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76  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the last time Bruce Johnston played bass? on: January 09, 2020, 02:58:32 PM
I'm no American or American football fan but aren't cheerleaders a pretty prominent part of it? Seems to me that they'd have been there anyway since it was the superbowl.
77  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Who's your favorite Beach Boy and why? on: January 08, 2020, 10:11:35 AM
Team Bruce
78  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: January 06, 2020, 04:36:03 PM
Turns out Bruce's "Christmas Message" over at Beach Boys Britain was all about his trip to Brian

Quote
From Bruce Johnston
Posted on December 20, 2019 at 23:09:24 by Bruce Johnston

Yet another busy year.
RAH in June was really wonderful (but too much ‘hot California summer weather’ in London!).

I was happy to catch part of Brian’s set at the Beacon in NYC recently.
We finished a private BB concert in NYC (the same night of Brian’s concert) and some of us raced over to watch Brian & band perform.
The audience really enjoyed seeing BW & band live and everything looked & sounded great.
The New York Beacon audience certainly has 150% support for Brian, his rockin’ band and all that amazing music from California.
I loved the two lines of band with Brian centerstage.
My viewpoint was side stage and I had a great night of music.

Bruce Johnston
Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!!

79  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Bassist Carol Kaye Slams \ on: January 04, 2020, 02:11:24 AM
80  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When was the last time Bruce Johnston played bass? on: January 01, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
He was holding one at least in 2005. https://twitter.com/beachboyslegacy/status/1211324425662091264
81  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 30, 2019, 08:53:00 AM
Amen. I literally quit listening to my Sunflowef/Surf's Up twofer after hearing the version in his study video. There just didn't seem to be a point to hearing it in any other way.
Can I find this anywhere online?

No, sadly. He pulled them down awhile ago after fears that BRI would shut it down...I don’t really know how to summarize it...someone else can probably jump in and fill in the details. I really only heard his mix of “Vegetables” because I never had the time to sit down and go through all of his mixes.

I would have thought it was more like he pulled them down after some um...rigorous debate here and other places regarding who was singing on the Sail On, Sailor video he uploaded.
82  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson 2020 Live Thread on: December 28, 2019, 04:06:09 PM
June 19: Beach Boys play Norway

June 19/20: Brian Wilson band plays Spain.

 

Dare to dream...? Both bands in Europe at the same time

The bands have crossed paths geographically before while on tour (and much closer than Norway vs. Spain); I think some of Mike's band (but not Mike) turned up backstage at a Brian show in the past year or so.

But even when they're in the same town, they don't guest with each other on stage. Other than the "anything is possible" scenario, I wouldn't count on it. And really, PR wise, it would be better to save even a one-night reunion for something bigger than rando shows in Norway and Spain.

Bruce, Scott and Tim were backstage for Brian's show at the Beacon in New York, 26th September 2019. (Mike's band had played the George H.W. Bush Points of Lights Award Gala at the Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum earlier that night)
83  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: The Beach Boys - Beach Boys' Party! Uncovered and Unplugged CD or CD-R on: December 17, 2019, 11:21:00 AM
It was released as regular CDs.
84  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 16, 2019, 01:34:57 PM
Calling it a delay implies they intended to release it one of the last two weeks - which we've already established we have no evidence of.
85  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: December 08, 2019, 04:28:49 AM



Is today the day?





Why would it be?



Historical data:




Last year's 1968 releases were announced and dropped on December 7th/8th.

"Sunshine Tomorrow 2" and the live '67 digital releases hit on December 8th, 2017.

The '66 live stuff - December 9, 2016.




It will be a Friday - since 2015 everything gets released on a Friday. (of course, New Zealand gets Friday before Europe or the US so most of us would know about it on the Thursday)
86  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: December 08, 2019, 04:25:17 AM
Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



Weird, do they have to state that for some reason?

Might also stop journalists getting it wrong. When the Chelsea gig was announced one article was saying how Brian, Mike and Al would be there while another was saying how Brian, Al and Blondie toured as The Beach Boys. By the afternoon those articles had been corrected and the Brian pictures replaced with Mike pictures!
87  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: November 18, 2019, 02:38:09 AM
June 14 2020 - Royal Hospital Chelsea, London

(although the article announcing it appears to be a tad confused https://www.list.co.uk/article/112768-the-beach-boys-join-the-live-at-chelsea-2020-line-up-sign-up-for-presale-tickets/)
88  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson's best, worst, most famous, and highest charting solo songs on: September 21, 2019, 01:42:45 PM
In terms of UK singles charts:

Wonderful (BWPS) at 29
Good Vibrations (BWPS) at 30
What I Really Want For Christmas at 66
God Only Knows (BBC Music version) at 20 (* not sure this counts but the charts listed it as Brian Wilson & Various Artists so....)
89  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson - 2019 Tour Thread on: September 07, 2019, 01:39:26 AM
Alan White of Yes is joining Brian on stage on the show on the 16th at the Paramount Theatre in Seattle
90  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: September 04, 2019, 01:17:44 PM
Wow, that is a bit confusing. So now Bonfilgio is out and they have some other random guy, now on keyboards? They need three keyboardists? I always thought Totten could do a resonable falsetto.

If Bonfiglio is out to go back to Brian's band, it's weird they had Kirsch in just for two gigs with Brian? Not to mention, why wouldn't Mike just have Randell Kirsch come back and sub in again in *his* band? I guess I would normally wonder if that would be awkward if the speculation/indications were correct that Kirsch got elbowed out of the band to make room for Eichenberger back in 2015. But I recall that when Eichenberger left again a year or two after that, they had Kirsch back for at least a few gigs until they got a new bass player (which I think is still that Hubacher guy).

It's weird how Mike is now choosing to balloon his band more. It appears Hubacher rarely if ever sings, so I wonder why a couple years ago Mike chose to replace Eichenberger (who sang and played bass) with *two* members, one who sings (Christian Love) and one who doesn't (Hubacher)

For the life of me I couldn't figure out who was on the keyboards at the Puyallup show 9/2 (to Mike's direct left, with Bruce being at Mike's direct right). After some digging I figured out it was Matthew Jordan (https://matthewjordan.com/). Sounds like he did some shows with them in August, in place of Bonfiglio. Not sure if Bonfiglio is returning or if Jordan is filling in until someone else returns (Eichenberger?)

Matthew Jordan worked on the Sam Hollander produced tracks from the last two Mike albums. On RFTS tracks he did backing vocals and keyboards and on 12SOS he did vocal arrangements and backing vocals.
91  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys 2019 Tour Thread on: September 04, 2019, 10:43:03 AM
Wow, that is a bit confusing. So now Bonfilgio is out and they have some other random guy, now on keyboards? They need three keyboardists? I always thought Totten could do a resonable falsetto.

If Bonfiglio is out to go back to Brian's band, it's weird they had Kirsch in just for two gigs with Brian? Not to mention, why wouldn't Mike just have Randell Kirsch come back and sub in again in *his* band? I guess I would normally wonder if that would be awkward if the speculation/indications were correct that Kirsch got elbowed out of the band to make room for Eichenberger back in 2015. But I recall that when Eichenberger left again a year or two after that, they had Kirsch back for at least a few gigs until they got a new bass player (which I think is still that Hubacher guy).

It's weird how Mike is now choosing to balloon his band more. It appears Hubacher rarely if ever sings, so I wonder why a couple years ago Mike chose to replace Eichenberger (who sang and played bass) with *two* members, one who sings (Christian Love) and one who doesn't (Hubacher)

The most noticeable time (only time?) Hubacher seems to sing is on Getcha Back. I'm sure I saw him singing during another song last time I saw them since he was right in my eyeline, but can't recall what it was.
92  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: August 01, 2019, 10:56:36 AM
I think Mike made his artistic statement with Unleash the Love. The majority of songs on disc one were new songs - at least to fans like me who don't have access to every bootleg or unreleased tape. I bought Unleash the Love, and enjoyed hearing what Mike could come up with this late in the game. I listened to the Christmas album, but I didn't feel I needed to add it to my collection. And the new one, not really interested. Wondering if maybe Mike had a 3 album deal and recorded this one just to get something out? Whatever, I guess it's impressive that he's putting stuff out. I don't see Brian or Al rushing to get anything new out. How long did it take Al to record Postcards? Maybe we can expect a followup when Al's 90.  Undecided

My guess with Mike's recent glut of albums is that they are made on the relative cheap, and the whole thing may be folded into or related to his book deal from a few years back, as I think both the book's publisher and the record label have the same parent company. Mike is able to knock these albums out pretty quickly in between busy tour dates/legs; in particular the last two were able to be knocked out pretty quickly because they're mostly covers and no time was needed to write new material.

It's ironic, about the only person in the Beach Boys at this point where I'd find some value in their knocking out a glut of albums filled with covers is Al Jardine, because his voice is so amazingly intact. There's still some value in hearing him sing stuff even when it's not super interesting material, because he's still such a great singer. Whereas, with Brian or Mike, I'd need some other hook (e.g. good *new* songs or truly uniquely inspired choices of songs to cover) to get me interested, because I don't pursue their material first and foremost for their lead vocal prowess at this stage.

So there's irony in that Al has been the last productive of the three in terms of releasing material. Considering how long it took him to get "Postcards" out, and how he's *still* kind of working that album almost a decade later (and seems stalled out on the reported "expanded" reissue of it even), I've always just gone under the assumption we'll never get another album from Al. Then, if one materializes, it'll just be a pleasant surprise.

Though, interestingly, Al and Larry Dvoskin just posted a few days ago that they finished off another of their old songs with Richie Cannata in the studio, a song called "Waves" (which I'm *desperately* hoping is not just yet another stab at reworking the now thrice-released "Waves of Love").

where was it posted?

https://www.facebook.com/ESQEditor/posts/10157325039287487
93  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys at Hershey 1991 & City Island 1989 on: July 30, 2019, 10:31:51 AM
GnR and Beach Boys - what a lineup!

There was 47 days between the GnR and The Beach Boys concert.
94  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 30, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
For a new record, there has been very limited conversation about this release in any of the usual online BB's places.

Really seems to be little interest which kinda surprises me as there is not much else happening in the BB's world.

Talk of chart placings seems pointless when even hardcore BB's fans are not particularly bothered.

In fairness, I think most people have given up trying to have a serious discussion on anything Mike does (not just here but in most places) because we all know what most of the responses will be and its not worth the hassle...

I like the album, its a nice easy listen and a fun summer album.

I think the Scott produced tracks are probably the highlights and hope Mike looks towards using him more on any future albums.

The Hollander tracks didn't involve any of Mike's band outside of backing vocals (even the vocal arrangements are outsider work), which makes the covers of Surfin' and Surfin' Safari at least a bit more interesting than if they just used the live arrangements.
95  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 29, 2019, 11:37:22 AM
If Mike is selling his solo CDs at "Beach Boys" shows, then all of Brian's solo catalog should be for sale at the merch booth too...

They better be selling David Mark's Work Tapes too...
96  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 26, 2019, 12:10:45 PM
12 Sides Of Summer was number 17 on the UK Independent Album Breakers Top 20 this week (a chart for artists who haven't had a top 20 album).

Well, pop the champagne bottles!

Two quick points: Mike's album is 6 positions behind the new album from cartoon character "Peppa Pig".

And it's jarring in a way to see the other entries on what most would say are truly independent labels, while Mike's label is listed as "BMG", which is of course the name of one of the largest music corporations in the world. How is a record on "BMG" an indie release?



Obviously it isn't an amazing achievement. But, it's not like any of us, including Mike or BMG, was expecting it to top the charts. By getting into that chart it can be presumed it did better in the UK than either UTL or RFTS did, so they'll be happy.

Still, kids TV show music is big business - Bob the Builder has had as many number ones singles in the UK as the Beach Boys did...

Also, for whatever reason, BMG is counted as an indie by the OCC - number 9 in the main Independent Album Charts is also on BMG. Its not the only one on the list - WaterTower Music is a Warner thing and Rise Records is also BMG owned and both are also in the Indie Breakers list.

It just adds to my suspicion that this "chart" is a sham, when you have these labels that are under the umbrellas of the largest music corporations in the world being listed on an "independent" chart. It's pure crap! The true indie labels and artists that are on this ersatz chart, more power to them...but c'mon, calling releases that are under the BMG or Warner umbrellas "indie"?  

I'm well aware of the power and success of kids TV music, in fact since it's been 20 years or so I wonder how many people realize Simon Cowell made a name for himself by getting a Teletubbies record on the popular charts back in the day.

And Peppa Pig, yes that is a franchise that has grossed and brings in literally hundreds of millions in revenue...so what's it doing on an "indie" music list if it's a multi-million grossing franchise?

Makes no sense.


They have an rules enquiry email address, so I'll ask them. https://www.officialcharts.com/who-we-are/contact-us/

Still I was similarly confused and did more digging and it seems that the rules are basically just if its not owned by Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group or Sony Music Entertainment.

BMG is actually BMG Rights Management. It is not owned by Sony.
It was formed out of the parts of Sony BMG that Bertelsmann kept when Sony acquired the rest. So its not owned by Sony anymore.

Similarly, the label Peppa Pig came out on isn't on a major record label - its on eOne Music, a label owned by the TV/film company that own Peppa Pig. eOne is apparently the largest indie label in America.

In fact even that WaterTower Music that is owned by Warner is owned by the WarnerMedia - which doesn't own Warner Music Group anymore.

So while all these are owned by multibillion dollar companies, they aren't owned by the three multibillion dollar record labels so don't count as major label it seems.
97  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 26, 2019, 11:26:07 AM
12 Sides Of Summer was number 17 on the UK Independent Album Breakers Top 20 this week (a chart for artists who haven't had a top 20 album).

Well, pop the champagne bottles!

Two quick points: Mike's album is 6 positions behind the new album from cartoon character "Peppa Pig".

And it's jarring in a way to see the other entries on what most would say are truly independent labels, while Mike's label is listed as "BMG", which is of course the name of one of the largest music corporations in the world. How is a record on "BMG" an indie release?



Obviously it isn't an amazing achievement. But, it's not like any of us, including Mike or BMG, was expecting it to top the charts. By getting into that chart it can be presumed it did better in the UK than either UTL or RFTS did, so they'll be happy.

Still, kids TV show music is big business - Bob the Builder has had as many number ones singles in the UK as the Beach Boys did...

Also, for whatever reason, BMG is counted as an indie by the OCC - number 9 in the main Independent Album Charts is also on BMG. Its not the only one on the list - WaterTower Music is a Warner thing and Rise Records is also BMG owned and both are also in the Indie Breakers list.
98  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Mike working on yet another new album on: July 26, 2019, 10:49:47 AM
12 Sides Of Summer was number 17 on the UK Independent Album Breakers Top 20 this week (a chart for artists who haven't had a top 20 album).
99  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 25, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
Since I've just discovered this, and its Melcher related - Make It Big was originally recorded by Doris Day and Terry for her 1985 show Best Friends.

This suggests that Mike's contribution was the middle bit - the "Baby you're a superstar Lookin' like you're goin' far" and "You could be my little movie queen Up there on the silver screen" parts

Elora has kindly uploaded it the audio to Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-x6jAlDOdw&feature=youtu.be

Or if you want to see it in context, with cute videos of dogs and kids playing together, https://youtu.be/dOKuy_N_E6c?t=450
100  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 25, 2019, 02:55:49 PM
The Terry Melcher version of Happy Endings (which was released on the Doris Day My Heart album a few years back) is about a thousand times better than the Beach Boys/Little Richard version.

In the intro Day claims that Terry had actually wrote it for her, but that she insisted he sung it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yuqlWtObJs
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