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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: Today at 01:56:51 PM
I haven't watched that new video yet, but it was established a number of years ago that they have partial multi-track vocals for the song. You can hear some isolated vocal parts in the "Love and Mercy" film.

Off the top of my head, I want to say they have parts of one of Carl's lead vocal overdubs, and then partial backing vocal overdubs. But it's all incomplete compared to the finished master.

Here is what Alan Boyd said in a post here back in 2015 in response to questions about "Love and Mercy" and the song's use in that film:

We do have in the archives partial vocals for "Good Vibrations," from a copy of an original 4 track master.  This 4 track (which now exists only in a vintage 8 track copy) only had some of the vocal parts, none of them doubled, and was apparently copied to a separate, now missing 8 track onto which Brian would have then added all of the rest of the vocal parts and layers heard in the final mix. 
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: Today at 09:54:21 AM
The car thing at least is a reasonable "gee, things have sure changed" train of thought and is somewhat endearing in a regular-old-guy-rambling-on kind of way.

But the "weirdly kind of taking credit for" (well said) the Wrecking Crew's livelihood and ability to buy real estate is just hilariously tone-deaf. I had no idea they were such a charity case.   LOL



And I have to say a hardcore Wrecking Crew expert I am not; but I've always had the impression those musicians were already regularly-working musicians prior to BB session work. And frankly, if the BBs were going to take credit for it (whether justified or not), Bruce wouldn't really be the guy to do so as much as Brian (obviously).

I do think some of what Bruce is doing with the "that car would be worth so much now!" may just be a kind of typical old due waxing about the past. I'm not nearly as old as those guys, and I'm sure I've opined that stuff I owned as a kid might be worth a ton now.

But I do think Bruce's internal politics/ethos seems to place a higher-than-usual emphasis on money, even among rich old guys.

Again, I've known some folks who own extravagant things, both new and from the distant past, and they usually are the exact opposite of fixating on what something costs or what it's worth.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: Today at 09:03:32 AM
The interview clip with Bruce Johnson gushing over The Wrecking Crew's real estate investments is pretty far out there. Whew.



I think I mentioned awhile back that multiple Bruce interview segments seem comically fixated on money. He talks about the Wrecking Crew, but fixates on not just that they were able to make a living (weirdly kind of taking credit for saving their livelihood as if BB session work was their only gig keeping them from toiling away in "jazz clubs"), but specifically that they were able to make money, build credit, etc.

Then, in another interview, he fondly recalls the XKE or whatever it was that he bought in '66, but the first thing he mentions is what it would be worth *today.*

I'm not saying there's anything inaccurate about his comments; it's just *very telling* how much he fixates on the money aspect of it all, seemingly above the artistic aspect.

You'd think a super rich guy living near Oprah in Beverly Hills or wherever would be the *last* guy fixated on what his past or present cars are worth, as if he's going to sell them on eBay or something. I mean, I don't recall ever hearing, say, Carl or Al fixate on the fact that their vintage Fender gear would be worth collectively hundreds of thousands of dollars. I don't think Carl owned "Old Yeller" (a hugely prized, expensive guitar all on its own) because it was a valuable investment; he just liked the guitar.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: Today at 06:37:32 AM
They apparently played the (relatively) obscure track "She Rides with Me" (a Wilson-Christian penned track) recently.

I'm also still seeing more Bruce & Terry, and their Rutles-esque series of Beach Boys ripoffs is indeed prolific.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB in UK --- No reviews !?! on: Today at 06:32:10 AM
Christian Love came back? Is Foskett out?

Eichenberger left at the end of last year/beginning of this year, and Mike "the C50 tour band was too big and expensive" Love replaced him with two band members: He brought back Christian Love and also brought in a new (presumably less vocally prominent) bass player, which last I checked was still a guy named Keith Hubacher.

Mike has now ballooned his touring band to nine members, and *ten* when Stamos sits in. As opposed to the seven-person lineup he had going for years.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: Today at 06:27:08 AM
The larger issue of why RPO releases do well in the UK and not the US isn't entirely clear, though I would imagine some factors including advertising budget relative to the country's population and the obvious UK-centric nature of the RPO itself play a role.

But in terms of how recent RPO releases have played out, this BB release is pretty much precisely on the nose as far as where it would be expected to perform. It's performing *very* similarly in both the US and UK to the last similar RPO release from last year featuring Orbison.

There are other similarities as well, including both the BBs and Orbison having already had a gazillion hits repackagings floating around over the years, and their respective RPO releases being mostly hits-centric as opposed to closely cultivating a list of songs that would be best suited to orchestral accompaniment.

Relative to other BB releases, the UK and US have often flip-flopped for whatever reason. "Sunshine Tomorrow" hit #145 in the US and #49 in the UK. Meanwhile, back in 2012, "That's Why God Made the Radio" hit #3 in the US but only #15 in the UK.

Given all the factors, while I'm sure Capitol/UMe would have loved to see the RPO album do even better in the US, I doubt they're surprised by the chart placement.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: Yesterday at 12:42:31 PM
It charted on the Billboard 200 this week at #165.

That sounds about right. That falls in line generally with how the Orbison album did. I expected the album would at least creep into the Top 200.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: Yesterday at 12:38:16 PM
Someone may have already confirmed it, but I can confirm they're playing stuff from not only the original PS Sessions set, but also the "50th Anniversary" PS set from 2016, as they recently played the live '93 NYC version of "Caroline, No."
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: Yesterday at 12:21:53 PM
Oops, looks like this article (about Keith Moon digging the Beach Boys) incorrectly suggested Al was playing with Mike and Bruce for the Hampton Court shows:

https://www.nwitimes.com/entertainment/music/keith-moon-sent-letter-to-beach-boys-asking-to-join/article_49eacb48-2811-5c34-966c-da7de41e42c7.html
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: Yesterday at 12:19:33 PM
Added an 11/13 Kansas City, MO show (Greatest Hits) to the top post schedule.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: Yesterday at 10:15:29 AM
The track selection, especially when they're not working from the super common songs, is certainly interesting if nothing else.

I've caught "Monster Mash" from both the '64 and '65 copyright extension sets. Not exactly their A-list material.

And hey, if you're gonna play "Monster Mash", might as well work in some of their X-Mas material! I wouldn't be surprised if the XMas Album, "Ultimate Christmas" tracks, and maybe even Brian's X-mas album get worked into the rotation eventually.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB in UK --- No reviews !?! on: Yesterday at 08:14:59 AM
You can always at least check in on setlist.fm to see if someone posted a setlist to a given show. They have one of the Hampton Court setlists up on there.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BB in UK --- No reviews !?! on: Yesterday at 07:20:11 AM
Been searching, cant find any reviews from Hampton Court. Did find GV on youtube, with Christian sounding ok. Are the guys losing traditional fans....and will their Royal Phil fans buy tickets to make up the difference ? Enthusiasm, anyone ??

Mike has diluted the BB name/trademark by doing 150+ gigs per year, EVERY year, so there just isn't a ton of interest in his day-to-day, month-to-month touring even among hardcore fan communities.

You might find certain boards/communities that seem to go out of their way to be more sympathetic and proselytize on Mike's behalf where there is more discussion of his ongoing touring, though even in those circles I don't see a ton of day-to-day coverage of his band.

Also, I think those Hampton Court gigs are shorter gigs, plus Mike is still filling even his shortened gigs with proportionately a lot of "Unleash the Love" material, which I think even hardcore Mike fans acknowledge (privately if not publically) is a pretty abysmal album.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: Yesterday at 07:09:52 AM
Good lord, I probably put in about two total hours of listening over the course of about 18 hours and heard "Talk To Me/Tallahassee Lassie" FIVE times.

They are also severely wearing out the 45 version of "Cotton Fields" for some bizarre reason. I also hear "When I Grow Up" at least 3-4 times per day during my 1-2 hours of listening. And of course they're still playing a ton of the surf/car songs.

They are sporadically doing the "playing both sides of the single" segment, and weirdly chose "Sail on Sailor/Only With You" yesterday. Not bad!

But still enjoying the channel. The fun, weird "Wtf?" moments seems to be lessening, and I think I do have to start watching how much I listen to the channel before it severely burns me out on some core hits as well as the other random stuff they seem to play disproportionately often.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: June 18, 2018, 03:52:55 PM
Added a new July 4 gig to the top post schedule. Will update some setlist links soon.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE Era Message on: June 18, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
Someone posted on Facebook that they have this ad, and claim it was designed by Dean Torrence. Weigh accordingly; vintage BB ads are not my precise area of hardcore expertise.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: June 18, 2018, 01:15:24 PM
When I saw Al here in Atlanta, I had him sign the "Vegetables" single that came in the "Smile" box set. He asked what it was , never seen it! Do the Beach Boys not get copies of everything that comes out? Do they not even care to look it over, after all it does make their house payments!

That's just a typical Al comment. He probably saw it back when it came out. I think he just isn't hardcore enough to retain all that trivia. And it's not even an age thing; I recall a fan story from the 70s where someone asked Al to sign a copy of the stock "Smiley Smile" album, and they alleged Al acted like it was some weird, rare, bootleg specimen or something.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: June 18, 2018, 01:13:36 PM
Added "Greatest Hits" dates for 11/15, 11/17, 11/20, and 11/21, and a PS show for 11/16 all to the top post schedule.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike isn't surfing as much anymore on: June 18, 2018, 12:51:52 PM
The thing about the heroin thing is that i actually believe carl about the drinks and pills being why he was so bad. The way he was is actually way more like that than someone on heroin.  I'm sure they did/bought heroin on that tour, but as for the infamous show(s) its actually more believable he was on pills/drunk because thats exactly what would happen to you.

Valium completely makes alcohol stronger. So 2 drinks would make it feel like 6 drinks, which is what he sounded like. I've never seen anyone on heroin slurring his words like that.

Have you read the Steven Gaines "Heroes and Villians" book? It contains seemingly more or less verbatim transcripts of some of the conversations the band had with management, etc. The strong implication (can't remember if Pamplin confirmed or not on this board when he was posting here) was that someone literally recorded the conversation.

In any event, while I don't recall that Carl literally says he (Carl) took heroin, he was clearly having a unique episode across the shows on that tour.

But frankly, even if he only "took pills" and drank, that was just as unprofessional. It wasn't something he regularly did (though recordings going all the way back to late 1976/early 1977 show him slurring due to presumably drinking). But he still seemed (again, quite understandably) cagey when addressing what was going on. I'm sure NOBODY in those 1978 Australia press conferences wanted Carl to tell the media that Brian and Dennis were diving into a big bag of heroin.

I don't even mind Mike bringing up the Australia '78 heroin stuff. I just think he lacks any empathy or context for presenting the story. Whenever he talks about the Wilson brothers and their substance abuse issues, it's always with a "they f**ed up and I didn't" attitude.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: June 18, 2018, 08:16:05 AM
Oh, and having heard "Mother May I" *way* too many times, they can actually scrub that one from the playlist with no complaints from me. Arguably the most annoying thing they ever committed to tape.

I heard "Cuckoo Clock" come on last night and was kind of annoyed, and then thought "well, it's still better than 'Mother May I'."

But as Wirestone alluded to, to some degree, some super early stuff is not coming off the strongest, stuff like "Mother May I", "Cuckoo Clock", "Finders Keepers", "Ten Little Indians", etc.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Channel on Sirius XM on: June 18, 2018, 08:08:35 AM
There was some question as to whether they had played anything yet from the actual '64 "Concert" album (as opposed to the 1964 copyright extension set), but I did see/hear them play something from the '64 "Concert" album on Friday, I believe.



I have to say, while it's clearly "anything goes" on the channel and some level of relative randomness, it's still trippy to hear them play something like "Fall Breaks and Back to Winter."

Also caught Brian's "Make a Wish" the other day, and I hadn't tracked a lot of the GIOMH album in quite awhile. That one's not too bad, one of the better SI outtakes remade on that album. Brian actually has a relatively spirited vocal on that one as well.

Saw on another board someone speculating about a "74 Hollywood" version of "Good Vibrations", and speculating it might be some unreleased version from a New Year's Eve Dick Clark show or something. But no, it's just the live version from the 2006 Hallmark "Songs from Here and Back" CD (I'm guessing this person didn't have the app that displays the cover art).
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Australia TV Interview...Trouble in Paradise on: June 18, 2018, 06:42:33 AM
Also unfortunate that the article wrongly implies it's Brian's health that's impacting how much he associates these days with Mike. Whatever Brian's current health status, he hasn't (to our knowledge) been in the same room as Mike since September 28, 2012. Mike quitting the band in September of 2012, and his subsequent volunteering of how he feels about Melinda and Brian, has likely played a role in their relative estrangement, not Brian's health.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's back (his actual back) on: June 18, 2018, 06:40:33 AM
It's not for nothing, as well, that Brian *looks* great in those pics with Carnie. Rest assured, if he had taken some sort of serious downturn and was readmitted, he'd look worse for the wear and you wouldn't see Carnie posting pics.

I'm also guessing they want to be as proactive as Brian's health is allowing in rehabbing, as he's due to go back out on tour in less than a month now (which would presumably be preceded by at least a little bit of rehearsal).
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Australia TV Interview...Trouble in Paradise on: June 18, 2018, 06:30:23 AM
I guess I can't fault an Australian journalist for asking about the '78 tour, but I certainly think this article was weirdly written to snatch controversy and tabloidesque scandal from the jaws of success and victory (e.g. the new symphonic album).

Mike at this stage in his career should know better than to fuel what is inevitably going to be another "let's remember the bad times" articles on the band. He did this when he was plugging his book, happily *literally* name-dropping Charles Manson in every interview to sell books.

Note that Brian nor Al (nor Dave of course) have tried to sell their ongoing projects and tours on the back of s***ting on Mike.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Australia TV Interview...Trouble in Paradise on: June 18, 2018, 06:27:11 AM
Standard question for any Australian interviewer. ‘What about that Perth concert in 1978?’

I'm sure, and perhaps rightly so considering the band members for decades never really gave a fully straightforward answer. Even Carl in another European interview in 1989 was asked about it and kind of hedged.

*However*, I don't think Mike has regularly specifically just blurted out in interviews what has only been detailed in a few books (Gaines, Stebbins, perhaps White?), namely specifically that some of the brothers (allegedly I guess I should still say) purchased heroin during that tour.

Not coincidentally, Mike has never, to my knowledge, mentioned the detail that promoter David Frost, when told that the band planned to can Dennis (temporarily at least) and send him home, was *adamant* that Dennis was *so popular* that he refused to finance the tour without Dennis's participation. And frankly, at least on the extant audio and footage, Dennis is the least problematic/weird of the three Wilson brothers.

Frankly, with Carl off the rails, Brian weirding out, and Mike hamming it up with such illustrious numbers as "Country Pie", the band owed a huge debt mainly to Al Jardine on that tour for holding things together (note that even in the Dennis Wilson bio by Stebbins that he points out Al should be commended for holding the thing together), and to a lesser degree Dennis for at least *appearing* to be pretty sober and doing his thing for the Australian fans.
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