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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: Today at 02:46:07 AM
Could it be Mike contributed to the vocal arrangement and how they were sang/what parts were sang? I'm just wondering because his songwriting credit on Mama Says has confused me as well. Maybe it goes beyond lyrics?


Maybe he came up with "Poof!". That one wasn't on earlier versions I believe
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Milt Love Auction. on: May 27, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
Elvis' jet was estimated between 2 and 3.5 million, and sold for 430,000


Ed, when I saw that an Elvis Jet was auctioned I was planning on posting it on your "Dennis Wilson 1944-1983" Facebook site and ask if that was the plane you took the pictures of Brian, Dennis and Jan Berry. But when I saw the inside of the plane the answer was quite obvious: It wasn't. And it wasn't the "Lisa-Marie" either, was it?
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Milt Love Auction. on: May 26, 2017, 12:47:17 PM
Did anyone read any of the descriptions on the individual items??

Here's one on the supposed Brian "contract" to Marilyn:

The document discusses Brian agreeing to write another song for American Spring within a certain amount of time. It also mentions "running." He further agrees to it being a certain kind of song. On the back of the document there is a mention of a certain amount of money, and the document is signed by Marilyn and Brian Wilson. The document is also dated 07/05/1977. This document's content is quite interesting for being written on a small piece of paper, and is signed by both husband and wife.

Brian to the Maharishi:

This letter is a handwritten document that Brian Wilson wrote to Maharishi in the 1960's, asking him to have Mike Love return to LA for recording.

Brian to Danny Hutton:

 From: Brian Wilson To: Danny Hutton (Three Dog Night) Re: Jews - This document is from the estate of Milton Love, and was discovered in a drawer of a dresser that was purchased. It is a photostat copy of "National Airlines" staionary that has a letter from Brian Wilson to Danny Hutton (Three Dog Night). The two gentleman have been close for a very long time, and still are today. The document talks QUITE OPENLY about how Brian feels about "Jews" and a certain "Beef" he has. The document starts off with flattery, and goes into personal finances and his feelings about his journey. The content of this letter suggests that he could be speaking about someone, or group of people that are jewish that he was working with at the time.




The content of this letter suggests that he could be speaking about someone, or group of people that are jewish that he was working with at the time.

If I'm not mistaken, the Rovell family (and therefor Marylin) is jewish.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 26, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
Nothing new but the press release is now also up on the official site:

https://www.thebeachboys.com/news/beach-boys-open-vaults-1967-sunshine-tomorrow-be-released-worldwide-june-30
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: COUNTRY MUSIC on: May 26, 2017, 11:30:03 AM


Do you know this?


Old Dogs - 1 of 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN1YTcLQdBM

2/5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdvcRLQwgts

3/5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOgjpX9Cjoo

4/5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GfGBDs6rWs

5/5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJNPxOkUG5Y
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 24, 2017, 10:25:50 AM
Uh... wait, hang on. I just happened to play the Live In London/Concert twofer the day before yesterday, for the first time in many years, and that 1967 live rendition of H&V... well, it surely is ACTUALLY live, not a rehearsal. I mean, you can hear an audience throughout the performance but especially in the quieter parts, screaming for Dennis and suchlike (it's really irritating, actually!). So surely that final track on the twofer was one of the ACTUAL live performances, not a live rehearsal before the audience came in? (unless they had an audience for the rehearsals as well. I know that does happen these days sometimes, but I thought not for these particular recordings)

Now, I know you hear audience noise at the start of the track because it's partly crossfaded on that CD from a 1964 performance of Don't Worry Baby, but that's far from the only crowd noise - as I just said, it interrupts all through the H&V performance.

Of course, this highlights one of the great confusions there has been over the last 50 years about the Hawaii recordings. As I understand it (and do weigh in if I'm wrong here), there are three kinds of recordings from that period, all related to the Hawaii concerts but not all of which were recorded during the concerts... or indeed even IN Hawaii:

the band recorded live rehearsals on-stage in Honolulu, with no audience, before the shows (the lovely live recording of Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring, as included at the end of the 1990s SS/WH twofer, was one of these, I believe... surely the definitive recording of the band performing that tune);

they recorded two days' worth of actual concerts (so with the audience screaming away throughout - I believe this is where the live bootlegs of those shows come from, one of which is the only source for the short number Hawthorne Boulevard, and also, I believe, where the live H&V at the end of the Live In London/Concert twofer came from);

They re-recorded some tracks from scratch at Wally Heider's studio once back in LA, presumably because the Hawaii recordings were technically deficient or they were too out of their gourds on-stage in Honolulu to give decent performances, which rendered the live tracks unsuitable for the planned live album. Just to confuse matters still further, it looks as though they kept also tape running throughout the Heider sessions, so there are a lot of rehearsals for the 'studio Hawaii tracks' (which actually aren't from Hawaii, but LA) too so when tracks have appeared from these sessions on boots described as 'rehearsals', it's often been really hard to tell whether they're the live rehearsals on-stage in Hawaii, or the studio rehearsals from back in LA at Heider's. Anyway, this is where the beautiful, if slightly loose 'Smileyized' performances of the time for Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, and God Only Knows come from. The version of God Only Knows from here was on Endless Harmony (a version I love so deeply that it almost almost eclipses the studio original for me), and the versions of California Girls and Help Me Rhonda were on MiC.

As I recall, Surfer Girl from this period is really problematic in this respect, as they played it in the live rehearsals in Hawaii (one of these performances made it onto Disc 5 of the GV boxed set in 1993), they played it live at the Hawaii concerts, and from memory they also rehearsed and recorded it, I think, at Heider's. So when on bootlegs we've seen 'Surfer Girl (Lei'd In Hawaii version)' or 'Surfer Girl (Hawaii rehearsal)', it can be really hard to know exactly what the photon we're dealing with.

Urm. Is that roughly right? To return to topic, if the version of H&V really is a live Hawaii REHEARSAL, then I would expect it to be different from the last track on the Live In London/Concert twofer... which was a 'real' live recording from one of the actual Hawaii concerts. And I wouldn't expect it to be the version with the Mike 'Nuclear Bomb' monologue, as that was from the STUDIO rehearsals at Heider's, back in LA...

...er... I *think*.

Anybody wanna step in, here...?

You pretty much got it, Matt. And yes, the live H&V at the end of the Concert/Live In London CD is from one of the two Honolulu concert performances, not a rehearsal.



Here's the live version as released on the Concert/Live in London twofer; it comes from the first show IIRC:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMrHHapsNoM


The second show is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1a5E9J32jk


Performance wise the second show was the better one. And I just want to repeat that I think the boys did a very good job performing H&V on stage. Unfortunately they didn't keep it in their set.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 23, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
I'm curious if the mono "album" version of "With a Little Help From My Friends" will play at Bruce's original intended speed (with "slow" vocal), while it's the stereo mix that has been re-done? I would assume that's the likelihood if they're pulling the "Lei'd In Hawaii" album proper from an original, vintage mix/tape.

I'm curious as well if they did the new mix of "With a Little Help.." by keeping the backing track at the same speed and then altering Bruce's voice digitally to keep it in the same key but sounding "speeded up" so to speak. It has been ages since I listened to it, but the "Rarities" version of the song was in the original (Beatles) key, so it was indeed always the "speed" of Bruce's voice that sounded off more than anything else. So I would imagine they'd be able to digitally "speed up" Bruce's voice but keep it at the same pitch and then also essentially "stretch" it so that it still fits the tempo of the same backing track.


Here you go:

This is the "slow" version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwqH4bj1zfw


And a speed corrected version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc8mRRZvNwA




EDIT:

Rolling Stone reports also:


Beach Boys Unearth Rare Songs for 'Sunshine Tomorrow' Set
Band will explore post-'Pet Sounds' era with alternate takes, live recordings from 'Wild Honey,' 'Smiley Smile' sessions

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-unearth-rare-songs-for-sunshine-tomorrow-set-w483761
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 23, 2017, 09:35:27 AM
Wow! Reading it like this makes it even more exciting!


The Lei'd in Hawaii mono master - wow!  So With a Little Help from my Friends was recorded for the "live" Hawaii album?  


That's how I understand it as well. So this is the album they would have released (between Smiley Smile and Wild honey?). Kinda strange that they wouldn't include their newest hit "Heroes & Villains", isn't it?
While we're at it, this is as good a place as any to mention that I love their '67 performance of H&V. Although just 5 guys and 4 instruments, it really works very well imo. Unfortunately they don't seem to have played it live after the Hawaii shows for a couple of years.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 22, 2017, 10:36:23 AM
Howie, Alan, Craig or whoever else is in the know, can you tell us how it was possible to remix this into stereo after many years during which it wasn't possible? New tapes found?
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 21, 2017, 11:40:27 AM
All I can say is - wait 'til you hear "Aren't You Glad" in Stereo.
Mmm, mmm, mmm....


C-man, can we expect to see some of your wonderful session research for this release?


Yes, but not a full-blown sessionography this time - for about half the album, the master takes are the only surviving multi-track tapes, so those are the only ones where we get to hear all the takes with chatter in-between, allowing us to determine who is playing what. Plus, space was limited. But, you'll get a ton of great sounding music and Howie's superb liner notes, with a little bit of historical session info.



Good enough for me! Thanks!
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 21, 2017, 11:11:44 AM
All I can say is - wait 'til you hear "Aren't You Glad" in Stereo.
Mmm, mmm, mmm....



C-man, can we expect to see some of your wonderful session research for this release?
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Sgt. Pepper Anniversary Release on: May 20, 2017, 02:31:07 PM
The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, which Rolling Stone named as the greatest album of all time, turns 50 on June 1st. In honor of the anniversary, and coinciding with a new deluxe reissue of Sgt. Pepper, we present a series of in-depth pieces one for each of the album's tracks, excluding the brief "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" reprise on Side Two that explore the background of this revolutionary and beloved LP. Today's installment focuses on how Paul McCartney's solo travels after the end of the Beatles' final tour inspired the title track and gave Sgt. Pepper its famous "alter ego" concept.


Beatles' 'Sgt. Pepper' at 50: How Paul McCartney's Travels Inspired the Title Track

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/beatles-sgt-pepper-at-50-what-inspired-the-title-track-w482061
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 20, 2017, 11:45:50 AM
Just for the fun of it, here's the Rolling Stone's review of Wild Honey from 1968:


In any case it's good to see that the Beach Boys are getting their heads straight once again.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/wild-honey-19680224
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Rolling Beach Boys covers thread on: May 20, 2017, 04:06:48 AM
Couldn't find this being posted before.

Herb Alpert - California girls

From 1968

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49w0SsrqKmg
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 19, 2017, 03:11:33 PM
I'm still trying to figure these two tracks out:


22 Game Of Love (Outtake / Live / 1967)

24 With A Little Help From My Friends (Stereo Mix / Live / 1967)



They surely weren't played on the bottlegged Hawaii shows. Of "With a little help from my friends" there's only that studio recording with Bruce on lead making the rounds. Or is it filed under "live" because it was recorded during the sweetening sessions for the live album (if that is even the case)?


Anyway, since the Lei'd in Hawaii shows only were available in unusable quality for an official release on it's own, do you think they might have found the original tapes and we could expect some improvements in sound or is there no way those recordings can be made better sounding?
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: May 19, 2017, 07:26:21 AM
Wow, that is interesting!

Plus Smiley Smile sessions, Lei'd in Hawaii plus more.....
17  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: COUNTRY MUSIC on: May 17, 2017, 04:27:57 PM
probably was me rocker, i see that on Willie's album now, my copy is in the mail. 


Did you already had a chance to listen to it? How do you like it?





Willie Nelson to Jeff Sessions: Smoke Some Pot

http://www.rollingstone.com/country/features/willie-nelson-to-jeff-sessions-smoke-some-pot-w482579
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pro Shot Beach Boys Concerts on: May 17, 2017, 03:55:10 PM
Pet Sounds 50 Tour. Basel Oct 31 2016

https://youtu.be/JpQfySVo6iY


Thank you! It's already on the list but I had forgotten about it. Never got around to watch it in it' sentirety. So thanks for the reminder!  Smiley
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / The Beach Boys Media / Re: The Official BB You Tube Thread on: May 15, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
I hadn't seen these clips before:



Session Men: Al Jardine (Director Gil Baker)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkUJY__GyxA



SOUNDBREAKING | The Elevated Musical Consciousness of The Beach Boys | PBS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqojzPT5gvE
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys ‎In London 1966 by Peter Whitehead on: May 15, 2017, 09:11:58 AM
I think this comes from it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjXVrASiWRY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM6g1EYAhto
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: More info on this performance of California girls on: May 13, 2017, 09:45:05 AM
If someone has info that this clip is anything but Kraft Music Hall, Feb 1969 aired on NBC, please add it. Otherwise I'm 99% sure that's exactly where this was taken from. In this case since it was a California themed episode of that variety show, it would make sense for them to do this song. Then they also did "I Can Hear Music" which would have been a contemporary song for them to feature, so it evened out. Why they would do California Girls on something like Dutch TV is more of a mystery, but consider maybe that's what the fans watching those shows would have expected them to do, or maybe that's what the show itself asked them to do? It's odd but it was a big hit so maybe there was still demand in Europe into 68-69 for them to do these hits from 65-66 on TV appearances.


You mean this one, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzCy0VKMhUs


I think we can see Mike Douglas at the beginning
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: COUNTRY MUSIC on: May 08, 2017, 12:59:22 PM
http://theboot.com/glen-campbell-adios-song/

does this track sound faimilar?  it's a track off a to be a farewell album by Glen Campbell.
Linda Ronstadt recorded this song in the past with song fella doing backing vocals.....



Nice one!
I remember Linda talking about Brian's work in the IJWMFTT documentary and how he came up with the vocal arrangement while playing boogie woogie on the piano in a different key iirc



BTW I forgot to mention that Loretta Lynn had a stroke and is in the hospital (maybe there are already new informations out)
23  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: COUNTRY MUSIC on: May 04, 2017, 12:29:38 PM
Someone asked in this thread about Willie's "Still not dead" and if it's still online somewhere to listen to (unfortunately I can't find the message nor remember who it was that asked). Well, it's on his new album and here's the music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J34esa_aJxc
24  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Jan and Dean's Carnival of Sound-I'm confused on: May 03, 2017, 11:08:42 AM

That said, I'm hoping we'll get to do a Jan & Dean box set soon.



That would be great news!
I posted an idea for a box set on the Jan messageboard a couple of months back. I re-post it here just for fun:


One CD has to focus on the hits of course, maybe including some lesser known stuff from the early stage. All in their original mono mixes. And some studio dialogues etc. to show Jan (and Dean) working with the musicians.

Another CD could feature new stereo mixes and interesting backing tracks, acapella mixes and - if possible - recordings of just the orchestration of certain songs (like for example the string parts of "Ride the wild surf").

CD 3 could be dedicated to live performances. Mark just mentioned a couple of weeks back on the Smiley Smile messageboard the November '65 San Diego show (partly seen in "On the run") and the Hullabaloo Night Club recordings (later found on Filet Of Soul) that imo were perfect candidates for this. Maybe even something like the '63 Hollywood Bowl performance ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxC9egTxPoc ).

On CD 4 you could have the original "Filet Of Soul" if it was ever finished or, if not, selected parts of it, including the one side on Dean's anthology. Added to that the original Batman & Robin monologues could find a place here.

CD 5 I'd love to feature the recordings that show Dean's work while Jan was in the hospital plus Jan's work after he was out of hospital. That means all the originally released singles like "Summertime, summertime" (which I really don't like) and "California lullaby", Dean's version of "Louisiana man", certain highlights from "Save for a rainy day" and "Vege-tables". Then of course the originally released songs from the "Carnival of sound" project.
Added to that some of the best stuff from later years by both guys. "How, how I love her", "Don't you just know it" (Brian Wilson's name will surely make for some more attention for this set), "Mother earth" etc. (I don't know if there is also some stuff from Dean).


Apart from an essay by Mark Moore the booklet could include memorabilia, maybe even a facsimile of a arrangement chart written by Jan. If there are good interviews of Jan and Dean maybe those could be printed. Or some radio interviews from the 60s (if there exist some useful ones) could be put onto one of the first CDs on this boxset.

Give that set a cool title (unfortunatley "Gotta take that one last ride" has been taken already) and hope that Dean can come up with a similar fantastic design as he did for "Carnival of sound"
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Wild Honey LP Reissue in STEREO - 2017 on: May 02, 2017, 09:43:58 AM
I'm pretty sure that "Wild Honey" is the only 2012 MIC mix.


Interesting, thanks!
Howie, do you know (and are in position to share info about) if there will also be bonustracks that give a view into the sessions? On the SOT bootlegs we have some stuff and something like that in a nicely done way would be just great imo. Maybe some acapella-mixes and some backing tracks, along of course with live versions.

I wonder if the exhausting vocal sessions for the abandoned bridge of "IWMTLH" will be on it. 

 That's the best part of the song! A cruel fate that it was cut. Let's hope so!



That's a cool part indeed!


On my own "Wild Honey"- deluxe edition I wanted to include some special mixes. One I didn't have to make myself is a version of Brian's piano track combined with Carl's lead vocal. So in the end you have only Carl's voice and Brian's piano. It's great and really interesting imo to understand what a cool lead vocal Carl delivered. Unfortunately that mix isn't on youtube anymore. But something like that would definitely be a nice bonus.

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