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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Sweet Mountain on: Yesterday at 05:20:13 AM
According to the credits on this CD version, Brian did the vocal arrangement while David Sandler arranged the music:

https://www.discogs.com/de/Spring-Spring/release/3721371

That's an inaccurate transcription of the liner notes, both Brian and Sandler are credited for arranging music and vocals.

The music itself was written by Sandler, adapted from an older song by him called Standin' Tall (https://youtu.be/srAO7KCxIE4), then both of them reworked it lyrically and melodically into Sweet Mountain. Marilyn estimated it was "75% Brian" and told a Dutch Newspaper in 1972 that he played all of the instruments, but Sandler remembers playing the Moog bass part side by side with Brian. The oboe and sax were probably Alan Beutler.

I'd put money on Brian having a decent amount of input on the chorus and fade tag, extending its original progression from I ii I ii to I vi7 ii7 V7sus . On the tag, especially, it 'feels' like YOU CHEATED by The Shields. That would be a typical Brian move.  
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Ronda, Uke look so fine! -Ronda production breakdown video! (Now with link!) on: May 19, 2020, 05:44:59 AM


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...I also like the lose feel of Ronda. It's more like Buster Brown's Fannie Mae on which "Ronda" is based...

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Yes, there are elements of Fannie Mae in Ronda, but there are features of other records from Lloyd Price, The Dixie Cups and The Silhouettes, among others, in there, too.
 
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keep it clean with Al Jardine and watch this WIGU(TBAM) breakdown vid on: May 11, 2020, 09:48:14 AM
It sounds like a steel string uke on Love To Say Dada.

A somewhat rare practice, but certainly it's done.

Have any of you listened to Lyle's first jazz uke album?  It's a great record, and there are a few times his uke sounds pretty electric guitar-ish on that, too.

I've had the LP for a number of years. It's a fine album! There is a change in one of the songs that uses the same change as he used in bar four of  Diamond Head.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keep it clean with Al Jardine and watch this WIGU(TBAM) breakdown vid on: May 11, 2020, 07:26:20 AM
It sounds like a steel string uke on Love To Say Dada.
5  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boy duets? on: May 11, 2020, 07:14:41 AM
Let's Put Our Hearts Together.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: That's Not Me (Arranged for 2 Guitars) on: May 04, 2020, 02:26:26 PM
I like how you've turned Carl's 12-string overdubs into Wes Montgomery.
Yes, nice octave touch. No one played Wes like Wes, tho. He strummed his octaves with his thumb.
7  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: April 17, 2020, 07:34:48 AM
If I were UMG, I'd bump the release to Christmas.
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If 15 Big Ones was a completely originals album on: April 16, 2020, 05:35:06 AM
Had we had an album like this, we wouldn't have gotten Love You.
9  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: First appearance of clarinets on BBs record (and final?) on: April 07, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
I think contrabass clarinets are more common than you might think. I went to a city college, my alto sax playing was so bad that the instructor had me play bassoon parts on the contrabass clarinet.
10  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Keyboards in 'California Girls' on: March 30, 2020, 05:36:07 AM
I'm very curious about the keyboard instrument in 'California Girls'. Check out Wikipedia, there were a piano and a Hammond B-3 organ (keyboards) in the personnel list, but in my opinion, the timbre resembled neither one, how could a Hammond make the sound like that?

I owned Brian's M3 that he had given to Earle Mankey. It got that sound.
11  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Brian Wilson's In My Room live stream series post on: March 22, 2020, 04:06:19 PM
Brian’s lost a LOT of weight, and is not in his wheelchair.  3D

Never noticed this before, but he uses a lot of finger substitution in the left hand for Love and Mercy. In other words, he’ll put one finger on a note and switch to another finger before he releases the note, in order to make the downward scales easier and more comfortable to play. That’s a fairly advanced piano-playing technique.

Really? I do that myself, but since I'm a rudimentary piano player at best, I've always assumed that's a rooky thing to do! Good to know I'm more "pro" than I imagined!
Brian may have acquired that technique from playing the organ. Those are typical fingerings.
12  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Did SMiLE Have A Release Date? on: March 15, 2020, 03:18:55 PM
Hmmm ... I guess I'm not aware of set release dates. Obviously the radio advertisement said January of 1967, and when that date got missed I know there were projections for March ...

I thought that was an in-house pitch to Capitol's sales department about the label's upcoming releases.
When I worked at Capitol, there was always a pre-recorded message that was played at the monthly sales meeting.
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: R.I.P. McCoy Tyner on: March 07, 2020, 06:17:06 AM
I am a fan. He influenced my playing and the way I improvise.
Last April, we attended "McCoy Tyner and Charles McPherson at 80 at Lincoln Center." Mr McPherson did a set. McCoy was in attendance but was not able to play. I had seen him at a free concert at Castle Clinton. The seats weren't good and the sound was so-so, but at least I saw him live.
14  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: So what did we all do today? on: March 04, 2020, 11:27:50 AM
Recorded a song improvisation. Fretted. Walked a mile to retrieve some orders. Fb'd and twittered here 'n there, stopped in my three bb5 spots, had lunch. Still going.
15  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Soundalike song intros on: March 03, 2020, 09:39:06 AM
Brian got more than just the drum intro to BARNYARD from The Bell Notes -  I'VE HAD IT.
16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Announcing “Add Some Sunflower to your Day”: a production miniseries on: February 23, 2020, 05:22:24 PM
Shopping for appropriately pitched cowbells right now.

Would using a pitch shifted cowbell sample be cheating?

Of course, but I might settle for that anyway!
Is the effect your talking about the same one that was used on Do It Again's snare?
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Announcing “Add Some Sunflower to your Day”: a production miniseries on: February 23, 2020, 04:24:54 PM
Shopping for appropriately pitched cowbells right now.

Would using a pitch shifted cowbell sample be cheating?
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Feel Flows box set on: February 19, 2020, 09:26:50 AM
If "My Solution" were to be released, I'd prefer it to be in two versions; one with Brian's "narration" and one without. Well, having a third version with just the instrumental backing would be cool too.  Grin


There's an instrumental track from around the "Keepin' the summer alive"-sessions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G02sDTNUUpk 

The "My Solution" backing track does come from mid-1980, which would post-date the "Keepin' the Summer Alive" sessions, and would be part of the often-overlooked era that I find fascinating: The scattered, seemingly haphazard sessions that took place after KTSA and before BB '85. C-man posted a list of some of this material with recording dates a year or so ago:

early May 1980, WAVES mobile:
BE MY BABY
RIVER DEEP, MOUNTAIN HIGH
GREENBACK DOLLAR
WHY DON'T THEY LET US FALL IN LOVE
BUCKS (Mike original)
CHILDREN OF THE NIGHT (Mike original)
I'M A MAN (Brian original)

May 21, 1980, Western:
SONG WITHIN A SONG (aka remakes of SHORTENIN' BREAD and MY SOLUTION)

October 31, 1980, Western:
FLY

November 18, 1980, Western:
CANDLESTICKS
BOYS AND GIRLS (remake)
UP AGAIN

December 1980 - January 9 & 14, 1981, Sounds Good:
STEVIE (produced by Dennis and Garby Leon)

April 3, 1981, Gold Star:
untitled song

May 19, 1982, Western:
untitled song

May 27, 1982, Western:
WHY DON'T YOU TELL ME WHY

June 2, 1982, Western:
CRY LIKE A BABY
untitled song


Stevie continues to fascinate me.

Was it written/recorded before or after Denny and Christine broke up?
After. He and Christine worked at Tom Murphy's Track Record after this date. I produced an artist friend of mine at Track. On a shelf in the control room was one of their 2" master reels. My friend remembers the tape, too. The date on his tape box is March 28, 1982.
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: ATTENTION ALL VINYL LP COLLECTORS !! on: February 09, 2020, 06:56:57 AM
So I guess this the end of the vinyl revival?
It doesn't worry me; I have nearly everything I ever thought of as a MUST HAVE on vinyl. These days, I mostly buy 45's, random cheap albums at thrift stores; and cd's.
But this story, along with the revelation in the last year or so of the massive fire at ...help me...UMG?...that destroyed thousands of master tapes...yeah, we are finding out just how temporary our musical history is.
Will anyone still be listening to the Beach Boys in 2060? The Beatles? Elvis?

I feel bad for Numero Group, they just announced that they are getting out of the CD  business and will be releasing only vinyl.
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Sandbox thread for insignificant chit-chat on: February 08, 2020, 08:24:37 AM
It's French, meaning that I gave John the recommendation to give that album a listen.
C'est moi = it's me.

Was just thinking of you and was glad to see that you posted something.
Thanks to think of I. Appreciate. Hello
& thanks to answer.

It's fine to see people caring to show they speak lotsa different languages (can't say I envy it...Am fine with *just English*, says I proudly Cheesy RR takes easy path!) but if everybody speak English here anyway, think it's best to restrict it to English for easy communication around board, no?

No! Using a phrase that is commonly understood is fine. If a person does not understand it, let it go, or if you're curious, translate it. I have never had a problem understanding messages here or in other forums. I feel if someone is distressed by the use of foreign phrases, that person might be a tad on the defensive side or insecure. 

I speak only English. Well, let me qualify that. I am just about fluent in beginner level Spanish, a language that most people, when they see me or my surname, expect me to speak. It's taken a lifetime to get to the level that I am. For me, it's a bit shameful only being able to speak one language.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Important Info For Those Who Signed Petition at change.org on: February 07, 2020, 04:31:09 PM
I'm not going to bother.

MikeBruce aren't going to unplay the concert.

Dirty move, tho.
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: Sandbox thread for insignificant chit-chat on: February 07, 2020, 04:16:06 AM
Tell me Nola - what did you mean by weird "C'est moi" or whatever spelling in General Music thread? Speak English pls. police

C'est la vie. Eh Rover?

For your convenience: https://translate.google.com/#view=home&op=translate&sl=fr&tl=en

23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Please sign petition for Beach Boys to withdraw from performing on 2/5/20 on: February 04, 2020, 07:33:30 PM

PS - Mike Love is getting pummeled in the comments of the Rolling Stone FB story


Does Bruce feel left out? I wonder.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Best of 1968: White Album or Friends on: February 01, 2020, 07:27:48 AM
Hello! I need your help. I am writing a book about the best albums for each year in the LP era, 1952-1999. All the choices have been made, ten albums per year, highlighting the best one each year. But for 1968, I can't make up my mind whether it should be The Beatles (White Album) or Friends. I love both and think Friends is a near perfect album, unlike the sprawling mess that is the White Album. But Friends doesn't have a song quite like "While My Guitar Gently Weeps". Friends is laid back, more like easy listening. Flawed as it may be, White Album does have a few stand-outs, of which While My Guitar is absolutely top notch. Please help me decide.

Who's your publisher?
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Crippled Symmetry--The Music of Morton Feldman on: January 30, 2020, 04:44:32 PM
I have a few of his CDs in my stash. I've liked every thing I've heard. I don't know anything about him. I've sort of kept him at a distance. Not for lack of curiosity but for keeping him in mystery territory.

Really? In an ideal world, I'd ask you which ones but it isn't so I won't. Grin

Glad you like him anyway. I must check out some of his really long stuff sometime.

This is Madame Press Died Last Week At Ninety (sans background information, for your benefit):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rORvNjWchnw
I don't know where they are all, to be honest. I'm also a dealer and I have personal items among my unlisted stock in a storage room. I have three ripped to my computer, they are:   Rothko Chapel / Why Patterns?  & Rothko Chapel; For Stephan Wolpe; Christian Wolff In Cambridge on Hanssler &  Clarinet And String Quartet on hatArt.
That's a beautiful piece. Thanks for the link.
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