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8676  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: January 06, 2006, 05:26:01 PM

foda indie rock.


This line seems out of place in the rest of your post. One can be an indie rocker and not mindlessly follow trends, etc. In fact, I'd say the percentage of indie artists who stay true to their own tastes is far, far higher than non-indie artists. After all, they don't have the backing of gigantic corporate machinery "encouraging" them one way or the other.

8677  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1980's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Keepin' The Summer Alive on: January 06, 2006, 03:01:14 PM
Both you guys, PLEASE fix your avatars!

I tried to, but I'm a fvcking idiot. Shockingly.
8678  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / D. Leaf's "The Beach Boys," published by Courage books on: January 06, 2006, 02:46:33 PM
I came upon this 200-page (or so), ugly pink-covered book the other day at the used book store, and picked it up for $7. Amusingly, the pages covering the period from Smiley Smile through 20/20 are missing entirely, replaced with a repeat of the 30 or so previous pages.

The most interesting thing I saw in the book (apart from the insight into the way Leaf and others may have looked into some of the things we've since learned more about, such as the quality of certain unreleased songs, Smile, etc.) was the mention of a certain allegedly-completed track--I believe called "Lazy Lizzie," which Leaf said is the ful development of the "Pied Piper" melody in the Holland fairy tale.

Does anyone know about that track? Does it exist, and is it any good?
8679  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE on: January 06, 2006, 01:35:45 PM

Damn bloody right, right on Jon.. there were people hanging around just to moan and complain about something that was obviously HUGE to the majority of us, even if you didnt care for it at least have the decency to wait a week at least for people to enjoy the moment that no-one thought would come.

SMiLE is still probably my favourite all time music, even though I feel the live performance is the version to listen to.


Along this sentiment, I have to say that I was grinning like an absolute idiot after first hearing the piece performed live (Glasgow, MArch 3 or 4 '04...I forget exactly). It was one of the best moments of my life, made better because Brian had been horrendous in the first set, but came back to perform a beautiful, touching show of Smile. And I had the same reaction when I heard the actual, released disc for the first time (by which time I'd seen it live again and heard the leaked studio stuff plenty of times). It touched me in a way very, very little music does, has or (most likely) will.
8680  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1980's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Keepin' The Summer Alive on: January 06, 2006, 01:32:17 PM
I almost hate to admit it, but I have to agree with that. Through all the dreck, Carl did sing beautifully.
8681  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: January 06, 2006, 01:30:49 PM

In-depth discussion is never a waste of time.

What about hanging around message boards all the fvcking time?
8682  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Holland on: January 06, 2006, 01:29:13 PM
To me, the low point is the EXTREEEMELY dragging "Steamboat,"
I've never heard anyone say that. I don't agree, but congratulations on an original thought!

Really, to me, "Carl and the Passions" and 'Holland" are really one big long record that to me equals "Sunflower" as my very favorite period in the group's history.

I don't quite agree--I think that if you let me pick 10-12 songs from those two albums, I would put together something that far surpasses Sunflower for me.
8683  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: January 06, 2006, 01:25:56 PM
...

(Luther doesn't respond, and the group sits in silence, waiting. See, he's off reading some highbrow Pynchon, Joyce or some such stuff--cover held high so passersby can read it!)
8684  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Circus magazine on: January 06, 2006, 01:23:03 PM
That's hilarious! I can't quite say with any degree of honesty that I love or listen to that stuff anymore (or even have it...all was on cassette, long since tossed, and not re-purchased). But I do have a soft spot for any music I ever loved, regardless of what I think of it now.

And as for Ace, oh yeah...the '78 solo album. Speedin' back to my baby...
8685  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Unreleased Live shows ? on: January 06, 2006, 01:18:16 PM
3-6 months? I guess spring technically goes to mid-to-late June, but don't make me think that way. Let's agree that spring ends in May. Please. Minnesota sucks bad enough without someone reminding me of how far away we are from summer.
8686  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Circus magazine on: January 06, 2006, 01:09:55 PM
I read it nearly monthly in the late '80s, when it was all bands like Motely Crue, Poison, KISS, etc...the pop-metal set, mostly. I loved that stuff as I was just beginning to play guitar (easy as it was: "wow, I can play like Ace Frehley and CC DeVille!"), and thus the magazine. Who's drumming for whom, and why did so-and-so get a new guitarist?
8687  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The return of the "What are you listening to now?" thread on: January 06, 2006, 01:07:07 PM
Half-Handed Cloud's upcoming Halos and Lassos album. I love this quirky group/person.
8688  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Smiley Smile on: January 05, 2006, 08:54:47 PM
I don't like having my name repeated, over and over, as "getting" anything. I never seriously claim to get anything more complicated than a sandwich...and not a fancy one.
8689  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Holland on: January 05, 2006, 07:25:55 PM
Jeff--Nope, not misreading you. Referring to Ian.

Ian--I don't know about A LOT more, but I'll give you more.
8690  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: January 05, 2006, 06:16:07 PM
I'll Bet He's Nice is honestly among my 15-20 favorite Beach Boys songs ever. I am not being sarcastic or ironic in this post at all (including this sentence, which I realize could be taken that way).
8691  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Holland on: January 05, 2006, 06:12:36 PM
Better to have neither? I would say that if the alternative to the harmless pretentiousness and the rewrites is the remainder of the Beach Boys' career in that era (i.e., virtually nothing at all), I have to disagree.
8692  Smiley Smile Stuff / Brian Wilson Solo Albums / Re: Brian Wilson Presents Pet Sounds Live on: January 05, 2006, 06:11:24 PM
I LOVE the DVD. It's so much fun to watch Brian smile from time to time. The moment in Sloop John B when Jeff comes in singing harmonies early on (Hoist up the John B sail, I think it is), and he seems like, "yeah, this is how it goes..." I'm a corny bastard, I admit, but it's great. The CD takes a lot of out of the experience...not so good.
8693  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Holland on: January 05, 2006, 06:08:14 PM
No, fvck you. Hard.

Good post, Jeff.

OK. But ow. Not so hard... Wink

Really, I think Jeff isn't wrong. But to me there is something harmless about the pretentiousness in Mike's Big Sur lyrics, and various others on the disc. They're not that bad. I'd take it over the endless cycle of rewrites that began later that decade.
8694  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: January 05, 2006, 06:06:03 PM
No question, and I've heard that opinion, too. It might be right, and Jason makes a good point. But Love You is SO FVCKING GOOD...I'd say it proves that Brian can't fvck up, but, well, I've heard too many examples of him sucking.
8695  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Holland on: January 05, 2006, 06:02:01 PM
I agree totally, Jeff, except for the SDT snub.

Oh, Ian, fvck SDT. Hard.
8696  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Holland on: January 05, 2006, 05:49:10 PM
While I don't dispute the "trying too hard" label for parts of Holland, I can't imagine that the previous two or three albums escape that label, either. Sunflower was every bit as forced. Attempts at everything fill that album: cuteness (it came to my window), rock (don't get me started on the Dennis poop), etc. You're right, Jeff, but the genesis of the comment is Sunflower.
8697  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1970's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Love You on: January 05, 2006, 03:31:45 PM
I'm not in a position to know what Brian's intentions are, were or ever shall be (same as most of you), but I find it difficult to believe Brian disliked the material on Love You, or put it out in a fashion so as to "sabotage" anything. It is certainly possible that he knew it wasn't what the bulk of the band would like, or that the public would like, but didn't care. It is also possible that he didn't know that.

But many of those songs have as much spirit in them as any of the hits from a decade before. "Honkin..." and "Roller Skatin' Chilld" and the like are the "I Get Around" and "Help Me, Rhonda" songs of the time for Brian. They fvcking rock. If he were going to sabotage, why use true, developed and originally produced music? Why not just make dissonance or feedback (Hi, I'm Lou Reed, and this is Metal Machine Music...sorry, Ian.) This is a real album, and a damn good one.
8698  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Today! on: January 05, 2006, 03:27:37 PM
I dislike Ronda greatly. It bores me to tears, and the up-down volume on the ending makes me want to turn off the album completely. How's that?  Grin

I agree with it, actually. Therefore, terrible.
8699  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: Beach Boys' Party! on: January 05, 2006, 03:27:06 PM
Is there a combined effort, in your opinion?
8700  Smiley Smile Stuff / 1960's Beach Boys Albums / Re: The Beach Boys Today! on: January 05, 2006, 03:25:30 PM
Funny how the albums generally considered the band's best can have boring threads.

"Love it."

"Yep."

"Me too."

"5."

Doesn't anyone hate Today!?  Oh...didn't think so. Me neither.
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