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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: How do you listen to the albums? on: Yesterday at 11:38:25 AM
I'll sometimes change an album's track sequence, but I like there to be some justification beyond just "I think it sounds better this way." I usually like to honor the artist's original intent, for better or worse. But sometimes the final released album may not do that. Things can get changed for non-artistic reasons, for example, meddling by the label. In those cases I'll sometimes try and restore the artists' original intent.

So for Holland, I'll put "We Got Love" back in its intended place, even though I don't especially care for the song. But then I also include Sail On, Sailor because it's just too good of a song to leave off.  Grin

Similarly, I could have sworn I read somewhere that the Beach Boys wanted Land Ahoy on the first album, but Capitol didn't think that 409 was a strong enough single to lead off Side B, so they put the sped-up Surfin' as the 2nd side opener and removed Land Ahoy. I thought this was in the "Our Favorite Recording Sessions" book by Stephen McParland but I can't find the quote now. Can anyone else confirm I didn't dream this up?

The last couple of times I've listened to Pet Sounds, I replaced Sloop John B. with Good Vibrations. I've never actually felt that Sloop sounds out of place on the album, the way some do. But I know Al has said "The fact that we didnít put Good Vibrations on Pet Sounds was a big mistake" and Mike says in his book that "Brian shoehorned 'Sloop John B' onto the album, even though it didnít connect thematically with the rest of the record but may have appeased Capitolís concerns." So I figured I'd try it their way.

And then sometimes I'll listen to an album or "era" in the order the songs were recorded or conceived.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Caribou Ranch (1975) fanmix on: May 23, 2018, 10:16:47 AM
If "Barnyard Blues" was the best they could retrieve from in the vault, then I'm not crossing my fingers for some lost masterpiece Grin

I actually love "Barnyard Blues" and I think it is a lost masterpiece. Well, "masterpiece" is a loaded word -- I'll say instead that I think it's a top-tier Beach Boys song, and one they definitely should have released at the time. I particularly like how there's no standard verse/chorus/bridge structure. It just proceeds from one section to the next, telling a little story.

There was a nice discussion recently about this song over at PSF: http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/2584/tones-smile-outtakes
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Mark Dillon (Fifty Sides) re-reconstructs track listing on: May 10, 2018, 11:07:36 PM
The original version (a different verse and chorus track) is remarkable in it's own way, I actually prefer it to the re-recorded version (it's on Sea of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters Vol 16) but it is much shorter and has no middle 8. 

Is that a vintage Brian track assembly? I always just figured it was an edit made by the bootleggers.

While the Child lyrics/melody fits perfectly over the ending of Surf's Up, and Brian may have intended that way, there is reason to doubt it - the piano demo that became the second part of Surf's Up on the album of the same name has only wordless singing at the end, and not in the melody of Child.

I hear similar wordless singing in the chorus/fade of 2nd Child mono acetate mix (track 19 on the Vigotone 110 CD). Listen to the "ahhhhhh" backing vocals at about 1:18-1:21 and 1:30-1:33 of that track and compare to Brian's "ahhhh" at the end of his piano demo. I think that could imply the "child" vocals were intended to go over the fade of Surf's Up, though maybe I'm reaching here.

I have sent a note to David about  tracking down his playlist. He wasn't thinking so much about a 1967 SMiLE, but rather he was putting forward a playlist he liked. Although, as I mentioned in the podcast, he knows some stuff...

Cool, thanks! I think you said in the podcast that Brian told David that Good Vibrations was not always intended to end the album? I guess we knew already knew that from the '69 Fusion interview with Michael Vosse, but it's interesting to hear Brian confirm it.

Question for Phil: I'm not sure what you mean by the cowboy-sounding section removed from Good Vibrations. Which track on the the box set is it on?
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: SMiLE: Mark Dillon (Fifty Sides) re-reconstructs track listing on: May 10, 2018, 05:59:01 PM
Hi all,

I enjoyed the discussion -- thanks to Mark & Phil for doing it. Here are a few of my thoughts (cross-posted from the blog comments).

- Placing Worms and Cabin next to each other does indeed make sense. The Jules Siegel article (p. 86 of Look Listen Vibrate Smile) describes Brian playing some acetates to guests at a dinner party (circa October '66) in this order: Worms verse, Bicycle Rider, Cabin Essence tag, Cabin Essence chorus, Barnyard, Bicycle Rider. This might explain why Barnyard was put between Worms and Cabin on Brian Wilson Presents Smile.

- Mark, Do you think Mrs. O'Leary's Cow should use the "organ waltz" intro? That piece was apparently supposed to be an intro to Heroes when it was recorded, and I've heard it suggested that using it as the intro to Fire was a latter-day idea.

- Any thoughts on I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night? I think it would work either between Shape and Vega-Tables, like on BWPS, or following Mrs. O'Leary's Cow, as per Carol Kaye's comments about "rebuilding after the fire."

Does anyone have a link to David Beard's playlist from last year? I tried searching Facebook but couldn't find it.
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