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51  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Make It Good Appreciation Thread on: July 15, 2014, 08:00:49 PM
Thank you.
52  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Make It Good Appreciation Thread on: July 15, 2014, 07:18:31 PM
he's so sensitive and fragile he can't even hit the notes :*( the despair of love

So vocal range is dependent on sensitivity or fragility? Ha!
53  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Song: Be Okay on: July 15, 2014, 07:15:27 PM
You know what would be a fun game? Guessing what songs come from the heart vs. what were just "workshop efforts."
54  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 15, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
Rolling Stone ... also said the past that Brian had three albums worth of material and made is sound like it was all recorded, and that was over a year ago.

I never took that story to actually mean they had three albums worth of material, or that three albums were forthcoming, but rather that there was a lot of material that could be categorized into three distinct styles.

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[T]he record that Wilson started working on with longtime collaborator Joe Thomas almost immediately after wrapping up the Beach Boys' 50th-anniversary tour last fall has morphed into what could be three records: an album of new pop songs, recorded with his touring band and Beach Boys Al Jardine and David Marks (both of whom will also join Wilson at solo shows this Summer); a set of mostly instrumental new songs with an unlikely collaborator, British guitar legend Jeff Beck (who may also appear on the Wilson solo album); and a complex, melancholy group of interwoven tracks he calls "the suite," created in the modular style of SMiLE, and dealing with loss, vulnerability and hope as Wilson approaches the final chapter of his career. ... Over a lunch of takeout chicken tacos, Wilson plays back a dozen unfinished songs, including an unnamed Motown-like organ jam; the lush pop tracks "Right Time" (featuring a superb Jardine vocal) and "Guess You Had To Be There," which recounts wild nights in the 1960s at the L.A. club the Troubador; and a heavy jam with Beck called "Metropolis" that sounds like prof surf music.

The most exciting track features Beck picking a 12-string electric guitar over a haunting "ooh-na-na" vocal line from Jardine, bathed in layers of Wilson's vocal harmonies. It may be the spookiest song he's ever recorded.
http://www.brianwilson.com/news/2013/6/20/brian-wilson-rocks-with-jeff-beck-plans-new-lps

It's clear that music is unfinished at that point. It could optimistically be taken to mean there are three albums, but I don't think that's the only, or even the most reasonable, reading of the full piece. Yes, it's optimistic (as one might expect from the guy writing Brian's autobiography), but that's the case with pretty much every Brian-album leak. Read the Paley sessions work, and there is talk of it being as good as anything he's ever done, great album(s) coming soon! Some of that is just the way it is...

The article itself says Brian has a lot of songs, that there are three types (yes, that the writer says could end up three albums), and that there are at least a dozen unfinished songs he hears. The item after the Oxford comma probably should take precedence.
55  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: National Basketball Association ('14-'15) on: July 15, 2014, 02:13:01 PM
Rubio wants a 5 year max deal? You've gotta be kidding me.

Well so does everybody else on earth, don't they?  Grin But I don't think that's where he'll end up because nobody in the league will give him that. That said, while much of the press at least was down on him last year, I think he's fabulous and far, far more valuable than the average fan or writer might think. Yes, advanced metrics weren't kind to him, but I think those are just a part of any picture. I'm not so old-school as to discount them, but also not so caught up in The Big New Thing as to abandon my basketball eyes. There aren't five PGs in the league I'd rather have than Rubio, and I'm not saying that from an entertainment value standpoint. (If I were there might not be three.) His leadership skills, his work ethic, his size, his comprehension of basketball, all fabulous. His shooting is coming along, but more importantly, his understanding of how and when he can score has really grown, especially the latter half of last year.

If you said the Wolves could keep Love or keep Rubio, but not both, I'd keep Rubio. No question.
56  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: The \ on: July 15, 2014, 10:55:16 AM
Luluc, Passerby. (Wrote about it a little in the new releases thread.)
57  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2014 New Releases on: July 15, 2014, 08:49:29 AM
Looking for something exciting this summer, something to really capture the wildness of rock 'n' roll while the days are long and hot? This, my friends, is not the album for you.

Luluc's Passerby is understated and subtly beautiful, wholly inappropriate for the season but wonderful nonetheless. It's not the music leading up to the first encounter, but the music during or after, comfortable, contemplative, languorous. It's the autumn Sunday morning with coffee and a blanket to ward off the chilly breeze coming through your open window. In fact, it's one of the best couple of albums I've heard this year. Does Australian folk get any better? I have no idea, I've never heard Australian folk as far as I know. But I know I love this.

Zoe Randell handles most of the lead vocals, with Steve Hassett singing harmonies. The arrangements are soft and guitar-based, either acoustic or soft, mostly clean electrics. There are strings, horns, reed, keyboards, and percussion, but they sneak up on you. If anyone asked, you might say it's just an acoustic-and-vocal record. It gives that impression, almost the way Nick Drake's records might.

"Without a Face" is as good a representative of the album as any--ok, largely because it's on youtube--and you can hear it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQetpSkYnA8

But I'm especially partial to "Reverie on Norfolk Street" and "Tangled Heart."

The entire album, just out today on SubPop, is good. I bought it.
58  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad Vibrations: Who is your least favorite Beach Boy? on: July 15, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
I'm not saying the guys weren't interested in doing what they did, or that they were faking it. I'm just saying it isn't necessarily what they did naturally, or what they did best.

I can only wonder what would've happened if they had continued making music in the 'hippy' vein past Holland

Considering the hippie thing was a passing fad, I guess they'd have gotten just as passe as they did with surfing and car music. (At least their nostalgia thing got popular again by the mid- to late 70s.) Hippies grew up, got jobs, voted Reagan, and listened to shitty, shiny cheese. (OK, dramatic judgmental over-generalization ends here.)
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bad Vibrations: Who is your least favorite Beach Boy? on: July 15, 2014, 07:23:06 AM
I know this isn't the point of the thread and I'm not going to pick a least favorite Beach Boy--I just don't think it matters one way or the other, to say nothing of the distastefulness of ranking people in the same way we might rank songs--but I wanted to chime in that I think I see where Gabo is coming from, even if I don't quite agree completely.

The Beach Boys needed a change in the early '70s if they were going to continue to exist, to sell records, etc. They were floundering commercially, I think that much is clear. And to some extent, the direction they went did work. They played hipper gigs, had a hipper look and sound, and had Holland, which was something of a relative success. (The real commercial success came with Endless Summer, but that's not the point of my post.) However, the way they pushed forward was by becoming imitators of the times and of their surroundings. They took on, somewhat artificially feeling to my eyes and ears, the trappings of what was happening in the scene. (It's not unlike 85 in that respect.)

And even their "maturity" sounds silly to me, mostly because it wasn't silly (if that makes sense). When they do "Take Good Care of Your Feet," I believe them. When they do "HELP Is on the Way," I believe them. When I hear "Beaks of Eagles," I cringe a little. This band is for the most part not great with deep sentiments, and they are least successful with them when they reach for them. Their greatest depths come when they're just sticking to what they know without trying to sound important. The seriousness of (most of) Holland is its undoing, along with its musical trend-hopping.

I'm not saying the guys weren't interested in doing what they did, or that they were faking it. I'm just saying it isn't necessarily what they did naturally, or what they did best.

(If memory serves, I've written and felt almost the exact opposite of this post before, so take it for what it's worth. By my accounting, it's worth about $15. Give me $15. Thank you.)
60  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 15, 2014, 06:25:29 AM

2. Zooey is an actress, and a singer


And a songwriter.
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Song: Be Okay on: July 15, 2014, 06:22:03 AM
ditch the dummy lyrics write something profound + meaningful  Razz  Afro  3D  police
Haha, tough crowd! I think this wasn't bad for a total of a little over two hours' work (across the two mornings)! Sometimes you just have to fill out the syllables...
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Song: Be Okay on: July 14, 2014, 05:41:30 PM
Thanks, EoL. I appreciate that.
63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 14, 2014, 04:46:21 PM
I know, difference of opinion and all, but...

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Zooey really can't sing the way real singers are expected to. Her voice is weak. She can carry a tune, but she can't belt and she has no range at all. She can sing maybe one octave if she's lucky.  It's all the same alto croon. Both she and John get by on their big blue eyes. If they weren't physically attractive, they wouldn't have careers.

'Real ' singers don't all have to have 8 octave ranges and be loud enough to sink a boat. Just because she is not a belter doesn't mean she can't sing. By your criteria, that means Frank Sinatra was a weak singer, too, if we go by belting=singing. Not every 'real' singer relies on power...many rely on technique as well. Not trying to call you out that much on that, as again it is your own opinion, but one of my biggest pet peeves is oversinging, where someone hits about 50 runs in a row and is all over the place. I prefer my singers to be in tune first :/

There's also the matter of effective as a singer, what I consider being convincing--basically acting. (Or honest; it doesn't matter to me which it is.) Lou Reed, Bob Dylan, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen: these are great singers. Clearly, none was ever the kind of "real singer" considered by the poster who is quoted above, but they all are great singers nonetheless.

I don't think of Zooey as anywhere near that league, and I agree that her voice isn't especially strong in the traditional sense either. But she is convincingly cute, playful, appealing. No gravitas, not much power, not a lot of range, but charm is every bit as valuable a quality in a voice. So while she may not be the most versatile, she's good enough in her little niche.
64  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 14, 2014, 02:54:07 PM

Kokomo is in that rare camp amongst songs like Who Let The Dogs Out, Tubthumping, Closing Time, and countless other one hit wonder 90's bands who's songs were fortunate enough to be get into rotation on MTV or the radio, and just drilled themselves deep into people's hearts and minds with such tenacity that the only logical human reaction after a point was to revolt ....... but then someone would say "But when it comes down to it, it REALLY is a good little tune" ....... Well, other than Who Let The Dogs Out.

Semisonic had at least one other hit beyond "Closing Time," with "Singing In My Sleep" reaching #11 in the U.S. in 1998. You'll likely recall the refrain (if you were listening to music in those days--I don't know how old you are).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhS3YP04Fjk&feature=kp

And Dan Wilson, their primary songwriter, of course has quite a few more hits: Adele, Dixie Chicks, etc. So he's hardly a one-hit wonder.

(Sorry, I'm sensitive about my hometown guys. Oh, except that I mocked Prince a few posts ago...)
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: John Lennon on: July 14, 2014, 02:46:57 PM
Of course most people on a Beach Boys forum are going to like McCartney more than Lennon...

I guess I didn't tally it up, but I think this thread shows the opposite. Seems more Lennon backers.

But like you, I like them both. And obviously it's not necessary to choose one any more than it is necessary to choose one band over another. There's plenty of time to listen to and love plenty of things. At least hopefully there's plenty of time (I guess one never knows).
66  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 14, 2014, 12:21:05 PM
Who knows, maybe Brian & Zooey's "Island Fever" will do the trick.
Considering Zooey hasn't ever had anything resembling a mainstream hit, I wouldn't bet on her for that kind of boost. I mean, it'd be nice, but it seems pretty unlikely.
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: John Lennon on: July 14, 2014, 12:16:36 PM
pauls songs lack uniqueness that johns have. he has more filler than anyone whose name is not rod stewart.

I'd say the exact opposite on both counts.
68  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: John Lennon on: July 14, 2014, 11:32:02 AM
If you guys are fans of melodies, you should really check out this guy named Paul McCartney.

Paul who?

Actually as would surprise nobody who has heard my songs or knows my taste, Paul is far and away my choice for greatest Beatle.
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Best Live Albums Ever! on: July 14, 2014, 11:29:09 AM
Tricky thing with Zappa is they several albums were recorded live or contained some live performances but don't scream out "Live album"

Well, the thing with Zappa is that he liked to overdub. He would keep the bass and drums and then replace everything else in the studio.

He's all over the map, really. With albums he advertised as live, he also boasted the absence of any overdubbing (though sometimes/often he spliced together different performances even within the same song).

However on albums not necessarily marketed as live, live recordings regularly formed a bed for studio work atop it, often making entirely new songs. This seems to be how he did most of his non-orchestral, non-Synclavier albums from the 80s onward.
70  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: *Merged* Brian Wilson current album thread on: July 14, 2014, 08:45:36 AM
However, I'm unaware if Prince has done any work with John Stamos yet.

He sticks to top talent like Kim Basinger and Carmen Electra.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Song: Be Okay on: July 14, 2014, 04:56:43 AM
Other chords:

Intro:
D ' E/D '  / (3x) /  E7 ' ' '

Verse:
A ' ' ' / D ' / F#-7 ' / B-7 ' ' ' / E7 ' ' ' / (2x)

Refrain:
B ' F#/A# ' / E/G# ' G#-7 ' / F# ' ' ' / ' ' ' ' / ((2x)
D#-7 ' ' ' / G#-7 ' ' ' / E-7 ' ' ' /

(Bridge printed above)
72  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / Smiley Smilers Who Make Music / Re: New Song: Be Okay on: July 13, 2014, 08:35:51 PM
Just bridge.
73  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Make It Good Appreciation Thread on: July 13, 2014, 07:52:01 PM
Back to the gruff voice thing, I meant to go further than I did before. I think it works better in character than it does in earnest. Sometimes the character is earnest, which works. But for example, if Waits is growling some absurd note, it's inevitably in the character of some down-and-out, sympathetic protagonist. It's more acting than singing. When someone who is primarily singing sings that way, it's not so effective. And, as I initially alluded to without quite saying, I think that's something often taken as sincerity, when in reality, a lot of guys just have gruff voices. They aren't any more sincere or emotional than clear-toned singers. And when they miss their notes, it isn't any more touching than when clear-toned singers miss notes.

For a character to fail is tragedy in a good way. For a singer to fail is tragedy in a bad way.

In "Make It Good," I just think Dennis should have used the stronger voices available to him in parts. But as I said, I actually more or less like it as-is.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Make It Good Appreciation Thread on: July 13, 2014, 07:36:12 PM
Anyone wanting to create or participate in message board drama is pathetic and needs an offline life. I'm sure Mikie and I can disagree without "drama."
75  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Make It Good Appreciation Thread on: July 13, 2014, 07:24:51 PM
I'm not one for the dragging out of pop songs, and sometimes (for my taste), Dennis's go on a bit too long.

Yeah, and you probably dislike "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" too because it drags on too long.

I just flat out disagree.

This is just lovely: I compliment something for NOT doing something I don't like, and I'm criticized anyway, with wholly unrelated topics brought in. Cute. Anyway, yes, I am not especially fond of the final minute of WIBNTLA, though the vocal bit is cool: I'd have liked a tighter arrangement.
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