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7626  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 12, 2015, 06:16:25 AM
Here's Brian's response to questions regarding Mike Love (from this interview: http://icondv.com/interviews/brian-wilson-06-2015.html):

Is it fair to say you’re done with the Beach Boys after that last tour, and with the way that Mike Love dismissed everyone, aren’t you glad to be rid of them?

Yeah, that’s true, we’re done with the Beach Boys for now. I mean we might make another album at some point, who knows, but for now we’re over.

Talking about the Boys, in the film Love & Mercy, Mike Love comes across as a controlling jerk. Did the director Bill Pohlad portray him accurately? Did actor Jake Abel?

I don’t think he’s a jerk. I do believe that he was portrayed very well in that movie.


He was always on your back, though, to tend to the commercial rather than the artistic.

He was an anchor. He wrote a lot of the words to songs like “Good Vibrations.” And he’s a good man.
7627  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 12, 2015, 06:06:59 AM
Well at least Mike and his entourage have achieved their objective. Like when NPP landed, smoke and mirrors people, take the focus of Love and Mercy.

Only here on this board. Mike's interview hasn't registered a blip in the real world.

Isn't that true of about 99% of what's discussed here?

When was the last time Mike was a big media story? Hrrrmm. I'd guess in September 2012 when "Mike Love fires Brian Wilson" was a top "trending" and "tweeted" topic.
7628  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 12, 2015, 05:58:03 AM
By would anybody be surprised by this?  He never has any problem saying what is on his mind. It is just unfortunate that the Wilson drug consumption occupies a major portion of his thoughts.


I still sense we're not literally getting an unfiltered Mike though. This isn't like Brian crossing out the "Great" in "Thanks for the great music" and writing "Good" instead when signing Don Henley's CD. That's strikes me more as an unfiltered guy who has no agenda; that's just how he is. Whereas, Mike's interviews strike me as much more calculated in offering sometimes blunt points.
7629  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 12, 2015, 05:56:05 AM
Darian and Scott Bennett are awesome, but I'd just as soon see Brian take their spots back and give them to Al or Blondie or himself.

Does it really have to be either / or? I mean, Al and Blondie are members of BW's group this summer.

I don't think it actually is an either/or situation; I don't sense anyone in Brian's band is counting how many leads each guy has. My idea was more of a theoretical. *If* it actually meant we'd get more leads from Brian, Al, or Blondie, I'd be okay with losing the leads from backing band members.

I feel like, with Brian's band, there's even less need to have other band members sing leads when there are two additional capable lead vocalists (Beach Boys to boot, and who are prominently advertised on promotional materials) in the form of Al and Blondie.

Some falsetto bits are a bit different I suppose, as various touring iterations of Beach Boy bands have been using surrogate falsetto vocalists since the early 80's.
7630  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Carl's last performance - God Only Knows on: June 11, 2015, 04:29:42 PM
If you listen to enough live audio and video recordings, pretty much all of them had occasional off times. I would say Al and Carl the least (and I guess Bruce to the degree he's audible), though.

If you watch something kind of dreadful like the Australia 1978 video, Al is kind of the only guy holding the whole thing together vocally. Jon Stebbins' "The Real Beach Boy" points this out as well.

But yeah, Carl sounded great even in late 1997. There was a brief local TV news report posted awhile back that had little bits of Carl from that 1997 tour as well, and he sounded great there too.
7631  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Evan Landy makes an appearance ... on: June 11, 2015, 04:22:53 PM
As far as the "Melinda saving Brian" thing goes, I was *slightly* skeptical some time back about whether that would end up being Hollywood-ized a little bit in the film. That is, until Ray Lawlor posted a detailed explanation of exactly what Melinda did and the role she played.

Frankly, given what Ray posted, the movie arguably *downplays* how much she did simply because it has to compress events and time so much.
7632  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 04:19:04 PM
Of course, the M&B Beach Boys have changed since 2004 - not a lot though since 2014, when I last saw them.

So, in your cosmos, it's acceptable to consider a 90 minute outdoor meat & spuds GH show as broadly equivalent to a three hours plus indoor show that delved deep into the catalog when considering whether or not to attend the latter . 33-odd songs as opposed to nearly twice that number. What a strange world yours is.

Out of curiousity, when did Mike and Co. last perform a comparable set list in the states? I would love to see one of those wide ranging euro shows, but Mike seems not to do them over here.

And I would assume some who are 50/50 on seeing Mike's shows have misgivings that go beyond the setlist. Mike's band is tight and professional. But some folks place more of an emphasis on seeing actual Beach Boys sing this stuff. I think, believe it or not, I'd rather see Al Jardine sing "Help Me Rhonda" for the millionth time than Jeff Foskett or Scott Totten sing "Surf's Up."

Darian and Scott Bennett are awesome, but I'd just as soon see Brian take their spots back and give them to Al or Blondie or himself.
7633  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
There would be nothing prohibiting Mike from re-recording BB hits (or any other published song) by himself or with guest artists. He did that with the "Union 76" gas station album and the Adrian Baker car dealership CD.

What Mike can't do is call any such album a "Beach Boys" album, which I'm sure he knows.

Why Mike thinks this is a good idea, I haven't a clue. Maybe nobody showed him the sales figures and reviews for "Stars and Stripes."

Meanwhile, Al recently said he's working on "Runaway" back at his studio.  Undecided

So you know what, maybe these guys need Brian and Joe Thomas to write them an album of songs! Worked relatively well in 2012.
7634  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Come Back To L.A. on: June 11, 2015, 03:52:55 PM
Perhaps it's just a coincidence, but the "Our Team" film is one of two instances where a "making of" doc was a done on one of their albums that used material that wasn't even included on the album. "Our Team" features "Mike Come Back to LA" and "Our Team", while the "Going Platinum" KTSA TV special includes "Goin' to the Beach." Granted, in the case of the latter, they discuss specifically that they left the song off the album.

I always figured on top of the all the obvious reasons they never aired "Our Team", it wouldn't be the best promotional idea to include two songs on the special that aren't even on the album, including the documentary's title track.

And yes, variations on the song's riff can be found all over the places. The melody/riff under the song's title can be heard in "Child of Winter" and "Some of Your Love", and to some degree even in the dreadful "Summer of Love" years later.
7635  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 01:02:47 PM
I wonder how it is Mike even read Evan Landy's comments and knew them well enough to discuss them? They're only a week old, in a UK publication and they don't seem like the kind of thing you'd randomly stumble upon.



That’s an interesting question. I think it potentially speaks to what Mike is reading, and/or what is being sent to him, and/or what type of information he seeks out and cites.

It’s not some big conspiracy theory that Mike read an interview/article online. But citing that particular article smells to me like the same sort of scenario that led to him referring to “autotune” in that Beard “interview” several months back. I think that sort of stuff, stuff that reflects negatively on Brian, is either being sought out or being referred to Mike by someone.
7636  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 12:58:46 PM
I wonder how it is Mike even read Evan Landy's comments and knew them well enough to discuss them? They're only a week old, in a UK publication and they don't seem like the kind of thing you'd randomly stumble upon.



We know that Mike sometimes looks at this board.  Perhaps he even frequents it.

Which is why when we post about him we shouldn't say anything we wouldn't say to his face.  Well maybe that's a little extreme.  But still, expressions of "he just doesn't get it" should be tempered with gratitude and an attitude of peace.


I get the sense that some of the stuff Mike says about Brian in interviews is different from what he would say to Brian's face.

That isn't to say many if not most people aren't like that.

But if Mike truly went back and read and weighed the opinions of fans on this board over the years, he’d see that most of the “negative” stuff about him went away during 2012. There’s a reason for that. A bit of humility, compromise, “the whole is greater than the sum of the parts” thing, all of that, melted away a lot of the grudges and negativity (both warranted and unwarranted) from some of the most cynical, crusty fans imaginable.
7637  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 11:48:10 AM
That Mike quote above also isn't, in my opinion, the best quote to use if one is trying to contend that Mike was most concerned about what was happening to Brian medically/mentally. Granted, it's the author of the article's characterization and emphasis, but it implies that Mike is more concerned with Landy stealing Brian away from the Beach Boys than he is concerned with how f-ed up Brian is due to Landy's abuse.

I disagree, Mike is showing that not only was Landy an unethical "psychologist" and "life manager" but he was also a crap creative/business partner deceiving Brian.

Of course. Nobody said otherwise. It’s right there in the interview excerpt (not sure where that older interview comes from). What the author of that interview/article implies through emphasis (“particularly rankling”) is that Mike is most troubled by the business stuff and Brian being kept away from the group, rather than being most troubled by what Landy was doing to Brian medically/mentally. As I said, it’s only that author’s emphasis, and I specifically only mentioned that this was not a good example to use if one is trying to advocate that Mike’s main or only concern in terms of Landy was Brian rather than how Landy impacted Mike’s relationship with Brian.

It unquestionably was all bad. That Brian was kept away from the BB’s was certainly a piece of evidence in the picture. But I also think Mike may have always had trouble ever admitting, certainly in the last 30-35 years, that Brian at any point has not *wanted* to work with Mike or the BB’s.

As I’ve previously mentioned, it was a good three or so years *after* Landy was gone before Brian did anything approaching substantial work with the Beach Boys.
7638  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 11:30:40 AM
Regarding various contrarian views about the movie:
Doesn't the movie in fact dedicate screen time to the "pro-Landy" viewpoint? We get (1) a scene in which Paul G., as Landy, says something to the effect of "Brian was 300 pounds, and I saved his life." They may not have used the term, "saved," but that's the viewpoint. (2) A scene at the restaurant in which Cusack-Brian says something like, "I made a mess of my life, drinking and drugging, and I was a bad father." Brian's character doesn't say "Mike made a mess of my life," or "my dad made a mess of my life." He puts the blame on himself.

Perhaps people like Landy's son and his sympathizers wanted scenes in which we see Brian in the foul state he was in. It was the filmmakers' choice (with the assent or encouragement of "BriMel") not to include this stuff. Hypothetically, a Brian Wilson movie could have been made that bludgeons the audience with human misery, but that wasn't going to work either artistically or commercially. This is a PG-13 movie; a lot of grim stuff couldn't therefore be presented, including anything even approaching accuracy in the depiction of Brian's childhood.   

Every viewpoint doesn't always deserve or warrant equal time and consideration. It's a false equivalency. Even if they were making a documentary rather than a drama, it doesn't mean they'd have to give a huge amount of time over to the one good thing Landy did. The "Endless Harmony" documentary, while brief, handled this situation as diplomatically and fairly as such a documentary possibly could. Brian got better initially, and then everything else was a nightmare. When you do factor in that L&M is a film and is the vision of the director more than anybody else, then it makes even less sense to dwell on something that will disproportinately make the antagonist more sympathetic.
7639  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 11:26:34 AM
I'll say it again: Mike battled Landy publically back in the day when it needed to be done. That his opinions in an interview 25 years after the fact don't match our wording or our concept doesn't mean he has to be written off as a jerk. And may I remind you the crap that he, along with Brian's family including his mother had to endure back then.

A book that appeared under Brian's name treated Carl as an alcoholic and blamed him for Dennis' death (i.e. delaying treatment with Dr. Landy); it went as far as removing praising of Carl in the segments it plagiarized from other writings; and Mike is portrayed as a giant-turd-shitting bully. Those people had to endure some utter crap themselves, and while Brian was the real victim of the situation, those things are hard to overlook, specially under the light of Brian's tight-lipped silence the last couple of decades as a previous poster mentions.

A 1991 People mag article may illustrate some of the points here.

Lovely thoughts from Brian to his mother:
"The fact that my mother is involved against me in this conservatorship suit really scrambles my brain... I hate to say this, but I don't think she loves me." And does he love her? "Somewhat," he replies.


Mike's take on Landy, which is not that differet from his statements in the 2015 interview:
Mike Love agrees—to a point. "Gene might have saved his life," he says, "but he went from psychologist to life manager, and that's way beyond the bounds of standard ethical procedures." Particularly rankling to Love are the facts that Landy has become involved in guiding Brian's musical career and that Brian will not write or record with the Beach Boys. "Gene doesn't want us around Brian, because were he to record with us again and be successful with the Beach Boys, it would prove that he doesn't need Landy anymore," says Love. "Brian has been with him since 1983 and hasn't had any success, while we've enjoyed one of our biggest records [the vapid 1988 hit "Kokomo"] since then." Love, who very much wants to collaborate with Brian again for a much-needed Beach Boy renaissance, adds, "The thing about Landy is that he has all the ambition of a rock musician but none of the talent."


And Landy's opinion on Mike. I'm sure many here will sympathize with the lyricist of Smart Girls:
"Mike wants commercialism, and Brian wants art," says Landy. "Mike would write a song about the Vietcong if he thought it would sell. Mike still wants sand, surf, sun and screwing in his songs. Brian grew out of that phase in 1966 with Pet Sounds."


I think it would help your case to avoid using continual references to the 1991 book and other things that occured while under the care of Landy.

The fact that one of the *few* things that almost everybody here can agree on is that the Landy situation was horrendous and abusive and coercive and criminal kind of undercuts the continual use of Brian's "actions" while under the eye of Landy as examples of Brian being as much of a d**k as Mike comes across in some interviews.

That Mike quote above also isn't, in my opinion, the best quote to use if one is trying to contend that Mike was most concerned about what was happening to Brian medically/mentally. Granted, it's the author of the article's characterization and emphasis, but it implies that Mike is more concerned with Landy stealing Brian away from the Beach Boys than he is concerned with how f-ed up Brian is due to Landy's abuse.
7640  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 10:33:16 AM
There are some people whose speech pattern is such that they understate consistently, they hedge on everything. Some people say “probably” about something they firmly believe, but their personality or pattern of speech is such that they have to be overly-humble and hedge. You know, the sort who would say “I think it’s probably a bad idea to shop lift” or something.

However, someone who in the very same paragraph offers an emphatic “hell yes!” doesn’t fit this pattern.

This is the same sort of grudging partial agreement stuff we see quite often. Random example: The interview bit with Mike from “Endless Harmony” where he’s talking about Smile-era stuff and says that “some people” like that stuff. That is most assuredly not an untrue statement. But it sounds like a guy who has to grudgingly admit that some people like it, knowing that it’s not the type of musical vision *he* had for the band, and was written largely with a co-writer who was not him, and a writer that he had issues with to boot.
7641  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 10:03:50 AM


It's true, one shouldn't really be surprised by seeing an interview like this. But similarly, one shouldn't be surprised when said interview is called out for being another trainwreck, full of patronizing comments about Brian and self-serving commentary as usual.

Wirestone made a really good point: If this is what is said in a published interview, then wtf is being said behind closed doors, either indirectly or directly?

All of these guys have legit grips against other band members and against any number of other people or events. So why is it that Brian is able to get through interviews, including interviews with loaded questions about Mike (and the reunion, etc.), without making a bunch of d***head comments about Mike?

Brian may take the high road but he's also kept a tight lip at times when bandmembers could have used a little public support. Has he ever publicly apologized for the outright bullshit he allowed Landy to write in his 'autobiography' slamming Mike and Carl? Ever gone out of his way to let it be known that they are not the people the book portrayed them to be? Sometimes sitting back and saying nothing can be just as harmful as criticizing.


Sorry, but Brian allegedly “not apologizing” for the 1991 autobiography is not the same as Mike actively saying negative things about Brian in numerous published interviews.

We don’t know for certain whether Brian ever offered any apologies for that. I think it was understood, certainly by fans in any event, that the book was a direct result of an abusive situation Brian was in the midst of. Whether that absolves Brian of any blame in the matter, that’s certainly up for debate.

Brian reportedly *did* admit (perhaps under oath?) that he had never even read the book. He certainly admitted the book was a sham.

If Brian, after the book lawsuits and after being extricated from Landy, then *continued* to contend in interviews that the book was still valid and he stood by the content, then perhaps that would be a more comparable situation to these Mike interviews.

I would imagine Brian has been far from blameless concerning the billion different business, financial, political, personal, and emotional issues that have come up within the band over the years. For a random example, he clearly didn’t actively support Al in the late 90s/early 2000’s during all of those legal issues. He passively and/or actively helped craft the licensing situation to where it is today.

Brian has in past years occasionally been a bit snippy about some of the other BB’s. I wasn’t a fan of his occasional references in the 2000’s to his touring band being better than the Beach Boys (when he wasn’t just talking about musicianship). But by and large, and certainly post-C50, he has wisely stayed away from saying much of anything about Mike at all, and certainly anything negative.

But Mike’s interviews show an active, willing motivation. He sometimes goes to places the interviewers don’t even seem to ask him to go. He’s the only guy in the BB’s organization, full of largely wealthy, successful, wanting-for-nothing individuals, who still comes across as hugely disenfranchised. He’s got the license to use the BB name, he runs his own band, does exactly what he wants, and he’s still disenfranchised because someone made a movie about Brian Wilson, or because someone mentioned in passing that Brian’s solo album theoretically could have been a Beach Boys album had Mike not chose to leave Brian. 
7642  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 09:52:48 AM
Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but might it be a stretch to suggest Mike wasn’t privy in any way to the treatment aspect of Brian’s years with Landy? Obviously, he wasn’t intimately involved on a day-to-day basis, and there was plenty of estrangement. But I’ve read harrowing tales from folks who had far *less* contact with Brian and Landy than Mike would have had, who have reported troubling issues specifically concerning the treatment going on and Brian’s condition (as opposed to costs or writing credits). All of these people in the 80’s who have their one random weird eyewitness account of Brian being all f-ed up due to Landy, and Mike *never* saw something like that? He really only saw the bills and Landy trying to horn in on songwriting? Those stories of Brian taking a break during a Beach Boys business meeting and returning to the meeting a zombie, none of that stuff was ever witnessed by and/or filtered down to Mike?

There also appear to have been plenty of “stories” and “reports” filtering through the various organizations.

In my opinion, it appears Mike doesn’t want to directly and unequivocally endorse anything about the “Love & Mercy” film (due to whatever political, emotional, or ego, or whatever reasons), so he even has to slightly hedge on agreeing with a wholly negative portrayal of Eugene Landy himself. Again, as I mentioned before, this reeks of having a predisposition to not want to support the film, and then seeking out something (e.g. the Evan Landy piece) that might have an alternative point of view. How Mike doesn’t see that Evan Landy is *not* the credible guy you want to invoke when exploring an alternative viewpoint, I don’t know. And even if if you *didn’t* know anything about Evan Landy, his interview is far from a fair, level-headed, alternative viewpoint. He basically just ignored most of the accusations that have been made.
7643  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 08:59:05 AM
Regarding the “Mike praises Brian at concerts” thing, I have heard *multiple times* from multiple people who have taken non-fans or casual fans of the BB’s to shows where they literally come away with the impression based on Mike’s comments that Brian is dead and/or incapacitated or something to the point of not being able to perform anymore.

It used to often have the tone of “Brian’s great, wish he was here with us”, and that used to be true during certain periods of the band’s history where Brian *chose* to not be a part of it (although, certainly in the 80’s, some of that may been due more to Landy than Brian; read Gary Usher’s book to see how Landy was trying to get Brian *away* from the BB’s as much as possible except where he could use their name recognition and fame). Post-2012 though, that tone in Mike’s show comments is just weird, given Mike left Brian in 2012 while Brian wanted to be a Beach Boy.
7644  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 08:18:47 AM
I don't get the anger over Mike Love's comments.  BW did have a rough, rough time, and Landy did save Brian's life, while providing him with the wrong medications and exploiting his fame and fortune.  What he said was basically true and said in response to a question about the movie that dealt with these issues.  I'm more interested in the accuracy of what he said about his involvement with Pet Sounds.   

I don't think there's much if anything in the interview that is factually, demonstrably false, and I don't think most of the understandably "bleccch" reaction has to do with the factual content of the interview.

I have a tough time believing much of anybody truly doesn't even *understand* why many if not most feel that the interview requires a deep, cleansing shower after reading it.

It's true, one shouldn't really be surprised by seeing an interview like this. But similarly, one shouldn't be surprised when said interview is called out for being another trainwreck, full of patronizing comments about Brian and self-serving commentary as usual.

Wirestone made a really good point: If this is what is said in a published interview, then wtf is being said behind closed doors, either indirectly or directly?

All of these guys have legit grips against other band members and against any number of other people or events. So why is it that Brian is able to get through interviews, including interviews with loaded questions about Mike (and the reunion, etc.), without making a bunch of d***head comments about Mike?
7645  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 11, 2015, 06:48:01 AM
As a bit of an aside, on the topic that was briefly mentioned concerning the idea that Mike knows he’s pegged as an a-hole and doesn’t care, and just tells it like it is, etc., I should say that he doesn’t even perform *that* function well. There are others, especially in the music industry, that are all old and grizzled and just bluntly say what’s on their mind. Non-PC, don’t care if they sound like an a-hole, etc. That can indeed be entertaining and even sometimes enlightening.

Mike’s interviews don’t read like that. They read like they have an agenda; an often rather defensive, self-congratulatory, insecure agenda. A lot of the old music industry veterans that “tell it like it is” are refreshing because they’ll be the first to criticize *themselves.* Mike never does this.

As Howie has mentioned, Mike is being advised (or advising himself) poorly on these matters, especially if he cares how others view him (and he clearly does, since he often refers to being wrongly pegged as the bad guy). More importantly, his interviews and comments continue to reflect poorly on the *group’s* brand.

I’ve often been the first to agree that it would be ill-advised for numerous reasons for Brian (and Al) to even attempt to revisit the licensing arrangement concerning Mike touring with the name. It would indeed be kicking a hornet’s nest and would probably result in years of litigation. It is very unlikely to happen for that and many other reasons. But I think, even given all of that, maybe they should consider it, and not even because of anything particularly to do with using the name for touring. Rather, there’s a point at which you have to think about who is representing your brand and think about how that person is characterizing the shareholders of your corporation. It is indeed poor (or non) management that leads to this crap.

Does anyone think Paul and Yoko don’t still have a few lingering issues with each other? Of course they do, and there’s as much if not more potential for contentious issues within the Apple/Beatles world as compared to BRI/Beach Boys. But they’ve learned to let their refined, valued brand do all of the work. They play nice (and who knows, maybe they’ve even actually gotten over at least some of the BS between them), the number of fans and press who think they’re coming across as d***s diminishes, and, oh yeah, the money just rolls in.

The Beatles now even individually and collectively push each others’ solo stuff in addition to group stuff now. Meanwhile, Mike can’t even take three minutes to listen to “The Right Time.” He can apparently kick back at night and read the Smiley Smile board and post *detailed* Facebook postings with huge photo albums and setlists from one of his shows, but he can’t go click on YouTube and listen to “The Right Time” for free for three minutes. Broken band, broken brand. I can’t fault Brian for just doing his own thing, but I still hope that this horrible management and brand/image issue might be addressed, whether it’s by taking steps to not let Mike tarnish it, or by getting a manager to get the guys to play nice. 
7646  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 10, 2015, 03:30:22 PM
I'm waiting for someone to mock up a "Movie Poster" for the film adaptation of Mike's book.  3D
7647  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love on Love & Mercy: ‘Poor Brian, He’s Had a Rough, Rough Time’ on: June 10, 2015, 03:25:27 PM
What's perplexing is that it appears Mike isn't living in an insulated bubble or anything. He talks about reading stuff on the internet. He talks about reading THIS very board. Obviously, a person will filter information in countless different ways.

But does he realize he reinforces what those critical of him often say by doing an interview like this?

The whole thing with discussing Evan Landy is what is most telling, in my opinion. It totally reeks of having feelings of jealousy (or annoyance, or inadequacy, or whatever) about the "Love & Mercy" film (and whatever other deep-seeded stuff is going on with his feelings about Brian), then seeking out a dissenting voice about the film to present as an "alternate" viewpoint. I'm just astounded that the person he went with was Evan Landy. Is this really a "enemy of my enemy is my friend" sort of thing? Even with Landy's son?

It reads very similar to the "assuming it doesn't have autotune, I'm sure it'll be great" comment about Al and Brian's "The Right Time" track. There's a standing grudge or whatever with Brian and Al, so the response is to *seek out* critical commentary and use that as a sort of passive aggressive weapon.

Seriously, Mike's interviews continue to give me bad feelings about his upcoming book. I strongly suggest Brian wait until *after* Mike's book comes out, because I sense there's going to be a need for some clarifications, rebuttals, etc.

Mike *still* is chalking up Brian's deal disproportionately to his drug use. And again, just my opinion, but his words no longer seem to feel like true sympathy or empathy for Brian. Rather, they read much more like a weird sort of selfish, patronizing pity towards Brian.
7648  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: June 10, 2015, 08:25:14 AM
I scraped together my review and it’s up on my blog. http://beachboysopinion.blogspot.com (Links to my blog and facebook page are in my signature below). As usual, I wrote and rewrote and ended up just going with a sort of blurted out, stream of consciousness review to once avoid spending weeks writing it for five minutes per day. Long story short, the film is highly recommended!
7649  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holy S**t, You never know what you find!!!! on: June 10, 2015, 06:34:32 AM
If you go back and watch the 1991 “Primetime Live” Diane Sawyer piece on YouTube, she adds at the very end after the piece some additional bits they had dug up, one of which was that they found evidence that Landy allegedly had been receiving therapy for HIMSELF during the 80’s for his own problems, an issue which Sawyer says Landy refused to talk about on camera.

I’m guessing it’s not super uncommon for a therapist to also seek out therapy themselves, but it was still a rather telling additional bit of information.
7650  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did C50 have any effect on the film Love & Mercy, and vice versa? on: June 09, 2015, 11:50:19 AM
What could Mike (or Al) do now that they could not do if they had discussed continuing C50 after the set end date? Or vice versa?

It’s pretty simple, I think. It’s not impossible, but it is very difficult to do a career-spanning autobiography where you “tell it like it is” about all of your colleagues, while you’re actively touring and/or recording with those guys. It can be done, and has been done. I’m also not saying Mike or Brian are going to do or would do some sort of trashy, exclusively dirt-dishing book. But a lot of (auto)biographical films and books are done when the person(s) in questions are retired and off on their own, and/or when some, most, or all of the principals are deceased.

But look at Brian’s 1991 book. He wasn’t even particularly active within the group, and yet the fallout from the book led to an even *further* estrangement from the band (as I said, other factors were at play as well). After that book, Brian didn’t even do his occasional gig with the band where he pops up on stage and sings the opening line to “Sloop John B” and the bridge to “Surfer Girl” until, I believe, 1995.

I’ve heard reports on the scene that that Grammy Museum thing the guys did in 2012 was awkward and some folks sensed tension, and that was while they still had a few gigs to go and hadn’t even dished dirt on each other, but rather Mike simply had announced he was going back to his own thing. So imagine during the middle of another reunion tour, any of the guys writing a book where there are unflattering references (justified and/or not justified) to their bandmates. Such books are written, and even when inflammatory, the members will eventually get past it (e.g. the guys eventually working with Brian again in the mid-late 90’s). But it doesn’t always happen while everybody is still together and happy.

I don’t think C50 itself necessarily influenced the L&M film or autobiographies. But the abrupt ending to their reunion has undoubtedly influenced at least the timing and motivation behind some of what will be found in the books (and perhaps at least the timing of the film as well, if not the content to some degree).

I think Wirestone is correct. If the reunion were still active, we wouldn’t be seeing the film and autobiographies in the same state and with the same timing. I’d say moreso with the books. I don’t think the film really trashes anybody (other than the Landy crew, rightly so of course), so I suppose the film could have emerged in the same state. Maybe. I think it would be less the content and more the Brian-centric nature of the film that would not mesh well with continual Beach Boys projects.
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