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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 02:11:56 PM
I also think the timing of the alleged e-mail would be important. How far along the tour was it? Which offers were on the table before and after? Did Mike truly have no bookings planned prior to the e-mail? (Remember, rumors leaked pretty early into the tour that non-reunion South American dates were being booked for the Mike/Bruce show). When did Brian/Melinda express a desire to continue?

It looks like rumors started in mid-June of 2012 (less than two months into the tour, and over three months before its conclusion) that Mike/Bruce were booking South America shows for after the reunion. I can only find evidence of two *canceled* Mike/Bruce shows for late October of 2012 in South America.

Remember this: Despite numerous mentions of the e-mails, Mike has NEVER said either directly or indirectly that, had that e-mail not arrived, he would have continued the reunion for any length of time let alone in perpetuity. Indeed, his book details a litany of reasons he almost quit the tour before it started and/or during the tour. So it has never been a case of Mike saying "Everything seemed fine, and then out of the blue Melinda sent an e-mail."

If anything, it seems Brian and Al, whether it sprung from naivety or something else, seemed to be the ones surprised by Mike bailing.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 01:27:37 PM
It's worth noting that in *Mike's retelling* of the story, neither side comes out looking good. We haven't even really heard Brian or Melinda's side specifically concerning that alleged e-mail.

Given what we know about what went on during the tour, and Mike's own statements in interviews and his own book, I think this alleged Melinda e-mail had ZERO to do with the demise of the reunion and reunion tour.

I suppose it gave Mike a potentially easier "out" for explaining why he wasn't trying to work out more reunion shows. I think Mike's "explanations" for the demise of the tour have continued to shift. His LA Times letter has one set of reasons, his subsequent interviews reiterated some of those reasons and then offered some alternates, and then in his book he went through yet another list of complaints.

But at no point has he expressed either directly or passively that he was all-in to continue the reunion, only to then receive Melinda's e-mail. As is the case with a number of his "reasons" for the reunion ending, I think it boils down to him not liking Melinda and not liking possibly making less money, and then developing a bunch of other reasons/minor complaints that don't actually matter much or at all, to try to back up his decision. (Too many musicians on stage, the "autotune phantom" episode, "giving it a rest" in order to "build up demand", etc.).
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys singles on: Today at 01:19:22 PM
For whatever reason, they had a number of singles where a new a-side was paired with an old b-side taken from a previous album.

I haven't a clue as to whether this edict came from Capitol or the group (or both).
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 01:17:52 PM
Regarding C50, I don't believe anybody has called the e-mail into question. What I and others have long contended, and Mike surprisingly *confirms* in this new interview, is that he clearly knew that if he had *come back* to Brian and Melinda and tried to work out more bookings (Mike also confirms offers were on the table; remember when some now-departed Mike apologies claimed there maybe were none?) or follow up in some fashion, they could have continued the reunion tour.

So he admits that he was engaging in a pissing contest and rather than sucking it up for the greater good, he balked and scheduled his own shows.

I of course believe he's also leaving a TON of other factors out, about how he just doesn't like Melinda, about how he would probably make more money touring with his own edition of the tour, and so on. He doesn't even proffer his old standby reasons used in his 2012 LA Times article nor those found in his own book.


It seems to me that in this case, Mike didn't want to engage in a pissing contest with Melinda.   

The final seemed pretty final, and perhaps Mike figured it wasn't worth trying to change Melinda's mind. 



No, I'm not reading it like that.

Mike says in the interview:

we didn’t go back to them
and ask, “Oh my God, what are you thinking? We
should continue to do this” – which is what I
think they hoped we would do


This indicates to me that Mike believes Melinda and Brian would have been open to discussion if he had come back to the table to try to discuss it. And all of this is just assuming that Mike's interpretation and recounting of Melinda's e-mail is accurate.

Mike is saying he went out of his way to NOT come back to them with the one sentence that just about ALL fans wanted someone to say, which is: "What are you thinking? We should continue to do this!"

That Mike knows what he could have done to make the reunion continue but *didn't* do because he didn't want to give Melinda the response *he* thinks *she* was hoping for, makes Mike come across as a big of a jerk as he wants us to think Melinda is, and by Mike's own words continues to paint him as the guy who refused to discuss it further and started booking his own shows, which would then in turn give him an *even easier* excuse to not do more reunion shows (hey, I have my own shows booked now!).

If Mike had wanted the reunion to continue, he had about 37 easy avenues to make that happen. He chose not to, and to his (relative) credit, confirms this in his new interview.

Now, all that being said, I highly doubt Melinda was just trying to jerk Mike around with some sort or reverse psychology, trying to nefariously get Mike to grovel. I think at some point they sent that e-mail, and then changed their minds, and Mike, who had likely *already* long ago decided not to continue (as evidenced by his litany of complaints in his book), took that further step of not even trying to work something out for more shows.

I also question the details of what specific obligations Mike has to BRI about booking shows. I'm not quite convinced he HAD to IMMEDIATELY start booking shows on his own.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 12:52:34 PM
Regarding C50, I don't believe anybody has called the e-mail into question. What I and others have long contended, and Mike surprisingly *confirms* in this new interview, is that he clearly knew that if he had *come back* to Brian and Melinda and tried to work out more bookings (Mike also confirms offers were on the table; remember when some now-departed Mike apologies claimed there maybe were none?) or follow up in some fashion, they could have continued the reunion tour.

So he admits that he was engaging in a pissing contest and rather than sucking it up for the greater good, he balked and scheduled his own shows.

I of course believe he's also leaving a TON of other factors out, about how he just doesn't like Melinda, about how he would probably make more money touring with his own edition of the tour, and so on. He doesn't even proffer his old standby reasons used in his 2012 LA Times article nor those found in his own book.

Regarding "Love & Mercy", Mike has a track record of going *out of his way* to NOT listen to/view/consume Brian's output. Back over a decade ago he admitted he hadn't listened to the 2004 "Smile." It's ironic that many of the things he has the biggest beef on are the things he *hasn't* actually seen/heard for himself. He sued in part over elements of the 2004 "Smile" project, and yet he didn't listen to the thing. Same thing with "The Right Time"; it's easier to take passive aggressive swipes at the thing if he hasn't heard it. Plausible deniability I guess.

Regarding the tree lighting show, I think by Mike's own stated business strategy as outlined in interviews he gave at the end of C50 in 2012, it would be pretty dumb to waste a "Beach Boys Reunion" on a one-shot, lip-synched event relegated to a b-grade cable TV channel, at an event with a scowling, unpopular political figure heading the event. Imagine if the Beatles had chosen to reunite in 1976 on a local cable access show in NYC, miming to Paul's solo re-recording of "I Want to Hold Your Hand." Huh?

As a semi-aside, I think Al has plenty of reason to stay away from guest spots with Mike's band. Al got fudged pretty badly in that infamous "Jones Beach 2014" debacle. Al has no reason to subject himself to that BS again, all for the sole purpose of, at best, getting Mike's gig a little more publicity.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 12:34:46 PM
I think sometimes Mike's anger and unhappiness (as opposed to Al; when was the last time Al gave an "unhappy" interview?) blinds him to the simple idea that when he's talking about Murry, he *is* talking about Brian's father.

Does he stop and think that maybe Brian has mixed feelings about his Dad and it might just be a tad hurtful to read Mike talking s**t on him, about stuff that EVERYBODY already knows, and in the case of Mike's most ardent complaining (the songwriting lawsuit), was literally adjudicated in Mike's favor over 20 years ago.

For a guy who says he's all about TM, he sure seems really hung up on lost money from 50 years ago even though he lives a life of luxury (have you seen his house on Facebook? He needs a three-story ladder to decorate his Christmas tree!).
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 12:31:36 PM
I have to say that Mike pushes hard on getting really mean about Murry and the "Wilson Family" in general in this interview.

He continues to do this thing where, when it's convenient, he'll kinda point out that the Wilson brothers were victims of Murry and that their substance abuse was caused by needing to "self-medicate" the problems Murry caused them, but then he also wants to criticize the Wilson brothers directly too.

When Mike wants to point out how Murry wronged *Mike*, then he'll use Murry's abuse of the Wilson brothers to back it up. But when Mike wants to criticize the Wilson brothers, then he'll go after them.

There are a series of questions and answers about the Wilson family versus the Love family, with Mike talking about his own children and whatnot, and the whole thing just comes across as mean and cruel and unseemly. It has this vibe of "The Wilson family was and is f**ked up and it sucks to be them. My family is better."
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 12:26:08 PM
Can someone explain to me what Mike's referring to here? What does this have to do with Carl?

As Brian’s ability to functionally lead The
Beach Boys faded, why didn’t Carl step up
and take over leadership of the band?


I think he did, to a degree, but he experienced
his own problems. There’s so much stuff that’s
salacious… we should have that conversation at
another time. Because you cannot imagine how
degenerate and depraved and disgusting the
whole thing became. It’s beyond disgusting.


9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 12:17:23 PM
The "I make so much money for BRI" thing I've always found interesting and a great insight into his frame of mind. He thinks *he's* doing BRI a favor, when it's really the other way around. BRI allows him to use an *insanely valuable* trademark to label his tour with, and he really only has to pay a relatively small fee to do so.

Look at it this way: Who could do more without the other? Would Mike do as well touring as "Mike Love"? Or would BRI do as well giving the name to someone else?

I think a "Beach Boys" fronted by someone other than Mike would make more money than a solo "Mike Love" tour.

I'm surprised, apart from the group dynamics and whatnot, that on the corporate level Mike is being so antagonist to ALL THREE of the other BRI board members. Brian and his wife are dicks who Mike is willing to spite at the risk of tanking more reunion shows, Al is "unhappy", and Carl's sons are jerks for voting to allow the L&M film to use BB music.

Maybe some of those people should bring up this interview at the next board meeting....
 
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:45:51 AM
You’re still a big Brian Wilson fan...

Absolutely. Not for all the things he did to himself
and did to others, but for the fact that we bonded
so intensely on Everly Brothers, doo wop,
rock’n’roll, Four Freshmen, you name it. We’d get
kicked out of the house because my dad had to
get up so early to go to work, so we’d sit in his
Nash Rambler where the seats go back, turn on
the radio, and listen to KGFJ and the other R&B
stations. There is nobody who was closer, or who
bonded more over music, than Brian and I. And
nobody was better with a group of great
musicians than Brian. He was spontaneous, he
came up with brilliant ideas on the spur of the
moment. No one was better. Nobody.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:39:40 AM
Mike also mentions in the interview that, not surprisingly, it *was* BMG who asked him for the second disc of Beach Boys re-recordings on his solo album.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:38:32 AM
For a man your age to be working that hard (Mike gives MOJO the finger, then laughs), this can’t just be for the licence. You must still really enjoy this.

The way I feel about it, honestly, licence schmicence. BRI [Brother Records International] is the entity that owns the name The Beach Boys, who have licensed to me the name The Beach Boys for touring purposes. And it is just heinous and ridiculous, to make me the villain, while sending in how many million into BRI this year, and the years before? Certainly over 20 million bucks over the last several years.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:36:36 AM
On the future....

Will you ever work with Brian and Al again?

There’s been no talk about that. We invited Alan and Brian to do the National Christmas Tree lighting thing with us [Washington, November 30], but we were told that Brian wasn’t available, and that Alan wasn’t going to come if Brian wasn’t there. So… Merry Christmas everybody!

Will you ever work with Brian and Al again?

Well… there’s been no discussion of any of that.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:33:53 AM
It's been awhile since I watched "Love and Mercy." Did "Mike" in the film say he didn't like the bass part? I don't remember that, but as I said it's been awhile.

So we finally get the long-missing piece of the "they canceled our screening" story (which I had heard some time back), which is that Jonah and Justin FINALLY for once voted against Mike.

Given Mike's attitude towards a film he HASN'T seen, does anybody here think Mike would have EVER signed off on letting them use the music?

That's not even getting into Mike's hearty endorsement of the embarrassing 2000 Stamos-produced TV miniseries.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:30:54 AM
On the "Love & Mercy" film:

So did you ever see [2014 Brian Wilson biopic] Love And Mercy?

No. See, with BRI, a majority vote carries the day. That’s one vote for Brian, Alan, and myself, and one vote split between Carl’s two sons, Justin and Jonah. The film people said they wanted our approval for the movie, but they would never show us a script, and they had things in the movie that I would hear about second hand, like something about how I didn’t like the bass part in Good Vibrations – what the f***? My melody is taken from the bass part! It’s just asinine and stupid to imply that. So we’re supposed to see a screening, but they pulled it on us because they no longer needed us. See, we [Love and his wife, Jacquelyne] were in Puerto Rico and Jonah called us and said, “Y’know, we don’t want to vote on the use of Beach Boys music in the film until you guys have seen it, and I told them they better get someone on a plane or Fed Ex a copy of it to you guys in Puerto Rico.” So we asked them to send us a secure electronic copy, and they wouldn’t do it. We asked them to send us a script, and they wouldn’t do it. So we explained we would alter our travel schedules and fly into Los Angeles after Puerto Rico and view the film. We said we’d be happy to alter our plans and see the film. A day before we were to fly to LA – they had set up a private screening for us – they pulled the private screening, because Jonah and Justin had given into the pressure Melinda had been applying and they no longer needed our vote to OK the use of The Beach Boys’ music. 
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:24:38 AM
It takes balls to give the interview in this magazine and say it's *Al* who comes across as unhappy. I won't reprint everything, but Mike also goes into... wait for it.... that the Wilsons did drugs and Murry stole the songwriting credits, etc.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:22:00 AM
Here Mike goes into C50. I have plenty of commentary on it, but it's interesting to note that even in this version of the story, it *IS* Mike deciding not to come back to the table and try to work out more reunion shows.

Note: On the first question, the "around that time" is in reference to the Jack Rieley early 70s era.

Around that time a strong alliance emerged,
it seems, between you and Al Jardine.


There was certainly a commonality of interest in
meditation; we were both certified as teachers
of TM in Majorca in 1972. And he was very into
the environment and nature, as I was. Intellectually,
we are very much in sync.

Has that alliance been severed?

Al is also very unhappy. And this leads to him
being very negative. I don’t miss that part. But I
am very fond of the fact that he is a great singer
and intellectually we have a lot in common. But
he is not particularly happy and he hasn’t always
treated people nicely. So I don’t miss that.


What happened at the end of The Beach
Boys’ 50th Anniversary tour [2012]? Is the
public perception different from the reality?


Oh, that’s for sure. It was said that I fired Brian
and Al. That’s horseshit, because I couldn’t fire
them if I wanted to. Contractually, everyone
obligated themselves to do a certain amount of
shows during the 50th Anniversary tour. The
original contract provided for 50 performances,
and although we agreed to add 23 shows, there
was still interest and opportunities out there.
I was already touring as The Beach Boys prior to
that, and I had a licence to tour as The Beach
Boys, and the licence was amended to provide
for the 50th Anniversary tour. So, part of the
amended licence, and part of the 50th
anniversary contractual agreements, obligated
me to continue on as The Beach Boys after the
tour. That was a literal obligation bestowed
upon me by the other shareholders – that’s
Brian, Alan, and the estate of Carl Wilson – they
wanted me to continue. So we received an offer
to perform in Israel as part of the 50th Anniversary
tour. It was quite lucrative. Before I had the chance
to even review the offer, Melinda Wilson responded
in an email and very clearly and succinctly said, “No
more shows for Wilson.” At that point there were
a ton of offers on the table
for my version of The Beach Boys, but we hadn’t
confirmed any of them at that point. So when
we received Melinda’s email saying, “No more
shows for Wilson,” we didn’t go back to them
and ask, “Oh my God, what are you thinking? We
should continue to do this” – which is what I
think they hoped we would do – we honoured
that email, we got on the phone with Terry
Rhodes of [concert agency] ICM and said, “It
looks like Brian’s done, we have to start booking
dates, as Mike’s Beach Boys are obligated
contractually to tour.” It’s very clear.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 11:13:23 AM
Holy s**t this new interview with Mike is pretty bad. Someone was kind enough to allow me to read it, and it's really just sad.

We're really getting back to early 2000s levels of sniping and negativity. I'll try to post some segments.

It's kind of a fluffy PR piece on Mike. Some good questions are asked. But they aren't followed up on, and some very softball "How are you so awesome?" type of questions are also asked.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love in New Issue of Mojo - \ on: Today at 10:22:07 AM
I have to admit, Mojo's one-line quote out of context does kind of sound like Tommy Wiseau from "The Room".....
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Website I created on: Today at 09:28:17 AM
I look at this way as well: If one is inclined to feel that Mike's "Beach Boys" are the "same" in the most basic sense as they were pre-1998, then it makes it pretty difficult to argue against the idea that he did functionally/procedurally fire Brian and Al (and Dave) in 2012. This is of course not actually the case. But if one is trying to kind of feel the whole thing out as if Mike's band in 2018 is just the "2018 version" of what existed in 2012 or in 1995 or whenever, then it becomes much harder to explain a willing Brian, Al, and Dave no longer being in the band.

In that sense, I honestly do feel it's to Mike's benefit to treat his licensed tour as a separate entity. That way, he is indeed just "going back to his own thing", which is separate from a fully formed Beach Boys.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Website I created on: Today at 09:22:38 AM

- Id suggest stopping the "Beach Boys" gigs at 1997 and picking up only for C50 in 2012 when they reunited, the lines won't be blurred that way unless you set up a separate section for Mike. I doubt there are many people who would be interested in a page with the 180 shows Mike played in 2015 or whatever the case would be, unless there is the time and energy to enter all those into the page and take up the bandwidth.


While not as essential as their prime touring years, I think the Mike and Bruce era is still a part of BB history, and much like the SIP album, shouldn't be ignored.  

Especially if you factor in how the setlists were changed up with the addition of Scott Totten in 2007.

SIP isn't really analogous to Mike's touring band, as SIP wasn't recorded by a separate unit under license.

I don't think Mike's licensed BB shows should be included simply as a continuation of the 1961-1998 "Beach Boys" shows.

Much as I believe the "In Concert" book does, I think after Carl and Al are gone in 1998, the "Beach Boys" section of any database should stop (with the exception of C50 in 2012), and then it should branch off into off-shoot/solo shows. Mike's licensed "Beach Boys" shows should be in a section alongside Brian's solo shows, Al's "Family & Friends" and other shows, etc.

I have to respectfully disagree.  

To me, wanted to reclassify post 1997 post Beach Boys as something different is pretty much the same as the thread about whether or not Summer in Paradise is a Beach Boys album.

Summer in Paradise is a Beach Boys album.  

Concerts from 1998-2018 are Beach Boys concerts.  

These are facts.  

Logistically and legally, "Beach Boys" concerts from 1998 to the present are NOT the same.

It's absolutely *not* analogous to "Summer in Paradise."

And indeed, Ian and Jon's "In Concert" book does just that, sectioning off those post-Al/Carl shows into a separate section. It's well documented in such books and other sources that the shows are billed as "The Beach Boys", but it's with an understanding that both in terms of fan perception/feelings *AND* legal/procedural terms, those "Beach Boys" shows are most certainly an entirely different animal. It's part of the reason why not one single live track from Mike's 1998-present "Beach Boys" shows have ever been pulled for a "Beach Boys" boxed set or other release.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 30 Years Ago today... on: Today at 09:16:49 AM
It was only in the last decade or so that there was easy access to Mike's full speech. It looks like the Rock Hall posted it on YouTube in full in 2010.

I remember back in the late 90s tracking down a cassette tape that had most (but as it turns out not quite all) of Mike's speech (aired on some sort of radio special featuring highlights as I recall), and transcribing it for Dan Addington to put up on the web, as prior to that there was nothing but quick quotes or very short clips around. It was an infamous speech where relatively few had actually heard the whole thing.

Sometimes when such an epic thing is finally tracked down, it ends up not being so epic. Not the case with Mike's speech, where you can *absolutely* understand how this helped to cement his awful reputation in the business.

And then, when you're actually able to *watch* the thing on video and see how tweaked Mike is with that weird kind of zoned, deadened look in his eyes, it gets even more bizarre.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: Today at 09:10:12 AM
First show tonight! Hoping someone gets some good recordings. I wish the whole thing could end up on YouTube (as opposed to 30-second bits).
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Website I created on: Today at 09:04:08 AM

- Id suggest stopping the "Beach Boys" gigs at 1997 and picking up only for C50 in 2012 when they reunited, the lines won't be blurred that way unless you set up a separate section for Mike. I doubt there are many people who would be interested in a page with the 180 shows Mike played in 2015 or whatever the case would be, unless there is the time and energy to enter all those into the page and take up the bandwidth.


While not as essential as their prime touring years, I think the Mike and Bruce era is still a part of BB history, and much like the SIP album, shouldn't be ignored.   

Especially if you factor in how the setlists were changed up with the addition of Scott Totten in 2007.

SIP isn't really analogous to Mike's touring band, as SIP wasn't recorded by a separate unit under license.

I don't think Mike's licensed BB shows should be included simply as a continuation of the 1961-1998 "Beach Boys" shows.

Much as I believe the "In Concert" book does, I think after Carl and Al are gone in 1998, the "Beach Boys" section of any database should stop (with the exception of C50 in 2012), and then it should branch off into off-shoot/solo shows. Mike's licensed "Beach Boys" shows should be in a section alongside Brian's solo shows, Al's "Family & Friends" and other shows, etc.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds Desk - still in existence? on: Today at 07:31:07 AM
Going off topic here, but when these TASCAM portastudios arrived in the late 70's, is there any evidence that any of the band had/used them? I know Springsteen, Lou Reed etc were fond of them. Did Brian still have a home studio at that point? Al would have build his by then, I think. Maybe these guys had access to much more sophisticated gear. Just curious if someone like Carl would have had one on the road with him.

I don't have an answer for this, but it's an interesting question. I wouldn't be surprised if Brian had some sort of mechanism for recording demos along those lines in the Landy era. Something more elaborate than just setting a boom box with a mic next to a piano, but less elaborate than a studio situation.

I think what Carl was doing in the 80s and 90s is a big, big mystery. I sense (whether recorded on a portastudio or in some other fashion) that Carl recorded demos over the years that we've never heard one note from. He mentions in a circa 1986 interview (post-'85 album) that he's writing more material with Robert White Johnson. Considering the only post-1985 Carl-penned material we have are his hand full of songs on the "Beckley Lamm Wilson" album, I'd *have* to imagine there are some Carl songs/demos somewhere.

Would Carl's estate really be that tight with such Carl recordings though? Would they really hold on to them for 20 years without mentioning them to BB archivists, etc.? So I dunno, maybe there *isn't* much.
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