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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson & Joe Thomas on: September 28, 2017, 12:27:13 PM
I think the easiest explanation for 2012 is that Thomas had recordings Brian wanted. But it could also be he was mutually acceptable among the parties.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 12:25:37 PM
Fine but now I'm going to talk about former NBA player Smush Parker. Gotta get my smush fix.

(I still think we're conflating different things. Similar but not quite the same.)
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 11:47:36 AM
I wish you'd said "this doesn't apply to anything anyone is saying here, but..."

We could've avoided a lot of back and forth.

Though anytime I can say smush, I'm happy

(This is in re GF's most recent post. Clarifying since I was slow on the draw)
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 11:31:36 AM
Gotta be pedantic with you billy: the warble isn't the smush (at least as I've been describing it). But yes, the warble is easier to explain. (Anyone who has ever tuned a guitar by tuning one string to another understands how that works.) I didn't know about the heavy compression and de-essing method though.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 11:17:07 AM
Who is talking conspiracies or diminishing Brian?

And again, I explicitly excluded simple doubling (whether with the same or multiple singers).

I think you're playing defense against an imaginary offense.
56  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 10:54:27 AM
Actually, the first time I was aware of this in a Brian Wilson solo recording was on "Wonderful" from BWPS, where the lead is a combination of Brian vocal tracks (at least a couple) and at least one of Jeff, mixed so it's like a third voice.
To me, that was the more standard idea of a stronger singer doubling the weaker one with the stronger one emphasized and then more or less solo when out of the weaker one's range. What really turned me on more recently was how it began feeling like a magic trick full of misdirection, or where the transition seemed unnoticeable until after it had happened.
57  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 10:43:30 AM
Or he just doesn't care


I'd guess that's the case.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Attempted would imply failed or I'd have just said coup.

But really, smushing: what I've described and meant by this isn't just doubling or otherwise multitracking vocals. It has been what seems to be often seamless blending of lines across people. A Brian-into-Matt that's suddenly Brian again, for example, especially when it's not as easy to detect because of numerous parts going on to distract. Or in RJR, in the refrain, hints of different people's voices (based on timbre, pronunciation) without it being obvious throughout that they're both/all there or obvious edits/break points. That's explicitly what I've been talking about (in a complimentary way, by the way). Your parachuting in to condescend about doubling, how we should have memorized your irrelevant previous NPP post, and the implication that we were being negative, is pretty annoying. So yeah, I'm not above being sarcastic in return.

I hope you now know the glory of the smush. All hail King Smush.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
You forgot to reference the attempted coups and banned members.
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 10:20:35 AM
doubling, tripling, etc isn't what we've been talking about, but as always your patronizing tone is appreciated.

And for the record, it's "smushed." I've posted at length before. Feel free to go read it again. (Not really, I'm just being a dick here.)
61  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 09:27:05 AM
I don't see any conspiracy being suggested, or even real criticism. We're just discussing some interesting audible aspects of the song and wondering--yes, speculating--how it was done.

I enjoy RJR.

Thomas did work on both twgmtr and npp though.
62  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Welcome thread on: September 28, 2017, 07:47:51 AM
By the way, that last post of mine was referring to this:
An interesting read, the "Pick 3 songs" topic. Seriously.

However...

I just thought Mike's Boys put on a great show last June (as did Brian and band in 2008). They did what they did. And what they didn't do etc.

I could've been more clear.

It was very clear to me, cap'n. Maybe I wasn't being altogether clear when I responded to it. LOL

I want to respond in kind with some kind of semiapologetic clarification, that'd just be silly.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Welcome thread on: September 28, 2017, 06:13:23 AM
By the way, that last post of mine was referring to this:
An interesting read, the "Pick 3 songs" topic. Seriously.

However...

I just thought Mike's Boys put on a great show last June (as did Brian and band in 2008). They did what they did. And what they didn't do etc.

I could've been more clear.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 28, 2017, 05:07:35 AM
I don't dislike it. Just trying to discern whether it's all BW and, if not, who else is participating in the lead.
65  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 27, 2017, 07:05:02 PM
There were moments (especially early) in the refrain I felt I was hearing Al blended in, but I don't think that's the case ... which made me suspect maybe it's Matt (whose non-falsetto voice I'm not familiar with, but presumably would share some of Al's characteristics?).
66  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Jazz on: September 27, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
I was just watching an interview between Josh Summers and jazz pianist Aaron Goldberg (on meaningoflife.tv, via youtube) in which the latter recommended this approach to getting into jazz: start with late 50s or early 60s Miles Davis, and based on what you like or don't, go from there. The players will be good, so if you like this or that one, just go forward or backward in time as feels appropriate. The implication was that more or less all roads lead to or from Miles.

What do the fellow jazz fans think? Is that the best way to dig into jazz?
67  Smiley Smile Stuff / Welcome to the Smiley Smile board / Re: Welcome thread on: September 27, 2017, 05:22:39 PM
I think that makes sense. (Let's pretend I didn't just contribute to that thread.) Realistically speaking, I think sometimes as listeners or fans we get too cute by half. "It's good, but it would be better if only..." said the guy who is speaking for himself only, pretending the objective world is his subjective world. Maybe we ought to give the guys who have been doing this professionally for 50+ years the benefit of the doubt.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: \ on: September 27, 2017, 05:08:37 PM
What are people's thoughts regarding the dramatic difference in the sound of the lead vocal in most of the refrain (starting with "you you better run, James, run") versus the final line ("be the man")?

It seems to me that the former is a blending of BW and someone else's voice, while the last line is all BW, sounding a lot more like the verses. But it could also just be a different vocal approach, different processing, etc. And mostly I'm hoping somebody just says smushing again.

(What I am hearing is plenty of that fluttering sound that to me seems to indicate some serious processing, not unlike Mike's voice in "Isn't It Time" after the Foskett falsetto part.)
69  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pick 3 songs to add to the setlists on: September 27, 2017, 04:43:47 PM
This isn't grounded in reality.

Brian Wilson:
"Still I Dream of It"
"Gettin In Over My Head"
"Love Is Here to Stay"

Alternates:
"Mona"
"I'll Bet He's Nice"
"Speed Turtle"  Grin

Beach Boys:
"Big Sur"
"Don't Go Near the Water"
"That's Not Me"
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2017 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds - The Final Performances) on: September 25, 2017, 09:59:50 AM
There's about a 0% chance of that. And I'd guess a full 90-95% of attendees would be furious and/or disappointed.

Think of how many different opinions there are as to what the "big, must-play hits" are. Lots of hits. Must-play is very subjective. And the rarities and deep cuts just aren't popular enough with enough preople, including big fans. Hits are hits because people like them.
71  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: = Playback = on: September 25, 2017, 06:01:58 AM
That's her schtick: disaffected vaguely (or explicitly) druggy character who's just too cool to care. Like a Nico minus the good songs or collaborators. I'd be interested to hear her version out of curiosity, but she's not a very good singer from what I've heard (several albums) or even an interesting character. I got bored pretty quickly after Video Games.
72  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 New Administration on: September 25, 2017, 05:53:54 AM
Iraqi Kurds are voting on independence today. Catalonia is preparing to do the same. I believe Scotland is considering another vote. I always keep my fingers crossed that Texas is serious in its occasional threats (I kid!).

What do you all think generally or about any of the specific efforts?
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Article/Interview - OC Weekly on: September 24, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
Have mercy
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: NBA 2017 Topic on: September 24, 2017, 02:14:25 PM
It's a shame for the fans how much the front office bungled the past year or two, resulting in the need to take solace in two role players and a 2nd rounder for Melo. But when everyone knows you're desperate, you have no leverage.
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: New Mike Article/Interview - OC Weekly on: September 22, 2017, 10:29:54 AM
I wonder whether "guitarist Bruce Johnston " enjoyed this article.
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