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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian at Hawthorne HS recently on: January 16, 2018, 03:19:15 PM
What the heck , Brian in 2018 looks healthier than Mike.
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Holland was released 45 years ago today. on: January 08, 2018, 10:39:28 AM
I'm surprised how Holland is highly rated in English-spoken BB communities, in contrast with its poor reputation here in Japan.

Before I get to BB forums and all other BB sites written in English, all I read about the album was, "have a few highlights" at best, at worst "a dull throwaway album". With such reputation, Holland was one of the last BB albums I gave the first listen. I liked it, but influenced by its reputation, I wasn't very sure it's great.

Still, I'm not keen on calling Holland a great album, but my appreciation on the album grows as I listen to it time to time. Very much look forward to 2023 copyright protection release, and hope that would probably promote the re-appreciation of the album over here.


Dull and a throwaway sounds about right.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Most cringeworthy screenshot from any BBs music video? on: January 07, 2018, 02:21:04 AM
Here’s a heartwarming moment from Rock & Roll to the Rescue.


In what universe does a bald headed 40 something get the eye of a bikini clad 20-something?
Why, in Beach Boys Video Universe, of course!

In every universe where money exists.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 05, 2018, 07:22:56 AM
For the longest time I believed Somewhere Near Japan would have been the last, GREAT BB song.
Thankfully, we got TWGMTR and a few nice tracks on that.
Still Surfin' on SIP is great but not so sure how many Beach Boys are on that track ...
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Still Cruisin and SIP should be in the core catalogue. on: January 05, 2018, 07:18:07 AM
The main outside influence making SC and even SIP weird and compromised was the whole Landy situation. It's why Brian was barely integrated into the band in 1988/89, and the immediate aftermath of Brian being extricated from Landy was presumably why he wasn't anywhere to be seen on SIP.

But if we're going to start erasing stuff that Landy directly or indirect impacted, then pretty much everything Brian was a part of from 1983 to 1992 would have to be erased. So no BW '88 album, and so on.


And if we're going to start erasing stuff just because *you* think it sucks, then a ton of their entire catalog is on the table.

Still Cruisin' was my introduction to the Beach Boys as a 9 year-old. Uncle Jesse and Full House was how I learned to love their music or at least their personas as a kid. It's unfair to think someone doesn't consider it real BB music because they don't like it. I guess if I grew up on Pet Sounds, I would feel the same way.

Personally, what I don't consider BB material is the awful Nashville Sounds album.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 1963: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles on: January 05, 2018, 03:23:35 AM
This seems unfair to ask on a BB forum.  Shocked
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: BEACH BOYS 1968 - LETS BE FRIENDS on: January 01, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
Kind of a lame joke.
I was very hopeful for new stuff.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: “Do It Again” remake named one of the worst songs of the year by Stereogum on: December 31, 2017, 02:13:44 PM
It's bad, but I don't think it's so bad that it deserves 40 worst songs of 2017. It's at least written by Brian (originally), and it's certainly better than lots of horrible new songs I heard and forgot at the same time on the radio or TV.

I think that’s what makes it so bad though - Mike turned a Brian Wilson co-penned tune into a pile of rotting excrement. Like you have to try super damn hard to completely destroy a classic Brian Wilson tune.

I have heard a ton of bad stuff this year - google ‘Gucci Gang’ and read the lyrics, it’s 5 minutes of your life you’ll severely want back, and it’s been a top song for a while now. But the fact that Mike put so many godawful elements into one song that was once a hit makes me think his version should be at the top of the “worst” list.

Please. Gucci Gang is NO worse than a dumb songike My Ding A Ling or The Bird is the Word. It is music for young people, unless you are very young, you won't appreciate it.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: THE BEACH BOYS ALBUM SLEEVES PROJECT - Updated Editions... on: December 31, 2017, 10:08:58 AM
That is awesome, thank you so much.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: “Do It Again” remake named one of the worst songs of the year by Stereogum on: December 31, 2017, 08:21:58 AM
to be honest the original is way overrated anyway.
Agree! It's laughably bad. DIA remake is destined to be epic fail, ha.

Glad I'm not alone. People act like Do It Again was the second coming of the BB. I always hated it.

In all seriousness, for his age, Mike looks pretty great in the new video.

Yeah, take away the botox and the hat and he'll look like a 105 year old clown.  Smokin

Compare him to the mucn younger Mark McGrath 🤣
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: “Do It Again” remake named one of the worst songs of the year by Stereogum on: December 31, 2017, 04:59:27 AM
to be honest the original is way overrated anyway.
Agree! It's laughably bad. DIA remake is destined to be epic fail, ha.

Glad I'm not alone. People act like Do It Again was the second coming of the BB. I always hated it.

In all seriousness, for his age, Mike looks pretty great in the new video.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: “Do It Again” remake named one of the worst songs of the year by Stereogum on: December 30, 2017, 03:25:01 PM
It's not awful, to be honest the original is way overrated anyway.

I went to leave a comment on the official YouTube version and commenting was disabled. Mike must know he was gonna get flamed to death. All I was gonna say was that Mike looks younger and more alive than Mark Mcgrath these days.
13  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys and their safety net on: December 28, 2017, 12:38:44 PM
It also has a huge amount to do with the songs that Brian was writing.  It would be hard to reproduce a lot of songs post-Summer Days with just five guys onstage.  

Edited to add:  There's a documentary in which this is discussed - I want to say it's "Brian Wilson, Songwriter"? 

That makes perfect sense. You won't be able to recreate their music after the early days with just 2 guitars, a bass, and drum kit.

Thank you! I will check out the doc, too.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / The Beach Boys and their safety net on: December 28, 2017, 11:26:29 AM
I am just wondering when the boys started implementing more musicians into their live shows and why? In their very early, televised shows it was just 5 guys but seems like it kept growing and growing. Was this due to the guys not caring/practicing or not being sober and needing extra help? If memory serves me, wasn't there TWO drummers at one point to back up Dennis' playing? I didn't expect them to be playing everything themselves during the reunion shows in 2012 but I was still surprised by how many people were actually on stage.

Here's the most provocative question: Can anyone actually hear Al's guitar, Bruce's keyboard, or Brian's piano? In my only BB show the band was AWESOME but I do not have sensitive hearing and it's hard for me to tell the difference.
15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heard Another One on Sirrius XM Deep Tracks... on: December 28, 2017, 11:13:05 AM
I think the trick is to listen WITHOUT bias. We are all hardcore BB fans on this forum. Personally, I love a song like Marcella but the reality is that a song like that isn't meant for public consumption. I can find a treasure on every single BB album but to the casual listener, they want another Pet Sounds or worse ... another 'Fun, Fun, Fun'. Obviously, in a way Mike was right to bitch about the "formula" because Brian's ambitious music, which created a pop masterpiece also likely doomed them to peaking at #50 or higher on the charts with each and every single. That was either because he started making music WAY too far out there or because he had a breakdown and left the band hanging and forced other members to contribute more than they were capable of doing.



I think you hit the nail on the head.  As much as I love the albums Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surf's Up, and Holland, if I were to play those to casual or non fans, they'd likely shrug their shoulders.  However, I can throw on something like Sounds of Summer (featuring mostly their 60s hits), to a crowd with diverse music tastes, and it would go over well. 

What I do is test out the music on my 6 year old daughter. She ADORES the early stuff and sings along with hits and non hits and loves Pet Sound favorites like Sloop John B and God Only Knows ... and her favorite song is Vegetables, obviously for its quirks but when something like a Marcella or Break Away plays in the car she zones out. She loves the 80s and early 90s stuff, though. Come Go With Me, Getcha Back, Kokomo, Problem Child, and Crocodile Rock she knows every word to.

The average casual fan is basically a 6 year old child.  LOL
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heard Another One on Sirrius XM Deep Tracks... on: December 28, 2017, 11:09:52 AM
Now, I will throw this to member HeyJude who is 1,000 times more eloquent than I am... do you think it was easier for the BB to make it big during their era (60s) than it was for someone like Petty in the 80s and 90s? It seems like in 1963 there was a lot less to do than say in 1994 when Petty released Wildflowers. In the early 90s Petty had to compete with Michael Jackson, grunge, the rise of the internet and the improvements in movies and video games. Unless I am wrong, in 1965 there were only three channels on TV making the appearance of the boys on Sullivan a HUGE deal.

Again, I say all this as a die hard BB fan looking for discussion on this awesome board.

I forgot to add ... AGEISM.
The boys made it in their prime, they were all young, handsome men with a heartthrob in the ripped Dennis Wilson.
By the 90s, Tom was considered an old fart but still defied logic and found some HUGE success when the popular, extremely MTV friendly bands of the time like Nirvana were making fun of "over the hill" rockers in their late 20s and early 30s from the hair metal days.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heard Another One on Sirrius XM Deep Tracks... on: December 28, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
I think the trick is to listen WITHOUT bias. We are all hardcore BB fans on this forum. Personally, I love a song like Marcella but the reality is that a song like that isn't meant for public consumption. I can find a treasure on every single BB album but to the casual listener, they want another Pet Sounds or worse ... another 'Fun, Fun, Fun'. Obviously, in a way Mike was right to bitch about the "formula" because Brian's ambitious music, which created a pop masterpiece also likely doomed them to peaking at #50 or higher on the charts with each and every single. That was either because he started making music WAY too far out there or because he had a breakdown and left the band hanging and forced other members to contribute more than they were capable of doing.

Friends - #47
Blue Birds over the Mountain - #61
Break Away - #63
Add Some Music - #64
Cottonfield - #103
Long Promised Road - #89
Marcella - 110

Tom Petty

I Won't Back Down - #12
Free Fallin' - #7
Mary Jane's Last Dance - #14
American Girl - #9
You Don't Know How It Feels - #13

Now, I will throw this to member HeyJude who is 1,000 times more eloquent than I am... do you think it was easier for the BB to make it big during their era (60s) than it was for someone like Petty in the 80s and 90s? It seems like in 1963 there was a lot less to do than say in 1994 when Petty released Wildflowers. In the early 90s Petty had to compete with Michael Jackson, grunge, the rise of the internet and the improvements in movies and video games. Unless I am wrong, in 1965 there were only three channels on TV making the appearance of the boys on Sullivan a HUGE deal.

Again, I say all this as a die hard BB fan looking for discussion on this awesome board.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heard Another One on Sirrius XM Deep Tracks... on: December 28, 2017, 08:10:40 AM
Petty of course also wrote some introductory liner notes for the 2000 CD for "Holland."

It's too bad Petty didn't do more with Carl. Imagine Petty (who was co-writing great stuff for the Wilburys as well as Jeff Lynne, George Harrison, and Roy Orbison solo albums) giving Carl a song or two to put on a BB album in the late 80s/early 90s. Imagine Carl singing a song like "You Got It" or "Free Fallin" on a 1989 Beach Boys album.

Seems like Petty's best work from the 80s and 90s was better than all of the BB and solo work from the 70s to today.

Better than CATP, Surf's Up, Holland, Sunflower, Love You, Pacific Ocean Blue, Brian Wilson, Smile, etc...?  I think not. 

I love all those albums, minus Brian Wilson 88 but I think if I played that for a non BB fan ... they really wouldn't get it. The BB music truly is an acquired taste.

As for Petty, his stuff from mid-80s to late-90s was BRILLIANT and CREATED fans. Keep in mind, I have over 2,000 BB and BB related songs on my smart phone and ZERO Petty albums. Just an observation. I feel the Beach Boys or just Carl would have benefited GREATLY from a teaming with Petty. Can you imagine Carl in the Traveling Wilburys during the first run? He would have become a house hold name.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Heard Another One on Sirrius XM Deep Tracks... on: December 27, 2017, 09:11:41 AM
Petty of course also wrote some introductory liner notes for the 2000 CD for "Holland."

It's too bad Petty didn't do more with Carl. Imagine Petty (who was co-writing great stuff for the Wilburys as well as Jeff Lynne, George Harrison, and Roy Orbison solo albums) giving Carl a song or two to put on a BB album in the late 80s/early 90s. Imagine Carl singing a song like "You Got It" or "Free Fallin" on a 1989 Beach Boys album.

Seems like Petty's best work from the 80s and 90s was better than all of the BB and solo work from the 70s to today.
20  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Saga - The next generation on: December 26, 2017, 09:27:53 AM
Whatever happened with this project? Did they split up? Record any material?

While the C50 fallout most likely wasn't the main factor in the "group's" apparent demise/hiatus, it certainly couldn't have helped. In several cases, the offspring of the band members (perhaps most notably Ambha Love) have been roped into online debates/arguments concerning various aspects of the band, Mike, and/or the C50 demise. I also wonder if it would have been another "reunion" tour leg that would have allowed the CalSaga band to have an easy/obvious avenue to do more shows.

I also think that the various members had/have varying degrees of interest in making music a major deal in their careers/lives.

They supposedly *did* do some amount of recording in some permutation. But the fact that a group of relatively well-off folks who also don't have apparent super busy music careers couldn't find time in the last five years to record an album or do even a single additional live gig tells me they're either not super interested, or do have other intervening life/career factors. It's probably some of all of the above.



That's unfortunate, I am on the look out for the post Brian/Mike BB days any year now and that would have been a nice group to support. I watched a few performances on YouTube and it seemed a little sloppy. Just ten people on stage all singing the same part of songs. I would have hoped for a nicer presentation but you're probably right, their heart wasn't in it I suppose.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: California Saga - The next generation on: December 26, 2017, 06:24:29 AM
Whatever happened with this project? Did they split up? Record any material?
22  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 50 is the new 20 for the Beach Boys? on: December 21, 2017, 11:21:13 AM
Black is slimming  Grin

Are there any historical documents of Carl Wilson WITHOUT a beard past, say ... 1990?
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 50 is the new 20 for the Beach Boys? on: December 21, 2017, 11:03:01 AM
Maybe he had a lot of the same shirts. I'm not rich and I have 3-4 black RL polo shirts which are identical.

Just a theory. Doubt Cousin Brian just wore the same shirt all the time.  Cool Guy
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: 50 is the new 20 for the Beach Boys? on: December 21, 2017, 10:22:41 AM
I don't really agree, 13thBB.  During the Landy years Brian might have been thin, but thin doesn't equal healthy.  According to a number of sources, Brian was essentially being starved during that time, and to me it shows.  I believe that people generally have a "set weight" that their body naturally reverts to, and Brian's set weight wasn't ever skinny.  When I see videos of Brian during the Landy years I tend to cringe because to me he looks way too thin.  Given all he's been through, I would say that he looks pretty good now (with the obvious exception that he is very unsteady on his feet).  Appearance-wise, he looks healthy for a 75 year old man. 

I would argue that Carl never looked better than in 1980.  Take a look at some of the tv appearances they did at that time....phew, he looks GOOD.  Slim but healthy. 

Mike seems to be in good shape, but I would say he has aged quite a bit over the last couple of years.  He just doesn't seem as limber, and moves more slowly, than he did during C50.  Which is not unusual given his age. 

And Al appears immune to the effects of time. 

When it comes to Brian's "Landy years", that's a wide range of time. Late 1982 to 1992-ish.

The first few years, I think Brian looked fine. He took off all the weight very fast, so fast that few "interim" photos exist between these two extremes between 1982 and late 1983:





The only sort of interim photos (apart from maybe a few things in the 1991 fake bio) are of the few early 1983 gigs Brian did, including the one in Hawaii after he had only been in "treatment" for a few months:



It was around 1988-ish that Brian started to have that sort of "scary" bug-eyed look, which I figure is a mixture of more (maybe finally too much) weight loss, the continued over-medication by Landy, and possibly also the rumored/alleged plastic surgery.





When did his upper set of teeth change? Cause in the "lost" Good Vibrations video unearthed a few years back, one of his two, front teeth was way ahead of the other as far as placement. It was incredibly distracting but not in a negative way.



Judging by the first photo you posted, they were shot to hell and stained by early 80s. I always wondered if dentures of caps is the reason for Brian's way of singing being dramatically different by the mid 80s. It's really hard to get into any of his solo work. He just sings so different and I don't mean from the lack of a high falsetto.
25  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Rock Cellar on: December 20, 2017, 11:19:53 AM
Has Mike ever delved into the subject of transcendental meditation? That would be a fascinating interview if he were ever to discuss it.
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