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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Easter Seals Show 1979 on: October 16, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
I would indeed imagine some variation of "Mike filling in for Dennis" is the root of the choice. And sure, this is all over-analysis. It's just a curio; I've always been fascinated by Mike singing this song this one time, and it doesn't anger me or trouble me. It was a quick TV gig and I'm sure they never thought about it again.

I think the succession of events above is quite plausible as to what their thinking was. But it doesn't make it actually make sense as an observer, then or now.

But I certainly don't buy the "Mike needs something to do" idea; they band had regularly over the years appeared on TV (and of course in concert) and featured other vocalists where Mike didn't have much to do. Mike sings backing vocals. The same year, Mike backed Dennis singing "Angel Come Home" on "Midnight Special." Presumably, Mike would have been backing Dennis singing "Good Timin'" at this Easter Seals gig had Dennis been there and sang it.

And again, and I'm not trying to be overly-harsh on Mike (Brian sounded pretty blargh singing "Good Timin" on the C50 tour too; the song evidently *seems* much easier to sing than it actually is), but he sounds really stilted and tentative (to put it politely) singing "Good Timin'" on this TV show. More harshly, he's kind of flat and the tone and timbre of his voice is completely wrong for the song (even in '78 he could use a "smooth" voice on other songs better-suited for his voice, like some of the MIU tracks). In terms of presentation, performance, and sound, it makes a million times more sense to have Carl sing it, or even Brian or Bruce or Al.

2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Easter Seals Show 1979 on: October 16, 2018, 06:12:57 AM
The "Mike filling in for Dennis" theory has always seemed the most plausible to me out of the available potential obvious reasons. It's still a screwy decision though. Yes, it allows Carl to sing the falsetto backing part. But, even being as kind a possible to Mike, the song is just so out of his wheelhouse even for his 1979 voice and comes off so tentative and "undersung" when he does it, the obvious first impression on any potential audience is going to be far more poor with Mike out front singing *that* lead than the alternative of Carl singing it and either Bruce or Bobby singing that falsetto part and the rest of the backing vocals sounding a bit thinner, or nobody singing that falsetto part and the group backing vocals sounding a bit thicker.

Dennis didn't sound *amazing* singing the lead (in the few examples we have), but he sounds okay, far better still than this Mike performance. Dennis's voice was raspy when singing the song, but he didn't sing it flat or awkwardly or tentatively.

And, as it turned out, most 1979-1980 and 1982 live performances I've heard with Carl on lead have a pretty minimal falsetto vocal (presumably via Bobby Figueroa), and in some cases either due to performance of mix variances, there is virtually *no* falsetto part and you just hear the "good, good timin" group backing vocals. And it sounds okay. The Washington DC '80 TV special/DVD is a good example of this. You can hear a bit of a falsetto part peeking through, but barely. That performance still comes across much better than the '79 Easter Seals performance.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Easter Seals Show 1979 on: October 15, 2018, 06:33:47 PM
This is where a bunch of those epic "Brian as Gotham Detective Harvey Bullock" pics came from:

4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Easter Seals Show 1979 on: October 15, 2018, 02:32:42 PM
It made the rounds for years on VHS, etc. I have it buried away somewhere on VHS. I think this was up on YouTube YEARS ago, but not for a long time.

Nice to see it back up. Maybe someday someone will have an explanation for why Mike was saddled with singing "Good Timin'" with Carl standing right there in perfect voice. An explanation other than "why not?"
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018/2019 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: October 12, 2018, 12:44:02 PM
Added the two additional shows to the top post schedule. Al's site says he's playing the Mohegan Sun Arena, but I think that's like a big actual "arena" with 10,000+ seats, so I'm guessing he playing in a different, smaller venue.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Dennis' Voice 1980-1981 on: October 12, 2018, 07:11:26 AM
What's ironic is that, even with a hobbled voice by 1980, there are *other* songs Dennis could have tried that probably would have been easier on his voice (and the audience's ears) than "You Are So Beautiful." Even the stuff he was doing in 1979 like "Angel Come Home" would have taxed his voice a bit less.

Doing a song that requires such a range of notes, and doing it in such a naked fashion with only piano accompaniment, unfortunately only revealed his deteriorated voice even more. A full band behind a less taxing song would have worked better. But I get it, he didn't even rejoin the touring band until mid-1980, and by 1981/82 was missing shows sporadically to a degree where they probably weren't likely to have a bunch of Dennis songs rehearsed and ready to go.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018/2019 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: October 12, 2018, 07:03:51 AM
Added an Oakland setlist and the February 2019 NYC show to the top post (I'll just combine 2018 and 2019 tour dates/discussion into this one thread for now, until or if a substantial number of 2019 shows come about).
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love is in the white house on: October 12, 2018, 07:00:12 AM
The awkward part that didn't make it into most news reports is the part where Mike started telling the story again of how Donald Trump helped Paul McCartney write "Back in the USSR."

He also threw down the gauntlet, noting how "We continue to do about 180 shows per year. I'd like to see Whitney Houston top that!"

And then the part where Mike and Kanye West pointed out that Dennis Wilson did drugs and drank alcohol, I think that really spoke to the heart of what this new bill is all about....

And somehow he once again managed to call Mick Jagger "chickens**t" for unknown reasons....

Billy Joel will *not* be tickling the ivories in relation to this event I'm guessing......

I thought the speech ended well, with Mike pointing out that his bill will *once and for all* put an end to Al Jardine trying to tour as "Beach Boys Family & Friends"......

9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Royal Philharmonic Orchestra Album Discussion Thread on: October 09, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
Read a recent interview with Orbison's son; they are apparently churning out a second volume of Orbison RAH re-records. Uggh.

I don't know what's in the Orbison vaults, but I believe there's likely oodles of unreleased stuff that should be released. Unfortunately, his estate is now on the track of doing "hologram" tours, orchestral re-records, and trying for the millionth time to do an Orbison biopic.

I wouldn't be surprised if the BB set sees a second volume as well. It didn't sell super well in the US, but sold well in the UK. I don't think it's needed; unless it's along side more vault releases.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine - 2018 Tour Thread - Postcards Storytellers Tour on: October 05, 2018, 02:34:22 PM
Al's got a few shows coming up here. Hope to hear some good reports.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al in Oakland on: October 05, 2018, 02:33:50 PM
There's a thread here for Al's tour:,25616.0.html
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love - \ on: October 03, 2018, 07:47:02 AM
I hear autotune-ish stuff going on with this new track. Sounds very synthetic and processed still like the "Unleash" stuff.

I think Mike may be hitting that Paul McCartney-ish wall of not really being able to grind out a truly good lead vocal in the studio, even with time and studio effects (autotune or otherwise). His voice sounds pretty thrashed in terms of tone and timbre on this new recording. I would imagine part of this is that his voice is shredded a lot of the time due to over-touring (and indeed he seems to record these studio projects during downtime between tour dates).
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: October 03, 2018, 07:43:58 AM
Saw the Winery show on 9-16.   Christian was back, vocals not as good as when I last  saw them.   They did unleash the love.    The show and music had improved over the years but either this was an off night or they are losing ground vocally.

They usually jam pack the schedule in the late summer, with few nights off. I've noticed for years now that shows in the middle or near the end of long runs with few if any breaks tend to have the band in lower energy and sounding not quite as sharp. It's the cost of trying to always shoehorn in 150 shows per year and play every theater, amphitheater, winery, casino, fair, and bowling alley they possibly can.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1968 Copyright Extension prediction thread on: October 03, 2018, 07:41:11 AM
Doesn't Brian have a microphone in front of him in those recent studio shots? I assumed he was cutting a vocal (or doing voiceover work?), and simply doing it "direct" from the booth and was sitting because he probably still needs to do even studio work sitting due to his back.

Anything is possible, and the fact that he's sitting with no headphones and no engineer is in sight leaves open the possibility that he's listening rather than recording. (The sheets looks like longer-form paragraphs rather than track listings, but who knows).
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Listened today to Come Go With Me & realized BBs sing it better on: October 03, 2018, 07:37:49 AM
Regarding BB cover versions, I think as time has gone by, I'm more at ease with just bluntly stating that in the case of amazing bands like the Beach Boys or the Beatles, when they covered a song, they usually made it their own and their versions became the best versions (I'm not including the latter-day covers on things like the SIP album; I'm mainly talking about 60s and to some degree the 70s).

It's always interesting to hear the original versions, and credit is obviously always due to the original writers. And usually, the original (or older) versions the BBs or Beatles were listening to were good records, good enough to catch their ears.

But Brian (and the Beatles in their case) were able to concentrate the best aspects of older songs they were covering, and then bring their unmatched pop/rock sensibilities, making their versions often the definitive versions.

16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine \ on: September 21, 2018, 01:21:18 PM
The vinyl thing is largely a trend. Check out a "Barnes & Noble" store; there's more vinyl than CDs now.

I think it's a "collector" thing to some degree, and also an (often, not always) incorrect perception that the vinyl is going to sound "better." It's kind of a hipster/status thing.

To be clear, there are genuinely well-done pressings (e.g. vinyl reissues of old albums cut through a true analog chain and not mastered from a digital source, etc.), but even those are often only going to sound better if the actual pressing quality is up to snuff, and if the listener has a pretty good set up. A $50 turntable with a built-in pre-amp bought at Target or Sharper Image isn't that.

And I think at least some vinyl is still cut not even from high-rez digital sources but from 16/44.1 CD masterings.

For the most part, vinyl is still awesome if you want big, 12-inch artwork.

Ironically, a lot of stuff now is making it out as "vinyl only." I recently had to purchase a deluxe "Unsolved Mysteries" soundtrack release, and it was only released on vinyl. No CD, and not even any digital download option. The license was for vinyl only.

In the case of Al's "Postcards", it is essentially out of print now. I don't believe it's available to purchase digitally, may or may not even be on streaming sites, and can only be purchased on CD if you go to one of his club gigs (I'm guessing it's not currently in print, and Al simply has boxes of the CD at home to bring with him for his tours).

Hopefully he'll get at least a digital download version (if not a CD) back in print by the time the vinyl comes out.

Also not a fan of adding something extra just for the vinyl release. If it's Al reading a greeting or something, then fine. But if he's adding a new song (or songs), that would be extremely annoying if a digital download isn't at least also offered.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2018 Tour Thread on: September 18, 2018, 06:26:25 AM
I attended the Mt. Winery show lastnight in the SF Bay area. The crowd was very much into the classics, but rather motionless and with minimal applause for his (Love's) new solo work. I went with a group of casual fans all of which thought the new songs were pretty weak. I thought they were awful. All The Love in Paris being the best out of the three...but still meh.

How many damn songs will he write that includes his last name in the title? Does he think we all believe he's really clever? Does he not realize how lame that is? Again, a group of casual fans I was with (who supplied me with a free ticket) all leaned over and whispered to lame. I can only imagine what Dennis would think.

"All the Love in Paris", "Unleash the Love", and on the way into the venue they were playing random Beach Boy and Mike Love songs, one of which seemed to have the title "Make Love Not War"....I wouldn't know as I wouldn't buy the album.

BTW, it seems very shady to plug your solo album and play three tracks at a show billed as the Beach Boys. Totten's and Cowsil's playing/singing were the highlights lastnight....

Okay, i'll accept that; and Brian and Al and Blondie shouldn't be doing Beach Boys songs in a concert advertised as a Brian Wilson show.
Bring on Melt Away, There's So Many, Meet Me in My Dreams Tonight, Let's Go to Heaven in My Car, Orange Crate Art, San Francisco, Palm Tree and Moon, Where Has Love Been, Lay Down Burden, ...well, you get the idea.

I don't understand why people occasionally draw this comparison. Mike's tour and Brian's tour are not the same logistically or in terms of billing/licensing set up.

Brian doesn't license the use of the name "Brian Wilson", whereas BRI lets Mike use the "Beach Boys" name for a specified fee. Mike is using a name he doesn't solely own to plug his solo stuff, whereas Brian is using his own name.

So long as Mike tours under a BAND name, one he is only LICENSING, and Brian tours under his OWN name, the two tours will not be entirely comparable.

Now, obviously, any band can perform any songs they want on stage. Both Mike and Brian can perform nothing but REO Speedwagon and Eminem songs if they want.

But let's not pretend that Mike paying to license use of the "Beach Boys" name while plugging his NEW solo material is the "same" as Brian performing Beach Boys songs at his shows. Not only does Mike plug his solo material under a licensed "Beach Boys" banner, but also blurs the line (in my opinion) between what is "solo" and what is "Beach Boys" material.

Not to mention, Brian mostly only performs songs he wrote or co-wrote (there are occasional exceptions), while Mike performs a slew of songs he had no hand in writing.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: September 15, 2018, 08:10:52 AM
Added a new 10/27 Pet Sounds show in ME to the top post schedule.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 14, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
Yes - if you haven't yet ordered, by all means DO so!  This book is nice and thick (hence the higher foreign postage rate), but jam-packed with lengthy quotes & reminisces from Dennis collaborators, band members (both Beach Boys and "Bamboo" - the name he apparently gave his own band for the ill-fated POB tour), record company suits, radio station PDs, friends, ex-wives, POB observers...of notable interest are the many, many thoughts and memories of the late Trisha Campo, who was an observer, and sometimes participant, at most of the POB recording sessions. Also, reproductions of lots of internal CBS memos, promo labels, studio track sheets, AFM sessionongraphy...and more! OH, and Alan Boyd's detailed description of the fabled POB tour rehearsal tapes (to me, this alone is worth the price of admission!). A fascinating, must read, folks!  And a great cover, too! Smiley

Seriously, they need to put out another Dennis set. The POB deluxe reissue was beyond magnificent, so much more than we ever hoped for. And then it has been mostly radio silence for a decade since (apart from a hand full of great Dennis tracks appearing on BB comps).
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rock N Roll to the Rescue on: September 14, 2018, 09:59:36 AM
The song resulted in another a long line of slightly weird, awkward TV appearances where Brian and the band mimed the song:

And then they did it live at Farm Aid, with Al singing Brian's lines:
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is H.E.L.P.? on: September 10, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
For what it's worth, when the band did "Take A Load Off Your Feet" at that small number of long shows with extended setlists in late 1993 promoting the GV boxed set (which ironically did *not* include "Feet"), Al subbed in the line "He got some Birkenstock sandals", at least on the several recordings I've heard.
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Early Vocal Arrangements Query on: September 10, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
I know this is stating the obvious, but considering we're still vociferously debating who's singing the single LEAD on a few songs, trying to parse out who's singing what in a 3/4/5-part vocal stack is rife with uncertainty.

An attempt to simply *count* the number of voices in a stack might leave less room for debate I suppose.

All interesting stuff.
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Recent thoughts on Jack Rieley by the Beach Boys? on: September 10, 2018, 09:32:06 AM
I wonder if a version of the song with Brian singing still exists? Even if he only sang one or two lines before bailing, it would be interesting to hear.

It was a bit of an urban legend in past years on the internet that Brian had come out on stage at a show circa 1971 and performed "A Day in the Life of a Tree." The last I can remember, the most accurate version of what actually happened was that at one show, usually cited as Long Beach in December 1971, Jack Rieley came out and sang the song on stage, with reportedly Brian accompanying on organ.

I *still* have the Rusten/Stebbins "In Concert" book in a box out of reach, so that book probably provides the most definitive version of what's known.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2018 Tour Thread on: September 10, 2018, 09:26:09 AM
Updated setlists in the top post for the rest of the August dates.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1988 Bruce Interview on: August 30, 2018, 02:28:36 PM
I want heyjude to interview Bruce! Evil

Well, I know not to call him "BJ", that's for sure......
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