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201  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Your SMiLE sequence on: October 22, 2017, 02:19:36 PM
At least two people care.
202  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Does anyone have info about this Smile vinyl bootleg? on: October 14, 2017, 10:12:52 AM
I have this but the cover is not the "back cover" and a plain white cover on the back as the poster has linked to but this cover:

http://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/beach-boys-smile-capitol-double-lp-set-sea-of-tunes-rare-release

with white labels instead of black/no labels and the smileshop on the front.
203  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If I meet Mike and Bruce is it OK if I'm wearing a BW Pet Sounds shirt? on: October 14, 2017, 08:21:07 AM
If you ask him I'll bet Mike would sign the Tshirt for you.
204  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: October 11, 2017, 07:03:20 AM
"Worth noting is going back (again) to the classic era of the Beach Boys and Brian's productions, when have Brian's productions been simpler, less adorned, dry sounding, etc?"

Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, some of the Smile stuff (Wind Chimes verse remake, Child remake, some of the Vegetables April sessions, etc.).  Maybe not what you're referring to as the "classic" era though.
205  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What are some great books detailing the recording of Pet Sounds and Smile? on: October 04, 2017, 07:09:53 AM


Here is David Toop's Nov 2011 Smile essay: pt. 1 pt. 2

A few good points among all the gobbledy-gook in that Smile essay.
206  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What are some great books detailing the recording of Pet Sounds and Smile? on: October 02, 2017, 05:11:28 PM
The booklet that comes in the Pet sounds Sessions box has lots of details about recording, interviews with wrecking crew musicians and Brian's associates at the time, it's essential if you don't have it.
207  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A definitive list of songs Mike Love won co-writing credit for? on: October 02, 2017, 05:08:53 PM
That's on the list which is roughly chronological not alphabetically arranged.
208  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: A definitive list of songs Mike Love won co-writing credit for? on: October 02, 2017, 03:33:45 PM
You are correct sir- I checked the AP SACD and the credit is still Wilson-Christian.  So scratch that off the list.
209  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / A definitive list of songs Mike Love won co-writing credit for? on: October 02, 2017, 06:40:31 AM
This is not a definitive list - Please feel free to add or subtract or otherwise correct.  It's based on Andrew's list but I noticed there are some songs not on his list which I have added.

Chug a Lug
409*
Farmer's Daughter
Shut Down
Noble Surfer
Finders Keepers
Hawaii*
Catch a Wave
Be True to Your School*
I Get Around*
Custom Machine
Keep an Eye on Summer
All Summer Long*
Wendy
Do You Remember?
Drive In
Don't Back Down*
Little Saint Nick*
Santa's Beard
The Man with All the Toys*
Good to my Baby
Don't Hurt My Little Sister
When I Grow Up*
Help Me Rhonda*
Dance Dance Dance*
Kiss Me Baby
She Knows Me Too Well
In the Back of My Mind
The Girl from New York City
Amusement Parks USA
Salt Lake City
California Girls*
Let Him Run Wild
You're So Good to Me
Wouldn't It Be Nice
I Know There's an Answer

* = songs mentioned by Mike Love in pre-lawsuit interview as song he co-wrote but received no credit for

Another song mentioned by Mike Love as a song he didn't receive for credit for was Please Let Me Wonder ("I wrote the verses, not relating to the title") but the song on the 1990 CD and the Pastmasters CD IS credited Wilson-Love!  A mistake on Mike's part?  I dont' have my original vinyl handy to check on the credits there.

Songs mentioned by Mike as co-writes that he did NOT receive credit for:

Merry Christmas Baby - at least not on the 1998 Christmas CD
South Bay Surfer - credited to Brian, Carl and Dennis

Songs Mike claimed and won credit for that had minimal contributions from Mike:

409 - he came up with "she's real fins my 409" and "giddy up giddy up 409"
I Get Around - he came up with "round round get around, I Get Around"
Help Me Rhonda - Mike came up with the first line, "Since she put me down I've been out doin' in my head"
Wouldn't It Be Nice - the infamous "good night baby, sleep tight baby" the sum total of Mike's contribution

210  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 28, 2017, 06:37:28 AM
Smiley Smile was released Sep 18 in the USA, so presumably these liner notes were written before then - if the Apan Heroes single was released early to mid September then the liner notes were probably written several weeks before, so likely in August.  Still by then Smiley Smile should have been on the Capitol release schedule and you would think the author of the notes would have realized the album was not going to be called Smile.  But then no one (at least critics/writers not in the Beach Boys circle) realized that Smiley Smile was going to be a different animal than the previously announced Smile until it was released.
211  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heroes and Villains: 1967 Japanese Single Liner-Notes... on: September 27, 2017, 06:02:30 AM
What was the release date on this 45 in Japan, and are the liner notes credited to a specific writer?
212  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pet Sounds complete recording sessions on: September 26, 2017, 08:42:51 AM
You need Sea of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters Vol 12 (for Sloop sessions), 13-14 (PS sessions) and 15 for the GV sessions that were recorded during Pet Sounds, if you want to go that far.  I'll exclude GV from any further listings because all of the early sessions are on UM Vol 15 plus some early mixes on the Smiley/WH 2fer.

Official releases:  Pet Sounds Sessions box, Good Vibrations Thirty Years box set (for the alternate Hang on to Your Ego), Made in the USA for the alternate mix of Wouldn't It Be Nice (can't remember if this is on the PS Sessions box or not), Pet Sounds 50th for alternate mix of I Know There's an Answer and I Know There's an Answer vocal session (the later I'm sure is on the UM Pet Sounds session somewhere).

Odds and Ends:  Goodbye Surfing Hello God has "Banana and Louie Beagle Recording Session" and supposedly three alternate mono mixes of Pet Sounds tracks.
213  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: My Idol Dennis Wilson on: September 23, 2017, 09:29:52 AM
Mike giving someone acid with his long standing disapproval of drugs especially LSD? 

Does not compute.
214  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Let's compile a 12 track \ on: September 20, 2017, 08:57:19 AM
(Since we're only talking songs, I'm leaving off Denny's Drums)

Ten Little Indians
I'm Going Bald
Vegetables
Wind Chimes (SS Version)
Take a Load Off Your Feet
Mt. Vernon
Let Us Go On This Way
I Wanna Pick You Up
Here Comes the Night '79
Surfin 92
Summer of Love
Under the Boardwalk

I'm Going Bald - is that the Mike solo version of The Beach Boys' SHE'S going Bald?
215  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 06:12:04 PM
I would hardly call this an over-busy production -- I didn't hear anything other than guitars, bass and drums.

And to think I'd see a day when a BW track was criticized for having harmonies ...

Not for having harmonies - for having overly typical and overused BW harmonies, and the busy-ness of the production is definitely the multiple vocal overdubs.  Let the song breathe - its a good tune, don't obscure it!  Just my opinion of course, it appears I'm in the minority on this.
216  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 18, 2017, 04:59:19 PM
Pleasant enough, but suffers from the overbusy production and the overdone by the numbers BW harmonies.  Sometimes less is more.  The guitar break was the best part.
217  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: I met Mike Love on: September 15, 2017, 09:19:11 AM
Has anyone asked Mike about his contributions to "We Got Love?"  I presume lyrics but that's another Blondie/Ricky song.
218  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Good photos of Dennis on: September 15, 2017, 06:18:39 AM
On stage he wasn't usually in a very good position to be photographed (in the back) in the early days when he looked his best.  In formal group shots I thought he almost always looked good.  Crop some photos of him out of group shots if you're looking for good Dennie pics.
219  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The first Pet Sounds Tour, 2002 - a precedent? on: September 14, 2017, 07:16:07 AM
I was there too.  August 16, 2002 at the Avalon Ballroom in Boston. It was the first time I saw him solo (seen him a dozen times since). I agree completely with Googa about Brian's enthusiasm and his voice back then. The First Pet Sounds Tour and the Smile Tour were the most memorable and amazing shows I saw him do. And it does seem that since those Pet Sounds and Smile tours some other artists have picked up on the "classic album" tours. I just saw The Damned perform two of their classic albums  3D

I was at the same show.  I loved the Van Dyke Parks orchestral Pet Sounds suite as well - I wish a recording of that was released officially.  Kind of a prelude to the Smile suite transitions.
220  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: RIP Frank \ on: September 12, 2017, 08:28:06 PM
Didn't he play the shaking keys on Surf's Up?
221  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Nominate The Beach Boys for The Medal of Freedom on: September 09, 2017, 01:19:24 PM
To quote Brian "you know I hate to be a downer . . . ". but I don't think a medal of freedom is the most appropriate honor for The Beach Boys.  An award in the musical realm would be better I think.
222  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Article: \ on: September 05, 2017, 07:56:10 AM
What I don't want to hear on the new album: 

By the numbers Brian production (bass harmonica, sleighbells, accordions, Pet Sounds style production) remakes of Spector and Berry songs.  BMB, Lovin Feelin, River Deep, Walkin in the Rain, Da Do Ron Ron versions that will pale in comparison to the originals and add nothing to Brian and Phils musical legacy.

What I would like to hear:

Less well known Spector songs:  Hung on You, Paradise, Is That What I Get for Loving You,  Girls Can Tell, Run Run Run Runaway.  Different arrangements with some quirkiness and more "stripped down" arrangements.  Wild Honey style versions of Spector songs would be interesting.  I'd like to finally get a definitive version of a Brian Proud Mary.
223  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Blondie Facebook Q&A on: September 04, 2017, 05:19:57 AM
I wonder what are the skeletons he referred to in relation to Carl?
224  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Our Favorite Recordings (For Collectors Only)... Alternatives? on: September 02, 2017, 05:00:29 AM
The official Made in the USA CD has a very nice sounding Rick and Roll to the Rescue, and is a overall an excellent comp.
225  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set? on: August 30, 2017, 06:27:14 PM
Also does anyone else think the sound quality of Aren't You Glad is better on Goodbye Surfing Hello God than on Sushine Tomorrow?  I wonder if they deliberately degraded the quality with EQ and compression to make the sound fit in better with the less well recorded Thanksgiving tour recordings.
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