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51  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board on: December 29, 2016, 08:06:02 AM
I enjoy posting with some people, so I post here. Same as elsewhere, where I also enjoy a few, can't stand a few, and am ambivalent about most. I'm sorry you're so annoyed by me; I don't recall directing any particular animus your way, certainly not before this thread, when I found out I'm apparently not welcome in some circles. It got harder to like you when you once I was targeted. But otherwise I've got nothing against you, and so again, am really sorry you're so annoyed or offended by, or angry toward, me.

If my posting has warranted a ban, I'll accept that. It's fine.
52  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board on: December 29, 2016, 07:51:29 AM
No, I know exactly what I'm talking about.

I have no idea what you are talking about when you go on your "check the facts, the truth will come out, there were those trying behind the scenes to do what-the-f***-ever" nonsense. Or not nonsense, maybe there is some underground resistance force with unbelievably stupid motivations and too much time on their hands trying to overthrow the message board leadership and undermine its good name. If so, I don't care because that's really stupid. And so is talking about it all the time. And so is banning a general topic in a subforum of a message board because somebody feels the need to post about it elsewhere in controversial ways.

Just say what you mean. Just do what you're going to do with the board. But cut the melodramatic bullshit.
53  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 Voldermort Administration on: December 29, 2016, 07:40:18 AM
So Trump gets converted to a fantasy movie villain name? We can't say the name of the president of the United States? That's fucking idiotic.
54  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board on: December 29, 2016, 07:26:49 AM
Or ignore the players and skip the game, because it's not a game. Or a mystery, or a conspiracy, or a crime drama. It's a message board. For f***'s sake. It doesn't always have to relate to some stupid coup attempts or whatever you're always talking about.
55  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 05:11:24 PM
For f***'s sake, we're (or at least I'm) talking about posts mostly in a single thread in a single subforum: if it hurts everyone's sensitive little eyes and minds, I'm not sure what to say beyond what I've said before. I hope nobody offends your precious sensibilities in real life.

I was responding to Billy, as obviously he was sick enough of the political bullshit to leave a forum he moderates for a fucking month (as he doesn't have the luxury of ignoring the Sandbox full-time because he has to moderate the place). I'm sorry my precious sensitivities are bothering your precious sensitivities. As I said, case closed...Billy is allowing the discussion of Donald J Trump in what he considers the proper sub-forum to do so in. If you don't like my opinions on this subject, take your own advice and ignore them.

This thread has contained suggestions as to rule changes of the board. It isn't just people sharing opinions on assorted topics. If it were, I wouldn't care or post, as is the case with almost every thread on the board. But because there was talk that included suggesting the banning of some of the only things on the board I enjoy, I found it relevant to post my thoughts (to hopefully influence the outcome).

(And for the record, I was writing the post in question before Billy's last post. It was in response to your post that responded directly to me. The one about me being a dick. But now having read them all, who among us hasn't taken a hiatus from the board? Everyone gets sick of it now and again and takes a break. Whether Billy bailing, you bailing, or me bailing, it's just normal.)
56  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
For f***'s sake, we're (or at least I'm) talking about posts mostly in a single thread in a single subforum: if it hurts everyone's sensitive little eyes and minds, I'm not sure what to say beyond what I've said before. I hope nobody offends your precious sensibilities in real life.
57  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 2016 New Music on: December 28, 2016, 04:14:38 PM
Finally got Anderson .Paak's Malibu, almost a year after it came out. I'm really enjoying it and trying to figure out how to incorporate something from it into my inevitable, impending 2016 playlist.
58  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 04:13:25 PM
That's just it: however repetitive I find it, I realize my personal preferences don't matter. Of course the dialogue won't start and end with me. Of course other people's arcs aren't the same as mine. I don't expect that, and I don't begrudge them their experiences. But I'm one of many, many people who post a lot in non-BBs forums on this board, whether non-BBs music, Smiley Smilers Who Make Music, Sandbox, or whatever else. So why single out the (divisive) political topics? I'd guess most people here post non-BBs content. Why ghettoize the political stuff? Why talk about banning the political stuff? You could just as well ban palindromes or movies or country music discussion.

Your (apparent) discomfort with political discussion is irrelevant, just like my boredom with other topics is irrelevant. None of us individually matters in the slightest. We're not important. So why not let each of us go on his or her merry way, posting about whatever, as long as it doesn't disrupt the board? And I just don't think Sandbox political posts disrupt the board unless someone wants to take what's there and drag it elsewhere. And it's not on me if other people aren't capable of separating topics, or can't discuss Mike Love without discussing Donald Trump.

But don't conflate my arrogance with anything political, either. I'm an asshole regardless. I'm going to look down on people's posting regardless of whether it's about rating songs or talking Trump. That's just me. I'm a dick. Don't penalize people nicer than me for wanting to talk non-BBs just because I think 3/4 of the people here are idiots.
59  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bruce sings the lead on Cal Girls!!! on: December 28, 2016, 03:42:44 PM
The band was bad. Bruce was bad.
60  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 03:39:24 PM
rab2591, I will explain my own personal interest in continuing to post about non-BBs topics in a BBs forum. You can accept or reject it. I think I've said something similar in one of the other purported board meltdowns whose hysteria got ahead of its reality. But it was probably along these lines.

Basically, my interests are relatively wide. Beach Boys, yeah. Pop music in general, for sure. Jazz and "classical," yep. Cooking and eating. Gardening, a little. Books. Politics. Religion. But the thing is, I don't feel like joining 5-10 message boards. It's tedious. I came to BBs boards maybe 15 years ago and have come to know a handful of people here (or there). We have some shared experience in terms of our love of a band or two. That's great. But we all have diverse interests, and some of those, we have in common. So why not chat about those things in the nether regions of this board? Must we have different boards for every topic? Must the mods delete everything that gets out of bounds? Must people be banned over it? Is there actually any harm in contained off-topic discussions that are by no means mandatory or even intrusive? (I'm not saying the political threads in the BBs forum weren't intrusive: they were. But they weren't my doing, or Emily's, or CSM's, or FdP's, or Sinister Smile's, or TRBB's, or Bean Bag's, or KDS's, etc.)

If most people think it's so horrible that some of us talk about other things in their rightful places, so be it. I hope everyone can enjoy re-re-re-re-re-re-re-ranking the songs on each album, or considering whether maybe the newest interview about Brian's forthcoming rock 'n' roll album offers insights heretofore unknown, or how awesome it was that "Your Imagination" was played in the grocery store when someone was looking at parsley.
61  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 03:29:20 PM

A quick scan of the 2016 Lame Duck thread shows that you and Captain are nearly the only two consistently posting about Trump (and at a much higher rate than anyone else). So the interest lies with basically 2 people constantly agreeing with one another about nearly the same issue every day.

If it's troublesome that Emily and I agree often (which I'd actually want to argue, but I'll just go with it) while talking politics in the politics thread of the Sandbox, why not just not read that thread? (I don't think your characterization of our posts is fair, but whatever.) That's the part that makes no sense to me. I've not started a single political thread in a non-political forum of this board. I've posted in the ones that others started, but usually relatively briefly and not to stir controversy (e.g. Trump's inauguration and whether the BBs played it, where I said basically who gives a f***). There is a Sandbox dedicated to topics irrelevant to the Beach Boys or music. Why do you care who posts what there? If, as Billy suggested, political posting in BBs threads or the BBs forum is to be banned, what's the difference? I'm sorry that I appear to cause you so much grief. I can't imagine why you'd care at all.
62  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 11:57:19 AM
That was me. The reason for it was less about fear of it not fitting in around here or offending people, but that some of the people here who posted in those threads were really, really stupid and hard to ignore when they posted irrelevant or trollish crap. I never proceeded because it became obvious there wasn't sufficient interest to sustain a board. Why not use an existing forum with the small group of existing, interested people in a few threads in shadowy corners of the board? Seems that if someone doesn't want to talk politics, it would be easy for him or her to ignore the single thread going atm (in the Sandbox, no less) dedicated to it.
63  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
Might I suggest the that people who admit they rarely post in on-topic discussion (yet post incessantly in off-topic threads) find a forum where they would feel more at home to discuss politics on a daily basis.

Well, then.
64  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 10:00:58 AM
I can see where--and I agree--inserting Trump / politics into seemingly every thread is annoying. Seems like we've had 2-3 Beach Boys-and-Trump threads in the BBs forum, for example. And that does suck.

But I can't imagine how a couple of political threads in the sandbox could possibly be such a big deal, whether the topics there are diverse and the people interesting, or the topics and people repetitive. Most threads on this board strike me as repetitive, boring, and annoying, so I don't bother with them. I can't imagine why others wouldn't be able to do the same thing, again, assuming people keep things where they belong and don't insert [whatever] into every thread.

Anyway, mods, please let us know if you're banning political convos in the sandbox. I hope you don't.
65  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 1986 in Music on: December 28, 2016, 09:09:24 AM

For the switch to dance music, I wish Freddie had limited it to his solo material.  To me, there is stuff on Hot Space that, if not for Freddies vocals, I wouldnt even recognize as Queen. 

But back to the topic, I really enjoy A Kind Of Magic.  One track nobody ever mentions is Gimmie the Prize.  Queen channel a bit of Black Sabbath on that one.

The main way I can agree re Hot Space is the knowledge that Brian and Roger weren't into it. Not that I'd expect 100% enthusiasm from everyone on everything--in a band with multiple strong personalities and talents, that's not realistic--but in that case it was obvious. Since he was very soon doing solo stuff anyway, it would have made sense. Even if Deacon was on board for that material in his solo work, that would have been better from a marketing standpoint, probably. The Queen work around that time could have walked the line a bit more. They always put out albums of genre-crossing material, but with Hot Space it was almost uniformly dance-pop oriented, which made it an outlier not for what it contained, but from what it didn't contain.
66  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: My favourite singer on: December 28, 2016, 09:00:24 AM

Also forgot to mention ... Jeff Mangum

I was thinking that and failed to mention him as well. His intensity in particular is just enthralling.
67  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 Trump Administration on: December 28, 2016, 07:56:26 AM
To tack onto that thought, by the way, that's one thing I do fear about the coming government: when president, senate, house, and many states are so fully under one party's control, from whence do its mouthpieces find an oppressor? How can "we" be a victimized minority when we're a large majority in power? Well, I fear "we" can always find a "they," who will by definition be minority (considering the majority is in power). Somebody has to be blamed when the world still has problems, when (as anyone with any sense would know) the manufacturing jobs of the '40s-'70s don't come back, when a high school diploma still isn't sufficient to be employed, when salaries and benefits don't climb even though corporate taxes are cut or unions destroyed, when there are non-Christians or non-whites or non-whites expecting equality, when science continues to show that the world isn't 5,000 years old and humanity wasn't shaped from the mud and/or a rib... It has to be somebody's fault, damnit! We're losing!
68  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: My favourite singer on: December 28, 2016, 07:46:49 AM
I couldn't pick one, but some of them would be:

 - Brian Wilson into the early/mid 70s
 - John Lennon in the latter half of the Beatles
 - Paul Simon
 - Aretha Franklin
 - Freddie Mercury
 - Prince
 - Harry Nilsson into the early '70s
 - Jeff Hanson (an indie singer-songwriter from this area who unfortunately passed a few years ago, but look him up, especially "This Time It Will")
69  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Politics: 2016 Lame Duck and 2017 Trump Administration on: December 28, 2016, 07:39:50 AM
I think the "elite" has been very responsive to the demands of Trump voters - for years it's been cutting taxes, cutting school and other public service funding, liberalizing gun laws, trying to pass bathroom bills, not confirming liberal judges, arming the police with military-grad weapons, eliminating unions, everything they want, they are getting. And pretty much have been. The elites haven't been neglecting those voters at all.

This general idea is something I've been noticing a lot lately: the constant need to be behind (underdog, or oppressed, or whatever the situation calls for), presumably to drum up fundraising and excitement. You need to generate demand, and so you can't get complacent or admit if/when you're already winning. Throughout the Cold War, we heard about how the Soviets were so dangerous, that they were winning the arms race, when any sober review showed they were far behind American might. A charity works hard at messaging to ensure that--however successful it is--people hear that the battle's not won, the disease isn't cured, or there is some new element of the problem to focus on. "We need your help ... click here to donate now!"

So for eight years, we heard totally baseless nonsense about the government coming to take away your guns. Not to regulate them further, no, that's not dramatic. President Obama was going to make all guns illegal. He was going to confiscate them. He was sending in troops to Texas to enforce this action there, first, remember? That little story was REAL. (Not its absurd fairy tale narrative; the story itself.) Right-wing readers believed that sh*t. An ex-girlfriend of mine's dad stocked up on ammo--surprise! the prices had increased dramatically!--because of this. An uncle did the same. Meanwhile actual proposals to slightly regulate the sale of firearms were dismissed entirely as a smokescreen. And we saw the truth. Which was nothing. Nothing happened because nothing was ever going to happen. I expect apologies from the paranoids to start rolling in any time... Gun owners are not the threatened, losing side. They and their supporters are a strong majority in this country. Their rights aren't in danger, despite one party being unable to go a single rally or press conference without bragging about their willingness to stand up to protect the 2nd Amendment, an amendment in no need of protection.

The War on Christmas is another example. Christians are under fire! They're being ATTACKED! It's illegal to practice Christianity in America, where Shariah law rules. Except that's moronic. Christianity may be declining somewhat, but that's a demographic thing more than anything else; this place isn't about to write Shariah into the law books unless it's under its cousin, which would be found in, um, Jewish and Christian holy books (see: Leviticus). ("Oh wait, Luther, we don't take those bits seriously. They were for a different time and place. It's the Muslims we need to worry about.") We've got a huge majority of people constantly shrieking about how they're being oppressed by tiny, weak minorities who have so little power that their lunatics' attempts to find it inevitably involve self immolation: the powerless man's violence.

I know that was just an aside in your post, Emily, but since I'd been thinking about it...
70  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 28, 2016, 07:19:35 AM
I'd stop visiting the board for sure. This isn't some kind of dramatic "I'm leaving" crap, because that's all very boring. But after almost two decades, the BBs stuff gets so repetitive, I'm mostly looking for other topics: maybe 40-50% of why I visit the board is to talk politics.

Banning it would be a sad concession to people who are apparently incapable of having a disagreement without getting too worked up and hating each other (and/or quitting in dramatic fashion while condemning libtards or cucks or whoever it is they're mad at, presumably while starting threads about death spirals).

Perhaps we could ban mention of Mike Love and Brian Wilson, as well. After all, that stupid little fan-feud causes even more name-calling, novel-posts, and grand departures.
71  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What are you watching now?/Favourite Movie of the Moment on: December 27, 2016, 05:01:45 PM
Horace & Pete.
72  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 27, 2016, 12:00:06 PM
Not neutral at all, thorgil: I'm unabashedly on my side. As for soft-spoken and intellectual, I consider both to be great compliments.
73  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: 1986 in Music on: December 27, 2016, 10:20:40 AM
Queen on the other hand really overused it and it really changed their sound.  I think they did a better job with them on albums like The Works and A Kind of Magic. 

We've talked about this to some extent so I won't rehash the disagreement we have on the merits of Hot Space, but I think Queen actually eased into the synths with The Game, which I think is a great album even if you discount Hot Space. So I find Hot Space--regardless of its own merit, mind you, so you can still hate it!--more a legit exploration of a different sound as opposed to a trend-hopping mistake such as those referenced earlier in the thread by the legacy acts trying in vain to be relevant. Maybe it wasn't a pure success (which I'd grant), but it did have some real passion behind it (though the passion of roughly half of a seemingly splintered band).

I totally agree that by the mid-to-later '80s stuff, they seemed to have found themselves again. Maybe because they'd gone off and done their own things, maybe because by the late '80s they knew their time together was limited.

And to bring it back firmly to 1986, I love A Kind of Magic. The "Highlander" stuff was so over the top, so ridiculous, that it fit them perfectly.
74  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all EAT today? + recipes. on: December 27, 2016, 10:14:47 AM
Making chili. Red, yellow, poblano, and jalapenos; mushrooms; onions; garlic; kidney, black, and pinto beans; diced tomatoes; tomato sauce; veggie stock; a shot of burgundy; an herb and spice blend of smoked paprika, cumin, coriander, garlic powder, oregano, basil, and a little cinnamon. (And salt and pepper.) I absolutely love chili, and the gf has taken a shine to my veggie version (which I never really made prior to her presence, being a meat-loving omnivore, myself). I must admit, the veg version lacks nothing. I absolutely love it too. So there will be eight or 10 frozen servings soon.
75  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: This Board is Entering a Death Spiral on: December 27, 2016, 10:11:33 AM
Soft-spoken intellectuals? I haven't seen any on either board. Seems to me most people act more or less the same on both boards, though admittedly I can barely keep track of who's who half of the time.

Whatever the reasons for people being on one board or the other, both, or neither, I don't think it's very important. Who's right, who's wrong, who's right, who's left, who's a troll, who's an insider, who's whatever. It seems like a huge waste of time worrying or talking about it. Personally, I like some people on both boards. I despise some people on both boards. I am entirely apathetic about most people on both boards. If there were some magic world where I could pull in and push away the perfect group for me, I would. But I can't, so life goes on as it is.

If this board is in a death spiral, as the thread suggests, oh well. Then it will die and people will do something else ... most likely on another board nearly identical to this one with whoever is left to care. And if this board isn't in a death spiral, which seems more likely, then whatever, it's just another case of someone being a drama queen when somebody crossed them on this or that topic. Not important. None of this. This board can be this board without trashing that board. And vice versa. Not important.
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