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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 12, 2022, 07:25:47 PM
I learn something entirely unexpected about the Beach Boys almost every day I'm on Smiley. I appreciate it, Robbie Mac!
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2022 Tour Thread (Plus Archived 2021) on: August 12, 2022, 08:30:00 AM
Billy mentioned above, "It’s like seeing that photo of Carl in 1977 when he had shaved (and he had stubble). Just looked *different*"


Could someone kindly upload that shot as I don't believe I've seen it before?


Thanks to everyone who has contributed the Brian-hatted and nearly clean-shaven Carl images. Most are brand new to these eyes.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl and MSIA on: May 08, 2022, 05:55:00 PM
Was Carl's involvement in MSIA common knowledge among fans during his lifetime? Appreciate this new piece of the puzzle, Patsy6.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Nick Laird-Clowes discusses working with Brian in 2015 interview on: March 02, 2022, 09:23:49 AM
Rhino Interviewer Will Harris:  Well, I was just curious about the experience of writing with Brian Wilson on his self-titled solo album.


Nick Laird-Clowes of The Dream Academy:.......Ah, well, that was amazing. So I'm in L.A. with Kate, and we're at this point where Lenny has said, “Stay here and do the mixing,” Gilbert's back in London, and I'm working with Lindsey and mixing with James Guthrie, who did all the great Floyd things like The Wall and everything. And then when it was done and finished and we were going to shoot the video, I get a call from Lenny. I've now been away from home for three and a half months, I've got so much at home to do, and he says, “How are you feeling?” I said, “Oh, great. The record's done, we're just going for the weekend to shoot the video, and then I'm going home.” He said, “So you're longing to go home?” “I am longing, yes.” And he said… [Sighs.] “Look, I know you are. But if you stay, I want you to try and work with Brian Wilson.” I said, “Oh, uh… Ooooooooh…” [Laughs.] He said, “Look, come in, I'm going to play you some things, and I want to tell you some… Well, look, just come in.”

So I put down the phone, of course, and called my manager, who said, “Oh, no, you're not staying! You've got to come back!” I said, “They want me to work with Brian Wilson.” “Fucking hell!” [Laughs.] Because Brian Wilson, he might've been in a bad way at that point - nobody had seen him for a long time at that point - but…it was Brian Wilson! So I went in and listened to the stuff, Lenny played it, and he said, “What do you think?” And I said, “Well, the lyrics aren't good.” He said, “Right, we're going in tomorrow, and Dr. (Eugene) Landy's going to be there, everyone's going to be there, and you've got to say what you actually think. That's the deal.” So we went in, there's Brian, he looked very…odd. I mean, now I look back at the pictures, he looks young, but at the time, he looked very odd to me. He was in one shirt, and they put another shirt over him, and…he looked very much like the guy in a village who's the outcast.

Anyway, they put the music on, and luckily Landy wasn't there, and he said, “What do you think?” And I said, “I don't think the lyrics are right.” And immediately Andy Paley said, “Hey, those aren't his lyrics. Landy said he had to write that. He's got this one with these great lyrics about being frightened of the animals and things.” I said, “I really want to hear that!” [Laughs.] I mean, being frightened of the animals? That sounds like exactly what we want to hear from him! Anyway, Brian said, “Why don't you come in tomorrow?” And I said, “Okay,” and I went in on my own the next day, but then it was like Fort Knox. It was very, very strange. It was, like, “You're not to use a tape.” I said, “I have to use a tape if I'm working with Brian. I always tape when I'm working.” They said, “Well, you have to leave it when you leave.” I said, “Fucking… Whatever.” So I sat with him, and for about the first 40 minutes, Brian sat at an upright piano singing “Roll Out the Barrel” for a lot of the time and saying, “It's like when we were in London and we were in the back of the limousine in the '60s! Roll out the barrel…” It was just completely… [Trails off.]

Well, anyway, finally I kept kind of edging toward this one song that he had that I liked, but we were nowhere near getting to a place where we were discussing his lyrics. He really, like, out there, and I could just see he was going to be there. So finally I said, “You know that song 'Walkin' the Line'”? He said, “Yeah, 'Walkin' the Line.' Yeah, what are you saying?” I said. “I think it's got brilliant words in the chorus, but…I don't like the verse.” I mean, it sounded like “Sparky's Magic Piano.” It just wasn't good. But the song was great. So he said, “Well, how do you think it should go?” And I said, “Well, I think it should be like” [Singing.] “I walk the line / I walk the line every day for you…” And he just went, “It's genius! I'm going to tell Dr. Landy you've got to work on our whole album!” And he went out and called Dr. Landy, and I had my tape of Brian saying, 'It's genius!'” Well, I got out of the studio, and they called me when I got home and said, “You've taken the tape.” I said, “It's my cassette that tells me what I did.” They said, “No! You bring it back here!” I said, “Well, I'm leaving in the morning.” And they said, “Well, if you give it back, you might get to work with Brian on the rest of the album.” And I said, “Well, I can't.” So that's what happened.


And, you know, it's even more thrilling now. It's played a lot more now than it was then, since Brian's return. I don't know if you've seen any of his concerts - he's done Pet Sounds and Smile - but, man, it was brilliant. Just incredible. And it was brilliant and incredible to work with him. And Landy did come in that afternoon, and I don't know if you ever met him or if you've seen pictures of him, but…Brian was odd, but you'd go, “Who's the mad one here?” [Laughs.] But what a thing. What a chance to have gotten. It was wonderful.

https://www.rhino.com/article/interview-nick-laird-clowes-of-the-dream-academy
Interview: Nick Laird-Clowes of The Dream Academy
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Weekend at Bruce's on: January 20, 2022, 01:42:16 AM
Much obliged for you shedding extra light, C-Man. Sounds like Carl made the decision to decamp, albeit briefly, to Shangri-La. The Band may have washed their hands of the studio by this time—I’m uncertain. Love both those groups dearly.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Weekend at Bruce's on: January 19, 2022, 06:44:56 AM
Any specific tracks from LA (Light Album) that we can pinpoint to being cut at Shangri-La?
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THIS WEEK IN BB HISTORY January 15-28 on: January 16, 2022, 06:50:28 PM
I have genuinely missed your Beach Boy weekly history posts, Ian. Much obliged for all the work and research and time that you spend on compiling them.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Welcome Back! on: January 14, 2022, 01:47:25 PM
A joyful afternoon!
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys bought on: April 27, 2021, 07:24:13 PM
A few months ago I found the same 1983 Beach Boys tour shirt at a Target store in Valdosta, Georgia. The last vestige of Dennis, as well as the color scheme and 1983 coincidentally being the year of my birth, made it an essential purchase. You can't beat the price, either. Appreciate your post, SloopJohnnyB.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SS board slump on: April 18, 2021, 09:31:15 PM
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11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My site updates 1967 on: March 09, 2021, 08:12:07 AM
Andrew Batt compiled / produced Bobbie Gentry's Live at the BBC, The Girl from Chickasaw County Capitol masters box set, and the deluxe edition of her second studio album The Delta Sweete. I asked him this morning, and here's his reply. "No, Capitol didn't tape Bobbie in Hawaii," says Batt. "I looked into this as it seemed a real possibility, but they only taped the Beach Boys."
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My site updates 1967 on: March 08, 2021, 10:37:58 AM
Ken Mansfield was hired in January 1965 as Capitol Records' West Coast District Promotion Manager and eventually became US manager of the Beatles' Apple label. On page 104 (the third image) he remembers going to Hawaii with Bobbie G and the Beach Boys...photos snapped on my iPhone so hopefully Mansfield's memories are legible...thank you kindly for saving the day, Rocker!
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B, Jimmie Honeycomb Rodgers, and Roulette Records on: January 31, 2021, 09:23:22 PM
Hey Craig! I've reread your conscientous comments several times. Oh to obtain a copy of Jimmie's memoir! Your reminder of Bobby Fuller's suspicious death in the same timeframe prompted me to place "I Fought The Law: The Life and Strange Death Of Bobby Fuller" by Bobby's brother Randell and Linna Miriam in my Amazon shopping cart. The mob contract decreed upon the King of Late Night occurred during his hell-raising, gin-soaked years when The Tonight Show emanated from New York [marriage did not deter his philandering; thank God for sidekick Ed McMahon and NBC brass stepping in]. In those days life-threatening danger could be around the corner if you didn't toe the line and play the game.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B, Jimmie Honeycomb Rodgers, and Roulette Records on: January 28, 2021, 08:47:23 AM
How did this escape me 'til now.......at the same October 1974 basic tracking session as "It's OK" Jimmie's first smash--"Honeycomb"--was attempted. Marilyn sang lead. Any other details known about this unreleased performance featuring Roy Wood, Nick Pentelow, and Mike Burney of Wizzard? Are any of the Beach Boys on the track? Brother or Caribou?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sloop John B, Jimmie Honeycomb Rodgers, and Roulette Records on: January 25, 2021, 10:52:54 AM
I'm much obliged, Spgass and Craig. PS revisions have come to light since you last took a gander.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Sloop John B, Jimmie Honeycomb Rodgers, and Roulette Records on: January 24, 2021, 01:14:08 AM
The passing of Jimmie Rodgers at age 87 from kidney disease and COVID-19 complications on January 18 prompted a deep dive into his discography. Between 1957 and 1967, the Camas, Washington-raised artist accumulated 14 Top 40 Billboard singles such as "Honeycomb" [No. 1], "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine" [No. 7], "Oh-Oh, I'm Falling In Love Again" [No. 7], "Secretly" [No. 3], "Are You Really Mine?" [No. 10], and "Bimbombey" [No. 11]. Jimmie's composition "It's Over" [No. 37 POP, Glen Campbell and Hal Blaine were on the session] was given an orchestral makeover by Elvis during his innovative "Aloha from Hawaii" satellite broadcast.

A songwriter and acoustic guitarist since his Korean stint in the Air Force, Jimmie's career trajectory found him exploring pop, folk, country and western [a clever rendering of the traditional "Shenandoah" ballad is spine-tingling on the "Twilight on the Trail" concept LP], and even gospel. Jimmie pioneered folk rock and had an unusual guitar style where he strummed hard right hand rhythm barre chords with his thumb. Richie Havens was a similar picker, albeit on a more accomplished scale.

Towards the end of Jimmie's four-year tenure with Morris Levy's notorious Roulette Records, he waxed "Sloop John B" under its alternate title of "The Wreck of the John B" ["I Want to Go Home" and "John B. Sails" are further designations]. The lead cut on "At Home with Jimmie Rodgers—An Evening of Folk Songs" was issued as an A-side in June 1960. "The Wreck of the John B" hung around the lower region of the Hot 100 for nine weeks. Struggling to gain any traction, its peak position was No. 64. Jimmie was accompanied by producer Joe Reisman’s Orchestra, but the supporting musicians remain individually unidentified. Praguefrank’s discography lists Bell Sound in New York City as the potential studio. Jimmie's out-of-print memoir, "Dancing on the Moon: The Jimmie Rodgers Story" [2010], may elucidate further.

A diverse array of singers—e.g. the Weavers, Johnny Cash, soul stirring balladeer Jerry Butler, Barry McGuire, Dick Dale and His Del-Tones, The Ventures, Gary Lewis & the Playboys, Chet Atkins and Jerry Reed—have tackled the traditional folk standard recounting a sailor’s homesickness going back to the dawn of Truman’s second presidential administration. Skiffle king Lonnie Donegan scored the first hit version [No. 5] in Britain a month prior to Jimmie's take.


As we know, Al Jardine credits the Kingston Trio's 1958 recording, found on their debut self-titled album, for inspiring Brian's production which enlisted the prolific Wrecking Crew for a lush, Spectorized “Wall of Sound” intertwined with multi-layered group harmonies. But I'm curious if BB fans have heard Jimmie's performance. How does it stack up 60 years later compared to the definitive BB master? Are there any similarities?

Guess Who frontman Burton Cummings, an unabashedly “huge Beach Boys fan,” prefers Jimmie's rendition. “Jimmie’s vocal is superb, and how about that note he holds toward the end?” mused Burton on Facebook.

Besides an unexpected Top Five hit in the UK with “English Country Garden” in 1962, Jimmie’s radio-friendly days grew sporadic. Three singles into a promising tenure with Herb Alpert’s A&M Records, concerned friend-conductor Eddie Samuels discovered Jimmie unconscious in his car not far from the San Diego Freeway on Dec. 1, 1967. Rodgers insisted that off-duty policeman Michael Duffy had beaten and presumed him dead. The LAPD said that Jimmie was stopped because of an illegal U-turn, was intoxicated, lost his balance while chatting with the officer, hit his head on either the asphalt or a manhole cover, was placed back inside his car, and apparently deemed okay. No medical attention was called, and Duffy and two fellow off-duty officers left the scene. Duffy had been suspended earlier for assaulting a teenager with a blackjack. Daughter Michele Rodgers maintains that her father was not a drinker. Michele, a Nashville resident who has contributed backing vocals for Kenny Rogers and Alison Krauss, also recalls that a girlfriend of one of the boys in blue, who watched from a car, was called to testify and could not be located. The impossible-to-find “What a Strange Town [The People Had No Faces]” was ironically Jimmie’s current single.

An $11 million lawsuit erupted that eventually earned Jimmie a $200,000 out-of-court settlement but derailed any career resurgence. A&M kept him on its roster through 1969. Jimmie believed the traumatic incident was payback for demanding back royalties from his former Roulette boss, known for being bedfellows with the mob. Roulette labelmate Tommy “Crimson and Clover” James corroborates Jimmie’s accusation. A steel plate inserted on the right side of Jimmie’s head sometimes prompted seizures when he sang onstage and was amazingly removed by surgery 40 years later.

Still, he was a fighter and persevered, returning to the road. A final burst of original, country pop material tracked in Nashville occurred in the late ’70s on a forgotten indie label. “Shovelin’ Coal Missouri” is the pick of the litter. Then spasmodic dysphonia strangled his vocal cords in the early ’80s. Botox and collagen injections enabled Jimmie to harmonize in diminished voice alongside karaoke tracks of his greatest hits by 1997 in Branson. In spite of a heart attack in the early twenty-tens, the deeply religious Rodgers toured intermittently, singing and playing guitar live to deep cuts including the Buddy Holly-dedicated “500 Miles Away from Home.” Elvis fans heard him interviewed on Memphis mafia alum George Klein’s SiriusXM Elvis show. In 2016 Jimmie exhibited early symptoms of Alzheimer's and was living in a memory care facility in California at the time of his passing. Photo credits: Discogs, 45cat, and Bol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBQ5-tU0_4
YouTube link for Jimmie Rodgers' stereo master of "The Wreck of the John B"
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Top five bad career moves on: January 01, 2021, 10:51:06 AM
Speaking of Carl, a nice change of pace story giving his 1965-1973 BB lead vocals the spotlight from UDiscoverMusic.....


Carl Wilson’s Best Beach Boys Songs: 10 Essential Tracks
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stone Temple Pilots cover “She Knows Me Too Well,” c. 1994 on: October 05, 2019, 02:05:53 PM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/stone-temple-pilots-cover-beach-boys-894002/

As written by Andy Greene for Rolling Stone...

The most surprising song on the set is a cover of the obscure 1964 Beach Boys song “She Knows Me Too Well.” “That was recorded during the Purple sessions,” STP bassist Robert DeLeo tells Rolling Stone. “That song and ‘Pretty Penny’ were both done during a field trip we did at one of Brendan O’Brien’s friends’ houses. We recorded them in the living room of his house on a 2 inch 8-track live tape.”

The song (written by Brian Wilson and Mike Love) was the B-side to “When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)” in 1964 and appeared on The Beach Boys Today! the following year. There is no record of the band ever playing it in concert, but Robert DeLeo has loved it for years.

“Being the youngest in our family, I would listen to the 45s that were always hanging out by the record player, and the Beach Boys 45s were the first ones I listened to,” he says. “There are certain obscure Beach Boys songs that have always been some of my favorites, including ‘She Knows Me Too Well’. When I first played that one for Scott [Weiland], he really fell in love with it, so I suggested that we cover it.”
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: STP’s Purple 25th Anniversary set to include Beach Boys Cover... on: October 03, 2019, 11:35:34 AM
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/stone-temple-pilots-cover-beach-boys-894002/

As written by Andy Greene for Rolling Stone...

The most surprising song on the set is a cover of the obscure 1964 Beach Boys song “She Knows Me Too Well.” “That was recorded during the Purple sessions,” STP bassist Robert DeLeo tells Rolling Stone. “That song and ‘Pretty Penny’ were both done during a field trip we did at one of Brendan O’Brien’s friends’ houses. We recorded them in the living room of his house on a 2 inch 8-track live tape.”

The song (written by Brian Wilson and Mike Love) was the B-side to “When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)” in 1964 and appeared on The Beach Boys Today! the following year. There is no record of the band ever playing it in concert, but Robert DeLeo has loved it for years.

“Being the youngest in our family, I would listen to the 45s that were always hanging out by the record player, and the Beach Boys 45s were the first ones I listened to,” he says. “There are certain obscure Beach Boys songs that have always been some of my favorites, including ‘She Knows Me Too Well’. When I first played that one for Scott [Weiland], he really fell in love with it, so I suggested that we cover it.”
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1998/1999 unreleased Al Jardine album on: August 19, 2019, 08:05:11 AM
I was able to snag 320 kbps MP3 files of all three Jardine tunes using SoundCloudMP3.cc. If you are on Dvoskin's SoundCloud page playing the song(s) you need a copy of, click the share button under said song. Copy and paste the share link onto SoundCloudMP3.cc and you will be in business.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson and The Zombies Collaboration? on: April 24, 2019, 06:53:14 PM
In an April 10 interview with Ken Sharp of Rock Cellar, founding Zombies bassist-songwriter Chris White was asked, "Are there any plans for the original lineup of The Zombies minus the late Paul Atkinson to do any future show?"

Chris White: "Yes, I’m hearing rumors we might be playing again and doing a tour with Brian Wilson. I can’t give any more details now but I’m hearing some pretty good rumors. (laughs) I would look forward to that because anything Brian Wilson did was so inventive and Pet Sounds was one of my favorite albums."

https://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/the-zombies-chris-white-interview-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-influence-dave-grohl/
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Hal Blaine on: March 11, 2019, 03:00:48 PM
From Mr. Blaine's official Facebook.....

"Hal Blaine - loving father of Michelle Blaine; grandfather of Anthony, Josh, Aaron, Whitney, Tempest, Ever and Lyryk; and inspiration to countless friends, fans and musicians - has passed on today, March 11th, 2019 at the age of 90. May he rest forever on 2 and 4. The family appreciates your outpouring of support and prayers that have been extended to Hal from around the world, and respectfully request privacy in this time of great mourning. No further details will be released at this time."

https://www.facebook.com/HalBlaine/posts/2372154496162525
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Linda Ronstadt February 2019 interview praises Brian Wilson and Pet Sounds on: February 14, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
I'm much obliged for the thumbs up Mtaber, Don Malcolm, Billy, and SMiLE-addict (that Old Grey Whistle Test vintage mid-'70s interview was a delight).
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Linda Ronstadt February 2019 interview praises Brian Wilson and Pet Sounds on: February 13, 2019, 01:39:29 PM
Ken Sharp, the author of Dreamer: The Making of Dennis Wilson's "Pacific Ocean Blue," has a new interview out via Rock Cellar Magazine with Linda Ronstadt that touches on her admiration for Brian and Pet Sounds. Parkinson's disease has robbed Ms. Ronstadt of her singing voice, and she prefers to live a semi-reclusive life at home. The distribution of her debut live album [i.e. Live in Hollywood recorded for a 1980 TV special] has seen her granting conversations with Rolling Stone and CBS Sunday Morning among others.

https://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/2019/02/13/linda-ronstadt-interview-live-in-hollywood/
Linda Ronstadt on ‘Live in Hollywood’ and the Singers Whose Voices Have Made Her Cry (The Interview)


Ken Sharp for Rock Cellar: Brian Wilson guested on your Cry Like A Rainstorm album, supplying background vocals for the Jimmy Webb song “Adios.” I know you’re a big fan of Brian as a writer and the Beach Boys’ Pet Sounds.

Linda Ronstadt: I bought Pet Sounds in 1970 and listened to it unendingly, but those songs were very available on the radio. They say the record wasn’t successful at the time but I heard many of those songs on the radio when it came out, “God Only Knows, “Wouldn’t It Be Nice,” “Caroline No” and “Sloop John B.” I mean, all those songs were hits.

Today, right, if you get one hit from an album it’s considered a great success, and that had three or four hits. There was an innocence to that record, and an innocence to Brian, that was beautiful.

Before the singing starts on his songs, you’re grabbed by the emotion and wonder of his work. The way the chords were voiced gave it gravitas. There was an inner beauty to those songs; it’s very sophisticated music, and he made it accessible, and that’s a hard thing to do. From Pet Sounds, I really love “I Just Wasn’t Made for These Times” and I did “Don’t Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)” on my Winter Light record.

“Don’t Talk” is one of the most exquisite and beautifully constructed songs I’ve ever sung; the range and the melody came right out of the faerie bowers. In Ireland they say the faerie’s music was the most beautiful of all. “Don’t Talk” is just such a beautiful melody and such a sophisticated song coming out of a young person, especially at a time when the culture didn’t support that approach to music particularly. It just came out of the sky somehow. The architecture of the song is so exquisitely formed.

If you can sing, it gives you something you can perform on because it goes to all of the beautiful places in your voice. I learned a tremendous amount about singing hearing Brian sing. I love Brian and I love his work. He’s a true genius as a musician and I love the way that he writes harmonies and the way the words fit them in that pure, straightforward way. He’s one of the few that were able to structure harmonies and vocals like the great classical masters. There’s something about Brian’s earnestness and brilliance and his “aw shucks” attitude combined that seeped into the music.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Ode to Bobbie Gentry: The music and mystery of a Mississippi Delta Queen on: August 29, 2018, 12:53:39 PM
I convinced Universal producer Andrew Batt to go on the record with me and discuss all things pertaining to "The Girl from Chickasaw County — The Complete Capitol Masters," a chronologically sequenced 8-CD box set due out October 12. It contains all seven original Bobbie Gentry studio LP’s enhanced by over 75 unreleased recordings including a lost jazz album...


https://medium.com/@jeremylr/bobbie-gentrys-archivist-explores-colossal-girl-from-chickasaw-county-box-set-d54d316856fb
Bobbie Gentry’s Archivist Explores Colossal ‘Girl from Chickasaw County’ Box Set
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