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2051  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Love's new album? on: June 27, 2006, 03:19:46 PM
While I kinda liked Cool Head, Warm Heart, I'm always surprized at how lame Mike's lyrics became after 1970-71.  For someone who made such great lyrical contributions to Brian's songs in the past, what could have happenned to him?  Did he get too groovy/into meditation and philosophically decided to make all his songs "message songs" about ecology and TM?  Did he forget his own first rule of songwriting - boy girl, boy girl, boy girl?  Did he, like Brian, lose some of his mind to drugs during that brief period he was experimenting with them?
2052  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys do "Lumpy Gravy"? on: June 27, 2006, 09:11:55 AM
That's Brian, not mike, trapped inside the piano.
2053  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Scrapped 'Heroes' sections? on: June 27, 2006, 09:11:07 AM
The "instrumental section" I presume you're talking about - the clip clop percussion and with the strings opening - is "prelude to fade."

don't forget Swedish frog!
2054  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good Vibrations 40th Anniversary Single on: June 27, 2006, 09:05:23 AM
A new instrumental stereo mix was created for this CD.
2055  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: beachboycentral.com News on: June 23, 2006, 01:10:43 PM
hopefully they'll take paypal.
2056  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: let's talk about brian wilson, phil spector and Baroque pop on: June 23, 2006, 01:08:36 PM
Phil's Righteous Brothers stuff I would consider baroque pop, as well as some of his Ronettes stuff (Walking in the Rain, Paradise).  Pet Sounds certainly. 
2057  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Capitol Press Release for "Pet Sounds" 40th Anniversary & "GV" CD Single on: June 21, 2006, 09:36:57 AM
Thanks Mark!  I can't wait to hear the new mono source transfer.
2058  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Capitol Press Release for "Pet Sounds" 40th Anniversary & "GV" CD Single on: June 19, 2006, 02:41:11 PM
Mark was trumpeting the discovery of a new tape of the mono Pet Sounds, a straight digital transfer from the master tape (before it was lost) with no noise reduction, just a flat transfer.  Is this being used for the mono/stereo CD and the DVD hi rez mono version?  Or are they just repeating what was used on the DVD-A, which was the second generation New York tape?

Also, aren't hi rez versions of the stereo Pet Sounds new to this release?
2059  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First Pics of Beach Boys Capitol Get Together on: June 15, 2006, 11:14:02 AM
It may be that they love each other, but I don't see how this Capitol arranged reunion "shows" they love each other.  They were courteous and friendly, but I don't think any of us has the knowledge of what's going on in their heads and hearts to make the leap that this event either validates or proves anyone's feelings towards each other.  I would agree that it shows they don't hate each other to the point of being unable to interact with one another in a normal, cordial manner.
2060  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Erased Brian Wilson songs on: June 15, 2006, 11:08:32 AM
Why would Steve make up a story like that?  I of course assume it's true.  If Brian was working just with Steve, there wouldn't be anyone else to witness it, other than Brian of course.  Someone could ask him that question on his website maybe?
2061  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 15, 2006, 11:06:39 AM
The Good Vibrations sessions on Hawthorne were billed as being in stereo for the first time - I hope these will be different sessions than were already on that CD?

2062  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Tracklisting Now Available for "Good Vibrations" CD Single on: June 14, 2006, 08:48:24 AM
Hopefully track 4, the instrumental, will be a new true stereo mix of the track - Good Vibrations box set instrumental version was only partially in stereo (either the verses or choruses were not instereo, can't remember which right now).

It's too bad they didn't include the two earlier, complete instrumental takes that wereon the Sea of Tunes GV box set.
2063  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 3 years in bed-- myth or fact? on: June 09, 2006, 06:34:26 PM
But it's a great myth, isn't it?  And it spawned the Barenaked Ladies song.

In a metaphorical sense he spent three years in bed because those were not very productive years for Brian, at least as far as we knew - perhaps Peter's book will put the lie to that too, as he mentions various activities Brian participated in that were not common knowledge.
2064  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Barnyard on: June 08, 2006, 07:53:39 AM
There's a version of Barnyard with the backing vocals and no animal sound effects and a version of Barnyard with the backing vocals and the animal sound effects.  I don't believe the multitrack has been found, but Alan may know more about that.
2065  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: "Surf's Up" & America on: June 08, 2006, 07:45:09 AM
According to most accounts, Surf's Up was written "in one night" BUT AFTER it was written, according to Van Dyke, Brian was playing it for Dennis after coming back from their European tour (so that would be November, right?  Don't have Badman handy) and Dennis had been complaining about the striped shirt reception and how people had laughed at them.  Dennis was overcome after hearing Surf's Up and asked what the title was - and that was when Van Dyke dubbed it Surf's Up, despite the fact there was no surf's Up lyric in the song at that time, to indicate his support for what the Beach Boys represented and that it was nothing to be ashamed about.  Then the coda was written to include the surf's Up lyric.

I'm ignoring a recent Brian interview in which he said Surf's Up was written in three days, one section per day.
2066  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World track production on: May 25, 2006, 10:39:47 AM
I think Rocker is on the mark here - when Smiley SMile failed commercially, and the subsequent albums and singles failed (well, wild Honey did OK), the band, which were taking more of a role in songwriting and production, no longer trusted Brian's musical instincts in terms of making a hit.  They weren't interested in struggling to complete Brian's passing fancies that didn't seem to be going anywhere and had very little potential to become a hit.  This was a dark period of unpopularity for the band, the Maharishi tour was a disaster, and they really wanted a hit song.  I'm sure they recognized the musical brilliance of some of what Brian was doing, but it seemed to them out of touch with the music market of the day (heavy, guitar driven music - Hendrix, Cream - or the more poppy stuff) so  they went to outside
producers (Rick Henn, the Seasons in the Sun guy).  They were desperate.
2067  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian and Al...together again? on: May 25, 2006, 10:26:56 AM
It would interesting to hear them together because back in the day, Al's voice was the closest, and at times a dead ringer, for Brian's voice.  Listen to the end of the Back Home (Sunflower era) demo on Get the Boot - Al and Brian are singing together and it sounds like Brian alone doubletracked.  Since Brian's voice is dodgy these days, having Al sing some of the songs in Brian's set would be great.
2068  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World track production on: May 23, 2006, 06:54:56 PM
"The other night Alan agreed with statements by Peter Reum and Peter Carlin that Brian didn't finish what he started after the Friends album, letting Carl pick up slack"

I thought Peter has said that Brian didn't finish what he started with Wild Honey and Friends either, Carl and Murry picking up the slack.
2069  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World track production on: May 23, 2006, 01:25:39 PM
Interesting - since Alan mentioned how Carl was listed as producer for the session.  So it would be at the very least a coproduction.

Dating back to the days of Brad Elliott I've been under the assumption that the only track fully produced by Brian was Add Some Music - as you get more definitive information from the tapes as to who produced what, please share with us!
2070  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is and isn't a SMiLE session on: May 23, 2006, 01:23:04 PM
I think I may be the source of the Oct/Dec Worms confusion.  It was in my Smile primer and apparently copied by Badman, but Andrew Doe checked and indeed it was December, not October.  I must have made a typo or misread my own handwriting when typing the thing.  I have since corrected and updated the Smile primer (it's on the smileshop site, but the update has not yet been posted) - anyone who wants one, pm me.

The intensive late December activity suggests to me that Brian was trying to finish the album for a January release, but I doubt it was final mixes.  More likely vocals, and perhaps missing lead vocals to Cabinessence, Worms, and maybe even Child.  Lost in Columbia Recorders somewhere with the Good Vibrations vocal multitracks.
2071  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: This Whole World track production on: May 23, 2006, 01:10:01 PM
Maybe the unusualness of this track in terms of production has something to do with Carl producing it?
2072  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What is and isn't a SMiLE session on: May 21, 2006, 04:22:05 PM
I'd keep it all.  Tones in particular - it was recorded under the same project number as Smile.  Doesn't mean it was meant for Smile, but it might have been.  At that time Brian was struggling with what to include and not include for Smile, what to finish and what to junk, there was controversy over the Van Dyke Parks material, particularly with Cabinessence and Surf's Up, and Brian may very well have put Tones on the LP if it had come out.  Well, and if Carl had finished it.

Dennis' I Don't Know - this is more problematic, I can't see Brian putting a Dennis track on the LP at this point, but who knows.  I don't.

The Sept. Dennis Columbia Recorders session must be a vocal overdub on something.
2073  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian's Masterpiece on: May 21, 2006, 04:11:51 PM
Good Vibrations, besides being such an innovative record with multiple movements and time changes, was a huge worldwide hit.  To fulfill both of those criteria, I think God Only Knows/Wouldn't It Be Nice would be his highmark, although neither was the hit that GV (or California Girls) was.

The Smiley chorus was recorded in February 67 (the backing track, without the organ overdub).  He mixed out a lot of the percussion and the bass from the track when he overdubbed the organ during Smiley - they were restored in the Hawthorne stereo Heroes mix.  But it's unclear if the track was meant to be a chorus in February - the tape box had "Side Two" written on it.

When Brian had his doubts about Heroes, he may have thought back to Good Vibrations and the fact that the chorus "hook" is what really brought listeners into the song and allowed him the latitude to experiment with the rest of it.  Or the Lovester may have been demanding he make it more commercial.  But I agree that the weakness of the single, besides the overall muddy mix and the Baldwin organ predominating over the more complex and interesting instruments buried in the mix, is the minor key chorus.  I prefer the way Carl arranged it for live performances with a more "rocking" chorus.
2074  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Hallmark Beach Boys CD "Songs From Here And Back" on: May 17, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
Why wasn't Bruce given space for a song?  Or did he choose not to contribute?
2075  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Daryl Dragon Producer on: May 16, 2006, 01:22:09 PM
This from an Ear Candy interview discussing Daryl's role during Sunflower:

"I have no proof that I contributed much to that album, but I feel that I literally PRODUCED many of the cuts on that album. Dennis Wilson - sadly - is no longer with us, but I’m sure if you were able to contact him ‘on the other side’, he’d substantiate my production credit / arrangement input for SUNFLOWER."

I assume this means Daryl coproduced Dennis's cuts, working on the arrangements?  Or did he do the same on some of the other's tracks as well?  I know he wrote the ending of Don't Go Near the Water on Surf's Up.  I'd be interested if anyone has more details on Daryl's production role.  On the Dennis Wilson Dreamer site interview he talks about orchestral arrangements for Dennis songs on Carl and The Passions - did Daryl also do Be With Me and Never Learn Not to Love?  I always thought it was a giant leap for Dennis to make to go from Little Bird (which had Brian's help) and Be Still to something as complex as the orchestral arrangements for Be With Me.
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