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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: Today at 01:05:47 PM
Finally caught the first half, so I *think* I've heard the whole thing.

It's sort of inadvertently interesting to hear the guys tell stories as if they're re-telling stories they've read/heard from others. It's bizarre but not uncommon for artists like this (e.g. McCartney), who get asked the same questions all the time and who have had sometimes probably apocryphal trivia floating around about them for years.

They pitch trivia to each other as if they recall reading it somewhere rather than actually remembering it/experiencing it. Kinda of hard to explain. That, mixed with the regular re-telling of the same stories. I like how Reiner throws Mike off of his normal "I dictated the lyrics to Good Vibrations to my wife on the way to the session" story by asking Mike if his wife actually liked the lyrics. Mike doesn't know how to tell the story when someone throws the tiniest of wrenches in it. You get the sense he has never actually thought about what his wife might have thought of the lyrics.

I'm not saying we should have expected someone to ask abut the "Drip Drop" session or something, but everybody asking the *most obvious* of obvious questions certainly didn't help.

I kept waiting for someone to ask them all what their favorite pizza topping was.

But yeah, still strange and cool to hear them all together.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: Today at 12:31:53 PM
I want to bump this, and I've also posted about this on my "Beach Boys Opinion Page" Facebook page to hopefully get more eyeballs on this.

Ken has also done some great interviews with the guys, including the epic 1999/2000 Goldmine interview with Al Jardine.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 10, 2018, 03:06:30 PM
Just caught around the second half of the Q&A. About what I expected. Nice to hear them together, but mostly the same questions they've been asked a thousand times.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 03:04:45 PM
I think the only album I have not heard anything from yet is What I Really Want For Christmas.  Oh, and Looking Back with Love (not that I wanted to hear anything from that!)

I'd gladly take Looking Back with Love in place of Unleash the Love tracks....
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 01:23:24 PM


I would presume some sources pull the track from here (others perhaps from vinyl; the vinyl is probably more common than the CD); this is about as good as it could sound outside of a full legit remaster.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 01:11:59 PM

Crazy that they've been playing rare stuff like Chasin' the Sky.

Has anything rare like that (especially needledrops) which they've played on the channel been some sort of sonic "upgrade" in terms of sounding better than any circulating versions?

Can't always tell. Sometimes I've been grabbing screencaps while it just plays from my smartphone speakers.

I think "Chasin' the Sky" technically has had a CD release; I think the "Up the Creek" soundtrack was put out on CD somewhere at some point briefly.

Nothing has sounded scratchy like it's coming from old crackly vinyl. But I am curious to know if the stuff they're playing that's not currently in print digitally or on CD is coming from vinyl, or needledrop transfers, or somehow directly or indirectly from BRI. Random companies have the rights to a few of the soundtrack songs, and Mike owns the Celebration masters.

But as a radio station, they can presumably technically spin anything that has ever been commercially released.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 01:03:50 PM














And beyond anything I've missed, there is also a whole category of other artists/outside productions, but I'm out of energy.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 01:01:02 PM
Solo Stuff:













































9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:37:14 PM
















I'm missing a few that I may or may not have caps of, for instance the first volume of "Sunshine Tomorrow", and the "Live in London" album.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:32:04 PM






























11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:23:44 PM
Various Comps:





















12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:19:27 PM


















13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:14:28 PM




















14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 12:08:17 PM
They've come close to playing every album. Let's see what I can quickly compile. First, group "proper" albums:





















15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 10, 2018, 08:08:55 AM
In the early 80s, probably circa 1981 or 82 (possibly during Carl's absence), Mike, Bruce, and Al were all in one square on "Hollywood Squares." There used to be a clip on YouTube I think, but I can't find any video or pics online at the moment. I recall it being awkward having all three of them crammed into one square (to say nothing of how *awful* that show always was).

It was '79.

Ah, makes sense. I figured it had to be late '78 at the earliest given that Bruce was there. And again, as I mentioned in a subsequent post, the show ended in 1981 (for that particular run), so there was a pretty narrow window for when it could have occurred given their look (Mike and Al bearded, etc.).

Now I'm trying to remember whether this was ever up on YouTube, or if I'm just remembering having this buried away somewhere on a VHS. My recollection is that whatever I've seen, it was just one or a few BB segments and not even the entire episode.


I have it on VHS somewhere. I got it as part of a collection of miscellaneous BBs videos in the early '80s, but I'd known about it since shortly after it aired, thanks to the ASM fanzine. They answered two questions...incorrectly, IIRC. I know one of them was age-related (something like "If a person is considered 'old' at 65, at what point are they considered 'really old', to which Mike replied "'72?'"...it wasn't exactly that, but close).

This clip perfectly illustrates why the show was so dumb, the premise dumb, and why the show's format was extra non-conducive to having people on who weren't used to doing comedy bits and/or gameshow bits and thinking on their feet:

https://youtu.be/u4VFmAiEokQ?t=28s
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: August 10, 2018, 08:02:19 AM
We all love Brian. But retire already.
Exactly. Maybe his band - with Al, Blondie, Matt, etc - could continue to tour as "an Evening of the music of Brian Wilson" or something like that, cause it sounds like they are doing a great job. But Brian? This thing is getting harder for him every year. I remember some of the reports from C50, about how Brian's back was bothering him, and I really wished he did not have to do this any more. The whole world should know by now that Brian Wilson is a genius; touring PS and GH year after year isn't necessary. I always thought Brian Wilson was supposed to be about CREATING music, not being a traveling jukebox. If people want the latter, Mike will always be out there, playing the greatest hits. Although strangely, Mike has more new songs in his show now than Brian does.

I would gladly listen to almost anything in the B.B. catalog instead of Mikes solo tracks
Of course, because Mike is a doofus that can't do anything right. Personally, I think it's pretty cool that the man is still creating new music, and playing it in his shows. I don't expect it to be California Girls quality.

Mike has produced some perfectly acceptable material in the generally "solo" arena. "Almost Summer" is a catchy track. Some bits and pieces of "Looking Back With Love" are listenable, kind of like "MIU Album" type material without the other BBs. Same with some bits of the unreleased "First Love."

The compilation from circa 2004 of Mike's then-in-progress solo material was not bad at all, probably the best collection of his solo stuff.

I don't think it's a bad thing that Mike is recording studio material (and it's understandable that it's relatively rare; as Mike himself has said he finds studio work to be tedious). The problem with "Unleash the Love" is that it's probably the worst-sounding production in the BB and BB-related catalog. The autotune is really the most distracting I've ever heard, certainly on any BB-related product. Makes TWGMTR and even the C50 live album sound organic in comparison.

I also think the track selection was largely uninspired, with too many remakes and too many mediocre tracks. The best *compositions* on "Unleash...." are the tracks that had already been heard on that circa 2004 compilation, and that 2004 compilation had FAR better sounding performances/mixes free of any or at least any egregious use of autotune. I'm not even a huge fan of Christian Love's singing, but Mike should have retained Christian's leads from that 2004 collection instead of re-recording them himself.

Not sure what happened between the mid-2000s and 2017, because the stuff Mike had put together circa 2004 was not too shabby overall. His solo track on the 2006 "Songs from Here and Back" CD, "Cool Head, Warm Heart" (pulled from that 2004 collection), was the best of the three solo tracks on that CD. (And, not surprisingly, as the one track on "Unleash..." left relatively unscathed from its 2004 iteration, "Cool Head..." is the one track that still sounds okay).

But yeah, being re-exposed to "Unleash" on the SiriusXM channel, it's really, really bad. Foskett's falsettos are so autotuned it starts to sound like a Moog.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 10, 2018, 07:50:01 AM


Thanks for your take on this, HJ, and yes, I'd like to see a bit more creativity and thought out segues in presenting the tracks. Have you or anyone else heard things like Steamboat or A Day In The Life Of A Tree, Mess Of Help, Just Once In My Life, The '72 Live album, or the trilogy from TWGMTR?

Yep, I've heard just about all of those selections. Definitely "Steamboat", "Mess of Help", a number of tracks from the '73 "In Concert" album, and every track from TWGMTR, "Just Once In My Life", etc.

They've even played pretty much all of the "grey" market live releases: Carl at My Father's Place and the Bottom Line '81, BBs in Washington DC 1981, Fillmore East 1971, Japan 1966.

They've also dipped into stuff from the 1986 Sunkist album, including the live tracks from '84 and '85 with Ringo, the Oak Ridge Boys, etc.

So yeah, in terms of content, they're going as deep as one could go without literally playing boots or getting never-released material from BRI. It's just the programming/curation of when and how tracks are played that has dictated hearing "Good Vibrations" seemingly almost every hour, etc.

In a few cases, they're playing stuff that's never been released on CD or digitally (the "Celebration" stuff, the Sunkist album, etc.). I'm not sure if they're just playing digital transfers from vinyl, or if BRI or other band members (e.g. Mike who owns the "Celebration" masters) are supplying masters.

The only solo album I'm not sure if they've played anything from is "Looking Back with Love." I also haven't personally seen/heard them play anything from Brian's "What I Really Want for Christmas" or "In the Key of Disney", so I'm not positive those have been touched on. They did start playing BB "Christmas Album" tracks last month.  
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: August 09, 2018, 02:11:37 PM
They've played stuff from all the solo albums, including Brian Wilson '88. They haven't played any "Sweet Insanity" tracks, but that's because they're not playing unreleased material.

The *level* of deep tracks they've played is about as good as one could expect. They've done "Celebration" tracks, live Carl '81 tracks, one-off tracks like "Chasin' the Sky" and "Problem Child", etc.

It's the random nature of the tracks that is most frustrating, and obviously yes, the proportion of "hits" is understandably skewed so that familiar tracks are played often.

I haven't been listening as much in the last couple weeks, but I've usually noticed certain tracks get played seemingly way too often, like the 45 version of "Cotton Fields." One time I heard "Got to Know the Woman" like four times within two hours or so.

I think some curation, some themed blocks of programming, etc. would help. For a while, it may seem funny or ironic to get whip lash going from "'Til I Die" to "Summer of Love" to "Pom Pom Playgirl" to "Sidewalk Surfin'", etc. But eventually it does just seem so random as to lessen one's enthusiasm over time.

They've done a couple of guest DJ spots, and of course the reunion Q&A, but not very much "special" programming overall, which I think would help a lot. Have the actual members spin some records and make some selections.

It'll be interesting to see if the channel has any chance of going beyond a "limited run" summer channel. If they plan on trying, I think they'll have to cultivate the programming a lot more, similar to the Beatles channel (the Beatles channel is *far* from perfect, but they do have blocks of themed programming that make more sense).
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 09, 2018, 11:49:13 AM
Just a short update:

Al shared a video of the town hall on his facebook account. Reiner asks if there is anyone the guys would have wanted to colloborate with but didn't. Mike says "Yeah, there's a lot of great artists", then Al interrupts "Oh, I know. the Beatles" which made for some laughter from the audience.

This was one of the few moments actually covered in the initial print articles (Rolling Stone or LA Times as I recall) the next day, with Al telling his story of how he hoped the Beatles were visiting to discuss music, but they were selling them on TM instead.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys as game show celebrity panelists on: August 09, 2018, 10:05:39 AM
In the early 80s, probably circa 1981 or 82 (possibly during Carl's absence), Mike, Bruce, and Al were all in one square on "Hollywood Squares." There used to be a clip on YouTube I think, but I can't find any video or pics online at the moment. I recall it being awkward having all three of them crammed into one square (to say nothing of how *awful* that show always was).

It was '79.

Ah, makes sense. I figured it had to be late '78 at the earliest given that Bruce was there. And again, as I mentioned in a subsequent post, the show ended in 1981 (for that particular run), so there was a pretty narrow window for when it could have occurred given their look (Mike and Al bearded, etc.).

Now I'm trying to remember whether this was ever up on YouTube, or if I'm just remembering having this buried away somewhere on a VHS. My recollection is that whatever I've seen, it was just one or a few BB segments and not even the entire episode.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: August 09, 2018, 10:03:05 AM
I guess I end up having to post something like this just about every time Brian tours.

I think it's sometimes justifiable, given Brian's stage demeanor at some shows over the years, for fans to be concerned and/or wonder if Brian should be touring. No, we shouldn't try to force our only partially-informed (at best) opinions. But especially a new fan who doesn't know Brian's deal wondering out loud if he really should be out here, is not totally out of line.

The problem is that this has been going on for now almost literally 20 years. Yes, as has been said in the past, Brian has some bad nights and at times his shows over the years did veer into "Weekend at Bernie's" territory.

But nothing much in this regard has changed over all these years. His back is in recovery; that's the main difference. Otherwise, it's all pretty similar. He actually has a bigger support system on stage now (both musically and in general) with Matt and Al in addition to Darian and the other guys. He still has good nights and bad nights. He says in interviews he wants to tour. Do I think it's possible, much as we *all* have moments where we're apprehensive about doing something and need some motivation to do it, that Brian has moments where he'd rather not be touring? Probably.

But I hate to harp on the idea of what an educated fan should know, but really, any fan who has followed this stuff should know Brian's deal. It hasn't drastically changed.

Further, in listening to a number of fans/insiders/associates, it also appears clear that when Brian *actually* really doesn't want to do something, he doesn't do it. He'll make it clear, even if more by action (or inaction) rather than calling a meeting and saying "I don't want to do this", when he doesn't want to do something.

Maybe Brian shouldn't be out there touring, I dunno. But he wouldn't be doing it if he truly didn't want to be. And for all we know, and Mike Love being fit is actually pretty good anecdotal evidence, staying active and out there touring is good for Brian.

I can only guess the back surgery thing was not an ideal situation this year and they're striking the best balance they can.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 02:00:12 PM
So many questions.

Yep and no definitive answers, really. Mike's chimed in, have we ever heard rebuttals?

Yes. Brian wrote a letter to the LA Times. Brian's book discusses the reunion. Also, Al has discussed it in numerous interviews, and has done so very plainly and simply. He discussed being disappointed that Mike didn't want to continue.

By EVERY MEMBER'S account, *by the end of the tour* Brian, Al, and David wanted to continue the reunion. Mike did not. Bruce never really specifically individually chimed in but obviously stayed glued to Mike and has never lamented the end of the reunion.

From MIKE'S autobiography at the tail end of the (few) pages covering the reunion:

"He (Brian) wanted the tour to continue, and he said so loudly and often, but you can't change the melody once the score's been written."

Whatever *that* means.....
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
One interesting point that I believe highlights Mike was much more interested in *exiting* the reunion than under some immediate pressing obligation to book a ton of his own dates quickly is this:

Regarding Mike being required to book his own shows back after C50, it's worth actually looking at his tour schedule for the remainder of 2012 and into 2013.

From September 30, 2012 through the beginning of February 2013, Mike booked...wait for it.... NINE shows across EIGHT venues.

He dumped the reunion tour in order to play these shows:

September 30 - The Legacy Concert for the Children, The Santaluz Club, San Diego, CA
October 5 - Extraco Events Center, Waco, TX  
October 6 - The Backyard, Austin, TX  
October 12 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
October 13 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
December 21 - New Orleans Bowl Friday Night Concert, Champion's Square, New Orleans, LA (Free Show)
December 28 - Pike's Peak Center, Colorado Springs, CO  
December 31 - Mystic Lake Casino, Prior Lake, MN (2 Shows)

Nothing in November 2012, nothing in January 2013. Only FOUR shows in February 2013. Even assuming maybe he booked a few private/corporate gigs we don't know about, and even taking into account at least three canceled gigs (two in South America, plus the infamous "Nutty Jerry's" gig), I somehow doubt BRI had a requirement that both *forced* Mike to book shows, but then also allowed for such a *light* tour schedule.

This is just my total guess/gut feeling, but it kind of smells like Mike just started booking a hand full of shows to essentially create a plausible reason to say he couldn't do more reunion shows (See? I already have my own shows booked!), and also to start getting his foot back in the door and re-establish his band as the going "Beach Boys" touring concern.

Look at that schedule. THREE shows between mid-October 2012 and February 2013. They could have *easily* booked some year-end reunion gigs to try to cap the whole thing off on better terms (and that's just assuming they still wouldn't continue the reunion on any sort of even semi-permanent basis). As was bandied about some time back, even just one or two year-ending shows at the Staples Center or something could have easily been done.

Part of this, as you are quoted as saying below, is just how Mike rolls out his tours. It's never an announcement of a full slate of shows.

"Also, if one has followed Mike's tour and scheduling habits over the years, they will have found that Mike never really "announces" a tour. He never unveils a tour schedule. It just sort of continually exists and is updated on an ongoing basis. It takes a few months into the year for summer tour dates to fill out. " -Hey Jude


Yes, and you're taking my comment about Mike's *typical* touring procedure out of context. That comment, from another thread and on a different topic (namely Mike's *current* touring), pertained to his typical rollout for a given year.

Additionally, my comment quoted above about his tour rollout pertained to *how* tour dates were announced and *when*. I was *not* speaking to the total number of tour dates. During that September to Febuary timeline discussed in the current thread, a total of nine shows is *very atypical* of any recent Mike tour schedules.

2012 was obviously unique, and normally I wouldn't scrutinize too heavily that Mike just did some scattered dates in the latter half of 2012 into early 2013. However, it was Mike and Mike alone who consistently referred back to a pressing need if not requirement to continue to tour, and he often used "I had already booked my own dates" as a reason (however bogus) for ending the reunion tour.

He had dates booked at the end of September into early-mid October. So if there were so many offers, and he was *required* to endlessly tour by BRI, why was there a 2-month-plus gap between October 13 and December 21?

Again, between mid-October 2012 and the end of January 2013, he did *three* shows over the span of about three and a half months. That's not only atypical for Mike's touring routine, it completely contradicts his stated pressing need to continue to tour (and seems to clash with the implication that offers were just flooding in for his edition of the band) and clearly shows there was plenty of leeway to continue with more reunion shows.

I fully understand all of the variables. By the second half of 2012, he would certainly be getting plenty of offers for 2013. If he truly didn't start booking *any* of his own shows until June of 2012, then the second half of the year would not be as jam packed as a typical latter half of the year of touring for his band. But if he was pounding the pavement and snagging tons of bookings, and if he truly was *immediately* required by BRI to go back out, I don't buy again, as I've said, that BRI would both *have* an immediate legal requirement for him to book shows without any break, but then *also* allow him to book so few shows.

Again, my total guess of a takeaway is that he first and foremost didn't want to continue the reunion, and everything else is a justification for the reunion ending instead of just simply and plainly stating what his words strongly indicate, which is that it wasn't about a legal requirement to book his own shows, it wasn't about needing to "give it a rest" to build up demand, it wasn't about an e-mail (later retracted by Mike's own admission). It was about Mike quitting the Beach Boys in September 2012; of disliking Melinda more than his desire to continue working with Brian and the other guys as a fully reunited unit.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 09:08:00 AM
One interesting point that I believe highlights Mike was much more interested in *exiting* the reunion than under some immediate pressing obligation to book a ton of his own dates quickly is this:

Regarding Mike being required to book his own shows back after C50, it's worth actually looking at his tour schedule for the remainder of 2012 and into 2013.

From September 30, 2012 through the beginning of February 2013, Mike booked...wait for it.... NINE shows across EIGHT venues.

He dumped the reunion tour in order to play these shows:

September 30 - The Legacy Concert for the Children, The Santaluz Club, San Diego, CA
October 5 - Extraco Events Center, Waco, TX  
October 6 - The Backyard, Austin, TX  
October 12 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
October 13 - Beau Rivage, Biloxi, MS
December 21 - New Orleans Bowl Friday Night Concert, Champion's Square, New Orleans, LA (Free Show)
December 28 - Pike's Peak Center, Colorado Springs, CO  
December 31 - Mystic Lake Casino, Prior Lake, MN (2 Shows)

Nothing in November 2012, nothing in January 2013. Only FOUR shows in February 2013. Even assuming maybe he booked a few private/corporate gigs we don't know about, and even taking into account at least three canceled gigs (two in South America, plus the infamous "Nutty Jerry's" gig), I somehow doubt BRI had a requirement that both *forced* Mike to book shows, but then also allowed for such a *light* tour schedule.

This is just my total guess/gut feeling, but it kind of smells like Mike just started booking a hand full of shows to essentially create a plausible reason to say he couldn't do more reunion shows (See? I already have my own shows booked!), and also to start getting his foot back in the door and re-establish his band as the going "Beach Boys" touring concern.

Look at that schedule. THREE shows between mid-October 2012 and February 2013. They could have *easily* booked some year-end reunion gigs to try to cap the whole thing off on better terms (and that's just assuming they still wouldn't continue the reunion on any sort of even semi-permanent basis). As was bandied about some time back, even just one or two year-ending shows at the Staples Center or something could have easily been done.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Everyone back together for a Beach Boys Q&A for Sirius XM? on: August 08, 2018, 08:43:22 AM

But the email certainly deserves discussion if one wants to form an opinion of the end of C50. Mike (as per his book) is having all kinds of problems with Melinda. He has his back up from the beginning, feels he isn't given his proper place in the studio. But he is apparently supposed to be 'in charge' on the tour side. He claims Melinda starts interfering in the process, and he almost walks before the tour even starts. As it rolls along, Mike is finding several issues with, what mostly seems to be, exorbitant tour expenses from Brian's 'camp'

So when the first email comes, (and I think it's important to note that two emails are discussed), which seems to be in response to an offer in Israel, Mike mentions it as, I suppose, some justification in booking new dates. Now he also mentions a second email. The first was sent June 1, the second email, some 20 days later. Days! Not minutes or hours. If there was no further discussion within that 20 day period, I could see Mike believing that there would indeed be no more shows.  If Mike is claiming that when Melinda wrote back to ask him to disregard the original email, that it was somehow too late to reverse the wheels in motion, well that seems questionable. But, as has been discussed to death here, the reason(s) are pretty clear why the tour didn't continue. Mike liked his own setup better. Emails, studio snubs, tour expenses, in the end he was going back to M&B. I'm glad he stuck it out for as long as he did, we were treated to some great shows.

I just re-read this entire section of Mike's book again.

The "no more shows for Wilson" e-mail certainly deserves a mention when discussing C50 and its demise. And that's about it. Even if you use Mike's book as the *sole* source of info on C50, it's *patently* obvious that the e-mail has nothing to do with his attitude about the reunion, and had zero impact on his choice to not continue it. The e-mail is essentially one bit of info of something that happened; Mike doesn't even give it much context in his book and doesn't describe whether he should have maybe followed up for some clarification (but in a much later interview, he delved into that topic, more on that in a moment...).

Looking again at Mike's book, one point I haven't even been mentioning (and which, prior to the book's publication, Mike also never mentioned as far as I'm aware) is that Melinda only three weeks later said to disregard the previous e-mail. As had been the case up to that point, Mike himself doesn't express that he made ANY overtures to anybody about wanting to continue. Before, during, and after the tour, by his own words, he describes the project in resoundingly negative terms other than the music being made on stage. He literally calls it the most stressful thing he's ever dealt with. Really?

Back to how Mike could have or should have responded to such a non-sequitur e-mail, or how he thought they may have wanted him to respond, let's turn to the January 2018 MOJO interview with Mike:

So we received an offer
to perform in Israel as part of the 50th Anniversary
tour. It was quite lucrative. Before I had the chance
to even review the offer, Melinda Wilson responded
in an email and very clearly and succinctly said, “No
more shows for Wilson.” At that point there were
a ton of offers on the table
for my version of The Beach Boys, but we hadn’t
confirmed any of them at that point. So when
we received Melinda’s email saying, “No more
shows for Wilson,” we didn’t go back to them
and ask, “Oh my God, what are you thinking? We
should continue to do this” – which is what I
think they hoped we would do – we honoured
that email, we got on the phone with Terry
Rhodes of [concert agency] ICM and said, “It
looks like Brian’s done, we have to start booking
dates, as Mike’s Beach Boys are obligated
contractually to tour.” It’s very clear.


Does this sound like someone that's doing ANYTHING to try to make the reunion work? It smells very much like he's chomping at the bit to get back to his own thing, and a took a five-word e-mail without much context and didn't bother to follow-up AT ALL. (I'm setting aside the highly dubious reasoning that he was obligated to book tour dates; the existence of the C50 tour PROVES that any such obligations can be waved and/or substituted with reunion shows, especially considering three of the four BRI voting members were part of the reunion tour). 

He even spells out *precisely* the reaction I think most fans would have wanted anybody in his position to have, which was to ask *some* sort of follow-up question and express that it's crazy to not continue.

In fact, as I mentioned back when that interview was posted, *Mike's interpretation* of the e-mail seems to imply, in my opinion, that he thought the e-mail wasn't even necessarily true and that it was some sort of power play or reverse-psychology attempt to make Mike actually fight for continuing the reunion. Again, just my interpretation. The bottom line is that most any normal person with common sense who had *any* reason or desire to continue the project at hand would have asked SOME SORT of follow-up question. By his own words, Mike did not. As I also mentioned back then, for all Mike knew, Melinda was saying no more shows because Brian was ill or injured or had some issue. Mike apparently didn't write back with anything like "Oh, geez, the reunion is going so well. Is Brian okay? Why doesn't he want to do any more shows?"
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