I wonder why no one mentioned Ron Tutt yet. Fantastic drummer !

I was at the Beach Boys Winterland show in San Francisco on November 18, 1973. Three days later, I attended the concert at the Memorial Auditorium in Sacramento (where the '64 concert album was recorded). Dennis was standing up front for most of the show, and may have played keys on a song or two. I was in the middle on the floor and don't recall ant altercations with Blondie. The Winterland show was my first Beach Boys show ever, and I remember being in awe staring at the stage and just enjoying the whole thing immensely. I remember taking a poster off one of the telephone poles after the Sacramento gig and framing it. It's this one:

http://sonic.net/~dsktracy/bbstuff/Posters,%20non-movie/pages/Tour%20poster,%201973.html

Before going to these concerts with a friend of mine, all I had in my BB's record collection were the Beach Boys Greatest Hits Vol. I, the Carl & The Passions/Pet Sounds 2 album set, and the I Get Around and Good Vibrations singles. After that I picked up the '73 Concert album and there was no stopping me after that. I had to have every album and single the Beach Boys ever put out up to that point. After that, I went to pretty much every Beach Boys show in the Bay area in the 70's, 80's, and early 90's.
  

Looks like they stopped fighting the surfer-image at that point, at least when you look at the poster.
Thanks for sharing it with us !

So.....anybody seen it ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRyp5Xc6G5Q&feature=related


PRODUCED by TERRY MELCHER

Recording members of THE HOT DOGGERS are as follows.

TERRY MELCHER (backing vocals / production)
BRUCE JOHNSTON (lead & backing vocals / keyboard)
Billy Strange (guitar)
Glen Campbell (guitar)
Carol Kaye (fender bass)
Leon Russell (piano)
Steve Douglas (sax)
Hal Blaine (drums)

My two cents:

Dennis was one hell of a Rock'n'Roll-drummer. Perfect feeling and rhythm for that kind of music and the rhythm is the foundation for everything.
Certainly miles away from technical perfection, but no one argues that D.J. Fontana was great for Elvis' 50s stuff while he never ever comes close to Ronnie Tutt (one of the very best drummers I ever heard) to this day. Just listen to "Read teddy". Tutt also rocked, but in a different way, using more than just the basics.


And I'd like to say "hooray !" for two other great and legendary drummers: Hal Blaine and Buddy Harman

that is indeed the SMiLE font. and it is indeed EXCiTiNG!!!

Here the direct comparison

Red Hot Chilli Peppers "Tear"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzX5n9R0eIc


Jackie Deshannon "Boat to sail"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77LfceN7ltc

link won't work for me.....



I wouldn't be surprised if Al rejoined them, at least for this anniversary-year

Well, here's a good sign. Not sure if this has anything to do with the future Smile stuff though...

Hollywood, California – February 22, 2011 – To support Record Store Day on April 16, Capitol/EMI will release limited edition vinyl titles for The Beach Boys to be sold exclusively by participating independent music retailers across the U.S.

 
The Beach Boys’ “Good Vibrations”/”Heroes and Villains” will be released as a limited edition double 78RPM vinyl single set with the songs’ original single release mixes on one disc and alternate versions of both songs on the other disc.

 
 www.recordstoreday.com

 

The Beach Boys: Good Vibrations/Heroes and Villains [ltd. edition 78RPM single set]

Disc 1                                                    Disc 2

Side A    Good Vibrations                   Side A    Good Vibrations (Early Take)

Side B    Heroes and Villains            Side B    Heroes and Villains (Alternate Take)

The cover indeed has that vintage Smile-comic-feeling.....

I agree with Cam that Brian doesn't really know what a 67 Smile would have been like, so for him to try and assemble or finish a "Beach Boys Smile" would just raise more questions than it answers.  However Carl's list represents what Carl remembered about Brian's intentions five years after the recording sessions, as well as his attempt to use the material he and Desper uncovered in their tape search while not repeating everything that had been released.  That gives it some authenticity.

Do we know Carl's list? I don't remember seeing it

Child Is Father To The Man
Surf's Up
You Are My Sunshine/The Old Master Painter
Barnyard
Cabin Essence (incorporating Who Ran The Iron Horse)
I Love To Say Da Da (incorporating Cool, Cool Water)
Vega-Tables
Wind Chimes
Wonderful
'the Fire suite'
Heroes And Villains (12-minute version)

From AGD's Bellagio

http://www.btinternet.com/~bellagio/unreleased.html

Thanks !

I agree with Cam that Brian doesn't really know what a 67 Smile would have been like, so for him to try and assemble or finish a "Beach Boys Smile" would just raise more questions than it answers.  However Carl's list represents what Carl remembered about Brian's intentions five years after the recording sessions, as well as his attempt to use the material he and Desper uncovered in their tape search while not repeating everything that had been released.  That gives it some authenticity.

Do we know Carl's list? I don't remember seeing it

This guy I know confirmed to me a few weeks back that Capitol were indeed releasing "the Smile fragments". "This guy" really should be on the money, he has been practically/literally begging Capitol to do so since the early eighties!

Oh gee, if "this guy" said it's so, then there's absolutely no sense anyone else posting a thing about this  until we hear from "him" again. 
Is "this guy" in love with you?

Everyone's in love with you

I knew it!!  "this guy" is Mike Love!!!

He aint no Beach Boy. But he can certainly can play a tune

Could this guy also kick the butts of certain people (the Beach Boys) to let beachboyscentral go finally online ?

Yes, thank you !

I thought this might be interesting to some people. It's Elvis' '67 song "Speedway" the titel of his movie with Nany Sinatra. As mentioned in this thread, Brian's "City blues" uses horn riffs that sound very reminiscent of "Speedway". Take a listen and let me know what you think:

http://rutube.ru/tracks/31618.html?v=ed07163298b01f972258223f6604d137

Dennis looked different in nearly every picture in 1983. Some pictures in early 83 he might look worse than in June of 83.  Then worse in July.  My guess he was having health (liver) issues.  Bloating up and then thinning down.  It's those last three months or so, that I've not seen pictures of and that's the time ,I'm assuming, James Taylor saw him and described him as looking green and unrecognizable.
 

I never knew James Taylor did meet Dennis again after TLB. In fact I've never heard anyone talk about the other, which surprised me, because I thought they would hit it off as musicians and Taylor liked the Beach Boys (I remember an interview where he said he loved "Surfin' safari"). Do you got more infos? I would really like to know more about that. I was going to start another thread for that topic, but maybe another time

Only thing we know about those 1975 Dennis/Stevie sessions is that Grateful Are We For Little Children was "borrowed" by Brian as Saturday Morning In The City (source: AGD).

I thought "Saturday mornin'..." was begun during the Smile-sessions ?

Kinda - there's a 1967 "H&V" session where Brian's noodling at the piano between takes and he plays something which is a good part of the main "SMITC" verse riff.

And what do we know about "Grateful are we for little children" ? Never heard it and also the "Saturday..."-connection is new to me

Only thing we know about those 1975 Dennis/Stevie sessions is that Grateful Are We For Little Children was "borrowed" by Brian as Saturday Morning In The City (source: AGD).

I thought "Saturday mornin'..." was begun during the Smile-sessions ?

What did Brian sing at the table when the waitress brought him his egg benedict?

"I'm pickin' up good vibrations, she's giving me eggs-citations!"

O....M....G...

But to go back to the orginal question...
David Lee Roths version features Carl on backing vocals... which in my world counts as a permission good as any!
//RD

And Brian is a fan of Roth's version and in concert even let Foskett sing a "I dig the girls....whao" in DLR's style.

I wonder how much pain it is for Brian (and Mike) not to own the songs. Don't know how many of you know about John Fogerty's case, but he didn't own his songs for what.... 30 years...? And he was very hurt, had mental problems (I guess depression) and didn't play them live for a long time.

I forget the ins and outs of the story, but as CCR's acting manager didn't Fogerty shoot himself in the foot on many of the groups financial aspects?

Oh yes he did. He was in his early twenties when he signed to Fantasy and signed an adhesion contract. He only was allowed to leave Fantasy when he gave up the rights to his songs (that's how I remember it)

[4-09]

May well be the worst joke, it being neither funny nor in any way comprehensible to me.

I thought maybe it was just me not getting it. I feel better now. 
Maybe it's a stupid pet trick

Well, it's not that hard. If you understand roman numerals and combine it with a quick look to wikipedia:
DSM-IV Codes
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So, it is: DSM - 4-09

I wonder how much pain it is for Brian (and Mike) not to own the songs. Don't know how many of you know about John Fogerty's case, but he didn't own his songs for what.... 30 years...? And he was very hurt, had mental problems (I guess depression) and didn't play them live for a long time.

I forget if Fogerty is BMI or ASCAP but I remember him saying that he was thankful he was a member so he'd still collect payments when his songs were played, as a songwriter member of the organization, no matter what was happening in the court battles over his contracts and publishing.

Brian is BMI, I believe - no matter what happens with Sea Of Tunes or lawsuits or whatever, he gets paid whenever one of his songs is played and logged in. ASCAP and BMI collect all the fees and divide them up among their members.

But only as a songwriter, right? And money-wise there's a lot more to make if you own the song (and we're talking about extremely big songs) afaik. Anyway, Brian makes a good livin' but still, they're his (and Mike's) songs

Fogerty is BMI, too
http://www.bmi.com/news/entry/547481

Great Al....... 

But to go back to the orginal question...
David Lee Roths version features Carl on backing vocals... which in my world counts as a permission good as any!
//RD

And Brian is a fan of Roth's version and in concert even let Foskett sing a "I dig the girls....whao" in DLR's style.

I wonder how much pain it is for Brian (and Mike) not to own the songs. Don't know how many of you know about John Fogerty's case, but he didn't own his songs for what.... 30 years...? And he was very hurt, had mental problems (I guess depression) and didn't play them live for a long time.

Who actually receives royalties now on the Sea Of Tunes catalogue that Murry signed away ? Haven't the rights to those songs reverted to Mike and Brian as a result of one of Mike's many lawsuits ?

I could've sworn I read that they were able to get back the rights to those songs somewhere. Maybe it was different songs?

I remember something about Brian either not actually signing it or not being "of sound mind" when he signed it.

Brian got a one-time lump sum of several million dollars, but he didn't get the publishing back.

It's unbelievable how much money Brian lost and continues to lose thanks to Murry selling the catalogue.

Not just Brian - Mike lost some serious money too.

Of course. Didn't mean to forget him.

Thanks for the info guys !