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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's sick to death of hearing about the beatles....!? on: February 08, 2014, 11:09:30 AM
I'd guess starting a thread that references the Beatles won't keep you from hearing about the Beatles (unless, having started it, you abandon the thread).

To answer the question of the thread: I am, but not in the way some people seem to be (were they superior/inferior to the Beach Boys, were they really the greatest band ever and if not, who is, etc.). I think they were the best pop band of all time. They deserve acclaim as much as any pop band deserves acclaim.

I'm sick of them just because it gets tiresome to talk about the same old bands whose output has (more or less, barring reissues) ceased. For every one nugget of music or interesting new perspective, there are a few hundred rehashes of old ideas. For example, whether we're sick of hearing about the Beatles.

A simple yes or no would suffice.. No need to be a smartass

I disagree that a simple yes or no would suffice, in which case we could just accomplish the same thing with an up-or-down poll. The fun of a message board--in those rare occasions when it's fun--is reading people's opinions with some sort of context around them. A simple yes or no doesn't provide that. For example, while my answer was actually a yes--superficially your answer, though more on that in the next paragraph--the reason was not the stereotypical one found on this board. I thought it warranted a brief explanation. I'm not expecting anyone to necessarily agree, nor do I care whether they do, but maybe someone would find it interesting.

As far as whether there's need to be a smartass, that's a matter of opinion, too. The goal of that was really just to note that you contradict your own stated opinion by starting a thread on the very topic about which you're tired of reading. That's an inherent contradiction and implies maybe you actually have no trouble reading about the Beatles, as long as it's in the context you want to read about them. (You didn't say anything one way or the other, but given the thread placement on a Beach Boys message board in the "General On Topic Discussions" forum, that context may be something like a general piling on of posts like "yeah, the Beach Boys are better than the Beatles, I hate how everyone always says the Beatles are so great," etc.) I could have said the same thing without the attempt at humor, but it would then have read something more like this long-winded paragraph. Besides, a little levity never broke a message board. Then you sarcastically and misspellingly (I made up that word because it was fun to do so) said I was smart and I made Smile Brian laugh and you edited your post to recommend a simple yes or no and that's pretty much gotten us to where we are now. This post is also a bit on the smartass side, but I assure you there's no malice. Just an intelligent anus.

I do hope nobody else takes your yes-or-no advice, though. It won't suffice.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's sick to death of hearing about the beatles....!? on: February 08, 2014, 07:36:53 AM
I'd guess starting a thread that references the Beatles won't keep you from hearing about the Beatles (unless, having started it, you abandon the thread).

To answer the question of the thread: I am, but not in the way some people seem to be (were they superior/inferior to the Beach Boys, were they really the greatest band ever and if not, who is, etc.). I think they were the best pop band of all time. They deserve acclaim as much as any pop band deserves acclaim.

I'm sick of them just because it gets tiresome to talk about the same old bands whose output has (more or less, barring reissues) ceased. For every one nugget of music or interesting new perspective, there are a few hundred rehashes of old ideas. For example, whether we're sick of hearing about the Beatles.

Wow your smart...!
Thanks. I'm also tall, punctual, and fully prepared to discuss the ins and outs of possessives and contractions.
53  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's sick to death of hearing about the beatles....!? on: February 08, 2014, 07:31:12 AM
I'd guess starting a thread that references the Beatles won't keep you from hearing about the Beatles (unless, having started it, you abandon the thread).

To answer the question of the thread: I am, but not in the way some people seem to be (were they superior/inferior to the Beach Boys, were they really the greatest band ever and if not, who is, etc.). I think they were the best pop band of all time. They deserve acclaim as much as any pop band deserves acclaim.

I'm sick of them just because it gets tiresome to talk about the same old bands whose output has (more or less, barring reissues) ceased. For every one nugget of music or interesting new perspective, there are a few hundred rehashes of old ideas. For example, whether we're sick of hearing about the Beatles.
54  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Critically-Acclaimed Albums that are Unlistenable on: February 08, 2014, 05:22:42 AM
Regarding Trout Mask, I'm with those who don't find it especially difficult to listen to. It would be difficult to play, don't get me wrong. But I think it feels natural as long as you aren't trying to count the meter in one instrument, noticing it's different from another, etc. Unusual, sure. Difficult, no.
55  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm) on: February 07, 2014, 03:40:11 PM
Oh. That's easy. It doesn't.
56  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm) on: February 07, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
I'm assuming you mainly mean me when you say a few posters  LOL

Honestly I don't pay much attention to who is writing what most of the time. And I don't recognize your name. But if it's you, then I guess yes, I mean you!
What does it really matter?

Who are you asking, and what? Are you asking what does it matter if people dredge up old threads? (If so, then I'm not saying it does, I was just interested in it, having seen different people with different opinions on the topic. Just curious what other people thought.)

If you are asking what does it matter who is the person or people doing the thread-revivals, then I don't think it does (as evidenced by my note that I don't really pay attention to who is posting most of the time).

If you are asking something else, I have no idea what it might be.
57  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm) on: February 06, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
I'm assuming you mainly mean me when you say a few posters  LOL

Honestly I don't pay much attention to who is writing what most of the time. And I don't recognize your name. But if it's you, then I guess yes, I mean you!
58  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: February 05, 2014, 04:18:45 PM
After the Disco, the new album by Broken Bells came out today.  Check it out, it's amazing.

Oh yeah, I also previewed some of these songs on iTunes and bought the three I thought I'd like most: the title song ("After the Disco"), "Holding on For Life," and "Leave it Alone." If they grow on me, I'll probably go back and complete the album. So far I really like the former two. Then again I'm a sucker for Mercer's voice.
59  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: February 05, 2014, 04:05:12 PM
Yesterday I bought the previously mentioned Jeremy Messersmith album Heart Murmurs.

I've only listened once through, but have it in my 2014 purchases playlist on shuffle even as we speak, so I'll be hearing tunes come up now and again. My quick verdict is that it didn't capture me immediately the way some music might. There are some beautiful and some clever moments, though, and some of the other aspects strike me as likely slow burners to which I'll warm. "Steve" and "I Want to be Your One Night Stand" are really, really pretty. And for some reason or other, the first line in the album's closer, "Someday, Someone," really tickled my fancy: "Someday, someone will love the f*** out of you." A slow, pretty acoustic ballad with that line, it just killed me. Maybe the fact that I've got a propensity for profanity had something to do with it, too.
60  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Old-Threadiquette (tm) on: February 05, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Lately a few posters have been dredging up long-dormant threads: not a few weeks or months, but years. Sometimes in the past I've noticed members reacting very strongly against this practice; other times, posters rage when people don't do it, but rather begin a new thread on a topic that existed before. What are people's thoughts on the subject? Should old threads be resurrected? Is there a span of time after which it's inappropriate to exhume the corpse? Just curious.

I have mixed feelings. I actually enjoy seeing what people who are still around, myself included, may have said five, six, seven years ago. Conversely, it drives me nuts to see people quoting and responding to posts that were made so long ago by people who often haven't been back in quite some time (and obviously won't ever read the response, much less answer).

What's your opinion on old-threadiquette? (I laughed and called myself clever when I wrote that word. Someone has to call me clever. Why not me?)
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Today's Mainstream Music on: February 05, 2014, 03:30:58 PM
Your generation (retrokid67) is no different than any previous generation. The vast majority of young people inherently have no concept of much beyond their immediate experience. Further, they don't care much about music other than as a tool for social affiliation and enjoyment. Fans of the bands you mention as timeless, like the Beatles, no doubt mocked even the very bands they venerated (such as Elvis, Buddy Holly) as being old-fashioned, pointless, out of touch, uncool, etc. There is nothing unique to current adolescents, ever, any more than there is to the majority of adults who behave inversely, immediately dismissing the new out of hand as not meeting the standards of their version of classics.

The truth is in between.

The benefit the classics have is that by the time they are considered classic, it is that enough time has passed to make it easy to tell. The current scene of any previous era was full of sh*t; people just don't remember, care, or talk about it anymore. There will be stone classics from the present, just as there always are from every single time period. You just need distance.
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Bill Nye to debate against creationism tonight. on: February 04, 2014, 03:17:48 PM
These things can be fun to watch, but sometimes I just get depressed with them. They are typically held--as this one is, from what I see--at a location that anoints a winner before they begin. Held at the Creationism Museum? Ooookay. Sounds legit. They're also often held at religious colleges or universities. There is some faux-high minded talk of being open to being challenged and just seeking truth, but then the event begins and it's not much different than two groups of fans rooting on their home teams, or more specifically two groups of fans awaiting good zingers, as opposed to people listening to the debate and actually thinking through the questions. Don't get me wrong, I love (on occasion) a good Hitchens, Dawkins, Dennett, Nye, Price, Krauss, or any number of others' debates. But they don't do much good, and sadly usually everyone walks out proud his team won.
63  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: February 04, 2014, 02:56:45 PM
... so I am about to listen on Spotify (and am coincidentally listening to their Nerdist interview right now). Looking forward to it.

I inadvertently lied: Spotify doesn't have it. I apologize for misleading all you kind people. (I'll sample the tunes on iTunes and make a decision whether to buy I guess.)
64  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: February 04, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
Jeremy Messersmith's Heart Murmurs. Haven't listened yet but soon will, and am pretty excited.
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: February 04, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
After the Disco, the new album by Broken Bells came out today.  Check it out, it's amazing.

I'm a Shins fan (mostly) and have liked some of what Danger Mouse did, but didn't really like the first Broken Bells album. However, I liked what I heard this morning during a radio interview on my drive to work, so I am about to listen on Spotify (and am coincidentally listening to their Nerdist interview right now). Looking forward to it.
66  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New demo: No Substitute on: February 03, 2014, 04:52:36 PM
Thanks rab2591, I appreciate that.
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: February 03, 2014, 04:34:10 PM
I was really excited when Jonny was announced, but I have to say I was disappointed in that. I preferred some of the previous Euros Childs much more. Oh well, such is life.
68  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New demo: No Substitute on: February 03, 2014, 04:31:45 PM
Thanks, RangeRoverA1, I appreciate the nice words. And I agree about short tunes: as you may have noticed, my sweet spot is usually right in the 2:30 range ... maybe even shorter. I'm not one to beat a dead horse or ask too much of a listener.

What I'm imagining for eventual instrumentation is pounding drums (more toms than snares and cymbals), an agile bass line, two electric guitars, maybe slightly overdriven or maybe just LOUD, and an organ that sounds like it might bust any second. Then, atop that, the relatively sweet vocals that I theoretically will put down. Ideally they'd all be in tune when I get to that point, unlike the sloppy and out-of-tune sustained "nooooooo" of the "no substitute" part. And I'd try harder to cover my lisp.
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: February 02, 2014, 07:14:34 PM
Some people still buy music? Shocked

I would hope everyone who listens does, whether in a physical or digital format. Otherwise s/he is an asshole (and a thief). Most musicians need the money, and all of them deserve it (if you're going to listen to them).

Just joking. Geez! Sorry you took it so personally.

Didn't take it personally at all. Just responding with my opinion.
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Today's Mainstream Music on: February 02, 2014, 06:38:37 PM
Both Janelle Monae and Bruno Mars are fantastic. While both have retro influences, neither has to be "a new" or "the next" anyone; they couldn't be, and they shouldn't be. It's bad for music and for them if they try to be, for that matter.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: February 02, 2014, 11:59:11 AM
Some people still buy music? Shocked

I would hope everyone who listens does, whether in a physical or digital format. Otherwise s/he is an asshole (and a thief). Most musicians need the money, and all of them deserve it (if you're going to listen to them).
72  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: \ on: February 02, 2014, 11:41:25 AM
NY Times says heroin overdose.

Quote
Investigators found a syringe in his arm and an envelope containing what is believed to be heroin, the official said.

“It’s pretty apparent that it was an overdose,” the official said. “The syringe was in his arm.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/03/movies/philip-seymour-hoffman-actor-dies-at-46.html?hp
73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: \ on: February 02, 2014, 11:39:35 AM
This is the most surprising sad news I've had in a long time--worse even than Lou Reed for me, in that I knew he was ill. Philip Seymour Hoffman was one of two actors (along with John C Reilly) I make a point of seeing. His work with PT Anderson ranks among my favorite body of work by any actor, ever.
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / New demo: No Substitute on: February 02, 2014, 09:16:16 AM
Hello, me again. This morning I wrote and recorded a scratch/demo version of a new song, "No Substitute." Uptempo, poppy but in my mind (eventually, when I finish it) reminiscent instrumentally of VU. Vocal harmonies and such, obviously, because that's what I like. http://www.sendspace.com/file/7lcmoa
75  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Good and Evil on: February 01, 2014, 06:19:58 PM
This is an interesting and I serious, though I think unanswerable, topic, kind of like any religion or political philosophy thread. I'm not going to comment on the silliness or marketing around the words good and evil: I think that kind of nonsense is exactly what I called it, silliness and marketing. (It reminds me of the anti-rock evangelical fundamentalists of my 1980s youth, in my opinion more about booking speaking engagements, or in the converse, selling records, than anything else.) But here are my two cents on good and evil themselves.

I believe good and evil exist, but not as objective moral concepts. I believe they are slowly evolving products of human civilization. To be objective, I think there would have to be a law-giving god, in which I do not believe. (Even if there were such a god, we'd have the issue of which one, if any, is real, and how humans would know what its laws dictating good and evil were, in that we get often overlapping, but often different ideas of what constitutes good and evil as we canvas not only different religions, but different sects within religions.)

To be clear, I am not saying there is no evil. For example--to go straight to the big one, as any self-respecting Internetter would--the Holocaust is evil. But it isn't evil based on some supernatural order; rather, it is evil based on what humans jointly and overwhelmingly recognize as appropriate and inappropriate ways to live and treat others in order to participate in a civilized world.

So there you go, my thoughts on the matter.

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