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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jim Peterik's version of \ on: October 15, 2021, 09:14:23 AM
There's something indeed deceivingly complex and slightly weird about the melody and harmony structure of "That's Why God Made the Radio." I think that's part of why, while the 50th anniversary tour and band were impeccable, truly arguably the best sounding since the mid-70s, they often sounded nearly off-the-rails when they performed "That's Why God Made the Radio" back in 2012.

It has like multiple parts singing in unison, and then at certain points each of those groups doing harmony. Like much of the TWGMTR album, it has this weird thing going on where there is not a single, distinct lead vocal track. It's a lot of doubling and overlapping, and a lot of processing to mush multiple voices together into sort-of one voice. I swear at points it's like somehow hearing 1 1/2 voices.

They polished it up quite nicely for the studio track, but in concert, it always sounded weirdly messy compared to just about everything else on those shows.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: October 15, 2021, 07:17:11 AM
There is really logistically almost no way to make a 2012/C50-sized "World Tour" happen for 2022 given their individual solo dates already booked through the first half or more of 2022.

The earliest they could start a full-on *tour* would be late Summer/early Fall.

My guess is that the 60th will be about some sort of documentary, some sort of new career-spanning best-of compilation (I already have heard a few things about it), and, if live shows are in the offing, I think we're looking at one show or a short string of shows. It might be something that could be called a small "tour", but I don't envision a 73-date, 5-month tour like 2012 (and even that tour in 2012 was short for such a big deal project).

I'd say even a "new" studio album seems more likely and doable than a large reunion tour, given their schedules.

And, hopefully, we'll also get the next archival set in 2022 as well.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Al Jardine announces Storytellers Concerts on: October 15, 2021, 07:10:49 AM
This is a new concept (for me at least), sounds very interesting:
https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/8053804/al-jardine-beach-boys-postcard-concert

Look like that article is from 2017.

We've had a thread going for Al's "Storyteller" gigs for a few years now, found here:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25616.0.html
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: October 14, 2021, 09:40:02 AM
I agree, costume and set design were award-worthy as well.

"Love & Mercy" was a small miracle; a truly great film above all else. I don't have really any major gripe about the film. I think plenty of elements were awards-worthy, and certainly nomination-worthy. It's not a knock on Brian, but "One Kind of Love" was pretty far down on the list of things that seemed award-worthy, to me anyway.

If Brian wanted an Oscar nom for a song, I think a good model would be to shop something like "Sail Away" (from NPP) to like a Disney animated movie or something.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Jim Peterik's version of \ on: October 14, 2021, 08:11:30 AM
Now we know what the song would have sounded like if Bruce had produced and performed it (not so much the singing, but the arrangement and production).

What I'd really like to hear is the demo that Peterik, Thomas, and Brian (etc.) recorded for the song back in 1998, and/or the other demos they recorded for the song in the intervening years.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: October 14, 2021, 08:10:15 AM
Regarding "One Kind of Love", I have to imagine the filmmakers knew what they were doing and knew what was or wasn't eligible for various awards.

I gotta be honest; I think the song is fine, and seeing Brian get award noms is cool, but I can't really say that "One Kind of Love" is like A-game material. I was never bummed the song didn't get more noms.

I was far more disappointed by things like Atticus Ross's score not being eligible for Best Score; his work on the score definitely deserved some noms. It's too bad they didn't have something like "Best Adapted Score." And I would also say, at the very least, that Paul Dano deserved a nom (maybe not the win, but at least a nom) for his work on the film.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson: Long Promised Road (2019 Brent Wilson Documentary) on: October 13, 2021, 07:34:03 AM
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love just announced a \ on: October 08, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
I recall many years ago, 1994 or 95 as I recall, when the Beach Boys did a similar sort of cruise thing, where they cruise around and then dock somewhere around the Bahamas and play a gig, there was grumbling among some contingent of fans because it seemed like part of the purpose was to gather like *superfans* of the band on the cruise, but then when they did the live gig (which circulates on video), it was like a boring, standard 1995 setlist.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love just announced a \ on: October 08, 2021, 12:09:06 PM

For some reason, I find it slightly eerie that Bruce's performance in this promo seems so similar to his on-camera narration for "An American Band."

Admittedly, this video makes the whole thing a bit extra cheesy and carny status than it seems when you just think about it versus hear them actively pitch it.

"Hand-picked?" Really? They have not even the top-tier Beatles *tribute* band on the bill.

Also, while we don't know exactly what the pandemic status will be in March of next year, I think it's insane for Mike, who will at that point be *81 years old*, and Bruce, who will be nearly 80, to do in-person meet-and-greets with fans while they're all trapped together on an ocean liner, even assuming everybody on the boat is fully vaccinated (to say nothing of whether booster shots will be more of a hanging question by March). I suppose it's possible they'll do distanced meet-and-greets, sign autographs behind plexiglass, etc.

Maybe this HBO documentary called "The Last Cruise", focusing on the infamous Diamond Princess cruise from last year, will be offered as viewing material on Mike's cruise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NspHkPKzrww
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love just announced a \ on: October 08, 2021, 09:00:34 AM
In Mike's 1992 Goldmine interview, he seems to simply address suggesting the title. He even calls the cover art "awful."


Q: Capitol's treatment of the Beach Boys' catalog on CD has been fabulous. What was your impression of the slew of two-fer Beach Boys CDs?

A: I don't even know. I don't know.

Q: Have you seen them?

A: No. I don't know. You find that amusing?

Q: Yeah, it's hard to believe that being a Beach Boy you haven't seen something like that.

A: It is hard to believe. I find it hard to believe too.

Q: Why is that?

A: Why is that? Because I'm a Pisces, is that a good answer [uproarious laughter]? That's as good as I can come up with. There is nothing that we can do to stop them from merchandising our records the way they want to merchandise them so we're at their mercy. So if they've done something that in the opinion of the caring public is well done, then I'm glad to hear it. But having no recourse or say-so ... For instance, they were going to do a Best Of The Beach Boys Volume Three in 19 - , whatever the hell it was, and I came in there and went, "Wait a second, call it Endless Summer." And instead of being Volume Three which sound nauseating to me, like ...

Q: The third rung of hits.

A: Exactly. Endless Summer has a whole other vibe to it and sold several million copies just with the switch of the title. But then I'm a title guy anyway.

Q: The artwork was so strange on that album. I could never tell who was who.

A: Yeah, I know, it was awful ...


Here's a question. What *was* Capitol actually going to call this collection? "Greatest Hits Vol. 3" had already come out, and clearly this set was kind of a "starting over at square one" sort of hits track listing rather than a continuation of the old "Greatest Hits" albums going back to 1966.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike Love just announced a \ on: October 08, 2021, 08:26:42 AM
It's interesting.  Some number of months ago, when it was announced that a controlling interest in BRI had been sold to one of Irving Azoff's companies, we saw a fair number of remarks along the lines of, "Thank God that the Beach Boys' brand finally has adult supervision.  This is the end of the line for the overall cheesiness.  Finally, we can expect these guys to be managed in a way worthy of their legacy and historical significance."

As some folksy tv personalities (Dr Phil?) like to say, "How's that workin' out for y'all?"   LOL

Iconic nor Azoff (nor BRI's President Jerry Schilling) run Mike's tour. It's a completely autonomous entity, which licenses the name from what is now Iconic/BRI.

I don't recall anybody thinking or saying that, upon Iconic's purchase, anything would change in any significant way as far as Mike's touring. Indeed, I think a pretty fair assumption/guess would be that, considering touring is essentially clearly Mike's main deal in life at this point, both personally and professionally, Mike would likely never sign off on such a sale if it meant any significant change to the status quo as far as his touring.

The one area where I'd put a small asterisk is concerning Mike's political gigs (and gigs that are easily politicized). I do believe Iconic will ensure that there will be no more s**t-shows like Mike's trophy hunting gig or the Trump fundraiser gigs, etc. Indeed, after the most recent PR biff with "The Beach Boys" doing a Trump gig, it's not a coincidence that the next Trump-related gig Mike did was under *his own name*.

But outside of extreme situations like that, I think Mike's tour was always going to largely continue as it has. And this cruise gig isn't really insanely more heinous or tacky than what Mike normally does. It's the same deal as usual, just on a boat. He's been doing multi-band bills with c-lister bands for ages, and he's been playing small and sometimes tacky venues for ages.

Make no mistake, I'd love for Iconic or anybody to convince these guys to do something more unified and classy. But I never thought or assumed, especially on the *touring* front, Iconic's purchase would change things. Again, I don't think Mike would sign off on any deal that significantly altered how he tours.

The area where Iconic can and already has helped is with the archives and other projects that largely don't require active and/or reunited participation of the band members.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2021/2022 Tour Thread on: October 06, 2021, 07:20:40 AM
Last night's setlist is up on setlist.fm. Nothing major as far as new additions; looks like they did a bit of "Surfin'."

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2021/the-paramount-huntington-ny-5b8ddf24.html
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The 2020 mix of \ on: October 05, 2021, 04:02:28 PM
My issue with "When Girls Get Together" was always more the music than the lyrics. It isn't A-game lyrics either.

I think stripping the thing back allows more appreciation of the arrangement and performance on the backing track. I feel those elements kind of trump the actual composition. I dunno how to describe the issue. I guess the melody is a bit sing-song-ish?

I really enjoy its iterations on the "Feel Flows" set.

I guess the biggest criticism might be, who thought this song and recording was like a smokin' hot track to include on a 1980 album? Whether one likes the song or not, I can't fathom any successful, working producer in 1979/80 going along with putting that song on a 1980 album release. That's all Bruce.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Thread for various insignificant questions that don't deserve their own thread! on: October 05, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Someone with more intimate knowledge of the Reprise contract can of course weigh in. I find it hard to believe there was no right to reject. What if they submitted a master tape with an hour of silence, or an hour long remake of "Polly Wolly Doodle?"

Didn't Reprise reject the '77 Christmas album?

I realize sometimes "rejection" might come in the form of something less formal.

Even if there wasn't a specific mechanism in the contract to outright reject an album, I'm sure record labels back then had a variety of tools and muscle to strongly suggest to artists that they need to go back to the drawing board.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 60th Anniversary Tour on: October 05, 2021, 07:50:12 AM
Both Brian and Mike have their own shows booked through much of 2022, so there's certainly no way something on the magnitude of 2012's C50 could happen next year, at least not in the Spring/Summer.

Considering the timing, and the stuff they already have booked, and the way 2012 went down, I'd also guess a larger tour is unlikely.

I think they'd treat the 60th as more of a semi-hands-off multi-media project than an album/tour "reunion" cycle. Maybe that documentary Iconic has talked about, and a one-shot show (or short string of shows culled for a single airing/release). And *possibly* a new album? Not sure if they have the motivation and time to do another new album, especially if it's *not* leading up to a full tour.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Brian music this Friday ? on: October 01, 2021, 12:11:55 PM
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 30, 2021, 10:36:22 AM
From what I've heard, many but not all touring musicians have ended up signing NDAs.

It seems like this Renner guy wasn't in the band that long, and may have been hired in early 1991 knowing he was kind of a temp. If that was the case, maybe back then they weren't having every temp player sign an NDA like immediately.

Hard to say; this was the first time since the Charles Lloyd days that they had a sax player.

They had the horn sections in the latter half of the 70s, and then Charles Lloyd on sax, etc. through 1978. Then, as far as I can tell, they never had a regular sax or other horn/woodwind player touring for the entirety of the 1980s.

It seems they decided in 1991 to add a sax player. I don't know if they intended Renner to be *the* guy, or he if they knew it was a temporary thing.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brianís involvement in solo albums on: September 29, 2021, 11:25:57 AM
McCartney's career has had a *very* different trajectory than Brian's, so it's very difficult to compare. McCartney was as productive, and eventually more productive, than Brian or the BBs were, and McCartney didn't have band members to pick up the slack the way Brian did.

A "when are you going to give us another Pet Sounds?" question is not the most subtle, sympathetic question. But I'd argue it would be meant as a motivational, positive comment. Moreover, Brian would have had a hard time countering Paul with a similar question about Paul's career as of 1976, as McCartney was red hot in 1976 with a huge Wings tour and top-selling albums and singles. He was arguably the biggest rock star in the world at the moment he visited that Brian birthday party in June 1976.

McCartney put out much, much more product over the years and thus there was never any jarring, extreme left turn album that he released as a main-line "pop/rock" album (meaning, I'm discounting his weird side projects like the classical stuff or "Liverpool Sound Collage" or the "Fireman" stuff). McCartney did veer into some of the trappings of different eras. But, because he remained commercially successful into the early-mid 80s (and intermittently thereafter), there was no perception when, say, he did "Band on the Run" in 1973 or "Tug of War" in 1982 that his career had just completely fizzled and he needed to do a "Sgt. Pepper 2."

Every "legacy" artist has some amount of spectators and "fans" chasing after them asking for them to make stuff as "good" as their pinnacle/heyday.

It is ironic that part of the "when is Brian going to do another Pet Sounds?" stuff came from people who knew nothing of the quality post-Pet Sounds work that the band *and* Brian had done.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 29, 2021, 08:19:16 AM
Went through one of the old touring band lineup threads, and the sax player for the first half or so of 1991, including in the pic above, appears to be John Renner.

It appears he passed away a few years ago, 2017, according to online obituaries.

He *may* have written whatever this is, which may or not be some sort of memoir touring with the Beach Boys (or a fictionalized account, or a stream of consciousness thing); I honestly can't make heads of tails of what it is or the provenance of it based on the samples:

https://www.amazon.com/Take-Mike-Love-Please-Parker-ebook/dp/B01G92LZK6

Here's a bit from it from a blog, where buried in there you can sort of extract a bit of content regarding his touring with the Beach Boys:

https://johnrenner.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/take-mike-love-please/
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 29, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
Thanks for all the responses. If it wasn't Richie Cannata, then does anyone know who would it have been?

As for some of the songs some have mentioned that aren't on the list, I wish I had a better memory to say for sure if the Setlist post is accurate. It does seem odd that "Do It Again" and "Darlin'" aren't on there.

And just to confirm my assumption, Brian would not have been there, correct? I always assumed not, but then I was thinking it would have been their 30th anniversary, so maybe there's a chance he was! (Probably not)

As far as I know, Brian didn't appear on stage performing with the band after 1990 until 1995. No appearances on stage performing with them in 1991/92/93/94 as far as I know.

As for the setlist, those post-game shows were never on the longer side; they probably often had to shorten the setlist, especially if the games ran long.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 28, 2021, 03:29:42 PM
This photo is from July 28, 1991, and they have a sax player, but it's not Richie Cannata:

22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys lineup in Cleveland - June 1, 1991 on: September 28, 2021, 03:28:20 PM
Richie Cannata was part of the band for this 1992 publicity photo (which was probably taken in late 1991 or early 1992):

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brianís involvement in solo albums on: September 27, 2021, 09:46:42 AM
I think there are also a few different types of "completion." Needing help to complete compositions is different from needing help to fully realize and release a project.

Pretty much all of the Beach Boys, individually and collectively, have, since some time in the 80s at the very least, usually needed some outside influence/agent/manager/promoter/fixer to help push projects to completion *and release.*

Joe Thomas did this for a number of Brian projects, and did so for the 50th reunion tour and ancillary projects. Thomas also did so on the writing side as well. Brian has not often had that type of collaborator; there's a reason Joe Thomas got s**t out the door numerous times while Andy Paley knocked out dozens of songs with Brian only for them to be shelved (and then eventually trickle out over the years).

Brian and all of the other members collectively and individually have needed the organizational/A&R/business push to get things released. The closest they've come in the last several decades to pushing a project along mostly on their own would be things like Al Jardine putting out some early solo stuff via CDBaby and in some cases direct sales.

Back to the creative side of things, I think the issue isn't even so much *how much* help Brian needs, it's more how that help comes, and how much it colors the work. To use my go-to example, "Message Man" sounds much like "pure Brian" than "Midnight's Another Day."

I think Brian, certainly in the last decade or two, could have sat down at a piano and pounded out a bunch of solo takes of true "solo" compositions. But I don't think he would feel like those are "records", and it would be something fans might love, but not so much everybody else. We as fans (sometimes) enjoy the quirks of a "Male Ego" or "Message Man" or whatever. To get to fully-realized, fleshed-out songs that turn into recordings that turn into a *released album*, he has clearly sought out (and thus, I think, it's fair to say, has *needed*) some help.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 27, 2021, 09:08:28 AM
How come that they sing "Riot in Cell Block #9" and afterwards Mike is citing the lyrics to "Student Demonstration Time"?

They had been doing "Riot" for a year or two, and I think they recorded "Student Demonstration Time" a few months after this May gig. My guess would be Mike is reciting his brand new, as-yet-unrecorded, re-written lyrics?


According to Wikipedia the album was released in August, the recording of the song done between November '70 and early '71. I'd think that by this time (May '71) they would do "Student Demonstratin Time". But maybe they only started doing it after the album was released?  Huh

I don't know what the definitive sessionography is on that one. In scouring for info, I see a notation for a mixing session for "Student..." in November '70, but then additional (presumably *recording*) sessions for it in July '71 in the midst of a flurry of "Surf's Up" album sessions.

I recall Blondie Chaplin saying his first Beach Boys session was playing bass on "Student...."; was Blondie really recording with the band as early as November 1970? Or would he have been at those mid-1971-ish sessions?
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: September 23, 2021, 12:38:53 PM
How come that they sing "Riot in Cell Block #9" and afterwards Mike is citing the lyrics to "Student Demonstration Time"?

They had been doing "Riot" for a year or two, and I think they recorded "Student Demonstration Time" a few months after this May gig. My guess would be Mike is reciting his brand new, as-yet-unrecorded, re-written lyrics?
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