I just noticed there's over 600 people who have read this thread and there's only 20 votes. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmLel0G4QQU

Glad u guys like my remix!

Speaking of, how come there hasn't been an official stereo remix? Were the masters lost a la Good Vibrations? Apologies if this has been explained already (I'm sure it has - just drawing a blank!)

Brian erased the master to record one of the "Psycodelic Sounds" things or something of the sort in '66. Breaks my heart EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.

When I'm behind the wheel
Horses and cats and deer
Highway is my hole
AAAAAHHH NANCY DREW

A+

Surf's Up (ditto)

The '66 piano/vocal version? What was the intent of it, then? Not doubting you, considering the '67 version, which we know wasn't a demo, either.

[Yeeyeeuh]

what they are.

I'll start. DON'T READ MY INTERPRETATION UNTIL YOU'VE TYPED YOUR OWN.





When I'm behind the wheel
Horse in a capsule! Yeeyeeuh
The highway in my overalls
What about we wrote we wrote we wrote we wrote

Greasy lungs, shiny Corvette!
Let's take a ride you won't forget
Come on pretty baby, ride with me

In my car
I captured up my destiny
In my car
I captured up my destiny
I steal a ride
Fell all right

I don't know how the rest goes

teh hell is the yellow board. I've heard of a bloo board, no yellow board. What color are we?

[you]

It's never too late to start one.

It's not too late.
I'd love just once to see you
I'd love just once to see you
I'd love just once to see you
In the nude

That makes me sad

I guess I say this only as a guess - I've never heard mention of other demos like this, nor have any been released on the Pet Sounds box or any rarities collection since. I think there'd be high interest in such a thing, so I'm inclined to believe the "Don't Talk" demo may be the only one of its kind, at least from the Pet Sounds-era.

Nope. Quite possible no other "demos" of this sort exist.

Back on topic....

I still can't come to terms with this thing actually existing. It has to be heard to be believed, and even then... :|

But what of us who do not drink beer, or any form of alcohol whatsoever ?

 

Why do people complain when topics stray even slightly but if it's about beer it's okay?

(This is not a complaint, I don't care, conversations will naturally drift from one thing to another, but man some folks get upset over this and why is it okay here oh my god jeez)

I wonder if Billy makes a really good spaghetti sauce. Like, of anyone involved in the Beach Boys saga, if I had to guess who made the best spaghetti sauce, I'd choose Billy. Just a hunch.

I would have expected her favorite song to be something more snotty and elitist, so her having Kokomo as her favorite song is a cool thing...makes me kinda like her more.

To be fair, she told me over the phone that her second favorite Beach Boys song was "Stevie" back in 2007. Yeah, me and Anne, we tight, we talk on the phone back in 2007 AND BEYOND.

This is a nice place to be on the board. I'm happy to be here. I'm happy pleasinG PEOPLE SMILE FACE WITH TOOTH GAP WHILE CLEANING A TOILET

The version of "Help Me Rhonda" on In Concert is one of the worst things I've ever heard on a Beach Boys record. That stupid "boogie" riff that plays for like five minutes before Al comes in, none of the leads from the original, that stupid "boogie" riff, no harmonies, that stupid "boogie" riff, etc. I know he was probably playing guitar, but I can't help but picture Al dancing around on one foot, wiggling his hands around with a huge smile on his face, while wearing one of many bad hats he wore in the 70s during said boogie section and throughout the song. Good GOD.

P.S. I love you, Al, I just don't like this rendition of "Rhonda" and frankly, I don't like the name "Rhonda", either.

There were literally four "RIP" threads on page one of All Things Beach Boys a couple weeks ago. FOUR. Now there's another one and several others in other forums. I don't mean to be insensitive, these folks deserve their due, but holy sh*t, so much of it really makes me start pondering my mortality and it's very unpleasant. This is not a joke. Is there a way to hide threads?

For example, despite the fact that David Leaf and I were friends, in 2001 I was critical of some of David's choices related to the TNT "All-Star Tribute to Brian Wilson" in my review in ESQ.  But David and I talked after I printed that, and we worked it out.  And if I were to re-write that review today, I would almost certainly change it somewhat given that I now have 14 years of additional perspective.  But if somebody were to create a new thread called "Why was Lee Dempsey critical of David Leaf in ESQ?", IMO it would serve no purpose other than to open up an old wound that has already healed -- or create new wounds with new members of this board that never read that review the first time.

You were probably right to criticize whatever David Leaf did/said in the context of The Beach Boys.

For my money, I hate the '71 fade tho. I think it's too busy and kinda cheesy sounding, and not the original intent but rather a last minute decision to recycle an unused fragment that was too brilliant to go unheard by the masses. Brian never sang the CIFOTM chorus or "and the children know the way" in any of the versions before '71. I think he would have, in place of the "aahs" had it been so integral in '67.

We have no way of knowing if it that ending was the "original intent" or not. I would say the anecdotes of Brian rushing into the studio unannounced while they were working on the song, handing out parts for everyone, may have been his way of saying, "If you guys HAVE to finish this song, let's at least do it right."

I'm a big fan of the ending. If Brian wanted to finish and put out "Child" on a later record, he could have. What's taken from "Child" is just one vocal part (transposed to fit "Surf's Up", it really needs to be mentioned. He didn't just change the key and throw it in there) and nothing more, anyway - the rest of the vocals weren't heard prior to '71, either.

Obviously we cant be 100% certain, but we can make educated guesses. I'd say the fact that none of those other lyrics were ever sung prior to '71 is pretty solid proof. That and I dont think Brian handing out those vocal parts is any indication that that had been his initial plan. If he really wanted to do the song right, as you say, why not record or tell Carl how to record the Second Movement? No, I think it was a last minute, albeit inspired, idea to get a little bit of CIFOTM out there. As a "if we're gonna pilage SMiLE, might as well get some of the best unused pieces out there." I dont think CIFOTM was ever going to come out after the horn part was recycled into Little Bird. I used to feel the same way about that anecdote, but now I see it differently. The rest of the vocals for Child were very possibly never recorded and probably forgotten by 1971 so Im not sure what your point is regarding that.

I'm sayin' only one transposed vocal part from "Child" is used on the '71 "Surf's Up" amid several vocal parts that weren't part of "Child", thus the notion that Brian just lifted/inserted "Child" into "Surf's Up" isn't accurate. Regardless, if the "original" ending would have been per the demo, just piano and a falsetto vocal, Brian had no more work to do on that. The fact that he came in with this huge, multi-part vocal shows some amount of work was put into it. He was only about four years removed from the original writing, which isn't long at all, so I trust the guy's judgement and assessment that the song needed the ending. You don't have to like it, I guess, but to say you don't like it as evidence that it wasn't going to be that way in '67, ehhh.

Brian not giving a f*** fairly often back then may be why he didn't insist that Carl get the Wrecking Crew together to re-cut section two.

Even using educated guesses, I wouldn't say either conclusion ("Brian had the '71 'Surf's Up' ending written in '66" or "The 1971 'Surf's Up' ending was added at the last minute") is more certain than the other.

The ribbon of concrete vocals are certainly definitive 1966, and speaking of those, I think they and the Bicycle Rider vocals would have been overlaid on the piano but before the "boo-da-bah" vocals come in. Thats the way I've done it in my Aquarian and Olorin mixes, and I just believe it sounds right that way. I have no solid proof that was Brian's plan though.

I don't understand what the "boo-da-bah" vocals are + the vocals were recorded as they are on TSS back in '66, right where they are, thus they couldn't have been "overlaid" elsewhere.

WAT IS BOO-DA-BAH

Bump to embarrass Wirestone.

For the record, a Dennis song would've been a fine addition to the record, to me, and I would've chosen some of his stuff over some of the stuff that did make it. Which of his songs were being played live around that time?

Among other possibilities, have you considered that Dennis may not have wanted any of his songs on it over the songs that were chosen? Maybe he didn't find any of his performances of these songs satisfactory? I'm not saying that's why, but they're possibilities. I don't think any reason has been given for no Dennis songs being on the album. Like I said, it may very well have just happened and worked out that way without any reason and no one was upset about it.

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Was there a specific reason why he wasn't featured on the In Concert Album though?  I think it's a slap in the face to see him being the only BB on the cover but none of his songs were featured.

You're overthinking everything, I think. I don't think this was deliberate or even an oversight (i.e. someone saying "Denny's songs aren't important enough to consider"), there were probably no meetings between Mike and Bruce where they were snickering "Let's... NOT PUT ANY OF DENNIS' SONGS ON THE ALBUM! AHAHAHAHA!" or anything, it probably just worked out to be that way. I didn't even notice there were no Dennis songs on here until you pointed it out.

Brian has no leads on Carl and the Passions. I don't think it was deliberate, I think it just happened for a number of reasons, none of which had to do with, "f*** Brian, let's intentionally exclude him." I think it's the same on In Concert. Nothing deliberate, nothing in the way of just not thinking to include his songs because they didn't like his songs, it just worked out that way.

There's only one song that was largely Carl's work, zero songs that were largely Al's work, zero songs that were largely Mike's work, only two Ricky/Blondie-written songs, why no complaining about those? I don't mean to sound rude, but you're overanalyzing things and inventing things out of it because you like Dennis a lot.

For my money, I hate the '71 fade tho. I think it's too busy and kinda cheesy sounding, and not the original intent but rather a last minute decision to recycle an unused fragment that was too brilliant to go unheard by the masses. Brian never sang the CIFOTM chorus or "and the children know the way" in any of the versions before '71. I think he would have, in place of the "aahs" had it been so integral in '67.

We have no way of knowing if it that ending was the "original intent" or not. I would say the anecdotes of Brian rushing into the studio unannounced while they were working on the song, handing out parts for everyone, may have been his way of saying, "If you guys HAVE to finish this song, let's at least do it right."

I'm a big fan of the ending. If Brian wanted to finish and put out "Child" on a later record, he could have. What's taken from "Child" is just one vocal part (transposed to fit "Surf's Up", it really needs to be mentioned. He didn't just change the key and throw it in there) and nothing more, anyway - the rest of the vocals weren't heard prior to '71, either.