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1  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 20, 2017, 10:40:11 AM
NPR lets you listen to a select list of songs, including the live version of "I forgot to remember to forget"



First Listen: Elvis Presley, 'A Boy From Tupelo: The Complete 1953-1955 Recordings'

http://www.npr.org/2017/07/20/537914026/first-listen-elvis-presley-a-boy-from-tupelo-the-complete-1953-1955-recordings
2  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 19, 2017, 09:01:39 AM
The german edition of Rolling Stone will have a special vinyl single of "Good rockin' tonight" b/w "Blue moon":




http://elv75.blogspot.de/2017/06/june-29-rolling-stone-collector.html





And here's an interview with Ronnie Milsap by our own Jeremy Roberts:

In a wide-ranging, exclusive interview, Milsap, the dictionary definition of a crossover phenomenon, recalls meeting boyhood idol Elvis Presley and ultimately getting to play on the King of Rock and Rollís heralded 1969 comeback sessions at American Sound Studios in Memphis.

https://medium.com/@jeremylr/more-thunder-on-the-piano-ronnie-milsap-relives-memphis-days-with-elvis-presley-17803848f24b
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Why has \ on: July 16, 2017, 01:31:02 AM


Side note: the Brian-sung demo rules.



This!
Whatever happened between demo and released record... it made the song cringe worthy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwZFOG1J7Xk
4  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 15, 2017, 02:59:40 AM
Well, it's always a question of what you want to own. I am very happy with Elvis' original catalog. So basically outtakes etc. are not that high on my list as they don't represent what Elvis wanted to be released. But on the other hand there's a lot of interesting material. I love to see how a song evolved into the master take for example.
And then there are of course those releases that don't really count as outtakes only but that come with something else to catch the ears. So, regarding the Sun Records material I think if you don't own the "Elvis at Sun" CD or "A boy frm Tupelo" , you should definitely consider getting one of them. Kevan Budd's remastering on "Elvis at Sun" is incredible.* Even my stupid ears can hear the difference instantly. It's like day and night - it is that good


Here's more about Budd's remastering on Elvis At Sun








* I'm not totally sure if "A boy from Tupelo" uses the Budd remasters or if they did new ones. What is clear though, is that the Kevan Budd's remasters set the standard, so they just can't go back to the pre-Elvis at Sun releases.
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 14, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
It's a bit different with someone like George jones, whose catalog was a mess up till recently. The bear family boxes have a lot of material I never heard and most of it is quite good. With Elvis Ernst Jorgensen and then follow that dream did such an expert job already that the recent packages are just window dressing


I certainly agree.
With "A boy from Tupelo" the focus was from the beginning on the book. Ernst put years of work into that and when it was originally released it had twice as much pages as this new release I believe. So in that sense the idea behind the product has changed. The never before released "I forgot to remember to forget" of course is a very welcomed addition. But yeah, if you go by the music, there's probably not a lot that you don't already own.

6  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: COUNTRY MUSIC on: July 14, 2017, 09:42:09 AM
Loretta Lynn: ĎWillie Ainít Dead Yet and Neither Am Ií
Country legend postpones album until next year, cancels tour dates as she recovers from May stroke

http://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/loretta-lynn-postpones-release-of-new-album-w491954
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 14, 2017, 08:40:52 AM
Hear Elvis Presley's Loose 'When It Rains It Pours' Outtakes
Producer Sam Phillips instructs guitarist Scotty Moore, "Don't make it too damn complicated" on track from upcoming box set 'A Boy From Tupelo'


http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/hear-elvis-presleys-loose-when-it-rains-it-pours-outtakes-w491551


8  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Dean Martin - 100th birthday on: July 13, 2017, 12:00:32 PM
June 7th marked the 100th birthday of Dino Crocetti, a.k.a. Dean Martin. One of the greatest entertainers of all time. There was no big publicity and I also only realized it a couple of days ago.

So, here's to Dino!









With daughter Gina and son-in-law Carl Wilson




Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis Spoof 1950's Game Shows

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4-fuuHLCjM


1966-67 Television Season 50 Anniversary: The Dean Martin Show (Dean's 100th!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw8Hnn9bwQo


The Dean Martin Celebrity Roast - Dean Martin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PV1xl6mq98


Dean Martin (Live) 1964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcgHyYTVaYQ




Everybody Loves Somebody Sometimes (Dean Martin Show)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXFoOYxMnvg
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: Beach Boys magazine scans R.I.P. on: July 11, 2017, 10:49:41 AM
Just stumbled upon this:





https://1960smusicmagazines.com/2017/05/29/we-can-afford-to-gamble-says-beach-boy-bruce-disc-music-echo-august-12-1967/
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 08, 2017, 08:04:10 AM
Until then, good luck topping the charts with your buddies McGrath and Stamos.

This new version of DIA is just an attempt to capitalize on the Fourth of July appearance, it's about putting something out in case people who saw the show wanted to download a track they enjoyed. The choice of this particular song and the guest stars are not for hardcore BB fans, the kind who bought Sunshine Tomorrow, they're for the average people who watched the 4th of July program, and who had never heard any version of Do It Again before.

From this perspecive, this single was worth a try, and DIA is actually a good choice, since it's both catchy and relatively unknown to general audiences.

That much grating Autotune (beyond the myriad other issues) frankly negates everything good that could possibly be had from this atrocity. Especially coming from the singer who publicly dissed his former bandmate and blood relative for the same production choice (done WAY worse here).

Like seriously, I do not know how that ugly, ugly hypocrisy can NOT bug somebody. What kind of blinders does one have to put on for that hypocrisy to be okay, hunky dory?  

By your logic, Mike gargling with Listerine while singing the song should be released as a single just because average people haven't heard that before.

Where is the cutoff? What type of release would finally push the boundaries to be unacceptable for the brand, in your estimation? *Some* potential release, whether actual or made-up, must certainly qualify.  How about Mike re-recording Surf's Up with his own lead vocal, and trying to license his version to a phone sex line commercial on KDOC TV. Would that be okay too? (If it isn't obvious, this is a huge exaggeration, but I'm trying to see where your barometer would fall, because I cannot wrap my head around anyone defending this feces-esque DIA '17 release).

Don't get me wrong, I think this new version is crap, and I wouldn't pay five cents for it, but it's just product put out in the hope some 50-year-old guy in the Midwest will download it because "I liked that Beach Boys tune they did with Sugar Ray on the PBS show yesterday". As for the autotune, sadly that's the sound people expect now. It was applied incompetently, but this single is obviously a small-time operation. Somebody probably told Mike the song had better commercial prospects with autotune.

It's just old Mike trying to release something in the hope it might sell a little bit.


I'm just wondering who benefits? Mike is probably going to make at best $100 from this thing from digital sales - which, firstly, goes to show just how deep in the mud he has dragged this band since the C50. Secondly, it shows just how out of touch he is with music these days...the only people who like hearing autotune are teenagers who listen to the Ke$ha/lil Jon top-40 songs...and they aren't eagerly tuning into PBS on July 4th to hear 76 year old Mike Love lip sync to an already deplorable mix of his remake of DIA. What's funny about this autotune is that Mike mocked Brian for potentially using it for The Right Time single. Yet here and on his Christmas single he uses it so haphazardly that even the most ardent Mike apologists couldn't find anything nice to say about it.

So again, who benefits? This is Mike taking advantage of his Beach Boys touring license to promote a poorly done solo remake that has more comedy appeal than it does artistic. It's not worth it to the fans, it's not worth it to the legacy, it's not even worth it to Mike himself as it probably cost more to make this thing than he's getting back from it.



Regarding the autotune: I've said it before, I don't think Mike has a big problem with autotune. He only began talking about it after people started criticizing it on this messageboard (and probably others but I'm no member on any others, so I don't know). It seems clear to me that he just used it because he'd read it on BBs messageboard.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: July 06, 2017, 07:12:54 AM
Will a full Live in Hawaii from August 1967 ever be released? They released a few tracks from their set on this CD but there are more. Something like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1a5E9J32jk


I have a feeling that we might get them and the other'67 shows as copyright releases at the end of the year. I think the same was done with the Michigan recordings that showed up on the new Pet Sounds box and then later as such a download only release
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 05, 2017, 12:33:20 PM
Sony has uploaded a video for the "A boy from Tupelo"-set featuring two takes of "Harbor lights" which was a pre-"That's allright" recording


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttIiBVPzICY
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Monterey Pop Festival on: July 05, 2017, 12:09:53 PM
Having now listened to the Lei'd in Hawaii-album, I will say what I have said with regards to the Hawaii shows for a while: I think such a set would probably have gone on very well for the Beach Boys. Probably wouldn't have hurt if they were a little cleaner and rehearsed and of course have Bruce + Brian with them. But yes, I can see them doing fine. Imagine what it must've been like to have the Beach Boys in all their vocal glory singing this version of "God only knows" on stage.


Now, those shirts.... Cheesy I think the outfits they wore at rehearsals were good enough:




14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: July 04, 2017, 09:06:25 AM
I hold it in my hand. Haven't listened yet but I'm very happy to finally have a Wild Honey deluxe release.

Will this be the best selling Beach Boys archive release (outside of boxsets)?
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Single on: July 04, 2017, 09:04:53 AM
sad.
16  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: July 03, 2017, 08:24:14 AM
Smithsonian Channel to Present the Story of the U.S. in AMERICA IN COLOR; Liev Schreiber Narrates

The expansive series takes viewers on a visually stunning journey through American history - including fascinating footage of illegal drinking in speakeasies during the 1920s, rare home movies of President Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Great Depression, scenes of the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, Elvis Presley's television debut on the Ed Sullivan Show, and the Nixon-Kennedy debate. Using revolutionary methods in footage restoration and colorization, AMERICA IN COLOR accurately restores and colorizes archival black-and-white visuals from the early part of the 20th century up through the '60's. Filmmakers meticulously researched original colors to confirm the correct tones from each era and used source materials from obscure archives and forgotten family vaults.


http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Smithsonian-Channel-to-Present-the-Story-of-the-US-in-AMERICA-IN-COLOR-Liev-Schreiber-Narrates-20170630


I wonder if this will be Elvis' first appearance on Ed Sullivan's show or his actual debut on TV which happened on the Dorsey Bros. Stage Show.




It's a decade many consider to be America's glory years, despite fearful conflicts at home and abroad. Join us as we revisit the 1950s, when families reaped unprecedented riches, teens discovered rock 'n' roll, and a nation found itself in the throes of civil unrest and on the losing end of the Space Race. Through digital colorization, we present the most significant moments of this incredible decade like they've never been shown before, including the Korean War, the Little Rock Nine, Elvis Presley, and more.


https://www.smithsonianchannel.com/tv-schedule?tvScheduleDate=20170723
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: July 02, 2017, 12:59:04 AM
Here's what Gettin Hungry should have sounded like live . . . the Blondie/Ricky Beach Boys could have killed with this arrangement!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpD__Fgpl_4




And this one a little later...  Cheesy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzCwQVPCzSc
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: June 30, 2017, 09:37:12 AM
And the Honolulu rehearsal version of H&V shows that the band of Lei'd In Hawaii *could* play a pretty mean version of that challenging track. For years, the live versions from Hawaii have made me think the Boys just weren't up to playing it in Summer 1967. But the rehearsal we hear on Sunshine Tomorrow was recorded just before the concerts, and they really cook on it, inexplicably...! Maybe they had too much pre-show, er, tea...?

Wait though...there's a live "Heroes and Villains" from the Concert/Live in London twofer and I personally thought it was pretty great.


Same here. Except for the sound quality of course. But all in all I'm very impressed with their two '67 live versions. Though only five guys and four instruments it sounds great. It probably would've sounded even better if they were clean and Bruce was there.




Sunshine tomorrow - ordered, now waiting for monday
19  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: June 27, 2017, 08:22:39 AM
Sounds interesting:


Elvis Presley Manager Biopic ĎThe Colonelí in Development (EXCLUSIVE)

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/elvis-presley-manager-biopic-the-colonel-1202478118/
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Elvis Presley 1977-2017, news, releases etc. on: June 26, 2017, 01:32:18 PM
40 years ago today Elvis gave his last show. Of course that isn't very much a reason for celebration and neither was the show itself.
Here's an article I just saw, that features comments from newspaper reviews from back then.

Elvis Presley provoked cheers, jeers at final concert
http://www.indystar.com/story/entertainment/music/2017/06/26/elvis-presley-drew-cheers-jeers-1977-concert/426828001/
21  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: COUNTRY MUSIC on: June 26, 2017, 01:17:50 PM
it's pretty cool to see how Brian Wilson and Tammy Wynette could
even be in the same room together, and yet record a song together.
it just shows how much Brian's tunes have an effect on all cultures
of music, even 'country'.  it's such a heartbreaking recording where
two different worlds collide, but both have experienced the same
torture.  now only if 'stars and stripes' followed more in this path
it would probably have more love from the fans.



I think the problem was the choice of material and the choice of country artists. Regarding the latter, they obviously did go with what was current after they had Willie so they could rush out the album (maybe not littary but you know what I mean). If only they got to the real big country stars and had put a little thought into the song choices; in fact there were some names floating around and iirc Al recorded the accoustic "California saga" as a demo for Merle Haggard (it really does sound like Hag's style). I posted this more than once but here's a setlist I came up with:



California saga - Merle Haggard
Let the wind blow - Johnny Cash
God only knows - George Jones
Got to know the woman - Jerry Lee Lewis
Forever - Kris Kristofferson
Honkin' down the highway (like the version on "Caroline Now!) - Bobby Bare
The Trader - Waylon Jennings

Add to that Glenn Campbell (why was he not on vol. 1? I think a participation from him should've been a given). Maybe someone could take "Hold on dear brother" or "We got love".

While looking through some old postings I saw that someone mentioned Ronnie Milsap was considered for "Surfer girl" and Steve Earle for "Shut down", while Hank jr.'s and The Oak Ridge Boys' names were also floating around.
But you see it would've taken work, making sure that you actually get a country sound and arrangements. That didn't happen on Vol 1. And songs like "Shut down" probably wouldn't have worked very well. But maybe Jerry Reed could have worked up something.
I can hear most of the performances of my list in my head. You just need someone who actually knows a little about country music (I'm not tooting my own horn) and the Beach Boys to get a interesting list. Conncections were there: Around this time Don Was was producing both the Highwaymen's last (and best) album and Waylon Jennings' "Waymore's blues Part II" and also he was working with Jerry Lee Lewis on the Killer's "Young blood" album.


Yes Yes! 100 percent agree!  Most of the artists used were pretty mediocre at best.  
I got to like some of Toby's stuff years later, but this is terrible seeing him demolish 'be true to your school'.
You mention 'waymore's blues part II', that's one of my favourite Waylon albums, and a return to RCA.
You are right, imagine if they could have had Glen, Johnny (I could see him doin 'til I die'), probably too morbid
for what they were going for, Jerry Lee, Merle, George Jones was always great with a humourous song, he would
have been a better choice for 'long tall texan' or a cat like Buck Owens.
Then you have some other greats like Bobby Bare, Alan Jackson, Marty Stuart, George Strait and i'll go as far
to say even Garth Brooks, who has a great way of interpreting material...
yeah wow, Hank Jr! that could have been phenomenal or a land mine haha
I even thought about Charlie Rich, but he had just passed on, such a shame losing that guy.

The idea was certainly there, but it just didn't quite hit the mark... I still give it a blast now and then  Undecided
 



I got to correct myself. It wasn't Don Was working on the Killer's Young Blood album but Andy Paley. But that takes nothing away from the point I was making. But sorry for the mis-info.

I kinda like Doug Supernaw on "Long tall texan". But yeah, if I'd have to choose between him and Buck Owens, I'd go with the latter. George Jones in my head is reserved for God Only Knows. Man, what he could've done with that song.....  Love
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Monterey Pop Festival on: June 25, 2017, 09:18:34 AM
Ah ok, thanks. Misunderstood that
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Monterey Pop Festival on: June 24, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
Now that's some interesting stuff!
How much of the Hawaii shows did you film, Ed?
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aren't You Glad (2017 Stereo Mix) up on youtube! on: June 23, 2017, 10:56:16 AM
"Aren't you glad" is back online, this time on NPR:

Songs We Love: The Beach Boys, 'Aren't You Glad'

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/23/533847251/songs-we-love-the-beach-boys-arent-you-glad-gets-a-crystalline-new-stereo-mix


EDIT:

I didn't see that it was already posted by RONDEMON. Sorry!
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aren't You Glad (2017 Stereo Mix) up on youtube! on: June 22, 2017, 12:48:20 PM
The best recording of Aren't You Glad is the live version on the Beach Boys Live In London record, the song has so much more life on that recording than the studio version.


Al's vocal on the live version is amazing
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