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1  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Beach Boys Orchestration Web Series on: November 11, 2019, 08:02:48 AM
Thanks!

And I also think that tuned percussion (and exotic percussion in general) is a great idea for a show.  No lack of interesting uses of Marimba, Vibes, Xylophone, Glock, etc.  

Not to mention temple blocks...which may not technically fall in the category of tuned percussion, however I think the argument can be made that in Brian's case, they do - along with the plastic orange juice cups - 'cause of they way he uses them (two tones, or more, in the case of "GOK").

It was the temple blocks in "IJWMFTT" that gave me the idea! I still swear the second note in that sequence is two played simultaneously...


OK, so let's talk "found percussion" since it's been brought up.

When we talk about orange juice containers on GOK, are we talking about cartons?  Believe it or not, I have researched how orange juice was sold over the decades, and it seems to me that commercially available potables were not sold in plastic containers before the early 70s.  Does this jibe with people's memories?

Along those lines, would the Sparklett's jug for Caroline No have indeed been glass?

Folks, this is what keeps me up nights.  And with your contributions, I might be able to track down some period appropriate orange juice containers, sparkletts jugs, and coke cans to use on an episode!!!


More found percussion if that's gonna be a topic: The clinking glasses in the Cabin Essence tag (Brian calls them the "little bell goodies"), obligatory celery, real bamboo and metallic wind chimes on Smiley's Wind Chimes. The use of a brake drum to get an anvil-like sound occasionally shows up on Smile material too, namely Fire, the H&V chorus, one of the H&V chants, and Vegetables. Plus my favourite - Carl briefly using some grass shears (!) in the Vegetables fade!


Frankie Capp's keys on Surf's Up.
Bicycle bell on You Still Believe In Be.
Hal's ashtrays on Barbara Ann. 

Hope these weren't previously mentioned...
2  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the Sloop John Billy Strange guitar gift story on: October 20, 2019, 05:25:52 PM
where is there a 12 string solo in that song?

In Sloop John B?  There isn't one, as such.

I believe it was the interlocking part to the arpeggio figure.


Well, I think the point is that that goes the whole song vs. Billy's recollection of it being 8-16 bars.

I believe he is talking about the musical figure he played throughout the song. That's how I interpret it.
3  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Revisiting the Sloop John Billy Strange guitar gift story on: October 20, 2019, 05:18:14 PM
where is there a 12 string solo in that song?

In Sloop John B?  There isn't one, as such.

I believe it was the interlocking part to the main guitar figure.
4  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: If you could go any Beach Boy concert in history on: October 17, 2019, 12:38:53 PM
I'm perfectly happy with having been at these shows: San Francisco - '71, Sacramento -'73 & '74, Oakland - '74 &  '76, NYC - '12.  
5  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: R.I.P. Ginger Baker on: October 06, 2019, 07:20:09 AM
Great musician! Sorry to see him pass. I was fortunate to have seen Cream in Sacramento in March of 1968. QDEP.
6  Smiley Smile Stuff / Ask The Honored Guests / Re: The Stephen Desper Thread on: October 04, 2019, 02:04:43 PM
Dear Stephen,

I'm trying to find out about some of the production tricks on Feel Flows, but couldn't find about it through the search engine. You might have talked about it at length in your wonderful study videos, but since those are no longer online I would like to ask you: could you tell me something about the way you achieved the different key sounds on Feel Flows?

With kind regards,

Yorick

smh
COMMENT to Yoick:

The techniques used in Feel Flows are too complex to reiterate here when they were covered in depth on the Study-Video part 2. I realize it is not up right now. However, look for a personal message from me and hopefully, I can answer your questions on the phone
. ~swd
7  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / The Sandbox / Re: What have you bought recently? on: September 26, 2019, 05:27:26 AM
This
8  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Aumm... on: September 23, 2019, 06:22:26 AM
On a closely related Sunflower vocal arrangement, for ADD SOME MUSIC, Brian made use of Roy Orbison's ONLY THE LONELY (dum dum dum dum bee doo..) and The Cadillac's SPEEDO (bop bop a diddle it).
9  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Listing Songs With Music Bits Of Different Songs on: September 21, 2019, 01:38:32 PM
In FOREVER, between verse 1 & 2, the the vocalists sing ("do do do do...") two full bars of SEPTEMBER IN THE RAIN.

Wow--they do, don't they... It's as clear as day now but you have to be aware of it! Good call, Steve. Wink

Maybe it's my imagination but the line first heard at 0:31 in CCS's cheeky "Tap Turns On The Water" never fails to remind me of The Jackson 5's "I Want You Back":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcfxvWa1FYA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_Consciousness_Society

It certainly does!
10  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Listing Songs With Music Bits Of Different Songs on: September 16, 2019, 12:47:44 PM
Here's one more Beach Boys-related example.

Frank Zappa quoted all sorts of stuff all over the place. In "Brown Shoes Don't Make It" he quotes (here at 4:53) the melody of the chorus of "Little Deuce Coupe", plus (if I'm not mistaken) the guitar riff from "Help Me, Rhonda" in the bass voice (presumably FZ himself):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLWD75KKGA

That riff (melodic fragment) is originally from the first eight or so notes from GET A JOB.
11  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Listing Songs With Music Bits Of Different Songs on: September 16, 2019, 12:44:28 PM
In FOREVER, between verse 1 & 2, the the vocalists sing ("do do do do...") two full bars of SEPTEMBER IN THE RAIN.
12  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: RIP Ric Ocasek on: September 16, 2019, 05:41:13 AM
Oh, man. Sad I loved his music. He was a big influence on my writing during a certain era when my band was playing the LA clubs ('79-81). Such great, huge, deliberate hooks!
13  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Blues through Rhythm and Blues to Soul on: September 11, 2019, 06:20:41 AM



I thought I was the only one who preferred older blues music to not sound perfect.


No, no! I love that. I can't stand that clean sound on modern blues (or what I think it is). Nothing better than Sam Phillips' much-too-loud-recorded blues records. The old records with all their noises have great atmosphere.
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The blues I can't go for is the kind made by older white guys with ponytails. I prefer blues from the 20's thru the '50s and select stuff from the 60s.
14  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pre-BBs history of Brother Studios Santa Monica location on: September 10, 2019, 06:08:22 AM
Those rates seem rather expensive for what is the late 70s/early 80s.

Those book rates were in line with what other respected Hollywood studios were charging. They were not there for demo projects or spec deals; they were seeking projects with major label budgets. I would think that their block rates were fair - and negotiable.

Brother Studios was also there for the band, well, the Wilsons. They had a 'home studio' again.

15  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pre-BBs history of Brother Studios Santa Monica location on: September 09, 2019, 05:06:05 PM


That is SO cool. Fascinating on many levels. Was this a rate card you acquired there in person?

A few notes:

- Did those rates include an engineer? Was there a house engineer(s), and if so, who?
- How many people had keys to the place?
- Gotta love the days before area codes were obligatorily listed in phone numbers.
- Sundays are only a $5 surcharge over Saturdays! Gotta pay just a lil extra to drag the engineer away from that Sweet Sunday Kinda Love at home, I suppose  LOL

I can answer one or two of these questions. I posted a pic of my copy, in recent months on another board.

Yes, rates included an engineer. The primary engineers that were there in '77 were Earle Mankey, Tom Murphy, and John Hanlon
As for keys, Earle had them and it's likely Tom did, too. Can't say who else.

I acquired mine on the day I had a tiny l tape transfer job done there (Earle was the engineer). I still have the Brother Studios receipt. I'll post it if I find it.


16  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pre-BBs history of Brother Studios Santa Monica location on: September 08, 2019, 08:18:50 AM
Two things I can confirm. Kim Fowley definitely had a Rolls Royce. He had a driver. He came to my apartment in Century City in 1979 to inquire about my band The Point after he'd heard our demo tape. Came in a Rolls. He also produced Helen Reddy sessions at Brother and told me Dennis treated him wonderfully during that time.


I had been to Brother a few times starting in late '77. Soon after your run in with Kim he sought out my project, By that time his lifestyle was back to down and dirty. He lived off Hayworth, north of Sunset, in a regular 2 bedroom apt. He had no car.  Jo Jo Clark, a wanna be John Fogerty/Tony Joe White,  was his driver.
Kim was not good with money. At all. Ralph Peer II bailed him out regularly. I did, too, once, a few years later, by offering him my barren laundry room to stay in.  At the time you met him, he may have been riding high on Kiss money. The Helen Reddy advance wasn't too shabby, either.

The other project Kim & Earle did at Brother was The Quick (Great Buildings, Danny Wilde, The Rembrandts), for Mercury.

Kim told me Bruce stories. He also had stuff to say about Murry and Van Dyke Parks. None of it bad, really, it's just he had certain peculiar attitudes about people in his past.
17  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Pre-BBs history of Brother Studios Santa Monica location on: September 07, 2019, 01:55:29 PM

Wait, I think I saw a Rolls once right in front in the late afternoon. It may have been Kim Fowley's - memory fails.


If it was a convertible, it probably belonged to Dennis. He owned a Rolls/Bentley type car during that period. Dennis took someone I know to buy hot dogs at a corner spot on Pico (?) in WLA during a recording session break.
Kim Fowley never drove and never had a drivers license. I don't think he ever owned a car. He told me his inability to get a license had something to do with him having had polio.
Brother had a small parking lot in the back.
18  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg on: August 19, 2019, 04:31:43 PM

Knowing Brian, and how crazy things were in that era, Goldberg's song and vocal ending up on "So Tough" isn't like a 100% impossibility in my mind. 

True. Brian's tag fade to OITC did make it onto So Tough. The melody was repurposed for He Come Down (the"I believe it" phrase).
19  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: An Autobiography by Don Goldberg on: August 19, 2019, 07:10:11 AM
Evidently, he was quite the wunderkind, ""at fourteen years old I discovered Chuck Berry."
20  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Country Music on: August 18, 2019, 05:00:23 PM
Wow! That Bakersfield set looks fantastic. Bear, you've done it again!

Growing up in Northern California, I heard a lot of Country on KRAK and quite a bit of the crossover stuff on KROY and KXOA. My mom loved Western Swing - maybe that's why she bought my first two guitars from Tiny Moore. I didn't realize how much Western music I had heard and absorbed while growing up until many years down the road.

Funny connection: my boss at Capitol Records was the son of Buck Owens' manager, Jack McFadden.
21  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: When Girls Get Together (Advert) on: August 15, 2019, 05:33:45 AM
CRY - Godley & Creme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5BKfbqoEPs
22  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: What Is Your Favorite Soundtrack? on: July 30, 2019, 05:16:26 PM
Giu La Testa (Duck, Your Sucker)  - Ennio Morricone
23  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Terry Melcher on: July 24, 2019, 05:08:20 AM
Bruce and Terry also did work for Bobby Darin (Trinity Music / TMI).

Bruce's first single came out in 1959, on Arwin, the label that Terry's mom and dad owned. Interestingly, Kim Fowley worked for Arwin and brought his high school buddy, Bruce, to the attention of Doris.
24  Smiley Smile Stuff / General On Topic Discussions / Re: Honkin' Down the Highway Single/LOVE YOU Marketing on: July 17, 2019, 11:42:00 AM
In a perfect world, Brian would revisit the master tapes, cut new Pet Sounds-esque instrumentals for this album as part of a major boxset release (keeping the original vocals of course, and elements of the original synths). Of course this will never happen...

That is a nightmare scenario.
25  Non Smiley Smile Stuff / General Music Discussion / Re: Saddest songs on: July 17, 2019, 07:29:24 AM

Steve, no offence meant but I've linked the track for anyone curious to hear it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HElU_-hb7Cc

Oops. Thanks. Tongue
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