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51  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
Anyone who considers him- or herself a conservative and is leaning toward Trump, I'd recommend reading the essays printed by the National Review leading conservative thinkers (and yes, this being America, "personalities") from various strands of conservatism. One after the other, each outlines why Trump is not a good candidate for the presidency for conservatives.

https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/430412/conservatives-against-trump

The issue was already dismissed by the candidate because it has very low readership these days, which is a little like dismissing Aretha Franklin because Taylor Swift sells more records. (It also speaks to how he's more a populist--if an erratic one--than a conservative.)

52  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 09:48:50 AM
Yeah, I'm a guy. I get why people are offended by some words and I don't go into some rant about being PC or anything if they are. I just have a different position on their use than a lot of people. But I'll agree not to derail the thread.
53  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 09:35:07 AM
I think win or lose Trump has changed the way campaigns are run, and his methods will be studied and emulated for many years after this

Be rich.

Be famous.

Be asshole.

Say nothing substantive.

Winning formula. god bless america or whatever. We deserve what we get.
54  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
Sorry, but anybody who is not as equally if not more scared of a Hillary Clinton presidency than they are a Trump presidency is a complete focking moron. Literally one of the most ignorant stupid doo doo dumb people who has ever lived.

Zero respect for anybody who is planning on voting for that wretched excuse for a politician who is Bill Clinton's wife.

Completely ignoring Benghazi and her email scandal, which by the way she 100% absolutely deserves to be indicted for, she has done literally NOTHING. NOTHING Yes, NOTHING, to make this country and this world a better place.


They would impeach Donald Trump in a second if he did something out of line. Hillary Clinton has hundreds of FBI/CIA/whatever else government agents investigating her actions right now, and there are  idiot mother fockers with their heads all the way up to their nipples inside of their anuses that think that c-u-nt of a woman would make a better president than Donald Trump.


You would think most idiot Democrats MUST have noticed that the country under Barrack Obama is under than same path that it was under when George W. Bush was president. Hillary Clinton is just more of the same. Spiraling national debt, unrest in the Middle East, being forced to pay for-profit insurance companies our hard-earned money in the name of "healthcare".


This country is on a collision course with a pile of crap, and the speed at which it is headed there is increasing every day.


Donald Trump went from millions of dollars to billions. And Hillary went from, what? Staying with her husband who cheated on her dozens of times? Never sent an email with "classified" information, but doesn't have the intelligence to discern when something is "classified + 10"?


Anybody know countries that will accept political refugees with the dumb mo'fos elect the horrible, worthless human being known as Hillary Clinton as supreme leader of the free world? I would rather see this country burn from the outside than have to be a part of it.


ANYBODY BUT HILLARY IN 2016.

Don't be an idiot. This doesn't need to be the first "woman" president, just like the last few elections didn't need to be the first "black" president. You people are ruining the country way faster than the ignorants that are going to vote for Donald Trump....

At least one word you used is certainly against board rules and very offensive to me.

None of the words offended me--I'm tough to offend--but I guess that pretty well summed up how a Trump voter thinks and writes.
55  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last Great/Decent Brian Vocal on: February 03, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
Now is he what he was when he was in his twenties? No, absolutely not. Nobody is. Not even Al, as his voice has coarsened a bit since the sixties despite what we all say.

Thanks for telling the truth. (Except for that "we all" part, as there are exceptions. Or at least exception. Yours truly. So this makes two of us.) Al's voice has held up beautifully, no doubt about it. He still sounds FANTASTIC. Far and away the best of the Beach Boys in that respect. But his voice isn't exactly what it was in earlier decades. He struggles on the higher notes, just as you'd expect. I'm amazed that some people seem to think hyperbole is required to give credit where it's due. It's not an insult to the guy to tell the truth: that while his voice is great for a man his age, and while it's better than most or all of his contemporaries' voices, it is still diminished somewhat.
56  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Cover songs better than their original on: February 03, 2016, 08:27:31 AM
I agree that most Top 40 is indeed as you describe it. But I wouldn't call most of it earworms, either. Most is entirely forgettable, which is the opposite of an earworm.

As for the disagreement, that's fine by me. I need not be agreed with ... JUST FEARED AND OBEYED! (OK, I don't need those things either.)
57  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 08:06:41 AM
I will agree that the POTUS shouldn't be elected on charisma or emotions, especially based on the current President. 

Wise liberals would agree with that. Naieve ones voted for him believing he'd solve racial problems, end wars, etc. But he was--and ran as--a centrist Democrat. Which is what he's been, more or less. Increases in drone attacks, ongoing overseas adventurism/empire building, Guantanamo still open. The aforementioned deportations. Many civil rights groups upset about his relative silence on racial issues (even as many on the right or many whites think he's been too divisive on those same issues--a classic example of not being able to please anyone with centrism). Filling his cabinet with the typical Goldman Sachs types. On and on.

But "HOPE" posters meant whatever voters wanted them to mean.

A really, really, really important thing to keep in mind is that putting too much faith in, or expectations on, the president is absurd. His powers are far from total, which is as it should be. The last thing we need is a stronger executive: therein lies the path to real fascism.

What we need is a more engaged population, first and foremost. MOST of the blame for our f***ed-up political system lies with citizens. Then comes the filthy relationship between the perverse parties, big-money lobbying and campaign funding, a ratings-and-ad-dollars hungry tabloid media, corporate domination of our lives, and of course the weak lapdogs we elect to Congress.
58  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Cover songs better than their original on: February 03, 2016, 07:59:48 AM
Actually I think Ryan Adams's 2015 cover of Taylor Swift's 1989 is pretty good, start to finish, if you're interested in a sort of roots-rock meets Nebraska sound. Swift is a talented writer. I didn't care for the production style of her version of 1989--to me, that synth-driven '80s sound was annoying then and more so now--but the songs are good.

I've heard bits of pieces, but I'm not really a fan of Ryan Adams either. 

Plus, I think certain songs can't be fixed.  IMO, Swift has written a couple of those ie. Bad Blood and Shake It Off.  Nothing more than earworms. 

I remember a few years ago, Alanis Morrisette jokingly released a piano ballad version of Black Eyed Peas "My Humps."  That was pretty amusing. 

I'm not an Adams fan generally, either. In fact, not at all. This is the only album of his I've ever bought and liked. I agree with most everything else you've said except the specific examples (e.g., some songs can't be fixed). But I also don't think earworms should be discredited, either. A little dessert can be worked into a well-balanced diet.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Last Great/Decent Brian Vocal on: February 03, 2016, 07:39:08 AM
I find his vocals from recent decades to be borderline unlistenable. But this is not the thread to discuss that.


Seems to me this is exactly the thread to discuss that, if we're offering opinions on Brian's last great or decent vocals. My overall opinion is right there with Cyncie's: Brian's vocals aren't great in the same way they were in the '60s (obviously), but they sometimes reach greatness in other ways. It's a different instrument than it was 50 years ago. While I would not argue the new one is as good as (much less better than) the old one, it still is capable of great performances when the material and arrangements suit it.

The falsetto doesn't sound remotely as good, the slurring can be off-putting, especially on wordier lyrics. (The spoken bits on TLOS drive me crazy.) But "Midnight's Another Day" was lovely. Plenty of the Disney album was good. The Gershwin album had some really good vocals. Parts of NPP were good. So I don't think you have to go back very far at all, especially to find the "decent" half of "great/decent."
60  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Cover songs better than their original on: February 03, 2016, 07:23:22 AM
Actually I think Ryan Adams's 2015 cover of Taylor Swift's 1989 is pretty good, start to finish, if you're interested in a sort of roots-rock meets Nebraska sound. Swift is a talented writer. I didn't care for the production style of her version of 1989--to me, that synth-driven '80s sound was annoying then and more so now--but the songs are good.
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 07:16:22 AM
No Democrat who holds traditionally Democratic positions is going to jump ship to vote for Trump or any other Republican candidate. It's not to say that phenomenon can't or doesn't happen--historically we have had plenty of candidates of either party who were centrist enough to pull from the other side. The past decade or so has seen that disappear, and more so on the right than the alleged left.

There are self-identified Democrats who support Trump. But every poll I've seen shows them to be aging, white, uneducated voters. They're exactly the demographic that fits into the part of the country that is most vulnerable to the fascist-style ravings we hear too often: angry and/or scared that the country is changing, passing them by. Some of their complaints are legitimate, some aren't, but voting for a clown--pretty much literally a clown--isn't about to help, especially since he hasn't outlined a single position or plan that makes any sense whatsoever.

People should not let themselves be governed by emotions, by passions. It works for politicians, sure, but it doesn't work for the people. Use your minds, people. Charisma isn't a reason to vote for or against someone. Its only political value is in building consensus--and Trump's charisma has been specifically employed to do the opposite.
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 03, 2016, 07:04:03 AM
Trump doesn't speak truth. Trump speaks applause lines. They change as the audience changes, hence his ability to switch his positions for convenience--an awfully political move for a purported non-politician. (If one runs for president, one is a politician.)

The problem isn't what a position might be on this or that issue. He could be opposed to immigration and not say racist things. But he says racist things. See the difference? "They send us their rapists?" Really? The Mexican government rounds up rapists and ships them to the USA? That's idiotic. (By the way, more Mexicans are leaving America for Mexico the past few years, but let's not worry about reality. There are more people patrolling the border under Obama than before him, but let's not worry about reality. There are more deportations by Obama than before him, but let's not worry about reality.) There is an impression (mostly among aging, low-income, low-education whites) of evil, job-stealing, crime-committing Mexicans taking away their country, what, with the signs that have Spanish written right there along with God's own American English!? What's the world coming to, I don't want to have to "Press One For English, Press Two For Spanish"!

Trump speaks nonsense to confused people, scared people, and angry people. But he inflames it by giving a false sense of security. He aggravates the problems, he doesn't solve them. He hasn't said a single sensible thing that could possibly happen to solve any issue. At all. Not one. His proposals are mostly making Mexico pay for a wall (to keep the Mexicans in, and the central Americans out?), which is idiotic, and beyond that? Uh, making deals, apparently. Never mind what, how, why, to what end. It'll just happen "and a lot of very smart people like my plans. You're going to love it." You wouldn't buy a car from someone who spoke that way, but you'll vote him in as president? It's absurd on its face!

Political correctness may be stupid sometimes, but it's not high on the list of things that are wrong with this country. And regardless of political correctness, there is a difference between it and common decency. Courtesy. Restraint. Tact. Class. Trump has none of these. Leaders do not speak angrily, inflammatorily (which may be a made-up word...), rudely. They don't browbeat. What's more, the very definition of political correctness is restraint of speech, right? It's saying one should use or avoid this or that word, phrase, etc. Trump--the enemy of such restrictions--consistently calls for what amounts to censorship of everyone who contradicts him. Such-and-such reporter should be fired! So-and-so must be taken off the air! That's just his own version of political correctness.

I don't expect much from our candidates. They almost all almost always find new ways to disappoint and underwhelm. But this is the worst of my lifetime. And I lived through a Ventura governorship.

63  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: February 02, 2016, 03:26:09 PM
Easy there rockwhiler. LOL

You just earned yourself a "small-minded twit #6."
64  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Anyone in the US worried about a Trump presidency? on: February 01, 2016, 04:23:28 PM
If he were elected, I'd be tremendously ashamed that such a significant part of our population was that foolish, letting anger over status quo, the direction of the country, (the moronic idea of the grave dangers of) political correctness influence them to vote for that joke. We would be the laughingstock of the world. It would be an unprecedented low for the American presidency, and it would not even be close. He's uniquely unqualified as a candidate.

Hopefully it would serve as a warning to the parties to reverse their race to the furthest reaches of meme-ism and sound bites and showmanship and at least try to get something useful done occasionally, in between their fundraising efforts. (And thank goodness the presidency has limited power. Unfortunately it doesn't have limited audience.) Maybe they could disconnect "the button" and the phones and just let the blowhard rant and rave into non-working cameras and push red buttons that don't do anything.

He represents the worst of America in virtually every respect.
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2016 New Music on: January 31, 2016, 08:00:13 PM
You can get Rihanna's new album for free if that's your thing: http://rihanna.tidal.com/redeem/?voucher=ANTI

I signed up as Jeffrey Dahmer.

I missed the free download, but just started checking the samples on iTunes. Right off the bat, I thought track one ("Consideration") sounded cool. Have you listened yet? Thoughts? I'll check Spotify and see if it's there yet. I'm thinking I'll end up getting at least a few tracks. Historically I'm not a big Rihanna fan, but she has her moments. I'd love for this to be a good album (because frankly I'd love for every album to be a good album).

I'm going to answer my own question. It's a good album!

I think about 1/4 of this album is really good. Most of what's left isn't awful, just unremarkable. A lot of musical ground covered.
66  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums You Tried Really Hard to Like on: January 30, 2016, 02:27:27 PM
I agree with john k.

My advice for people who don't like and are trying to "get" Trout Mask is, stop it. Don't think about it. If you just listen the way you would a blues album, it almost all makes sense. Don't worry that this guitar and that guitar are in different time signatures. Don't worry that it's a three-, not a four-, phrase line or whatever. Just don't worry about it. Just listen to it.

And of course if you're into wordplay, I think Beefheart has TONS to offer there. One of the more clever, funny, lyricists we've had.

All of that, of course, is subject to taste. If at some point you still don't like it, don't sweat it and stop trying. Why waste your life re-trying things you don't like?
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Campaign 2016 on: January 30, 2016, 01:19:21 PM
Reagan didn't make the direct leap of celebrity to presidential candidate, though. He got involved in politics as a corporate speaker, then obviously was a two-term governor in California.

A Trump presidency would be unprecedented, unless I'm mistaken: he'd be the only president ever to have no previous political or military experience. Hopefully Americans aren't stupid enough to vote for him.
68  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2016 Tour Thread (Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour) on: January 30, 2016, 10:24:20 AM
I will be attending the May 1st show in London with my father. He has never heard any BW material live. It's gonna be a blast. Maybe we run into some SmileySmiler or other there. Smiley

If you turn up on May first, you're in for quite a wait.  Smiley

However, if you mean the 21st, I'd be delighted to make your acquaintance.
Typo corrected!

I'll keep that in mind!

Hey now, that hits close to home. While I am known (and mocked) for my punctuality by friends, I once surprised and REALLY annoyed them by getting us to a Prince concert about 25 hours early...
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2016 New Music on: January 29, 2016, 05:57:01 PM
You can get Rihanna's new album for free if that's your thing: http://rihanna.tidal.com/redeem/?voucher=ANTI

I signed up as Jeffrey Dahmer.

I missed the free download, but just started checking the samples on iTunes. Right off the bat, I thought track one ("Consideration") sounded cool. Have you listened yet? Thoughts? I'll check Spotify and see if it's there yet. I'm thinking I'll end up getting at least a few tracks. Historically I'm not a big Rihanna fan, but she has her moments. I'd love for this to be a good album (because frankly I'd love for every album to be a good album).

I'm going to answer my own question. It's a good album!
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2016 New Music on: January 29, 2016, 04:36:34 PM
That's amazing. I couldn't name 13 of her songs.

That said, my download of the new album is in progress, as I enjoyed enough of the previews that it seemed worthwhile.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums You Tried Really Hard to Like on: January 29, 2016, 04:35:40 PM
Ovi mentioned Dylan; the last four Dylan albums were very...trying. I liked Modern Times, but the next four - Together Through Life, Christmas In The Heart, Tempest, and Shadows In The Night were not of my liking. I didn't even buy Shadows Of The Night (though I heard it). To compound things, Dylan performs several of his new album cuts in concert, so, consequently, I kind of avoided his shows after seeing him every year for a few years. I'm glad Bob is still producing new albums, and I WANT to like them, but...

I LOVED Modern Times. And after liking Time Out of Mind and really, really, really loving Love And Theft (which I think is among the best 5-10 Dylan albums ever), I really expected we'd have some sort of brilliant end-of-career run. But I almost agree with you, SJS. I was OK with Together Through Life, finding a few great songs and ... more songs. Christmas? Meh. I'm not into it in general, though it was sort of fun, I guess. And this past year, I found things to like in the standards album, but I certainly didn't go back to it as the year went on. Instead I found myself gravitating toward Joanna Newsom, Vince Staples, Kendrick Lamar, Grimes. I just stopped listening to it after a couple early-year (enjoying) listens.
72  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rocky Pamplin book about The Beach Boys? on: January 29, 2016, 04:32:04 PM
If Rocky was a dog, which kind would he be?

Same as any other: illiterate and stupid.
73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums You Tried Really Hard to Like on: January 29, 2016, 11:23:22 AM

With the exception of Pacific Ocean Blue and Youngblood, ALL of The Beach Boys' solo albums. But that's for a different thread, I think...

(Or not; sometimes the general music forum is the place to avoid most of the lunacy...) I actually feel this way about POB, as you may know by now. (It occurs to me how long I've been talking to some of you!) It's not like I want to be some outsider on this. As I said in the 2016 thread, I want to like every album, ideally. I wish they were all great. There's no satisfaction in disliking something. It's easy. But POB ... I don't really like it. I think it's really solid, sure. It sounds good, it's not as if it were in any way incompetent or anything. Just doesn't touch me much at all. Sometimes I really like this or that song, but a lot of the time it's like one or two long songs to me. Just dull. No emotional connection at all.
74  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: What if.... on: January 29, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
it's interesting when you say 'what material exactly?' That is part of what makes me wonder what we would get, just him on his own. In that Rolling Stone article of last(?) year, Brian seemed pretty content heading to the Deli and walking in the park, which was great to hear. So if he came home in the afternoon and knocked off tunes about dog walkers and sandwiches, would we get another Love You?

Maybe. Or maybe we'd get crap. The man isn't anything but a man; some of his material isn't very good. (Some is the best of its kind. Most is in between.) He might have ideas, he might not. He might feel inspired, he might not. He might have old, half-baked tunes that he feels like finishing (either brilliantly or half-heartedly). There isn't a way to get there. You just get where you get. But while you would inevitably get more of the "naked Brian" by removing collaborators, that might not be for the best. Interesting, sure. Quality? You can't say until it's done.
75  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Albums You Tried Really Hard to Like on: January 29, 2016, 10:17:39 AM
Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco

Widely considered to be one of the best albums of the 21st Century, liked by all sort of people whose tastes I respect and admire. I would love to love this album and maybe some day I will. But so far, after repeated listens, it hasn't worked its magic on me.

I think it's a good album, but not a great one, and frankly is probably better loved because of its back-story than anything else. Wilco has had three or four better albums, if you ask me. Did you ask me? Dangit, you didn't ask me!
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