, Daniel & The Sacred Harp.

But Cripple Creek isn't much of a story, it's a Tortilla Flat/Cannery Row kinda thing. It holds no great meaning. It's a shaggy dog story. Guy comes into town, he and Bessie have some fun, he leaves. Robertson sticks to the punchlines, the details are there when they need to be (an entire verse is about a horse race just to set up Besse tearing up his winnings 'just for a laugh', but then hey it has it's own little punchline too to keep you going). And, for me personally, you learn a lot about America and Americans by reading books like Tortilla Flat or Cannery Row.
But yeah, it's 'I went to Louisiana cos it's fun. Here is some of the really fun fun I had. I'm off now, somewhere, but I might be back'. With emphasis on the middle section.

Daniel & The Sacred Harp is literally a story, or more of a parable. Daniel hears about The Sacred Harp. Daniel goes off to find The Sacred Harp. Some time passes. Daniel comes back. He has... The Sacred Harp. Someone asks him how he got The Sacred Harp. He tells you about a guy he knows who got him The Sacred Harp. Daniel is sad because the Sacred Harp has a EVIL PRICE (that price just means you'll go to prison, tbh). He goes up on the mountain top and plays The Sacred Harp and notices a hackneyed manifestation of being a Lost Soul. Ner Ner Ner Ner. He goes for a dance in the fields, for reasons unspecified. And sells the rhythm section The Sacred Harp.

And for a song that detailed, it really doesn't explain a lot - Daniel just wants The Sacred Harp because... it's there? The guy just leaves him there and comes back with it? Yeah, I totally want a few lines of Levon singing about a guy sitting on his ass for 20 years or something rather than him singing about a daring harmonica heist and that guys odyssey to get some dude a stupid harmonica.

Also this song is about a harmonica, you can buy one of those for like £5, c'mon Daniel, why would you even want a second hand harmonica anyway that's nasty.

If that same approach was given to Up On Cripple Creek it'd be a verse and a half of him getting off the mountain. Or why Levon wants off the mountain. He'd never make it to Cripple Creek. It'd just be about Levon Helm having a boring time doing his menial job on the mountain and then it would finish with the first verse.

I think he gets confused as to what good storytelling in song actually is. I mean, you could sit and read Daniel & The Sacred Harp, sure. But you sure as hell can't listen to it.

165  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1983 Pet Sounds tour? on: September 11, 2013, 03:59:52 PM
The only way it couldn't be a car crash in 1983 is if Carl and Al did the heavy lifting instead of BW. And even then that's up in the air, given the general decrepitude of The Beach Boys at that point. Carl's 'I have a hard enough time keeping the band together!' is striking - obviously getting them to play music competently was out of his powers. That's a real shame.

In the 1995 instance, it's different - Obviously Brian's voice had changed drastically in tone but he had a lot of his upper register back, and more importantly had his confidence restored. Sadly, Carl seemed pretty artistically beat at that point, probably because of his illness.

I'm not sure about that. There are quotes from Brian saying how much he hated playing shows at that time and people have commented about how he still suffered from serious stage fright in the late 90s.

I was thinking more in the 'spent most of the time post Landy trying to make great news Beach Boys music and getting married and just generally being creative/happier' but absolutely.
166  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Undiscovered Gems..... What? on: September 11, 2013, 03:41:09 PM
Cor.... If it's actually something they're releasing, my first guess would be disc 6 of MIC released as a standalone? Reckon the record company might go for that.... for an odd reason.
167  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1983 Pet Sounds tour? on: September 11, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
The only way it couldn't be a car crash in 1983 is if Carl and Al did the heavy lifting instead of BW. And even then that's up in the air, given the general decrepitude of The Beach Boys at that point. Carl's 'I have a hard enough time keeping the band together!' is striking - obviously getting them to play music competently was out of his powers. That's a real shame.

In the 1995 instance, it's different - Obviously Brian's voice had changed drastically in tone but he had a lot of his upper register back, and more importantly had his confidence restored. Sadly, Carl seemed pretty artistically beat at that point, probably because of his illness.
168  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Favourite Member Of The Band on: September 10, 2013, 04:31:14 PM
IDK, there are shades of gray. You can accept Robertson's failings. I do it with Mike Love!
169  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Harry Nilsson: The RCA Albums Collection (17 CDs!!!) on: September 10, 2013, 04:29:08 PM
This set is really great btw, in terms of the music we are presented with. They really nailed it. Everything sounds amazing. And everything I want is here, that is in the sets remit - as a fan, I'd love other people to hear his vocal on Zip A Dee Doo Dah from the Hal Wilner Disney record, for example, as it's his last great vocal performance. But this isn't that set.

I do now have so much obscure Nilsson in great quality that I could die. I cannot complain. This set is the greatest, in it's own modest way.

Harry Nilsson forever.
170  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: September 10, 2013, 04:44:28 AM
Now I could have sworn that I read on the board that these acetates were auditioned by Capitol in the run up to TSS and there was nothing of note on them.....

And yet the descriptions of the track say otherwise. Alternate "children were raised". H&V with Great Shape.

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Anyway, we get to one of the acetates labeled "H&V". At some point, a completely new version of I'm In Great Shape starts playing. It was radically different from the versions in circulation (of which there is one with harp and saxophone, one with celeste, and one with heavy piano if I remember correctly)! This version of IIGS has more heavy instrumentation, but has the IIGS bassline. There was definitely percussion, maybe snares and other various pieces. It's pretty similar to the false barnyard instrumentation, and my guess is that it's on disc 1 of the link at the beginning of this thread (and is mislabeled, but I guess I can see how the two got confused).

At this point I thought "wow, amazing!", but then something really interesting happened! In two clearly spliced edits (speaking of which, I can't remember if IIGS had the tape distortion effect the earlier takes had, but if it did it was much, much more subtle), IGGS went directly into the harpsichord playing that's underneath "my children were raised, you know they...", from the official H&V single, but with the arrangement from H&V part 1 from the SS/WH twofer that goes into "healthy wealthy and OFTEN wise" (all with no vocals), then directly into the full instrumental arrangement behind "three score and five", and that then played out until the finish of the acetate. I cannot remember if the three score and five vocals were on top of the section or not...it all happened so fast and I was just caught off guard. Either way, it's the first time I'd heard that arrangement of those pieces, and it came straight from the men. So clearly this was the highlight to me.

The second biggest highlight for me came from Do You Like Worms. Maybe this piece is out there so forgive me for not having heard it. One of the mixes of Bicycle Rider on an acetate was the kick drum, and the oooga cha vocals, with very light harpsichord in the mix. It was extremely rhythmic and very punchy. It was nothing mindblowing, like hearing Ribbon of Concrete being sung would have been, but it just sounded amazing.

There is also a completely new/original keenywokapula vocal take on one of the DYLWs with a different mix. Not mindblowingly new, but mindblowingly great to listen to.

Er.....yes please!!!!!!!

Guys, these are in the hands of a private collector. Maybe someone who reads this board. If there was some way of finding out where they ended up, we could tentatively find out what it would take for us to hear these disks.


Ahh, I hate things like that, I'm inclined not to trust them.

'And then, a version of one song played, with some instruments on it, like... bass. And drums. It sounded like a thing that also has bass and drums, like Please Please Me or the Ode To Joy. Then it went into that part from the same song, but it was different, in a way I can't remember well enough to articulate in words. Then there was an edit, but I can't tell whether it's new as I'm not familiar enough with the song in the first place, and then the song played! But then it ended, in a way I also am unable to remember. It was raining outside, that I remember. Her eyes were blue. Raining so much. It didn't stop.'

Also,

'IGGS went directly into the harpsichord playing that's underneath "my children were raised, you know they...", from the official H&V single, but with the arrangement from H&V part 1 from the SS/WH twofer that goes into "healthy wealthy and OFTEN wise" (all with no vocals), then directly into the full instrumental arrangement behind "three score and five"'

This makes no sense? So the harpsichord plays Children Were Raised, with the arrangement from the 'Part One' mix over the top. But with no vocals. So it's a harpsichord part with a no vocals mix of an much faster acapella part on top of it? Do they just mean it's got the piano part of 'Often Wise' on it? I HATE THESE THINGS  LOL

If you give me your entire Beach Boys collection, I'll send you one snippet of H&V October assembly in an 8bit  MP3.

Deal.
171  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks on Twitter on: September 09, 2013, 05:56:46 PM
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIN
SOME LOUD CROW CRY UNCOVERS CORN FIELDS
OVER AND OVER AND OVER
I TELL HIM RIGHT AWAY NOW
WHAT'S A MATTER BUDDY
AIN'T YOU HEARD OF MY THRESHER
IT'S NUMBER ONE IN THE WHEAT FIELDS

I love you man
172  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks on Twitter on: September 09, 2013, 05:20:41 PM
The fact that he spit on the 2012 reunion alone makes him dead to me. 

You have got to be kidding.

Because obviously nobody had any reason to be ambivalent about the reunion, especially now, right?  Grin

 LOL





BTW Rocky such sarcasm means that you're dead to me  Wink
173  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Durrie Parks Smile acetates up for sale for $10,000 on: September 09, 2013, 05:15:51 PM
Now I could have sworn that I read on the board that these acetates were auditioned by Capitol in the run up to TSS and there was nothing of note on them.....
174  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Van Dyke Parks on Twitter on: September 09, 2013, 05:07:57 PM
The fact that he spit on the 2012 reunion alone makes him dead to me. 

You have got to be kidding.
175  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: September 09, 2013, 05:04:27 PM
Papa Was A Rolling Johnstone
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