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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: September 20, 2017, 12:46:07 PM
Updated the top posts with some recent setlists. It looks like all three Canadian shows featured the setlist which reverts back to "Wake the World/Add Some Music" and drops the newer WH songs.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Reel Tapes Library Images on: September 20, 2017, 12:43:28 PM
This is presumably talking about the mysterious pic of debatable veracity, depicting an unknown tape archive full of tapes that are apparently not in the BRI vaults, correct? The yellow labels with weird titles like "Bellagio" and "Dumb Angel" and "St. Paul Remote", etc.?

The pic does weirdly now seem to be hard to find. All of the links to it in old threads here appear to be dead. So I'd love to see the pic again if someone has it. I'm sure someone snagged it and saved it.

It appears there was some intense debate/research regarding the pic back in 2011 here, but no firm conclusions were reached.

I have a vague recollection that Ed Roach posted the pic in the last year or two on his Facebook page, and/or shared someone else's post of the pic.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 20, 2017, 07:19:58 AM
I actually think, in some instances, Brian and Al end up sounding somewhat similar these days. They end up singing in a somewhat similar range (Al talked about this back around C50, that he and Brian end up competing for the mid-range parts). I think "Run James Run" is perfectly in Al's vocal range. Obviously Brian can have a somewhat different timbre to his voice.

I think they'd both sound good on this one, but that goes for most anything Brian cuts in the studio these days. Al sings in a similar range, and his voice is in better shape. But that doesn't mean I think Brian should just give up singing and let Al do it (though an "Al Jardine" album penned by Brian could be pretty amazing).

If someone had played me "Run James Run" with some random person doing the guide vocal and asked me who should sing it, I would have said Al without question. So I'm pleasantly surprised to find I quite like Brian's vocal; it's honest-sounding. It's not super futzed-with. Brian sounds engaged and it sounds like Brian just sitting in front of you nailing a good vocal take on the song. It's not one of those deals where it sounds like one Brian, two Als, and three Fosketts were blended together and spit back out.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys recognition in public in 2017 on: September 19, 2017, 09:45:21 AM
I don't think any of these guys are super recognizable to the masses.

Al Jardine can go unrecognized at *Al Jardine* concerts! That happened when I saw him in 2005 at a local charity gig. He was eating a chocolate ice cream cone on a bench and everybody just walked past him. Even *I* almost walked past him and did a double take and then realized it was him. This was my infamous encounter where Al couldn't shake hands because he had melted ice cream cone all over it.

In the right context (if, say, the members walked through a Beatlefest convention floor or vintage record convention or something) any or all of the guys might be recognized. But just out in public, not so much.

The trick is to not do the Michael Jackson thing and have an entourage with 87 people tagging along, with bodyguards shoving people around and whatnot. Even McCartney was recently just randomly spotted on the London subway. By himself. It's not that he wouldn't be recognized (he's obviously on a whole other level compared to any of the BBs), but he doesn't get harangued and can *sometimes* go unnoticed because it's just him.

What surprises me is when band members of bands, sometimes relatively famous, will just be wandering around at their own actual gig. I get it when I'm running into Mitch Weissman in the bathroom at Beatlefest, but when like Bruce Johnston is just at the merchandise stand or at the food stand buying a coke, that's kind of surprising.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 19, 2017, 09:37:19 AM
Now that it's on Spotify, I've been able to listen several more times in decent quality. I find myself wishing-- as I do with every modern Brian recording-- that the falsetto (who's providing that- matt?) were more prominent and soaring. I'm glad it's there, but I want it out front, almost overpowering.

Sounds like Matt, and if most or all of it was indeed recorded this year, then it's definitely Matt.

I think the falsetto is mixed up just right; it's a "backing vocal" element, so it's not like it should be overpowering the instruments.

To the degree they're ever thinking of "music critics" rating this stuff, it's also worth keeping in mind that if Brian whipped out an entire album of "Falsettos Mixed Up to 11" songs, bobbing and weaving through every song, it would (probably rightly) be torn to shreds.

I think Matt's the perfect falsetto for Brian's solo stuff, and I like that it's just right and everything doesn't sound like Foskett twisting and turning covering "I Live for the Sun."
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 19, 2017, 06:23:54 AM
It would have been really weird to see a BB's concert with Carl just strumming an unamplified guitar. Even when he handed the lead over to someone else, his guitar was always in the mix.

Well, assuming for the sake or argument that Al's guitar was often mixed low or out in the live mix and Bruce was often mixed out as well, Carl *had* to play and have his guitar up in the mix, because he was either one of only two other guitarists or the only other sole guitar player in the band for most of those years, especially by the 90s. The band was never a very guitar-heavy band, but if you look at a random show from the 90s after Foskett/Baker were gone and Matt Jardine was the falsetto guy (and didn't play guitar), you only had Al and Carl playing guitar. Ed Carter (and in the last couple years Chris Farmer) was playing bass, and then you had Meros and Hinsche (and later Bonhomme) on keys. Other than Richie Cannata on sax and occasional keys, that was it.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 19, 2017, 06:17:25 AM
Haven't had a good "headphone listen" yet (I'll probably just wait for the CD on Friday for that), but while there isn't the "vocal smushing" we've been talking about in other threads prevalent on TWGMTR and, to a lesser degree, NPP, even "Run James Run" isn't a pure, unadorned single-tracked Brian vocal from top to bottom. In the choruses, there's some doubling/overlapping, and I can almost hear some Al lead lines peaking through.

I think "refreshing" is the right word for this track.

Brian puts in a good lead on this one, so I'm not quick to say I wish they had issued the Al lead. But I do think an Al lead on this track would sound great. Too bad they couldn't do a little download-only single and tack on the "Al version" as a bonus.

I'm still hoping Brian and Al do something in the studio that isn't released under "Brian Wilson", where they'll have even more leeway to just let it be an "Al track."
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: September 19, 2017, 06:12:11 AM
It's of course impossible to know what the setlist will be on this final month of shows. But I have noticed that for the last few years, the setlist gets tighter and slightly more conservative near the end. Last year, "Funky Pretty" was dropped and "Sail Away" returned for later dates.

And/or, it may just be that the setlist has reverted a tiny bit (meaning mainly just subbing the "Wake the World/Add Some Music" duo for the WH songs) because it's the beginning of this leg and they'll do more rehearsing/soundchecking.

But it is true, the current setlist is very similar to the setlist for the final dates in 2016, with the main difference being "Feel Flows" (which I'm surprised has survived the entire tour so far).

But I haven't been under any illusions as far as the setlist this year; I never assumed much would change as long as PS remained in the set. Once they move on from PS, things at least have a chance to change more.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 07:13:34 PM
Are we sure this is a 100 percent re-recording compared to the NPP recording, without hearing the NPP version? Al and Matt are still all over the backing vocals here. Seems like it would have been easier to just have Brian record over Al's lead, with various minor tweaks. I know various articles mention it was more recently recorded, but I wouldn't necessarily rule out some layers being pulled from the NPP session.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 09:59:33 AM
A cool little bonus track. Kind of like a much better, more original version of "PT Cruiser."
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 09:58:22 AM
For those having problems playing this in various browsers, here's a direct SoundCloud link that hopefully works:

https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https%3A//api.soundcloud.com/tracks/342303408%3Fsecret_token%3Ds-bbxLr&color=%23ff5500&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false&visual=
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What outtake should've been included on BW Anthology instead of Some Sweet Day? on: September 18, 2017, 06:38:08 AM
In computer there is bunch of songs "Demos & Outtakes by Brian Wilson". SSD Track 10.You see, the songs I like 1. sung by by smb. else ("Out in the Country", "London's A Lonely Town") 2. feature young voice ("Beginning of the End") 3. feature 2 vocals ("Elbow 64"). It'd be bad move to add these to new BW comp. I stand by SSD. Btw, "It's Not Easy Being Me" is really boring. What do you like about it?

You mentioned in a previous post that you "dislike the melancholic type songs", and "It's Not Easy Being Me" is arguably as melancholic and self-loathing/self-pitying as it can get, so it makes sense you wouldn't like it.

To me, I think the song has some strong chord changes, and nice shift in the bridge section. The whole thing does riff perhaps a bit too much on "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times", and while I think his melancholic stuff is some of the best stuff he's done (how one could be a huge BW fan while not liking "melancholic" stuff escapes me, but however this stuff speaks to listeners is fine by me), "It's Not Easy Being Me", just in terms of its title, does sound a bit too directly self-pitying. I like that Brian doesn't go around in every interview and volunteer unprompted that "you don't know how hard it is to be me!", so perhaps that's why the song hasn't rushed to the top of the list of songs to take a new look at.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 18, 2017, 06:27:39 AM
Just in my opinion, it doesn't help the "Bruce is important instrumentally in the live shows" argument to find the five moments in the show where he's actually playing something and it's mixed into the live mix. Like Al with his guitar, we know Bruce can play piano well. And like Al, I've always just thought of Bruce's stage instrument since the mid 80s or so mainly as a way to allow him to sing without looking weird by just standing there with no instrument.

It's the same as even Brian and the debates since 1999 about what Brian plays or doesn't play. We know Brian can play piano/keyboard. So it's not a question of ability. It's just a question of stage presentation.

With Al or Brian, they play integral parts in their live shows vocally. The problem has sometimes been with Bruce that, especially on the shorter shows where he sings one or no leads, it starts standing out that he seems to be possibly somewhat unneeded, with the main question being how much he remains in the vocal stack. I'd say the same of Brian if he had sung no leads on C50; why even have him there then?

I think all of these guys would be well-served to do some small-scale gigs completely solo, sort of almost a "Q & A" sort of thing with a host/moderator, who could ask them questions and then prompt them to play songs with solo accompaniment. Al did this a bit back around 2012 with some record store appearances. Brian and Bruce could do something like this as well.

I'd rather hear Brian or Bruce or Al do even half-aborted solo live performances of songs as they discuss their life and career than see them burp through "Barbara Ann" again.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What outtake should've been included on BW Anthology instead of Some Sweet Day? on: September 18, 2017, 06:19:40 AM
I've often wondered if either Brian has developed a distaste for "It's Not Easy Being Me", or if they're saving it for something else, because it seems to be one of the most glaring stand-out tracks of what's left of the known Paley stuff. I dunno, maybe he thinks the title is too self-indulgent or something.

Or it's just as likely it's sitting around unreleased for the same reason the other 427 noteworthy BB and BW unreleased tracks sit unreleased, which is for no apparent particular reason other than ignoring the stuff.

It starts to blow my mind to think that even *more well-documented* and obsessed-over unreleased catalogs like McCartney's end up having a TON of stuff hardcore students of his don't even know about. I'm guessing beyond the easily TWENTY discs of unreleased studio material of the BBs and BW that we *know* about that could be released, there's a ton we know *nothing* about. Brian demos we've never heard of. Al probably has a whole room full of weird tapes we don't know about. I've been discussing recently the likelihood of post-1985 unreleased Carl compositions, and so on.

We need something at least closer to a "floodgates" scenario than a "one or two tracks on a 'best of' compilation" scenario, though of course it's never a bad thing to have a crack at two "new" Brian tracks.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: smile 2018 on: September 18, 2017, 06:13:11 AM
A "Lucky Old Sun" tour wouldn't sell tickets/promoters. A "Smile" show would, but Brian has said recently he doesn't enjoy singing "Surf's Up" (which Brian and Matt have done as recently as 2015) and other more verbose songs. So I would guess "Smile" would be out (plus 2017 would have been the year to market around a 50th anniversary).

I don't think Brian's tour operation could afford to go *smaller* than the venues he plays currently, which are mostly indoor theaters with some sheds mixed in here and there (and some festival gigs). The band is too big to play clubs and tiny theaters. They can probably afford to do one-off things like the old Roxy gigs, especially if they're doing it to capture a live album or something. But a club tour with the huge band and operation would lose money quickly.

I think if Brian wants to keep touring, they should just craft a setlist from his whole catalog. I don't need more themed shows. Even a "Wild Honey" album performance wasn't always a huge "wish list" item for me; I'd rather see him dig deeper into another album than do "How She Boogalooed It." Not that I dislike anything on the WH album. I just think the way to go is a well-rounded setlist, crafted first and foremost with songs Brian *likes* to sing, because that's when he's at his best and most energetic. Beyond that, a few more Al-centric numbers (Lookin' at Tomorrow, Santa Ana Winds, etc.), and give Blondie another song or two (or my oft-cited idea of a mid-show mini set with Al and Blondie while Brian rests).
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 15, 2017, 02:00:08 PM
Brian and Al are more than available! Evil

I seriously wonder if Brian and Mike will ever speak again before one of them passes...

I think all of us can agree it's a sad state of affairs, and considering Brian's stated attitude in 2012, it's Mike who began the estrangement.

But yeah, I can only hope they're not relegated to a Robbie Robertson-Levon Helm deathbed reconciliation (or worse, not even that).

And, at the risk of trying to give advice to a 76-year-old man that I've never met, even as hardened as Mike is and as much as he doesn't like Melinda, I think if something happened to Brian it would affect him *a lot* more than he might even be aware of. I think there are some ghosts and relationships and bonds all buried deep in all of this.

It almost certainly isn't happening, but there's still a chance to for them to personally *and* professionally ride off into the sunset together. Who knows? Let's hope Bruce just has a cold or something, but Bruce missing some gigs certainly reaffirms that the clock is ticking and has been for some time.

I'm not convinced a present-day "Beach Boys" show is much different without Bruce. But a full "reunion" show would start to look a little more chintzy if Bruce wasn't there. He was at least somewhat more prominent at C50 shows and on the TWGMTR album that he is at many if not most Mike shows.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 15, 2017, 01:51:27 PM
Looks like Stamos is filling in for Bruce for the next week or two...

I don't think it's clear whether Stamos was called due to Bruce's absence, or if Stamos was already scheduled to do one of his regular stints.


Yeah I agree. The reason i thought it was likely is because the first mention of it i could find on stamos twitter was only about 10 days ago. Also, i live in phoenix where theyre playing in a few days and there hasnt been 1 mention in the paper or anything about stamos playing, so it led me to believe this was somewhat last minute. Don't they usually announce his dates more in advance?

Also, stamos isnt an exact "fill-in" for bruce, but it seems like the BB in general don't like to have someone missing without someone replacing them. Just speculation of course. Neither would suprise me.

I haven't tracked Stamos's guest runs with Mike closely over the years. He typically does the longer runs of the shows with MIke in the summer. So I don't know how common a late summer run in September is.

They announced the Stamos dates before Mike published Bruce's bit about missing shows. But we obviously have no idea how long Bruce's thing has been going on. It's obviously none of our business, so it's unclear if he's just got a bad cold or something, or if it's something more serious.

I'm curious if Mike acknowledged last night (and/or plans to acknowledge in upcoming shows) Bruce's absence. I somehow doubt he ever mentioned in his first non-Al shows in 1998 that Al was absent, but those were obviously quite different circumstances.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 01:12:43 PM
Also worth pointing out is that Brian's non-participation in the "Kokomo" session isn't necessarily that big of a deal in reference to Mike's attitude about the song. That is, the most Brian involvement would have been singing some background vocals. I don't think they were inviting Brian to be a fifth co-writer on the song.

To the degree Mike would have or ultimately did bandy about the "I made a hit without Brian" argument, he could have pretty much made that argument even if Brian had recorded background vocals.

It's also interesting that looking at something like Al mostly single-handedly crafting a relative hit (and certainly a relative fluke of a hit) with "Come Go With Me", I don't think Al ever gleefully noted he did it without Brian, etc.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 01:05:43 PM
Mike would have easily deflected any icky feelings people might have about his attitude about "Kokomo" if he had just acknowledged it as a nice surprise hit, a nice shot in the arm for the band. Instead, it's his "Sgt. Pepper." Mike gleefully points out Brian's lack of involvement.

Based on the scant info we have about the band's attitude towards the song prior to releasing it, nobody seemed to think it was going to be anything but another "Chasin' the Sky."

Brian's non-involvement is often cited, and how it was a weird power play thing with Landy, etc. But lost in that discussion often is that it probably wasn't a big deal *at the time* because it was just another random soundtrack bit that they had done several times.

Mike, in "Endless Harmony", uses an interesting wording when discussing work on the track: "Brian was called and asked to be a part of Kokomo." He talks about the session and the song as if it's an *EVENT*, not simply a one-off vocal session for a random soundtrack. But nobody, including Mike, thought it was going to be a big event or a huge hit. To my knowledge, and I could be wrong, I don't think Mike has often or ever claimed he just *knew* it was going to be a #1 prior to it being released.

In any event, Mike takes way more credit for the song's impact on the band and its history, and rates it far higher, than he should. In turn, maybe some fans minimize it too much. It's easy to sound like a naysayer to try to put the whole thing in perspective. It was #1 for ONE week, and everything Love and Melcher did after that stunk up the charts (or didn't chart at all). It's a pretty textbook example of a fluke; a very good fluke for the band, and one that deserves credit for crafting a catchy song.

There are people like Al Jardine who, while clearly not being enamored with the song, will gladly point out it was a good shot I the arm for the band. I'd wager even Brian would say so.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 15, 2017, 12:55:34 PM
Looks like Stamos is filling in for Bruce for the next week or two...

I don't think it's clear whether Stamos was called due to Bruce's absence, or if Stamos was already scheduled to do one of his regular stints.

Either way, he's not in any real sense filling in for Bruce; he doesn't sing in the harmony stack and doesn't play keyboards.

While I posit this more out of amusement than intense interest, does anybody think Stamos would drop his acting deal if Mike wanted him full-time in the band? Or is the whole novelty of the thing that Stamos only drops in from time to time?
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Song to Sing . . . on: September 15, 2017, 12:06:11 PM

If I had the chance to interview Mike Love, I would ask him what his favorite song to sing would be, not considering the audience reaction.  Mike would probably base his response on what the audience does, but I am guess he may have a difference answer if you took that out of the equation.    

Mike:   Pieces Brothers?
Carl:  Darlin' or Dancin' in the Streets
Bruce:  I Write the Songs
Brian:  Vegetables
Al:  Runaway

Wait, Carl sang Dancin in the Street?!  I've never heard this - is it available anywhere?  

I actually read a quote somewhere in which he said his favorite song to perform live was Surfin' USA, because of the energy of the song.  

They performed "Dancing in the Street" in the early 90s, mostly 1991 and apparently some shows in 1992-93 as well. A lot of the performances during the time (but not all) seemed to be outside of the US for some reason.

The setlist.fm website shows Mike's band having done in a couple of times, once in 2011 and once in 2015.

Thanks, Hey Jude!  I'll have to have a close look through some of the videos from that era on YT and see if I can find it. 

There's audio of one up there on YouTube from 1991. I think it's combined with "Dance Dance Dance."
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Favorite Song to Sing . . . on: September 15, 2017, 11:52:57 AM

If I had the chance to interview Mike Love, I would ask him what his favorite song to sing would be, not considering the audience reaction.  Mike would probably base his response on what the audience does, but I am guess he may have a difference answer if you took that out of the equation.    

Mike:   Pieces Brothers?
Carl:  Darlin' or Dancin' in the Streets
Bruce:  I Write the Songs
Brian:  Vegetables
Al:  Runaway

Wait, Carl sang Dancin in the Street?!  I've never heard this - is it available anywhere?  

I actually read a quote somewhere in which he said his favorite song to perform live was Surfin' USA, because of the energy of the song.  

They performed "Dancing in the Street" in the early 90s, mostly 1991 and apparently some shows in 1992-93 as well. A lot of the performances during the time (but not all) seemed to be outside of the US for some reason.

The setlist.fm website shows Mike's band having done it a couple of times, once in 2011 and once in 2015.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Get well Bruce! on: September 15, 2017, 09:58:22 AM
If anyone is curious what a Bruce-less show looks like, here you go. From last night's show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gizxcXadimQ
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 09:44:58 AM
It's also worth always keeping in mind that Mike (or anyone) doesn't necessarily get an equal cut of royalties based on number of writers. That is, a "Wilson/Love" track may not be a 50/50 royalty split. Same is possible with "Kokomo"; Mike may not get a full 25% of the royalties. That's all hashed out in publishing agreements, etc.

For instance, a lot of the Brian/Mike songs are cases where Brian wrote all of the music, and also co-wrote the lyrics with Mike. So Mike might get something closer to 25% of some of those songs rather than 50, and sometimes regardless of whether the sheet music simply says "Words and Music by Wilson/Love" as opposed to "Words by Wilson/Love, Music by Wilson."
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 09:21:08 AM
Has anyone asked Mike about his contributions to "We Got Love?"  I presume lyrics but that's another Blondie/Ricky song.

I have a vague recollection that Mike was asked about the song in an interview in the last few years (perhaps the "Holland" themed issue of ESQ?) and he didn't have any specific recollection of what he added. I don't think he claimed he didn't contribute. Rather, he just didn't have any specific recollections on that one.
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