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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: For Jeff - A SMILE topic - Heroes And Villains
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on: January 18, 2009, 05:04:48 PM
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Maybe my favorite verison of "H&V" (which I don't have but only heard awhile ago, if anyone can PM) is where Brian and Mike switch-off on the verses "I've been in this town so long that back in the city" then Mike comes in with the "I've been taken for lost and gone..." I always thought to myself that this might've been Brian's original intention. It's very cool.
I've heard this mix - it's very interesting, but ultimately I prefer just Brian on lead. Aren't there other mixes with a few of the other members singing? I listened recently but it was hard to tell who was singing lead. Also, was the, "Stand or fall," verse ever recorded for the "Cantina" version? It's the only thing I miss about the Smiley Smiley version, and I'd love to do an edit with it in.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Stereo Pet Sounds
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on: January 11, 2009, 05:47:04 PM
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Eh, I prefer it in stereo. To me, an album like Pet Sounds is an album that NEEDS to be in stereo. And like Bicyclerider said, the original album was mixed so quickly and without a whole lot of care, and I think it shows. I do like the mono mix, I think it needs to continue to exist alongside the stereo mix for history's sake, but I just prefer it in stereo
I think the stereo mix was very tastefully done.
I even enjoy the "errors" of the stereo mix. Brian's vocal during the bridge of "Wouldn't It Be Nice?" beats Mike's, I think "You Still Believe In Me" sounds much better and less cluttered with a single track lead vocal, and the ending of "God Only Know" is just a much better performance than on the original mix.
*dodges bricks*
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New vs. Old elements of Smile?
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on: January 05, 2009, 05:44:49 PM
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Wind Chimes: The end part does exist in 66 form but there's no vocals or drums.
I mean how the "BAH BAH BAH" part (for lack of a better phrase) that deviates from the main "BAH BAH BAH" section slightly at the very end of the BWPS version, it was done back in 66, too? The very last measure.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New vs. Old elements of Smile?
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on: January 05, 2009, 05:30:58 PM
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There were vocals for Look/I Ran recorded Oct 13 of 1966, with 6 Beach Boys.
There is a circulating session of I'm In Great Shape from the original SMiLE. Actually, not a session so much as just a couple of tries recording the tune. It features Van Dyke on piano, and the end features the feedback/echo thing that's at the end of the cantina H&V, just before the 'western' section kicks in.
The intro to "Great Shape" as featured on BWPS was recorded? I know that the main section of the song when the vocals come in was recorded a few times, but did any ever feature the beginning section that references the Cantina section of H&V? There were vocals for Look/I Ran recorded Oct 13 of 1966, with 6 Beach Boys.
But what I was wondering was: Do we know either way if the vocal melodies as featured on BWPS were the same as the ones done in 66? I really doubt anyone would know this as there's no circulating recording, but I'm not sure if it was ever mentioned in any interviews with Brian/Darian.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / New vs. Old elements of Smile?
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on: January 05, 2009, 01:35:09 PM
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I realize this was probably talked about in great detail in '04, but humor a n00b, here.
Obviously a lot of this stuff is going to be speculation and some of the things I'm going to ask are things that no one around here could possibly know - but I figure there may be a chance of it anyway.
I'm wondering what elements of BWPS were newly written? Here is a list I had going, correct me if I'm wrong and feel free to add to it...
"Heroes and Villains" - The very end of this is not on any older recordings and is probably new and, to my ears, seems to be a reference to the "Canvas the town" melody in "Surf's Up".
"Barnyard" - The lyrics are old, but seem slightly incorrect - Brian says, "Out in the barnyard, the cook is chopping lumber", while it seems that it was originally, "Out in the farmyard."
"Cabinessence" - seemingly has a new ending.
"Song for Children" - I'm not sure here. I think the lyrics are new, but are the melodies? Does anyone even know for sure? I know it's said that this song got some vocal work back on the original recordings, but no one's heard it.
"Child is the Father of the Man" - New lyrics/melodies during the verse? Also, the ending seems to be newly written.
"Surf's Up" - I'm guessing the 2nd section probably isn't exactly what it was supposed to be way back when?
"I'm in Great Shape" - The beginning seems to be new, with a reprisal of the H&V "Cantina" section.
"On a Holiday" - from everything I can gather, new lyrics.
"Wind Chimes" - seemingly a new section near the end?
"In Blue Hawaii" - Seems to be a lot of new elements here. Is there any word on if any of the "Is it hot as hell in here?" or "Down in blue Hawaii" stuff was intended for the original, either lyrically or melodically?
"Good Vibrations" - was Mike's original opening line kept because the original opening line is lost or for familiarity's sake? You can hear a line being sung faintly in the early take of the song, and while it's impossible to make out, it is not the same as Mike's opening line.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love and SMiLE (no, not what you think)
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on: December 29, 2008, 11:54:12 AM
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But maybe in 1966 Brian needed a collaborator - a Darian-like person, or some George Martin or Teo Macero supervisor-type - - to put the thing together in SOME form and let Brian OK or scrap/change it. Then he could go "no, this goes with THIS and THAT goes HERE and we can move all THIS to THERE..."
Gee, how about his COLLABORATOR, Van Dyke Parks? Oh, that's right, Van Dyke left because his feelings were hurt - or - he took the money (for a solo album) and ran. You know, it's amazing. Van Dyke Parks had very little good things to say about Mike Love, yet, he (VDP) valued (?) Mike's opinions of his lyrics so much that he got so upset and took his ball and went home. Eh, I don't think Van Dyke could have done what Darian did. He was a fresh ear to bounce ideas off of, sure, but I do agree with the original post in that Brian became buried under all these pieces of music and he needed someone I don't think it's all that fair to fault VDP for "taking the money and running." I recall him saying, at one point, that he felt his lyrics and involvement in Smile were not only causing problems for a band, but were causing problems for a family, something he didn't want to do. Also, like someone else pointed out earlier: Brian probably isn't a master of communication and unintentionally sort of threw VDP under the bus when Mike began questioning Parks' lyrics. I'm not calling VDP an angel or anything, but I think those are just reasons to step out.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The last instance of Brian's \
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on: December 08, 2008, 09:31:36 PM
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I just heard "Match Point Of Our Love" for the first time - I know this sounds stupid, but it makes me feel sort of weird. How he somehow managed to go from his Love You voice into a voice that sounds about 80 older/20 newer styled vocals is almost eerie sounding.
I also noticed that it seems like as the song goes on, he sounds more like Love You and less like his older voice - in the beginning you would almost swear there was no change, but by the end, he sounds similar to how he does on Love You, etc.
The falsetto on some parts of "My Diane" is pretty remarkable, too.
Thanks for pointing these tracks out to me, guys - I never really bothered with anything after Love You.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The last instance of Brian's \
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on: December 04, 2008, 11:03:21 PM
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Couldn't you also argue that Brian's voice was different in 1971 than it was in 1965? Thinner, less "choirboy," so much so that when I first heard "Til I Die" as a new fan, I didn't realize that was Brian on the solo parts. Maybe that particular change was just him moving into a more adult voice, but it's interesting that his voice has gone through so many changes. He definitely even sounds different now than he did 10 years ago. If you put all the voices together , they sound like five or so different people. His own band!
I get what you're saying - I didn't know it was him during the solo parts of "'Til I Die" at first, either. But on that song and others, he still sounded like Brian. When I first heard "Solar System" I had to check a few times just to make sure that it was really him - there was only a few years difference in those two songs, too. Damn cocaine to Hell Don't get me wrong with this thread - I do agree that he's recognized the change and has really learned to roll with the punches, he sounds less awkward than he used to, and I still enjoy his voice nowadays. I've just sort of been curious about this for a while.
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Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The last instance of Brian's "classic" vocals
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on: December 04, 2008, 11:24:15 AM
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Hey guys - I'm sort of new to the Beach Boys, just got into them over the summer through downloading (AND LATER BUYING!!!) the obvious introductory stuff - Pet Sounds, the stuff from Smile, etc.
Anyway...
I know this is sort of a dumb question, but out of curiosity, does anyone know the last song or songs featuring Brian's older style of vocals before the way he sounded on Love You? Any songs that sound "transitional"? Please tell me it's not "Magic Transistor Radio".
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