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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Thread for arguments with or about moderation on: June 02, 2016, 01:20:13 AM
*Sigh*
So once again I am being dragged into other people's arguments about other other people's views on other other other people. (An argument I wouldn't even know about had someone not PMd me asking me about all this).

For the record, here's what I wrote https://andrewhickey.info/2014/07/20/why-did-mike-love-sack-brian-wilson-from-the-beach-boys/

Val saw that blog post and asked if she could reprint it in the BBB newsletter, as she's done with other things I've written on my blog. I don't know if she made any editorial changes to what I wrote, and I don't have a copy of the newsletter.

Debbie, in her posts, is putting things in quote marks that aren't actual quotes from what I wrote -- which I wrote with no agenda whatsoever other than that for two whole years the single most common search term that got people to my blog was "why did Mike Love fire Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys?"

Most of what I wrote there is simply summarising what was posted on this board. *NOTHING* in there came from Val, who I'm "an associate" of in the same way I'm "an associate" of about half the people in this thread. I didn't talk to Val before I wrote it (well, to be absolutely accurate, I had a chat with her a couple of weeks earlier at a Mike & Bruce gig. We mostly talked about her mum's health problems and her son's new job, as I recall). I didn't even know she'd *read* it until a few weeks later when she asked if she could reprint it.

I know, and care, nothing about any intra-fandom squabbling, or any agendas to promote one band or the other. If anyone wants to know what I think of Brian's current touring, see https://andrewhickey.info/2016/05/26/brian-wilson-al-jardine-and-blondie-chaplin-manchester-apollo-24516/ , and specifically the bit where I say:
"Brian was more on form than I’ve ever seen him. His voice has got noticeably frailer in the last few years (not worse — just aging), and he’s relying more on the other vocalists than he used to, but he still took about two thirds of the leads, and did a good job. Some have been saying “Brian should retire” and so on in their reviews. No. He’ll never be a great singer again like he was in the 60s and 70s — though he’s still very, very strong as a harmony singer, actually — but he’s as good as he ever has been since he started touring solo in the late 90s, and he’s more enthusiastic than I’ve ever seen him."

One thing I don't mention there, incidentally, is that Probyn gave me a huge hug, pointed me out to people around him, and said "this man is my biggest fan!" -- hardly something likely to happen with someone dedicated to destroying Brian's career or whatever it is I'm apparently doing.

I am part of no conspiracy, agenda, or affinity group. I love Brian, his band, and his music. I also enjoy Mike's band and don't actually see any reason why I can't or shouldn't like both. My opinions are my own -- right or wrong -- and I am *absolutely fucking sick* of being dragged into other people's drama. I've deliberately not posted here for months, because it's become an utter fucking sewer and has been *severely* affecting my mental health. Stop dragging me in to fights that have nothing to do with me.

If what I wrote was inaccurate -- and it may be, just because *I* think people are trustworthy (the word I used, not the "unimpeachable" that Debbie keeps putting into my mouth) doesn't mean my judgement is correct -- then it's just that. Inaccurate -- *NOT* part of some campaign to destroy Brian. And if it's accurate -- which I still think it is -- then it doesn't reflect badly on Brian, his management, or anyone else involved *one iota*, at least in my opinion.

As I say *in the very post that Debbie is pointing to as evidence that I am in some way part of some vast Kokomaoist conspiracy against Brian*:

"Brian Wilson is responsible for at least 85% of what I like about the Beach Boys, and a vastly more talented artist than Love. If I had to pick a side, I would pick Brian over Mike every time, but I simply don’t think there is any value whatsoever in choosing goodies and baddies and fighting for one side in interpersonal problems between people I don’t know."

The backstabbing, snide insinuations, and general nastiness on this forum have already gone a *LONG* way towards destroying my love of the Beach Boys' music. Please, just leave me out of your petty arguments and vendettas -- and please, also, if people *do* try to drag me into their arguments, could people *just not tell me about it*? I avoid the Sandbox for a reason, and don't appreciate being PMd about stuff in it.

Leave me out of your petty, stupid, squabbles. I want no part of them.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Book released October 11th on: April 09, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
Once again Emily talks more sense than everyone else on the board combined. All sorts of excuses can be made for what happened, but from about 1976 through to Landy finally being gone -- more than half his adult life by the time it ended -- Brian was in a hellish situation, not of his own making, and *no-one* seemed to be acting in his interests.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Happy Birthday No Pier Pressure on: April 09, 2016, 04:11:17 AM
I haven't looked at other similar contemporaries, but I would imagine for artists from, say the 60s or 70s, the more "hits" and "well-known" songs they have, the less likely they are to continue to add in a ton of latter-day album material (albums that spawned no "hits"; even if well-received by the fan base, and even in McCartney's case sometimes get Grammy nominations).

Yep. For example, the Zombies released a new album last year -- and immediately dropped the songs from their 2011 album from their setlist. That had in turn knocked out the couple of songs from their 2004 album that were in the set. Ray Davies' current standard setlist has two new songs, two mid-late 70s Kinks tracks, and everything else is from 1972 or earlier.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Book released October 11th on: April 03, 2016, 06:25:48 AM
There's a real Yoko kind of sexism to this stuff about Melinda. It grates.

Yep. Much like with Yoko, it's a way of making sure you can keep a perfect image of a male rock star, by blaming anything you don't like about his decisions on his wife.
Those who know Brian say he's happy with her, and that really is all that matters.


I wonder what the people would say to John Fogerty whose wife has a similar big influence on him and his solo career of the last twenty years as Melinda. 

Almost certainly the same things. It happens with every rock star whose wife has an influence on their career -- Lennon, of course, but people said similar things about Linda McCartney (til she died and became an untouchable saint), Courtney Love... Zappa fans say similar things about his widow (again, I wonder if that'll stop now she's dead), Monkees fans said it about Davy Jones' wife in 2011...

Some of it might be true, even. I've never met Melinda, or Yoko, or any of the rest. Any one individual among them might be horrible. But there's a common pattern to these stories of controlling wives, and the more someone's image fits that pattern, the more likely I am to believe that the image is being distorted to fit...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Book released October 11th on: April 03, 2016, 01:34:29 AM
There's a real Yoko kind of sexism to this stuff about Melinda. It grates.

Yep. Much like with Yoko, it's a way of making sure you can keep a perfect image of a male rock star, by blaming anything you don't like about his decisions on his wife.
Those who know Brian say he's happy with her, and that really is all that matters.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What songs did Mike Love \ on: April 01, 2016, 01:48:39 PM
The song was "Surfin'" and not "Surfin USA", that is correct.

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm remembering it wrong, but Surfin USA was not part of the 90's credits lawsuit, and for a very confusing maze of credits, trace the history of Surfin USA releases since it first came out. It was published/owned by Arc Music, which is where many of the Chess label's music resides, including Chuck Berry. Credits on various releases ranged from "Brian Wilson" to "Brian Wilson - Chuck Berry" to "Chuck Berry" and going so far as "words and music by Chuck Berry". The latter is obviously not the case, factually...so why does it appear that way?

Murry signed over the song to resolve the copyright claims with Chuck's Sweet Little Sixteen.

Which means, if Mike had wanted to claim credit for Surfin USA, he'd need to bring Arc and Chuck Berry into a court case, separate from where he took Brian to court over the 79 songs, since Chuck and Arc technically "own" Surfin USA ostensibly thanks to Murry 50 years ago. It's almost comical to see Arc's catalog of song titles and see one and only one Beach Boys song on that list, even though Chuck Berry did not write a single word of that lyric, and the main hook of the melody sounds nothing like Sweet Little Sixteen.

Wonder why Mike didn't take Arc to court over claiming that lyric credit, since it's one of the most familiar songs in the Beach Boys discography.
It would be almost an impossible suit to win, if Brian/Murrayould have made an agreement to split copyright, there may be a case. The reason I was looking for if Brian ever suggested Mike wrote part of Surfin USA, is someone mentioned on another board they
saw Brian say it in an old interview, was trying to find that interview and found that.

I think in some ways it would be an even easier case to prove if Mike had chosen to file a claim against Arc for publishing and even whatever interest handles Chuck Berry's songwriting affairs, since it is absolute 100% fact that Chuck Berry had no involvement in writing the lyrics to Surfin USA, yet on many credits he's listed as writer for both music and lyrics - thanks to Murry back in the 60's. But it's a matter of who to take to court and how Mike I guess could have shown a court that he had a hand in writing those words.

In that case, though, it's not a matter of who wrote it. The song was given in full to Berry because it was plagiarised from his work, and so I suspect it'd be like the Verve's Bittersweet Symphony, which is credited to Jagger/Richards because they used a sample of a string arrangement of The Last Time without permission... Jagger and Richards had nothing to do with writing the song, or even writing the bit of string arrangement used, but it still belongs to them now.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: April 01, 2016, 01:36:54 PM
I can't imagine Al dislikes Honkin'. While it was apparently Adam Marsland getting Al to cover the song in a gig they backed him on that first got Al reacquainted with the song, I don't think he would have put it in his album if he was kind of "meh" about it.

Perhaps Al realizes it's a goofy song, and maybe he worries non-hardcore fans will ask WTF? But I doubt he dislikes it.

I think fans lately have only been asking for that song because they figure it's more likely because Brian wrote it and Al sang it originally, and Brian has an affinity for Love You. There are other Al songs I would pick over Honkin'.

Al talked before the reunion tour, and again in 2013 I think, about how much he likes Love You, thinks it's an underrated album, and would like to do some songs from it live. Between that and him including it on his solo album, I can't see it being a song he has any problem with at all.

If the reaction to that review was part of the reason it was dropped, and if as we're often told people in Brian's "camp" read this board, I do hope they will pay attention to the calls to reinstate it. It's a great song -- as are the other songs they cut. Whatever the quality of the performance, which obviously I didn't see, the reviewer was definitely wrong about the songs he picked to complain about.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: April 01, 2016, 04:47:36 AM
Interesting... I've been told by an FB friend that Brian was told of the less-than-flattering SMH review. Don't know if it was just "Brian, some dude gave you a really bad review" or if someone read it out to him. Hopefully not the latter: it's widely known that I'm not overprotective of Brian, but really, did he need to know this ? Hopefully whoever was responsible was censured. Maybe that's why the second night was a 180 turn.

Uh... can someone write a really, really bad review of the Cardiff gig, please ?  Grin

Yeah, it's bad enough for normal artists to read bad reviews, but for someone with Brian's problems, that could really hurt.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What songs did Mike Love \ on: April 01, 2016, 12:29:58 AM
Someone refresh my memory.  - what songs did Mike give testimony in court concerning his exact contributions?  I thought before the trial got very far along, they wanted Brian to testify, he freaked and rolled over and gave Mike everything he asked for.

As for 409, I feel it's very similar to WIBN - Mike came up with a two line bass vocal for the fade, while for 409 he came up with a five word intro bass vocal - "she's real fine my 409."  The giddy up, giddy up 409 bass backing vocal took a phrase already written by Usher and Brian and put it as a backing vocal - that's arranging, not writing.

I've taken him saying he came up with the "giddyup 409" part to be him saying he actually came up with that phrase, which given the simplicity of the lyric would mean he'd written about a third of the lyric just from that one line. If he did only suggest using the already-written phrase as a backing vocal line, I agree that's an arrangement contribution.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Is Steve Love A Credible Source? on: March 31, 2016, 01:38:06 PM
Also Chynna Phillips' name is spelled like that, not "China", the band she was in was Wilson Phillips, not "Wilson and Phillips", and she never toured with Al (though Owen Elliot-Kugell, Cass Elliot's daughter, was briefly in Al's band).
More poetic license one assumes.
(I do agree with Rocky about one thing -- Brian's band are astonishingly good -- though unlike him I'm basing that on actually having heard them play...)
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian Wilson CD for Pre-Order on Amazon on: March 31, 2016, 10:43:59 AM
First, don't bother clicking that link, anyone -- it's an "add to shopping cart" link rather than a link to the product page.
Second, I assume this is a reference to the CD discussed at http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23557.0.html -- you'll find all the information and discussion there.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Could Mike have written the lyrics for Pet Sounds? on: March 31, 2016, 10:20:33 AM
Pet sounds is light years ahead of the Mike influenced summer days and nights lyrics. BW had something to say in pet sounds that Mike's formulaic approach could never express.

How about Mikes lyrics on Today?

Not as good as Asher's, frankly. Expressing similar sentiments, but much less eloquently. Mike's lyrics were often witty, and had a certain hip glibness, but with rare exceptions he doesn't seem to have spent much time crafting them, and he also doesn't seem very prone to introspection as an artist.
The lyrics on Today don't really stand up all that well when separated from the music, while at least some of Asher's do. I think that the only consistently great lyricist ever to work with the Beach Boys was Van Dyke Parks, but at least some of Asher's lyrics are as good as one could hope for for those songs.
Some of the better lyrics on Today are about on the same level as some of the lesser lyrics on Pet Sounds (That's Not Me, I'm Waiting For The Day -- which I know Mike's credited on, Here Today -- interestingly all songs with a greater than normal Mike presence for the album...), but I don't think Mike even at his very best was ever capable of a lyric like God Only Knows or Caroline No.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: March 31, 2016, 09:43:57 AM
The PS tour tickets are relatively expensive, it's a big production, it has no "opening act", so I think a 38-song setlist (instead of 32 or 33 last year) is a fair compromise, though I wish the shows would get more into the 42-46 songs regularly done on C50. But I fear we're going to see the setlist trimmed down a bit instead of get larger.

I'd like to see the setlists get even longer than that. The UK Pet Sounds tours in 2002 regularly topped fifty songs, and that was without Al or Blondie to take up the slack.

(If Brian's feeling really competitive with Mike... well, Mike did sixty-song sets last year. Just saying Wink )

But I won't complain about thirty-eight songs when plenty of bands do much less... I do hope you're wrong about the setlists getting shorter though -- as you say, it's an expensive show, with no support, and while it pretty much *has* to be an expensive show with that many musicians to pay and transport, there's still the question of value for money.

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So yeah, let's lobby for a few solo spots for Al and Blondie. For that matter, they could have the entire band, sans Brian, come out and do a mini Al/Blondie set of less Brian-centric songs. "Lookin' at Tomorrow", etc.
Absolutely. I think the band-minus-Brian thing less likely than a mini acoustic set though.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: March 31, 2016, 08:54:48 AM
I think both Al and Blondie *could* be utilized much more. But if it's a "Brian Wilson" show and not a "Wilson, Jardine, & Chaplin" show, how much of a main role should they play? I think a cool compromise or alternate idea would be like what Ringo Starr used to do with his All-Starr bands (and maybe he still does it now), which is to give the guys a few solo tracks in between sets. Brian can chillax back stage, and Al can come out solo or with small accompaniment and do "Santa Ana Winds" and/or something else solo. Same with Blondie. A 3-4 song solo set from Al and Blondie (or heck, get Matt or Darian in there for a song) would be a nice *bonus*, a little respite that wouldn't feel like it's horning in on Brian's main show.

That is a REALLY, REALLY good idea. It'd give Al a chance to promote his solo CD some more, let us get to hear some unusual songs, let us hear more Al, and give us a longer show without overworking Brian. I can't really see a downside to the idea.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Could Mike have written the lyrics for Pet Sounds? on: March 31, 2016, 08:45:29 AM
The question is kind of strange to me, as anyone could have written the lyrics for Pet Sounds, but if anyone other than Tony Asher wrote them, they would be different lyrics.
My personal opinion is that if Mike wrote them, they wouldn't be as good.
I know Warmth of the Sun is much celebrated, and the sentiment is fine and the music is glorious, but the lyrics are rather clumsy. Same with In the Back of my Mind. Please Let Me Wonder is the same, though not quite as clumsy. Good Vibrations same but only a tiny bit clumsy.
Tony Asher's lyrics are a little workmanlike at times, but rarely straight-up awkward.

I agree about Warmth of the Sun -- I really don't think the lyric is up to much at all, and everything good about that song is in the music -- but I can't agree about Good Vibrations. I think it's a rather brilliantly constructed lyric actually (apart from "excitations" which is a dumb rhyme, but catchy enough I'll give it a pass). The way the first verse grounds everything in the sensory world -- invoking sight, sound, and smell -- before moving into the extrasensory, psychic, world of the chorus and second verse, is quite extraordinarily sophisticated for a pop song at that time.
I'm not generally a fan of Mike's lyrics (either the undisputed ones or the songs for which he won credit later) at all, but I'd put that one up with any lyric of the 60s.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: March 31, 2016, 08:35:14 AM
I do hope Honkin' and Wake The World make it back into the set for the UK shows -- they were probably the two most exciting inclusions on the first night's setlist, at least for me.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What songs did Mike Love \ on: March 31, 2016, 07:28:16 AM
And it's been shocking how little he contributed to some songs that he is now credited with a third or a half credit.  woudn't it be nice and 409 come to mind.

I think the credit for 409 is fair if, as he claims, he came up with the "She's real fine, my 409" hook and "giddy-up 409" line, that's a good chunk of the finished song, both music and lyrics. The song would be unrecognisably different without them.
The Wouldn't it be Nice credit, though, is risible. Even assuming he wrote the two lines in question, which I think Asher disputes, they're an absolutely minimal part of the song.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What songs did Mike Love \ on: March 31, 2016, 03:46:56 AM
Which I believe has always been Mike's only claim, he made a contribution to some songs that was not credited. Sometimes he was un-credited for a line or two and sometimes he was un-credited for the entire lyric, he's usually been pretty specific about the extent of his contributions.  I believe Mike has said he was also under-credited for some songs that he did get credited for (like Asher claims he was).

He's been specific about a handful of songs, but I don't think I've ever seen him talk about a lot of those mentioned in this thread. I don't know if he wrote the whole lyric for, say, Amusement Parks USA, or if he just suggested the change from "do amusement parks, USA" to "mess around at the park all day" in one chorus. (Not saying that was his actual contribution, just talking about the different levels it could have been -- I suspect in that case the lyric is all Mike's work).
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis Wilson Clues on: March 31, 2016, 03:00:59 AM
Were that the case he would have struggled to surface, not curled up on the bottom.

Maybe I'm being naive.  How could someone just choose to sit on the bottom and drown?  If you try it the next time you are in the water you would find how difficult it is to curl up at the bottom without floating back up.

Then there is the body's natural reaction to scramble for air and try to get to the top.

I'm sorry but I find it hard to believe Dennis just 'gave up'.  The eyewitnesses said he was in good spirits that day.  He had overcome far worse than his financial problems at the time and losing the boat.  It was a tragic drowning accident.

He was found underneath the boat. The boat would, presumably, have stopped him surfacing if he was under it. I don't like to speculate on what happened, but being under, rather than near, the boat, does change the logistics of things, whether deliberate (choosing to be under the boat so he wouldn't come up) or accidental (being under the boat when he ran out of air, unable to surface because the boat was in the way).
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: March 31, 2016, 02:46:40 AM
I know a lot of you may criticize me for saying so, but I also don't think Brian deserves to have to go through all of the hassle to be out on tour. 
He should be relaxing at home, and enjoying his life.   If he wants to record from time to time, so be it.  He's had a great career and has nothing more to prove. 
But he shouldn't be touring anymore.  Just doesn't need to do it anymore.   He's never been one for life on the road.

This is to assume that Brian doesn't want to tour and sees it as an imposition, rather than as something he either enjoys or believes to be good for him.
I don't believe Brian is being coerced to tour, and I don't believe that if he was his band members would go along with that coercion. I believe that he either sees it as something he enjoys, or as something that is good for his mental health in the same way running is good for his physical health.
One big advantage of having Al, and now Blondie, to take some of the leads is that it means Brian's bad nights don't have to be all bad. The show I saw in 2014 (the only Brian/Al UK show so far) was clearly an off-night for Brian at first -- he was missing cues and forgetting to sing at all -- but having Al there took enough of the weight off that he was able to get through a very rough first half of the set and do a transcendently gorgeous second half, with the best live God Only Knows and Heroes & Villains I've ever heard.
I think this is a genuinely good thing for Brian. I also think that even when Brian's at his worst, his band are capable of putting on a great show. I hope his performances get better than people are saying this one in Australia was, but even if they don't, I'll still look forward to the two UK shows I have tickets for. I'll be there as much to support Brian as to enjoy the shows, anyway -- but I'm certain I will enjoy them.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What songs did Mike Love \ on: March 30, 2016, 11:15:22 PM
Aww. I thought the thread title was a punny "What songs did Mike love?"
Anyway, I always thought it was strange that writers used the lyrics to "Good to my Baby" and "She Knows me too Well" to analyze Brian. I always thought the machismo in those lyrics were much more Mikish, but I may be projecting a sensibility onto Brian that isn't there.
By the same token, I agree about Back of my Mind - the fact that Brian returns to it reinforces that for me - and You're so Good to Me.

I don't think She Knows Me Too Well is at all machismo-ish, myself. It's talking about a theme that's *very* common in Brian's writing -- the flawed, hurtful man who is redeemed by the love of a woman who's much better than he is, and who's scared of losing her. We see that in everything from Don't Worry Baby to Don't Let Her Know She's An Angel.
Which isn't to say Mike didn't have a hand in writing it. We know that the way their collaborations worked at that time mostly involved Brian coming up with a track and title and Mike writing words to it -- it doesn't seem at all implausible that Mike would be able to finish a half-finished Brian lyric.
As for In The Back of My Mind, I'd bet that's 90% Brian's lyric, yes -- but there are a few bits in there that sound more Mike (notably "I try to rationalise/But some day I might realise" -- that sounds like Mike's too-clever-by-half rhyming to me), and remember that the 1975 version has distinctly different lyrics in places.
My personal guess is that Rocky is exactly as trustworthy as he seems -- not at all. I expect that in almost all the songs Mike won credit for, he made *some* contribution. But I'd also bet that if we knew what that contribution was, in some cases (maybe quite a few) many of us would think it wasn't worth him getting equal credit for it. I'd guess that some of the songs mentioned here, he only added a line or two (like with "good night baby/sleep tight baby), while on others he wrote the whole lyric or very nearly all.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love book out in September on: March 30, 2016, 12:05:58 PM
Really. Having to reach for reading-specs nowadays, I can't bemoan an audiobook format. And if it benefits those who benefit, all the better. Don't try to twist what I said.

Simply, because of all things Love, there's something funny about a Mike Love narration. When that nasal kicks in, it's gonna be funny. But then again, as the saying goes, your mileage (and sense of humor) may vary.

I'm not twisting what  you said. You complained that Mike would spend time recording an audiobook (or as you called it "a thespian reenactment of his book" and "his audio re-enactment") but not watch Love and Mercy, and you acted like it was some massive ego-trip on his part.

And no, I don't have much of a sense of humour about disability accommodations, as it happens.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: March 30, 2016, 10:42:05 AM
He also doesn't understand either the fanbase or Brian very well if he things "Cabinessence" is both an equally plausible and more preferable setlist choice to something like "Funky Pretty." He doesn't get it. Something new is exciting. Brian did "Cabinessence" at 80 or so shows in 2004 and 2005, and I don't think he has ever done the song outside of a "Smile" set.

2002 UK June tour, as part of a medley with Wonderful.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love book out in September on: March 30, 2016, 10:07:41 AM
When the reviews come out, I hope someone here purchases the audio book.  Wink Interestin' listenin'.

For gosh sakes, he never had the time to watch Love and Mercy, but he had the time to devote to a thespian reenactment of his book.

"One more time Michael. Syncopate it. Say druuugs, with disdain in your voice."

And by "a thespian reenactment of his book" you mean... an audiobook. Like any book released by a major publisher will have.

Yes. An audiobook. Any book? Really? Learn something new everyday. Wonder if Brian's book will have an audiobook? I'm really too arsed to look it up right now...

Of course I'm being snide, Andrew. Something just tells me he'll devote more to his audio re-enactment than he does to vocals most nights. Why? Because setting the record straight is more important to him than air, water, and food. The elements!



Maybe you could find something better to be snide about than the existence of books in formats that are accessible to blind people? Personally I don't find the existence of books my wife can read to be something utterly contemptible and a sign of ego on the part of the author, but clearly you disagree.

And yes, any book released by a major publisher will now come with an audiobook version as standard. Audiobooks are seeing massive market growth even as sales of print and ebooks decline.

Mike gives us more than enough actual reasons to mock him. His book coming out in audiobook format -- which will be something stipulated by the publishers, not by him, which is a standard thing for all books published by any publisher with enough money to hire a recording studio, and which will make it accessible to disabled people -- isn't one.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love book out in September on: March 30, 2016, 03:01:01 AM
When the reviews come out, I hope someone here purchases the audio book.  Wink Interestin' listenin'.

For gosh sakes, he never had the time to watch Love and Mercy, but he had the time to devote to a thespian reenactment of his book.

"One more time Michael. Syncopate it. Say druuugs, with disdain in your voice."

And by "a thespian reenactment of his book" you mean... an audiobook. Like any book released by a major publisher will have.

Yes but not all them are read out by the author himself, particularly when said author is in his seventies and singing for hours at a time in a punishing touring schedule for half the nights of the year.

Almost all autobiographies are read by the author.
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